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Ad Block Plus Filter Maintainer "rick752" Dies At 56

A user on Reddit pointed out that Richard "rick752" Petnel, maintainer of one of the most popular filter lists for Ad Block Plus, has passed away at age 56. In an article last year Petnel described a bit of what he was up against in the ad world. "'I'm playing against some pretty big players,' he said, explaining his reluctance to step forward. 'I don't want to be harassed. . . . I don't want to be bribed. I started it because I was frustrated with getting my computer infected from ads -- malware and spyware and all that stuff,' he said. 'I kind of went overboard with it. But you have to admit, it's pretty amazing, right?'" Update 15:05 GMT by SM: updated to reflect Rick's status as maintainer of the most popular Ad Block Plus filter as opposed to Ad Block Plus itself.

385 comments

  1. erm? by jaggeh · · Score: 4, Informative

    does this mean no new updates?

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    I would give everything i own for a little bit more.
    1. Re:erm? by twotailakitsune · · Score: 2, Insightful

      how is this a troll?

    2. Re:erm? by Z00L00K · · Score: 5, Informative

      As it turns out - he was a filter maintainer, one of the first, but AdBlock Plus is likely to remain.

      AdBlock Plus is one of the best add-ons that has been created for web browsers ever.

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      If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker would destroy civilization.
    3. Re:erm? by InsertWittyNameHere · · Score: 0

      Not to worry, Adblock is FOSS, someone will step up and take reigns.

    4. Re:erm? by mzs · · Score: 5, Informative

      From http://adblockplus.org/blog/sad-news

      "With his work, Rick helped improve the browsing experience for millions of people. And while he will be deeply missed, he built up a strong community that will be able to continue what he started. There are several strong candidates and I expect to announce Rick's successor as EasyList maintainer in the next few days."

      So essentially not too much to worry about, but yes that was indeed trollish to care more about yourself rather that the family and friends and publicly ask that question.

    5. Re:erm? by 0racle · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No it's not trollish. Most people have never met the guy. When a loss occurs you react in a way in line with how they impacted you. For the majority of people here, that was by creating and maintaining Ad Block Plus. Yes it's sad for his family and friends, but the primary concern for the users is what happens to the project.

      On top of that he asked on a tech site where someone might know, he didn't go up to the guys widow (or mother or whatever) and ask what's going to happen with the project.

      --
      "I use a Mac because I'm just better than you are."
    6. Re:erm? by Sir_Dill · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Insensitive, Yes.

      Trollish, No.

      The poster brings up a very poignant and VERY on-topic question even if it was tactless. Not all of us have social skills.

      If the poster had posted anon THEN I would consider it a troll.

    7. Re:erm? by philpalm · · Score: 1

      How the h does slashdot maintain its servers. Are there ads here or does the FBI monitor this site and support slashdot? No wonder there are no ads here.

    8. Re:erm? by MyLongNickName · · Score: 5, Insightful

      how is this a troll?

      Because there is no "-1 Classless" mod?

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    9. Re:erm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes that was indeed trollish to care more about yourself rather that the family and friends and publicly ask that question.

      It seems pretty logical to me to care more about myself then the family of some guy who made a tool I happen to use.

      And the question was perfectly valid. Tools can be maintained by single persons or entire communities, how are we expected to know which it is?

    10. Re:erm? by DooDeeDooWaffles · · Score: 1, Funny

      I'm sorry, but this is one of the most disgusting comments I've ever read on Slashdot. It's not funny, it's not clever and it's not in good taste. Have a bit more respect for a bloke who did all us net users a service eh?

    11. Re:erm? by brian0918 · · Score: 1

      It seems pretty logical to me to care more about myself then the family of some guy who made a tool I happen to use.

      That is correct. It is called rational self-interest or egoism, and is opposed to the more common morality of altruism, which is irrational.

    12. Re:erm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      That's not trollish. This is.

      This funeral brought to you by febreze. Kills odors quick.

    13. Re:erm? by NetRAVEN5000 · · Score: 1

      I'd doubt it. AdBlock Plus is well-known and used enough that it'll get picked up.

    14. Re:erm? by perryizgr8 · · Score: 1

      i see a lot of ads on /.

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      Wealth is the gift that keeps on giving.
    15. Re:erm? by brian0918 · · Score: 1

      that was indeed trollish to care more about yourself rather that the family and friends and publicly ask that question.

      No it was not. While there is nothing wrong with mourning someone you care about, there is no requirement by anyone else to care, and people should not shy away from that fact, as you would guilt them into doing. There should be no guilt in such a statement. You should ditch your altruistic tendencies in favor of some rational self-interest.

    16. Re:erm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And yet, I respect the altruist far more than I respect the egotist.

    17. Re:erm? by spookymonster · · Score: 1

      So what is the current acceptable mourning period before asking about continued support? I'll need to update my records in case something happens to Torvald. /sarcasm

      Geez... IMHO, the OP was asking a perfectly valid question... it's not like he was asking for the widow's phone number...

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      - Despite popular opinion, I am not perfect.
    18. Re:erm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      It was the maintainer of EasyList advertiser list who died, not the author of AdBlock Plus.

      EasyList can be used with AdBlock Plus, along with other such lists.

    19. Re:erm? by Kaboom13 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Seriously, who cares about "social skills" on an online forum for geeks? It's not like his family are going to read it. There's nothing insensitive about it, because the only people who will be offended will be people who didn't even know the guy having mock outrage on his behalf. I'm sorry if I don't want to cater to their imaginary grief.

      If Linus died, I would say that sucks, who is going to be the face of the Linux kernel now? I don't know him, a handful of people on here have probably interacted with him on a professional level, but I doubt there are any that would really be effected on a personal level. I'm sure there would be tons eager to proclaim "how dare you talk about the kernel at a time like this" etc. ad nasuem. Fuck that. They don't actually give a crap about the guy who died, in fact they are probably thinking the same question. They have just seized an opportunity to be the high and mighty self-appointed moral police, and to that I say Fuck you. I'd take a troll over you anyday.

    20. Re:erm? by kestasjk · · Score: 1

      Well how would you frame the question? Because it's the question we all want to know about while also expressing our sympathies. (Just like Jobs and Apple)

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    21. Re:erm? by MightyYar · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So essentially not too much to worry about, but yes that was indeed trollish to care more about yourself rather that the family and friends and publicly ask that question.

      I disagree. When someone ties up I-95 with a big deadly car crash, I want to know when they'll re-open I-95, not how everyone is feeling.

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    22. Re:erm? by Real1tyCzech · · Score: 1

      That service is exactly what he was concerned about.

      If this offends you, too bad. We don't know the guy, we don't know his friends or family. While one would expect them to experience grief and deal accordingly, complete strangers are not subject to such a response, and should *not* be expected to *pretend* to be so in order to appease your overblown sense of moral empathy.

      Which is worse; pandering mock sympathy for someone we know nothing about, or an honest concern for the work and its future that this individual inspired?

      Think about it for more than 2 seconds...

    23. Re:erm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What does posting anonymous have to do with anything? If something's a Troll, then it's a Troll; doesn't matter if it was posted anonymously or not. I personally don't feel like the question was a Troll, but maybe some people do; not being posted anonymously had no bearing whatsoever on my judgment, nor should it have.

    24. Re:erm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed. I just don't understand people who think we should personally care about some random person we've never had anything to do with and know next to nothing about.

      I don't care if his family recovers and lives a happy life or if they are depressed and kill themselves. I don't care if they get a million dollar and are well off or his death sends them to the poor house. I don't care if his death is a blessing for the neighbor that hated him or a curse for some person who's life depended on him. I don't wish him or his family good or bad...I simply don't care.

