i would actually be amazed if asus eepcs with preloaded linux had driver problems, they most probably did not. what i mean is that there could have been some other problem besides microsoft monoply.
Right... so how do you propose remoting wirelessly into a box 1200km away using hf data communications where you can only get 1200 BAUD and get the crazy likely minutes per frame lag of using vlc or the like?
It's not something a typical end-user would do, but it's a prime example how on linux, you can do anything you want, if you know how to
see that? a person who needs to do that sort of thing is in a very tiny minority. especially in the netbook market. so let me correct myself: gui is very important thing in software, but even more important for netbooks.
wait wait wait.... you are proposing that there were no external forces here? so you don't consider the fact that almost everyone knows how yo use windows and very few know how to use linux an external force? come on. A completely level playing field would have someone who has never use both of them decide, which frankly, won't happen, and we don't expect it to but saying it is level is a bit of a farce.
The odds were against, lucky to have gotten as much share as it had considering most places stopped stocking linux versions and those of us who wanted had to buy windows.
the playing fields were level. the ordinary user had a differentiation in his mind between a regular full featured pc and a netbook. he knew that his new netbook was supposed to do only a few things like browsing, music, etc. these things are basically identical in both linux and windows, once you are in a browser (firefox), there is no difference between linux and windows. when you double click on an mp3, you hear your music, both in windows and linux. ditto for video. is this not level? if linux was unable to hold its ground at these basic things, it means the os intruded on user experience. it must have frozen or acted wierdly. on the inferiority comment, i was trying to point out that instead of finding any faults in linux, we immediately jump on to the blame microsoft bandwagon. other possibilities like inferiority (in some areas) must be considered before delivering a verdict. also, i said the stability thing to show that no os is inherently, absolutely superior than others. you can find a stable platform for linux, i can find one for windows, someone else can find one where both run well. so again, windows isn't inherently bad, we should consider the possibility that it was better than linux in specific things netbooks required.
that is exactly my point. i too spend half a day setting up (k)ubuntu, and i like it because it works better for me. but usually, people have a very specific goal in mind when they get a computer, they expect it to work well for usual tasks from the start. they don't want to spend any more than five minutes in setting up.
So in short, Linux is better than windows, but you will have tinker a lot with it.
that is a contradiction. if you have to tinker with linux to make it better than windows, its not better. also, i've noticed that ubuntu 8.10 runs faster on my laptop than xp. this is the first time i've seen someone complain about linux's speed.
Linux can't win on the desktop until it starts realizing that there's more to Microsoft's monopoly than Evil Tactics.
that is the biggest hurdle in linux's way. people who think linux is great do not realize that maybe, just maybe, their os is inferior. i work on linux too, but lately i've realized that windows is much more stable*, has a much more consistent ui. also, linux has been avoiding/postponing the inevitable transition to complete gui. microsoft have already implemented it. linux geeks keep rambling about the power of cli and that gui is overrated, but the fact is, gui is the most important thing in software. users have other things to do than learn to use a computer. they want a button which clearly states its purpose, not a bunch of (almost comically) cryptic commands. we recently saw how this approach of blaming others for your problems kicks you back. netbooks were a playing field where both windows and linux had to compete from start, without any external forces. inspite of an early start, linux has now failed. so, instead of accepting its inferiority, linux proponents blame microsoft for a monopoly that was created due to linux's apathy towards end users.
* vista has never hung up on me. individual apps have but their processes can be easily killed. ubuntu 8.04 (lts?), with its default settings freezes up atleast once a month when changing virtual desktops. and since compiz has crashed, and your mouse pointer is frozen, the keyboard is not recognizing shortcuts, the only way is to pull the plug.
actually, in our capitalist or whatever economies, where demand drives supply, we consumers have a very strong power. but most of us choose to give in to the easy way. the proper way to protest against any conditions that you do not agree with is to not buy the music. i think that if every downloader stops downloading and stops buying content which seems to be overpriced/over-drmed, the industry would be decreasing prices/doing everything to please the customer. but no, these days, most people's mentality is: since i bought one overpriced blu-ray, i can surely download another two for free? however this is not correct. the correct and much more effective method is to stop buying things at a price which you do not like. i guess it won't take anything over 3 months for the riaa execs to realize their mistake of screwing too hard with their customers.
i just updated my kubuntu 8.10 to 9.04 beta. lots of wierdness. some settings preserved, others discarded. my custom theme reduced to just a color variation. firefox installation corrupted. don't get me wrong, they said it would happen due to beta. and i did not complain. i haven't used win 7, but if ms says that updating a beta os to rc will involve wierdness, maybe it shouldn't be such a big deal?