    25. Re:erm? by MrHanky · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm not sure it's so goddamn classless. It shows that someone who didn't know the anonymous guy or anything about him still cares about his work. It might be "insensitive" in some situations, but right here and now it's also a display of appreciation. This is Slashdot, not a funeral.

    26. Re:erm? by Ephemeriis · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If Linus died, I would say that sucks, who is going to be the face of the Linux kernel now? I don't know him, a handful of people on here have probably interacted with him on a professional level, but I doubt there are any that would really be effected on a personal level. I'm sure there would be tons eager to proclaim "how dare you talk about the kernel at a time like this" etc. ad nasuem. Fuck that. They don't actually give a crap about the guy who died, in fact they are probably thinking the same question. They have just seized an opportunity to be the high and mighty self-appointed moral police, and to that I say Fuck you. I'd take a troll over you anyday.

      Agreed.

      Yeah, it sucks that Rick died... I'm sure he was loved and his friends and family are in mourning... And I guess I'd rather he hadn't died... But, really, I don't know the guy. Didn't even know his name until this story showed up. I'm supposed to act heartbroken and sympathetic and stuff? Over some guy I never even knew?

      People die literally every second of every day. Turn on CNN and you'll see dozens of stories about shootings and disasters and accidents... Am I supposed to just sit around in a permanent state of mourning for all the people who are dying?

      A week or two back when Natasha Richardson died in that ski accident they had people calling in, weeping over their loss... Except that they didn't know Natasha. They weren't her friends or family. They were just random people who happened to see her in a movie, or hear her give an interview, or see her at a gathering... They had no real emotional connection to her. Whatever relationship they had, whatever person they thought she was - that was a creation of their own mind, not reality. And they were weeping as if their best friend had just died.

      Yes, it sucks that this person is gone. It sucks when most people die. But I didn't know them. I didn't know their friends or their family. I've got absolutely no ties to them at all. The only connection I have to this Rick guy is the fact that I use his filter... So, yeah, I'm concerned about the filter living on.

      --
      "Work is the curse of the drinking classes." -Oscar Wilde
    27. Re:erm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Of course. Because FOSS is like the free market - it always regulates and maintains itself fairly and efficiently, and is always the solution to every problem.

    28. Re:erm? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      So essentially not too much to worry about, but yes that was indeed trollish to care more about yourself rather that the family and friends and publicly ask that question.

      Every turkey dies, children. Not every turkey really lives.

      The man is dead. It's over. It would be gauche to express your relief, but asking what comes next is entirely relevant.

      If we could bring him back by being nice, you might have a point.

      Finally, you seem to not understand what the word Troll means - it has a specific fucking meaning which you clearly do not understand. Trolling is named after the activity in fishing, and it involves saying something you don't believe in order to get a specific, desired response. If you're just being an asshole and don't care if you piss people off, or are being an asshole specifically to piss people off, it's not a troll. If anything, the comment was a bit flamebait-ish, but it wasn't that either.

      You are entitled to believe human life is sacred, but your irrational beliefs should not be used as a standard for my behavior.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    29. Re:erm? by eln · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm sorry, but this is one of the most disgusting comments I've ever read on Slashdot. It's not funny, it's not clever and it's not in good taste.

      Have a bit more respect for a bloke who did all us net users a service eh?

      Really? One of the most disgusting? I've seen things on this site that would make your eyes bleed, and you think a guy asking about AdBlock is disgusting? Get a grip, man. Either you browse at +4, you just joined 10 seconds ago, or you've recently suffered a major head injury and are suffering from amnesia. Either way, I wish you the best in your recovery.

      Also, I find the people faking moral outrage or deep sorrow over the death of someone they didn't know to be more disgusting than the OP. At least the OP is being honest with himself.

    30. Re:erm? by jaimegarcia · · Score: 0

      NONE of us have social skills.

      There, I fixed it for you...

    31. Re:erm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, look, man, you have a big advantage in being telepathic and knowing what other people actually think and feel. The rest of us have to deal with being part of the human race.

    32. Re:erm? by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 1

      That's just your over inflated ego talking.

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      "But this one goes to 11!"
    33. Re:erm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is correct. It is called rational self-interest or egoism, and is opposed to the more common morality of altruism, which is irrational.

      I don't know about the validity of your contrast. There are some very rational arguements can be made why it is usually in an individual's self-interest to live in an altruistic society. Just look at disasters like flooding, where a community gathers together to save the majority of a town, instead of everyone just protecting their own property.

    34. Re:erm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Notable recent copy-and-paste trolls on slashdot:
      Care and feeding of your negro
      How to insert greased yoda dolls
      Linus Torvalds and the Coprophiliac, a 5-part series

      All of those are quite a bit more disgusting than some guy wondering if a service will still have updates. Not that they bother me, I'm actually quite fond of the shit-eating tales.

    35. Re:erm? by IGnatius+T+Foobar · · Score: 2, Funny

      If Linus died, I would say that sucks, who is going to be the face of the Linux kernel now?

      It would have to be someone who is as effective at Linus at managing DEVELOPERS! DEVELOPERS! DEVELOPERS!!!

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    36. Re:erm? by plague3106 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's interesting the socially correct thing to do is pretend you care about someone whose name you may not even have heard before and to offer insincere condolences. Personally I wouldn't want to be hearing from a bunch of strangers if I lost someone again.

    37. Re:erm? by plague3106 · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the honesty. Its refreshing. I'm tired of people pretending to care about someone they never met, never talked to, and in this case, never even knew what he looked like.

    38. Re:erm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      You really should have ended with:

      You sensitive clod!

    39. Re:erm? by mattwarden · · Score: 2, Insightful

      yes that was indeed trollish to care more about yourself rather that the family and friends and publicly ask that question.

      Uh, what? How about you answer me why this is news. Is it because this random guy died and his family is sad? No. Plenty of other people died in the last couple of days, too. It's news because it affects you.

      The real reason parent got modded troll is that he didn't act like he was more concerned for the family, which is what social norms say we're supposed to do. But the point is: it's fake.

    40. Re:erm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      does the FBI monitor this site and support slashdot?

      No, we don't support your slashdot, phil. And, we know what you did last summer. Expect a visit soon.....

      Robert Mueller

    41. Re:erm? by brian0918 · · Score: 1

      Just look at disasters like flooding, where a community gathers together to save the majority of a town, instead of everyone just protecting their own property.

      That's not necessarily altruism. You're part of the town. It would be like saying that health insurance is altruistic because you're paying money to a company that gives that money out to someone else who's sick. Altruism (Latin for "other-ism") is sacrificial in that you are sacrificing a higher value for a lesser value or a non-value. So it would be altruistic if you lived in another state and had no connection to the community, and decided to quit your job and sell all your property in order to help them out - putting yourself in poverty to support strangers.

    42. Re:erm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rick753?

    43. Re:erm? by jonaskoelker · · Score: 1

      AdBlock Plus is one of the best add-ons that has been created for web browsers ever.

      And it's how I sold my anti-advertisement mom on Firefox :)

      Here's a (tran)script for you:

      [me doing other things to her computer for her] "By the way, I can install firefox and set it up so you'll see fewer ads on the internet; do you want me to do that?"

      [her] "Yes"

      For all you family sysadmins out there, this might be a good hook to sell your parents on firefox. The trick is to tell them why the deal is good for them, not why it's good for you.

    44. Re:erm? by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1

      That's easy enough. Just advertise for a cat herder.

    45. Re:erm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rick753 will cover for him.

    46. Re:erm? by arth1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And, assholishic comments aside, no one was asking anyone to mourn his loss. However, expressing sympathies when something like this happens is considered the socially correct thing to do, not kvetch about the product he is working on.

      There are plenty of blogging sites dedicated to doing the socially correct things. Slashdot isn't famous for being one of them.

      So what if it's insensitive? It's a valid nerd question, and one that I'm quite certain that quite a few readers here asked themselves before thinking about his family and friends. Everybody who used Easylist, I would think.

    47. Re:erm? by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      Etiquette should always be a primary concern.

    48. Re:erm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amen brother...

    49. Re:erm? by StikyPad · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not all the people, but maybe some of the people who did a significant amount of work to make your life better with no expectation of compensation. I mean, if open source is going to try to make any legitimate claims to an ethos, then those claims should be backed up with at least a bit of humanity. Not bothering to tip your hat at the death of someone who helped you out personally, regardless of whether there was a personal relationship, is in poor taste, to say the least.

      Now I'm not saying that YOU are the embodiment of OSS, or that WE should have some sort of wake or something (although any excuse to party is a good excuse). What I am saying is that people who create and contribute to OSS are acting in a manner that benefits society as much as, if not more than, the individual. That in and of itself deserves some recognition, at the very least when the contributor passes away. And if his work impacted you directly (as I'm sure it did for most Slashdotters), then the fact that you *didn't* know his name is, quite frankly, irrelevant to the fact that you do now, and you had a chance to at least express some gratitude, but instead created a rationale for why you can't be arsed.

    50. Re:erm? by Ephemeriis · · Score: 1

      And if his work impacted you directly (as I'm sure it did for most Slashdotters), then the fact that you *didn't* know his name is, quite frankly, irrelevant to the fact that you do now, and you had a chance to at least express some gratitude, but instead created a rationale for why you can't be arsed.

      My post had nothing to do with expressing gratitude or not. It was a response to the folks who thought it was insensitive or trollish to ask if there would be updates to the filter list.

      Sure, I'm grateful for the list Rick built. I'm glad it made my life a little bit easier. But, like it or not, his death has very little emotional impact on me. I didn't know the guy. And I'm not going to weep and cry and rend my shirt.

      --
      "Work is the curse of the drinking classes." -Oscar Wilde
    51. Re:erm? by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      You're making a false dichotomy between extreme responses. Starting off the thread with (not you, but whomever) "So no more adblock huh?" was obviously a comment published to garner a reaction, not an insightful or meaningful comment on its own. The question is valid, but the context was not.

    52. Re:erm? by rivaldufus · · Score: 1

      One would think that for geeks, getting a slashdot posting as a pseudo-eulogy would not be a bad thing.

    53. Re:erm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amazing that you would think that his family is not reading this.........we are. I imagine the filter will live on and yes we will get over the death of our family member.

      Life always goes with out us and someone else always takes over where we left off.

    54. Re:erm? by immortalpob · · Score: 1

      Oh you don't have ad-block plus then. We sometimes forget there are still people that don't.

    55. Re:erm? by Raenex · · Score: 1

      "does this mean no new updates?" sounds like an honest and obvious question that people who use the filter would want to know. Your rephrasing is dishonest.

    56. Re:erm? by MrPhilby · · Score: 1

      ^respect^

    57. Re:erm? by Hatta · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'd rather be classless than humorless.

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      Give me Classic Slashdot or give me death!
    58. Re:erm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Die you dumb dirt nigger!

    59. Re:erm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Crap.

      *puts away bagpipes*

    60. Re:erm? by Grim+Beefer · · Score: 1

      The implicit assumption behind all of your defense is that people can only really care about those that have a "connection" with them. While you can convince yourself of this, I don't need to have a series of information exchanging encounters with a person to sympathize with them as a fellow human.

      If the world really operated this way, we'd certainly be a lot more fucked than we are right now. I would imagine most of us rational self-interested egoists are too busy burying those rogue emotions under paychecks and cheap rhetoric, however.

    61. Re:erm? by Ephemeriis · · Score: 1

      The implicit assumption behind all of your defense is that people can only really care about those that have a "connection" with them. While you can convince yourself of this, I don't need to have a series of information exchanging encounters with a person to sympathize with them as a fellow human.

      If the world really operated this way, we'd certainly be a lot more fucked than we are right now. I would imagine most of us rational self-interested egoists are too busy burying those rogue emotions under paychecks and cheap rhetoric, however.

      Are you telling me that you honestly feel just as much emotional impact when you hear about some random person dying as you do when your mother/father/spouse/child/friend dies? That you weep just as hard for every single person who died in NY last week as you do when your own family suffers tragedy? That you mourn just as long for each murder victim you see on the evening news as you do for someone you've known your whole life?

      Because I don't.

      Sure, I can empathize in a general way... I've lost friends and family... I know how it hurts... I can say "I'm sorry for your loss"...

      But I can't feel that kind of pain personally for someone I've never known. It isn't a choice, it just doesn't happen.

      --
      "Work is the curse of the drinking classes." -Oscar Wilde
    62. Re:erm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not all the people, but maybe some of the people who did a significant amount of work to make your life better with no expectation of compensation. I mean, if open source is going to try to make any legitimate claims to an ethos, then those claims should be backed up with at least a bit of humanity. Not bothering to tip your hat at the death of someone who helped you out personally, regardless of whether there was a personal relationship, is in poor taste, to say the least.

      Asking about the fate of a dead man's work, thus implying that he left a legacy to more than just his friends and family, isn't a tip of the hat? I most heartily disagree! I assert that's the biggest tip of the hat any of us can get--the acknowledgment that we left the world in a better state than we came into it.

      These motions of false sympathy from total strangers are what's insensitive. You're (royal you) not fooling anyone, and you're not being unselfish. In fact, you're wallowing in selfishness! You're saying, "Hey! Look at me! I'm a good person because I'm sad that someone I don't know died!" In other words, you're using someone else's death to increase your own social standing. And then you turn around and castigate those who want to talk about the legacy he left to the world!

      Actually, that's a brilliant piece of game theory, there. Prop yourself up on the bodies of the dead, AND bury the deeds of those dead with them so that your deeds might have a greater chance of getting some mindshare. Clever. Sickening, but clever.

    63. Re:erm? by Grim+Beefer · · Score: 1

      Why would I feel "just as much emotional impact" for tragedy stricken upon strangers? Nothing I said implies this, and you're pushing an extreme view upon me to apologize for a perceived callousness.

      A person's emotional attachment to fellow human beings can be anything. People can care very deeply for people they've never met, and people can not give a damn about people they've known their whole life. I don't buy any arguments that claim some innate level of human empathy that serves as a standard upon which to judge yourself. These types of excuses are used notoriously to defend selfish, destructive, and apathetic behavior, and have been all throughout history. When it comes down to it, you are responsible for your own morals, so you only have yourself to blame if you find yourself offended that others see your lack of empathy as disturbing.

      If people didn't care deeply for each other, including those that they've never met, we never would have come out of certain dark chapters of our collective history. Slavery is a good example. I'm sure you can think of others.

    64. Re:erm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So instead you'd rather have hollow sympathies expressed by people who didn't know the guy?

      Fuck, what kind of shallow society do YOU live in?

    65. Re:erm? by atraintocry · · Score: 1

      Not when you consider that all of us have dealt with someone's death and would like to at least *pretend* that we don't like to see it happen.

      Nobody suggested sending flowers, someone simply pointed out that it was crude.