Do not use TOR in that manner. The designers have said that it was never intended to handle P2P traffic, and some exit nodes even go far enough to try to filter the traffic out to prevent this kind of abuse.
no! absolutely not! stealing is my birthright! how dare do artists try to demand payment for their work? their business model is outdated. yes, they should understand that if committing a crime becomes easy and commonplace, it ceases to be a crime. when will the suckers learn??!
why? also, utorrent is the way to go. it has most of the features of azureus/vuze and is about 40 times smaller than azureus/vuze. its sad when people support open source without considering quality. its very important that we focus on efficiency and quality of open code. you should always encourage adoption of code which is better, regardless of whether it is open source, or it runs only on windows or not. the first step for vuze developers would be to accept that utorrent is not "some closed source Windows piece of crap", quoting you. in fact it quite well maybe the other way round. they should take a hard look at their code and figure out where exactly they went wrong. remember that close-minded comments like yours inhibit wide-spread adoption of linux, despite it being much better in some ways than windows. people like you are convinced that any code, if open source is better than any other closed source code. which is plainly wrong. i'm sorry for reducing my comment to a rant against mindless open source zealots.
Along with even more extreme power saving measures that are present in normal chips, like underclocking when demand isn't high.
but i thought every laptop with win xp or later could lower the clock speed according to load? maybe its not the same as underclocking, but it does the same thing.
it is a exactly like tethering except that a single 3g phone connection can be shared across many wifi laptops or phones. i use it mainly for reliable tethering, bluetooth is slow/buggy and i don't want to carry the usb cable.
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i would actually be amazed if asus eepcs with preloaded linux had driver problems, they most probably did not.
what i mean is that there could have been some other problem besides microsoft monoply.
Right... so how do you propose remoting wirelessly into a box 1200km away using hf data communications where you can only get 1200 BAUD and get the crazy likely minutes per frame lag of using vlc or the like?
It's not something a typical end-user would do, but it's a prime example how on linux, you can do anything you want, if you know how to
see that? a person who needs to do that sort of thing is in a very tiny minority. especially in the netbook market. so let me correct myself:
gui is very important thing in software, but even more important for netbooks.
wait wait wait.... you are proposing that there were no external forces here? so you don't consider the fact that almost everyone knows how yo use windows and very few know how to use linux an external force? come on. A completely level playing field would have someone who has never use both of them decide, which frankly, won't happen, and we don't expect it to but saying it is level is a bit of a farce. The odds were against, lucky to have gotten as much share as it had considering most places stopped stocking linux versions and those of us who wanted had to buy windows.
the playing fields were level. the ordinary user had a differentiation in his mind between a regular full featured pc and a netbook. he knew that his new netbook was supposed to do only a few things like browsing, music, etc. these things are basically identical in both linux and windows, once you are in a browser (firefox), there is no difference between linux and windows. when you double click on an mp3, you hear your music, both in windows and linux. ditto for video.
is this not level? if linux was unable to hold its ground at these basic things, it means the os intruded on user experience. it must have frozen or acted wierdly.
on the inferiority comment, i was trying to point out that instead of finding any faults in linux, we immediately jump on to the blame microsoft bandwagon. other possibilities like inferiority (in some areas) must be considered before delivering a verdict.
also, i said the stability thing to show that no os is inherently, absolutely superior than others. you can find a stable platform for linux, i can find one for windows, someone else can find one where both run well. so again, windows isn't inherently bad, we should consider the possibility that it was better than linux in specific things netbooks required.
that is exactly my point. i too spend half a day setting up (k)ubuntu, and i like it because it works better for me. but usually, people have a very specific goal in mind when they get a computer, they expect it to work well for usual tasks from the start. they don't want to spend any more than five minutes in setting up.
So in short, Linux is better than windows, but you will have tinker a lot with it.
that is a contradiction. if you have to tinker with linux to make it better than windows, its not better.
also, i've noticed that ubuntu 8.10 runs faster on my laptop than xp. this is the first time i've seen someone complain about linux's speed.
no.