      Life isn't as harsh as a C compiler. Sometimes you're supposed to do or not do things because it's acceptable or responsible. Even if there isn't a gun to your head or a syntax error waiting in the wings. I love getting my tech news here but it's exasperating that so few people realize this. That or they hold different standards of behavior for the internet and when dealing with people face-to-face and is that disconnect which I find "interesting".

    66. Re:erm? by atraintocry · · Score: 0

      Says the guy who's most likely posting AC to sugar-coat, of all things, his Slashdot comment history.

    67. Re:erm? by atraintocry · · Score: 1

      He got the attention that he wanted, and it's not like he'll ever have to answer to anyone in person for being a prick on the internet. We should be congratulating him for being such a rad dude.

      If anything, he's a master of irony, since shoving animated ads in people's face is exactly the sort of thing people justify by saying, hey, it's not like there's a LAW against it buddy, I'm perfectly valid here.

    68. Re:erm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Says the guy who doesn't even have a fucking Slashdot account. I don't know where you bought your crystal ball, but it appears that you have been ripped off.

    69. Re:erm? by jaggeh · · Score: 1

      Can we assume that im not a completely horrible human being.

      Rather than post an insincere message of sympathy for someone
      i didnt know, i posted a question about what he was working on.

      Some projects dont outlive their creators and for his work to continue
      after he is gone is a sure sign that what he was doing was good and right.

      --
      I would give everything i own for a little bit more.
    70. Re:erm? by Ephemeriis · · Score: 1

      Why would I feel "just as much emotional impact" for tragedy stricken upon strangers? Nothing I said implies this, and you're pushing an extreme view upon me to apologize for a perceived callousness.

      I'm not apologizing for anything.

      I'm trying to figure out what other people think I should be feeling.

      When it comes down to it, you are responsible for your own morals, so you only have yourself to blame if you find yourself offended that others see your lack of empathy as disturbing.

      Offended? No.

      Curious? Yes.

      --
      "Work is the curse of the drinking classes." -Oscar Wilde
    71. Re:erm? by plague3106 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not when you consider that all of us have dealt with someone's death and would like to at least *pretend* that we don't like to see it happen.

      Nobody suggested sending flowers, someone simply pointed out that it was crude.

      Why pretend? That seems more crude to me. Nobody was wishing death on the guy.. but the fact is to most people here he simply doesn't matter. My life is the same now as it would have been if I didn't see this story on /. and never knew he died. Sorry... that's just how it is.

      Sometimes you're supposed to do or not do things because it's acceptable or responsible.

      Yes, a lot of people would say that, and I'm questioning why. Why should anyone that had no clue of even his name before this story pretend to care that he's gone? Everyone's going to die, that's the cold fact of life. Those that knew him surely feel loss, and sure it sucks for them... but just for them. Or should they pretend to be sad if they ever found out I died? I doubt they would.. most likely, it would be "oh, that's too bad," and their life goes on unaffected. That's fine.. I'm not so self-centered that I think people that don't know me should care at all.

    72. Re:erm? by droazen · · Score: 1

      Why should anyone that had no clue of even his name before this story pretend to care that he's gone?

      Well, there is this school of thought:

      "No Man is an Island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the Continent, a part of the main; if a Clod be washed away by the Sea, Europe is the less, as well as if a Promontory were, as well as if a Manor of thy friends, or of thine own were; Any Man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in Mankind; And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; It tolls for thee."

      --John Donne

    73. Re:erm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I AM HIS DAUGHTER, so Rick752's family is reading this! Sometimes it is nice to read about how my father touch the lives of others around the world; wouldn't you??? He spend much of his time maintaining this ad blocker that over 4 million people enjoyed. It was the greatest accomplishment in his life, asides from his family and friends.

      I am sorry that it is so hard for some people to think of others instead of themselves for one minute out of the day! For all the evil comments...I hope you are happy now that you let all the negativity out of your system and moved on.

      Thank you to everyone who enjoyed a great online conversation or need help with the program he maintained for so long. My father loved helping others and never asked for anything in return.
      My mother and I greatly appreciate it ! We love you Rick752; we couldn't have asked for a better father and husband.

      Erin & Debbie

    74. Re:erm? by Pervaricator+General · · Score: 1

      I believe this type of response is why we can't have nice things.

    75. Re:erm? by plague3106 · · Score: 1

      Well, I find your quote totally irrelevent. It doesn't extend to someone 3000 miles away that I never heard of. I have plenty of family and friends that would be sad if something happened to me, just as I'm sure "rick752" has plenty of family and friends who supported him, and will miss him.

      So while the quote sounds nice and fuzzy, it's just not how people work.

    76. Re:erm? by plague3106 · · Score: 1

      Oh? And how long will you be morning "rick752"?

    77. Re:erm? by Pervaricator+General · · Score: 1

      I have not used AdBlock and have no connection with the subject. However, your attitude of ambivalence toward our fellow man's sorrows is both enlightening and sickening, and worthy of discussion. People are quite willing to mourn someone who may have been a horrible person in private. They are also willing to laud success that may not be deserved when revealed int he light of day. This memorial post on a board full of people who have been influenced by the subject is not such a case.

      The memorial post was an attempt to provide a forum for meaningful mourning (and not just self-gratification through feigned interest and grief) to people who may not have known him personally but still benefited from the man's work. And while the ambivalent attitude shown by some may be fitting on /b/, one shouldn't be surprised by the shock it causes among people who actually might have been affected by this man.

      In other words, go troll somewhere else.

    78. Re:erm? by droazen · · Score: 1

      I think you may have missed the point of the quote. The idea is that it makes sense to feel a small loss when someone who has contributed something of value to the world leaves it -- "Any Man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in Mankind."

      I disagree that people are incapable of feeling anything for those beyond one's immediate circle of family and friends. This is basic human empathy we're talking about here...

    79. Re:erm? by plague3106 · · Score: 1

      I think you may have missed the point of the quote. The idea is that it makes sense to feel a small loss when someone who has contributed something of value to the world leaves it -- "Any Man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in Mankind."

      Everyone contributes something to the world. And since his replacement seems to have been decided.. I'm not sure what unique value he had. Very few people in the world count as irreplacable.

      I disagree that people are incapable of feeling anything for those beyond one's immediate circle of family and friends. This is basic human empathy we're talking about here...

      This basic empathy you're talking about is a myth; people pretend, because as you said, it's whats expected. Empathy is the ability to "share and understand" another's feelings.. and while I can certainly understand the loss and am not trying to belittle it... I don't share in it, because I didn't know the guy.

      I mean really, if what you are saying is true, shouldn't we all be crying constantly.. after all thousands of people are dying everyday from war, starvation, their own stupidity, natural causes and crime. But for the most part, life just goes on, and you're no different now than if you never knew this guy died.

    80. Re:erm? by plague3106 · · Score: 1

      Stop it already. Those that truely would mourn him wouldn't be doing it here. Really, would you be mourning the loss of the guy that did your roof five years ago, assuming no other connections? After all, you can make the same argument for a roofer.. his work affected many people. I'm not trolling... I honestly believe this is more of a "look at me what a good person I am because I pretend to feel for someone I don't know." There's a lot of that around, and it sickens me more that people do that instead of being honest.

    81. Re:erm? by Pervaricator+General · · Score: 1

      Maybe mourning is proportional to influence. A guy that did my concrete was killed on the job. I sent his family a note and some cash. How is that different than getting dressed up and going to a public funeral? For that matter, who are you to say that this text memorial is any different than "pouring out a 40 for our dead homie"?

      Spend your time trolling emo suicide memorial boards for people claiming the deceased was "a great person and didn't deserve this." The adults are talking.

    82. Re:erm? by droazen · · Score: 1

      Very few people in the world count as irreplacable.

      That is beside the point -- not every loss needs to be a net loss in order for it to matter on some level. At the very least, this sort of thing serves as a reminder of one's own mortality.

      I mean really, if what you are saying is true, shouldn't we all be crying constantly

      No, that degree of empathy would be super-human, not human -- not to mention counter-productive. But I do believe that there is more to be gained from a two-second pause for reflection than an "I really don't care" kind of reaction.

    83. Re:erm? by plague3106 · · Score: 1

      That is beside the point -- not every loss needs to be a net loss in order for it to matter on some level. At the very least, this sort of thing serves as a reminder of one's own mortality.

      Does a shooting on the news causing anyone to remember their own mortality? Not likely. If his work on his project didn't affect me, and I didn't know him, there's no impact on my life.

      No, that degree of empathy would be super-human, not human -- not to mention counter-productive. But I do believe that there is more to be gained from a two-second pause for reflection than an "I really don't care" kind of reaction.

      Why pause at this guy's death over someone elses? At least we have some progress; you admit that many of the people that die don't affect you.

    84. Re:erm? by plague3106 · · Score: 1

      Maybe mourning is proportional to influence. A guy that did my concrete was killed on the job. I sent his family a note and some cash. How is that different than getting dressed up and going to a public funeral? For that matter, who are you to say that this text memorial is any different than "pouring out a 40 for our dead homie"?

      I see several differences. First, the guy doing your concrete was on your property, doing a job for you. You may have been seen him or talked to him. Even then though, your actions back up what I'm saying; you sent a note and gave money, but no mention of attending a funeral or greving.

      Those going to a public funeral are going for themsevles. They want to feel part of something that will be remembered... but are they really sad? Doubtful. If it was a civil rights leader, I bet there could be some loss.. the person was fighting for them personally. Losing someone fighting that battle for or with you, ya, I can see that. But that's also quite aways removed from publishing a filter list.

      Pouring out a 40... that seems like something you'd do if you knew someone personally.. even if not that well, although I'd be suprised if you didn't have some more personal connection in your life with the one that's gone. Maybe for a coworker that was liked?

      Spend your time trolling emo suicide memorial boards for people claiming the deceased was "a great person and didn't deserve this." The adults are talking.

      Not sure what you're getting at here. What's your point? That the family puts their emotion on display for the world to see?

  2. What can you say. by LWATCDR · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I feel for his family. I use and really like adblock plus but that is trivial compared to what his lose means to his family and friends.

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    1. Re:What can you say. by Norsefire · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Someone else can maintain AdBlock, no one else can be his daughter's father.

    2. Re:What can you say. by Smidge207 · · Score: 1, Funny

      Someone else can maintain AdBlock

      Agreed; I herby nominate Nosehair to handle all new Ad Block updates.

      =Smidge=

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    3. Re:What can you say. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Someone else can maintain AdBlock, no one else can be his daughter's father.

      Someone else already does maintain Adblock Plus: Wladimir Palant. The summary is incorrect. Rick Petnel maintained the most popular filter list for Adblock, not the addon itself.

      That said, it still sucks for his family.

    4. Re:What can you say. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      But that doesn't preclude her from calling me daddy, now does it? ;)

      No, but I'm sure there are plenty of other things that would preclude this from happening.

    5. Re:What can you say. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, go on, stick up for mediocrity. Twat. I'm sure everyone's impressed.

    6. Re:What can you say. by Tanktalus · · Score: 1

      I think I have a picture of clickclickdrone somewhere... ah, here it is. HTH. HAND.

    7. Re:What can you say. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Someone else can maintain AdBlock, no one else can be his daughter's father.

      No one's father lives forever.

      It's sad for her, but there's no reason to be more sad for her than for anyone else who lost their father. Are you going to shed a tear for every little girl left without a daddy, today? You'd better drink your gatorade.

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    8. Re:What can you say. by Ragzouken · · Score: 1

      Do you think anyone in this thread has made a difference?

    9. Re:What can you say. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I feel for his family. I use and really like adblock plus but that is trivial compared to what his lose means to his family and friends.

      FFS what is it that causes Slashdot posters the inability to deal with the word "lose" and its related forms? The word you should have used here is LOSS. Thank you, that is all.

    10. Re:What can you say. by bitt3n · · Score: 2, Funny

      no one else can be his daughter's father.

      I thought the same until the day I learned that someone else is my daughter's father.

    11. Re:What can you say. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll be her daddy.

    12. Re:What can you say. by Feanturi · · Score: 1

      LOL. Nice. What you don't realize is that Grammar Nazis are so mediocre in everything else in their lives that they develop a compulsive need to correct other people on the internet as though they are somehow doing important work. It compensates for a deep lack of self-esteem, helping them to feel superior in some (very small) way. Meanwhile, the guy who made the mistake can be given a variety of plausible excuses for the error, none of which are actually known to the Grammar Nazi. They would rather assume that the misspelling is the result of sheer ignorance or laziness. Ever tried typing while somebody is talking to you? Some people are baby-juggling while at the keyboard. Sometimes people are in a hurry to get out the door and just trying to finish a post quickly. How about English being your second or third language? Trust me, they did not mean to ruin your day by raping your precious English. So just give them a break is all I'm saying, and find other ways to compensate for your mediocrity.

    13. Re:What can you say. by atraintocry · · Score: 1

      That's like telling someone not to adopt because it just points out what a hypocrite they are for not adopting every kid that's ever needed it.

      You don't have sympathy because you can stop death, you have sympathy because you can't.

    14. Re:What can you say. by clickclickdrone · · Score: 1

      Heh heh - yep, I like that :-)

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  3. Rest in peace, Mr. Petnel. by Lilith's+Heart-shape · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You might have annoyed advertisers, but that's fine with me, because advertisers used to annoy the shit out of me. Thanks to AdBlock Plus, I no longer have to be annoyed by adverts when I go online.

    1. Re:Rest in peace, Mr. Petnel. by pipboy9999 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I some times forget that the internet has adds thanks to ABP. I am reminded how much I love ABP when I use some one else's computer.

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    2. Re:Rest in peace, Mr. Petnel. by Abreu · · Score: 1

      Indeed... Richard, may God reward you for helping people remove annoyments out of their lives.

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    3. Re:Rest in peace, Mr. Petnel. by Lilith's+Heart-shape · · Score: 1

      I sometimes forget as well; one of the first things I do when setting up a new computer is to install Firefox with Adblock Plus and Petnel's EasyList. I did this with my wife's Macbook, and she loved it until she started watching Hulu and shows on CBS.com. So, I just disabled adblock for those sites, and she's happy again.

    4. Re:Rest in peace, Mr. Petnel. by dave420 · · Score: 1

      He also annoyed websites by removing their ability to pay for their hosting. Yay.

    5. Re:Rest in peace, Mr. Petnel. by Lilith's+Heart-shape · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That wasn't his problem, and it isn't mine. If you can't support a website without annoying people (and, yes, ads are really fucking annoying) then your website might not be as valuable as you think it is.

    6. Re:Rest in peace, Mr. Petnel. by hairyfeet · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Not to mention as a PC repairman it has really helped me move folks away from the ubercrap that is IE. I would get a call to go out and fix a home user/SOHO/small business and I always carry my flash with me loaded with computer repair utility toolkit and portable Firefox with Adblock Plus installed. It never seems to fail that I have this conversation:

      "Hey, how come I don't see that stupid 'hit the clown and win an iPod ad'?" that is because with Firefox 3 and Adblock Plus I don't have to look at stupid ads anymore. Makes my day nicer and my browser load quicker to boot. "I bet that is expensive and really hard to set up,huh?" Nope, it is absolutely free, no adware or spyware either, and with Adblock Plus I answer a single question and I'm done. It even updates itself so as new ads or Internet bugs come along I don't have to worry. "Uuuhh, since you are here anyway, do you think you could install that to MY machine?"