Linux can't win on the desktop until it starts realizing that there's more to Microsoft's monopoly than Evil Tactics.
that is the biggest hurdle in linux's way. people who think linux is great do not realize that maybe, just maybe, their os is inferior.
i work on linux too, but lately i've realized that windows is much more stable*, has a much more consistent ui. also, linux has been avoiding/postponing the inevitable transition to complete gui. microsoft have already implemented it. linux geeks keep rambling about the power of cli and that gui is overrated, but the fact is, gui is the most important thing in software.
users have other things to do than learn to use a computer. they want a button which clearly states its purpose, not a bunch of (almost comically) cryptic commands.
we recently saw how this approach of blaming others for your problems kicks you back. netbooks were a playing field where both windows and linux had to compete from start, without any external forces. inspite of an early start, linux has now failed. so, instead of accepting its inferiority, linux proponents blame microsoft for a monopoly that was created due to linux's apathy towards end users.
* vista has never hung up on me. individual apps have but their processes can be easily killed. ubuntu 8.04 (lts?), with its default settings freezes up atleast once a month when changing virtual desktops. and since compiz has crashed, and your mouse pointer is frozen, the keyboard is not recognizing shortcuts, the only way is to pull the plug.
*nix people had been making these surface devices for years before Microsoft even started development on them.
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actually, in our capitalist or whatever economies, where demand drives supply, we consumers have a very strong power. but most of us choose to give in to the easy way. the proper way to protest against any conditions that you do not agree with is to not buy the music. i think that if every downloader stops downloading and stops buying content which seems to be overpriced/over-drmed, the industry would be decreasing prices/doing everything to please the customer.
but no, these days, most people's mentality is:
since i bought one overpriced blu-ray, i can surely download another two for free? however this is not correct. the correct and much more effective method is to stop buying things at a price which you do not like. i guess it won't take anything over 3 months for the riaa execs to realize their mistake of screwing too hard with their customers.
i just updated my kubuntu 8.10 to 9.04 beta.
lots of wierdness. some settings preserved, others discarded. my custom theme reduced to just a color variation. firefox installation corrupted.
don't get me wrong, they said it would happen due to beta. and i did not complain.
i haven't used win 7, but if ms says that updating a beta os to rc will involve wierdness, maybe it shouldn't be such a big deal?
because i won't be able to get the unreleased wolvy movie using ssh, that's why!!
Do not use TOR in that manner. The designers have said that it was never intended to handle P2P traffic, and some exit nodes even go far enough to try to filter the traffic out to prevent this kind of abuse.
what harm does tor do when used with bittorrent?
no! absolutely not!
stealing is my birthright! how dare do artists try to demand payment for their work? their business model is outdated. yes, they should understand that if committing a crime becomes easy and commonplace, it ceases to be a crime.
when will the suckers learn??!
what is your point?
is it that developers are lazy?
or that c is fast?
aww, i should have really listened to my teacher's "don't ever cite wikipedia!".
that's a pretty good analogy, but a car analogy would have been much better.
I refuse to call it Vuze
why?
also, utorrent is the way to go. it has most of the features of azureus/vuze and is about 40 times smaller than azureus/vuze. its sad when people support open source without considering quality. its very important that we focus on efficiency and quality of open code. you should always encourage adoption of code which is better, regardless of whether it is open source, or it runs only on windows or not.
the first step for vuze developers would be to accept that utorrent is not "some closed source Windows piece of crap", quoting you. in fact it quite well maybe the other way round. they should take a hard look at their code and figure out where exactly they went wrong.
remember that close-minded comments like yours inhibit wide-spread adoption of linux, despite it being much better in some ways than windows. people like you are convinced that any code, if open source is better than any other closed source code. which is plainly wrong.
i'm sorry for reducing my comment to a rant against mindless open source zealots.
no. look at wikipedia's page. your link is the only page that says oo is written in cpp.
While I know some stunning things done in java, the four most bloated applications I know are also written in java.
two of them being vuze and openoffice, i presume?
i see a lot of ads on /.
this is the most insightful comment in the whole thread.
Along with even more extreme power saving measures that are present in normal chips, like underclocking when demand isn't high.
but i thought every laptop with win xp or later could lower the clock speed according to load? maybe its not the same as underclocking, but it does the same thing.
you're right, its just my bad habit of nitpicking. but "wireless provider" is just too vague for me. it turns your 3g phone into a wifi router.
it is a exactly like tethering except that a single 3g phone connection can be shared across many wifi laptops or phones.
i use it mainly for reliable tethering, bluetooth is slow/buggy and i don't want to carry the usb cable.
It's JoikuSpot, very interesting software that makes your 3G cell phone into a WLAN access point. JaikuSpot seems to be some kind of Twitter.
-1 insightful???