      I can't count how many times I have had that conversation. I even managed to get my Luddite 67 year old dad to get off IE. Trying to sell folks security is like trying to sell them air. They know they need it but actually getting them to grasp it is NOT easy. Thanks to Adblock Plus getting them switched to a more secure browser is simple as 1-2-3. 1-Let them see me using FF3 with Adblock Plus. 2-Tell them it is free and easy when asked 3-Install FF3 and Adblock Plus when requested by the user(which they always do). So my heart goes out to their family. Guys like Rick have done more to spread FOSS than any bullet pointed list about security ever could. Thanks to Adblock Plus the web is what I WANT it to be, not what some damned irritating advertiser makes it into. He really was one of the unsung heroes of FOSS because by maintaining the Adblock Plus list he made FF3 an easy sell to every IE user I've come in contact with.

      And for those that suggested a HOSTS file, aka the Cheap Opera hack? That is NOT easy, in fact for the average home user maintaining a HOSTS file is strange and difficult. With FF3 and Adblock Plus they don't have to do ANYTHING, as the software does it all for them. Can't get much simpler than that.

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    7. Re:Rest in peace, Mr. Petnel. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      He also annoyed websites by removing their ability to pay for their hosting. Yay.

      No loss. When websites and advertisers get it through their thick skulls that people won't block advertising that's useful to them then maybe good websites will prosper and everybody will benefit.

      Most web publishers are so focused on maximizing their ad revenue they lose sight of the fact that obtrusive advertising clutters and reduces the net value of their website. To below zero for many viewers.

    8. Re:Rest in peace, Mr. Petnel. by SkyDude · · Score: 1

      No he didn't. He merely helped create a tool that gave users more control. Just as with spam filters, it's the user's choice to implement them or not.

      Having said that, I agree, that the continued use of ad blockers is not a positive, but maybe their continued use will encourage advertisers to be more careful with their ads. We've all experienced crappy Flash ads that crash your browser, or Javascript-based ads that cause a page to hang. For me, these are the reasons I block ads until I know a site won't do harm to my system.

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    9. Re:Rest in peace, Mr. Petnel. by Directrix1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Without advertising you often have to either charge for access to your website, or rake in donations. You are being very naive with your assumptions.

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    10. Re:Rest in peace, Mr. Petnel. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please, tell me, why are "ads fucking annoying".

      I'd like to view your thoughts on why they are annoying.

      Or is it yet another case of jumping on the bandwagon to look cool?

    11. Re:Rest in peace, Mr. Petnel. by Lilith's+Heart-shape · · Score: 1

      I'm not in the habit of explaining my reasons to ACs.

    12. Re:Rest in peace, Mr. Petnel. by Ragzouken · · Score: 1

      Why is everyone so uptight about responding to Anonymous Cowards?

    13. Re:Rest in peace, Mr. Petnel. by Lilith's+Heart-shape · · Score: 1

      I'm not interested in getting into a long conversation with a GNAA troll or a refugee from 4chan.

    14. Re:Rest in peace, Mr. Petnel. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I get reminded how annoying the internet is when I use it at the Library....I seriously do not understand how people tolerate ads anymore...that's soo 2002!

    15. Re:Rest in peace, Mr. Petnel. by c00rdb · · Score: 1

      Or how about if the website is so annoying to you, then you don't visit it. Rather than using technology to circumvent what they're doing. I mean if these websites are so horrible in the first place why do you need to do all this to view them? Please.

    16. Re:Rest in peace, Mr. Petnel. by theaceoffire · · Score: 1

      Without advertising you often have to either charge for access to your website, or rake in donations.

      You can have ads without being annoying. If you have text ads (even picture ads), that is fine by me.

      On the other hand, if you have talking/singing ads, moving/bouncing ads, full page/popup/popunder ads, 99% of your page ads, cookie attack ads, etc, I will block you forever.

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    17. Re:Rest in peace, Mr. Petnel. by lawnsprinkler · · Score: 0

      What's GNAA?

    18. Re:Rest in peace, Mr. Petnel. by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Without advertising you often have to either charge for access to your website, or rake in donations. You are being very naive with your assumptions.

      Seems to me that you are the one being naive. The market determines the viability of the business model - not how much effort you put into it. If the market decides that advertising support is unacceptable, then that's just the way it is. You might as well be claiming that your website needs bailout money.

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    19. Re:Rest in peace, Mr. Petnel. by Lilith's+Heart-shape · · Score: 1

      I'm not going to answer that, since you've done me no harm and I bear no malice against you.

    20. Re:Rest in peace, Mr. Petnel. by arth1 · · Score: 1

      Without advertising you often have to either charge for access to your website, or rake in donations. You are being very naive with your assumptions.

      I believe the naïve person is yourself, because you don't think farther than the website itself.
      With less advertising, you would have to pay the companies that advertise less for their products, and you would have more money to pay for access to the web sites or hand out as donations.

      The game of advertising doesn't create any money. It only redistributes it, less overhead. By reducing advertising, you don't remove the money from the larger system. That money will be made available to the producers and the consumers. Now the challenge for those who rely on ad revenue is how to get their part of that increased wealth. Providing a service that people want to pay for is one option. More people would be able to afford it, if they didn't have to pay a 10-40% ad tax on all the products they buy.

    21. Re:Rest in peace, Mr. Petnel. by jonaskoelker · · Score: 1

      Thanks to AdBlock Plus, I no longer have to be annoyed by adverts when I go online.

      Taking the other point of view (in hope of inspiring some interesting debate): I have a new-found love for-- if not advertisers, then at least sponsorships.

      (Yes, I know, advertisers are scumbags who invade your privacy and flash company logos at you; sponsors only flash company logos at you).

      The reason: StarCraft. Go to gomtv.net and watch a game. Note how the games take place in a large hall. Halls a free (bzzt). Note how the players have computers to play on, and how there are commentators in nice suits (at least the Korean ones). Suits are free (bzzt). Notice how the first prize is 40 million won. Korean monies are free (bzzt).

      I'm thankful towards Intel, SKT, KTF, Woongjin, Hwaseung and the rest for paying some of the money needed to run an entertaining, competitive e-sport. I don't mind them plastering their corporate logos all over the place (and srsly it is), as long as it isn't in the way of my enjoyment of the game (which it isn't).

      That said, I think it's in stark contrast to Internet ads, which have the personality of hyperactive needy three-year-olds, screaming as loud as the can to steal your attention because they are TEH MOST IMPORTANT THING EVARR IN YUOR LIEF!

      (sorry).

    22. Re:Rest in peace, Mr. Petnel. by mdm42 · · Score: 1

      No! You're being unimaginative with your assumptions.

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    23. Re:Rest in peace, Mr. Petnel. by sympathy · · Score: 0

      Checking it to celebrate the memory of Mr. Petnel. You will be missed.

    24. Re:Rest in peace, Mr. Petnel. by lawnsprinkler · · Score: 0

      I don't get it, what do you mean?

    25. Re:Rest in peace, Mr. Petnel. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the problem with that is?

      The *real* problem is that too many people here and on the Internet expect *everything* to be for free. May I present my primary exhibit A: Peer to peer sharing.

      If people aren't willing to donate money or pay to use a website then just *maybe* it doesn't need to exist? Afterall, what's the value of something that's provided for free? $0.

      I think the sooner people learn that you don't get high quality web sites and web applications for free, the better. It'll give some value back to the software industry.

    26. Re:Rest in peace, Mr. Petnel. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Without advertising you often have to either charge for access to your website, or rake in donations. You are being very naive with your assumptions.

      if your service is truly valuable, and you have to charge or get donations in order to keep it active, then DO IT. if you still can't make any money, then as the GP said, your web site simply is not as valuable as you think it is.

      you're the one who's naive if you believe otherwise.

    27. Re:Rest in peace, Mr. Petnel. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you don't get high quality web sites and web applications for free

      that's not completely true. you CAN get high quality web sites and applications for free. the point here is that if you absolutely have to get paid for your work, and you can't get anyone to give you any money, then your work, by definition, is not valuable. either people can live without the service, or a competing service (which is probably free and "good enough") will take your customers.

    28. Re:Rest in peace, Mr. Petnel. by Ragzouken · · Score: 1

      GNAA is the Gay Nigger Association of America, some troll copypasta that is posted anonymously. Not sure why Lilith is so afraid to tell you.

    29. Re:Rest in peace, Mr. Petnel. by Lilith's+Heart-shape · · Score: 1

      I thought he would be happier not knowing. I know I regretted learning about the GNAA.

    30. Re:Rest in peace, Mr. Petnel. by lawnsprinkler · · Score: 0

      Why wouldn't I want to know? I'm not one for willful ignorance. What's copypasta and why do they post it anonymously?

    31. Re:Rest in peace, Mr. Petnel. by Ragzouken · · Score: 1

      Posted anonymously presumably so they don't have to create an account just for it to be banned. Copypasta is just some long text that is written once and copy pasted many times but presented as though it were newly written.

    32. Re:Rest in peace, Mr. Petnel. by Geminii · · Score: 1

      My usual response to any such "Why doesn't your computer do/show X?" question is generally "Why would I want my computer to do that?" Sometimes the lightbulb goes on, sometimes it doesn't.

  4. RIP by saleenS281 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That's a bit young to go, but at least he lived a full life. I wonder what the heck he died from "after a brief illness". Given it's a hospice, I can only imagine an aggressive cancer.

    1. Re:RIP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not sure, but sounds like a Hunter Thompson death to me. Piss enough people off and suddenly you have a "heart attack".

    2. Re:RIP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah this pretty much sums up what I hate about the rise of new style news media.

      Just because something is news doesn't mean you are part of it in a way that means we can sidestep any kind of need for decorum and spend our time speculating on details that are slightly invasive and have no bearing on the fact that the guy died.

         

    3. Re:RIP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hear you on the AIDS, but suicide? Nothing shameful about that. I am planning to go that way, and I am not the least bit ashamed of it.

    4. Re:RIP by Jalfro · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Except there's nothing shameful about AIDS of course.

    5. Re:RIP by Jalfro · · Score: 1

      On the contrary, it's the (anonymous) coward's way out.

    6. Re:RIP by mzs · · Score: 4, Informative

      He had a stroke about two weeks ago:

      http://forums.lanik.us/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=3366

      "Rick had suffered a stroke on St Patrick' Day"

    7. Re:RIP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hunter Thompson died at 67 from a self-inflicted gun shot wound. His suicide note was published in an issue of Rolling Stone.

    8. Re:RIP by Jalfro · · Score: 1

      Your point being?

    9. Re:RIP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh! Well, if YOU say it, it must be true.

  5. Love the product by klui · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Didn't know the man, but I love the product. It's comforting to know he won't have to worry about ads any more.

    1. Re:Love the product by melikamp · · Score: 5, Funny

      How do you know there are no ads in Heaven?

    2. Re:Love the product by DamnStupidElf · · Score: 1

      Isn't it obvious that ads come from the Other Place?

    3. Re:Love the product by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      .... uhm because you know the marketing types all go to hell.

    4. Re:Love the product by BESTouff · · Score: 5, Insightful

      .. because there's no heaven ?

    5. Re:Love the product by relguj9 · · Score: 1

      Or that God doesn't support ads and is pissed about the blocker?

    6. Re:Love the product by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      How do you know that's where he went? Maybe it's like South Park. The correct faith is Mormonism, everyone else, straight to hell.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    7. Re:Love the product by melikamp · · Score: 1

      No heaven? Ridiculous. We have so many ads for it here on earth. For a guy who has no real competition, God is throwing a lot of cash on marketing and PR.

    8. Re:Love the product by steelfood · · Score: 1

      How do you know there are no ads in Heaven?

      Because if there was a hell, the guys who invented pop-ups would all end up there, next to the telemarketers and autodialers. No, not the people who use autodialers, the machines themselves.

      --
      "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be."
    9. Re:Love the product by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      because there's no heaven ?

      That's right - there's just Texas

    10. Re:Love the product by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How do you know there are no ads in Heaven?

      Because if there was a hell, the guys who invented pop-ups would all end up there, next to the telemarketers and autodialers. No, not the people who use autodialers, the machines themselves.

      A) There is a hell.

      B) Autodialers are not in hell. Autodialers go to robot hell.

      C) You forgot to mention the Flash developers getting punched in the monkey by monkeys for all eternity.

    11. Re:Love the product by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... then why do you call it heaven?

    12. Re:Love the product by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      .. because there's no heaven ?

      Then you cannot speculate about the characteristics of said heaven

    13. Re:Love the product by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      brought to you by Jesus Cream!

    14. Re:Love the product by atraintocry · · Score: 1

      St. Anselm, is that you?

    15. Re:Love the product by Pinchiukas · · Score: 1

      He has a man inside.

  6. The announcement on the EasyList forum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
  7. Donations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Donations made to:

    Community Hospice of Albany
    445 New Karner Rd.
    Albany, NY 12205

    1. Re:Donations by awpoopy · · Score: 3, Informative

      From the Obituary:
      "In lieu of flowers, memorial contributions may be sent to:
      Community Hospice of Albany
      445 New Karner Rd., Albany, NY 12205.
      To leave a special message for the family online, visit www.NewcomerAlbany.com"

      --
      I say things which affects my Karma negatively. (and I don't care) For instance; All religion is false.
    2. Re:Donations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just received a much better offer from a prince in Nigeria.

  8. So young... by Thanshin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A close friend has recently died at a similar age and it's so strange to think of all the plans we make for after retirement, never contemplating we may never reach it...

    1. Re:So young... by kobaz · · Score: 1

      This is why I dislike the "get a nice comfy state job, work for 30 years, and retire" attitude that my dad has. At 65 he's been enjoying his pension... but he can barely walk since he keeps pulling muscles any time he tries to exercise. He's got low energy most of the time, and as the years go on, has less and less of a will to do anything other than sit in front of his computer and tinker.

      Why would I want to piss away 30 years of my life (30 of the best years) working for someone else, and then finally get to "have my fun".

      So instead, I've been running a business with my brother for the past bunch of years (and I'm 26 now) and I've been having the time of my life. I've gone on big road trips, hiked the Appalachian Trail, and generally had tons of fun, all while earning an income... and saving away for later.

      --

      The goal of computer science is to build something that will last at least until we've finished building it.
    2. Re:So young... by mikael · · Score: 1

      I've heard similar stories from friends. One couple moved out to France to retire - the guy was lucky enough to have a pension scheme that allowed him to take early retirement at 60. Bought their dream cottage, renovated it, had friends at church and ran their own bar/restaurant. Then he was diagnosed with lung cancer and eventually passed away.

      Another couple, the lady slipped on a staircase while going downstairs and hit her head against one of the leading edges of the steps. She thought nothing of it, then several hours later, was seriously ill and taken to hospital.

      It just seems so cruel to have worked all those years to achieve a dream, and then have it taken away...

      --
      Vintage computer adverts: http://www.vintageadbrowser.com/computers-and-software-ads
    3. Re:So young... by MightyYar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      One day, you'll have kids. Then come back and read this comment :)

      --
      W..w..W - Willy Waterloo washes Warren Wiggins who is washing Waldo Woo.
    4. Re:So young... by Skim123 · · Score: 1

      I agree that people should do what they love, have new experiences, blah blah blah, and not worry about the money and career building and job safety when they're young and have no dependents. It's a little more sobering and a much more difficult decision when you're a father with a wife and children you need to provide and support. I can see the allure to job safety, even if it means sacrificing doing what you enjoy.

      All that being said, I think it is possible for one to do what they enjoy and be less focused on money, even with a family, if they've made some prudent financial decisions and are content with not keeping up with their next door neighbors.

      --

      I could not justify my existence if I were a turkey farmer. Would I terminate myself? Undoubtably, yes.

    5. Re:So young... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      When you're young is the best time to have kids, because your DNA is in the best shape, and you are in the best shape. Try all that getting up in the morning shit at the age of 45 or something. Older parents (of both genders) do tend to lead to more birth defects though. The older model where you get hitched and knocked up at 14 arguably makes the most sense - when you're done with a couple kids, you're still young enough to enjoy life. I elected for the "no kids" plan (so far... knocking on wood right now) and that seems to be working well enough for me :)

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    6. Re:So young... by Skim123 · · Score: 1

      When you're young is the best time to have kids, because your DNA is in the best shape, and you are in the best shape.

      In the best shape physically, perhaps, but not necessarily in the best shape emotionally, mentally, or economically. Try all that buying diapers, baby food, cribs, toys, etc. when you're making $8 an hour at WalMart. How many 14 year olds have the emotional maturity and patience to choose staying at home with to take care of a screaming, a colicky baby versus going outside to play with their friends? How much more likely is a tired and frustrated 15 year old to shake or strike the baby in a fit of anger versus someone who is 35?

      The plan my wife and I have has worked well for us - married at 25, first kid at 30, with those first five years of marriage involving a lot of travel and other big adventures that you can't enjoy for some years after the first kid pops out.

      --

      I could not justify my existence if I were a turkey farmer. Would I terminate myself? Undoubtably, yes.

    7. Re:So young... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      How many 14 year olds have the emotional maturity and patience to choose staying at home with to take care of a screaming, a colicky baby versus going outside to play with their friends?

      Well, I do really hear you. 99% of parents in the USA have fallen on their fucking ass when it comes to parenting. You might think the percentage is a lot less but here's a free clue: if your kids grow up and think you're a fucking moron, it's not just a phase. You totally failed to connect with your kids. They might come around belatedly, but they'd be a lot better off if you had just treated them like small humans from the beginning and taught them how to meet you on an adult level, instead of treating them like children from day one, and have them become big children instead of adults.

      You can't just blame the parents, of course; this is what our society has been asking for all along. Won't someone come along and protect me? And everything that can be said on that subject was famously said by Benjamin Franklin; now it only remains to be seen whether the future will converge on Terminator (probably sans time travel,) 1984 or Idiocracy.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    8. Re:So young... by Skim123 · · Score: 1

      And I do really hear you, too, but one thing that parenthood has taught me is that your opinions and views on parenting and child rearing morph a bit once you become a parent and go through some experiences. That's not to say that you don't have valid points - you do - but hearing a childless adult say, "What's wrong with parents these days is X" is a bit like a white trust fund baby who's never left the Hamptons except to tour Europe making comments on the problems of inner-city youth. :-)

      Case in point: every parent before they are a parent has a list of things they plan on doing or not doing when they have kids. Trust me, that list differs substantially from its pre-kids to its post-kids state!

      --

      I could not justify my existence if I were a turkey farmer. Would I terminate myself? Undoubtably, yes.

    9. Re:So young... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Case in point: every parent before they are a parent has a list of things they plan on doing or not doing when they have kids. Trust me, that list differs substantially from its pre-kids to its post-kids state!

      I completely hear what you're saying and even agree with it. I do this however with the caveat that most people shouldn't have kids at all. They've been completely unprepared by a bad upbringing, and really need to get some shit straight before they start breeding or they're only going to raise kids more fucked up than they are, especially because most people are in denial about how fucked up they are. It doesn't make them bad people, but it does make them bad parents. I'm sure I wouldn't be a great parent, so I elect not to be one.

      I could rant on about this for days but please take away at least that I'm no hypocrite - I've opted out. It doesn't make me right, but at least I'm consistent. And I'm not trying to say that anything should be done about who should have children or anything silly like that. I would however ask anyone who hasn't yet borne offspring if that's what the world really needs right now.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    10. Re:So young... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      She thought nothing of it, then several hours later, was seriously ill and taken to hospital.

      Well, is the bitch dead, or what???

    11. Re:So young... by Skim123 · · Score: 1

      I agree wholeheartedly that there are a lot of unfit parents out there, although I think that it's a stretch to say that most people shouldn't have kids. There is certainly a population of people who are bad parents and shouldn't procreate, but I believe this number of be the minority. I'd even go as far to say that people with bad upbringings could learn the skills needed to raise good kids.

      In my experience, being a parent is more about patience, routine, and having the fortitude to take actions that are in the best interest of your kids in the long run regardless of how much they bitch and moan. In other words, it's mostly mechanical skills. There's no magic. Folks with great parents have an upperhand as they know the behavior to model, but I believe these behaviors could be taught to most people who had a poor childhood themselves.

      --

      I could not justify my existence if I were a turkey farmer. Would I terminate myself? Undoubtably, yes.

  9. Condolences.. and kudos by lawaetf1 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    First and foremost, condolences to the family.

    Second, Rich, thanks for a powerful plugin that I'm sure has kept my blood pressure down a few notches. Whenever I use a browser that doesn't have adBlock installed I am aghast at the irritating clutter that is on most web pages.

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    CommentBot 0.7a running with args "-module irritate,disagree -target random"
  10. Truly an American icon. by qoncept · · Score: 0

    Truly an American icon.

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    Whale
  11. AdBlock Plus still maintained by Wladimir Palant by Briareos · · Score: 5, Informative

    Though it's sad that the maintainer of one of AdBlock Plus' block lists (the "EasyList") died he still wasn't the maintainer of AdBlock Plus itself.

    That's still Wladimir Palant, as can be easily seen here.

    --

    "I'm not anti-anything, I'm anti-everything, it fits better." - Sole

  12. Re:Ditch MS Windows and set up an IP filter list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's nice until it blocks something you don't want it to.

  13. Frankly, I hope he parties like it's 1999 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who wants to rest in peace/ Party!!

  14. His legacy is that a lot of us enjoy surfing more by AnalPerfume · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The battles of advertising & greed / annoying customers was always gonna go like this. They need to keep hitting targets, which means more eyeballs. They know that only a small percentage of eyeballs who see the advert actually convert to cash, so they need more eyeballs to be a bigger pool.

    That means they are more in-your-face, more determined to ignore your option not to see them. This in turn leads to people like Rick taking a stand which leads to all of us AdBlockPlus users having a better surfing experience.

    Advertisers have brought it upon themselves by being aggressively greedy. It's a numbers game which is backfiring to some extent as more people decide that enough is enough and they block all adverts. Unfortunately this greed by the super-corps has hindered the little guys who rely on adverts and use them subtly and responsibly as they are blocked too by users. Then.....since when has any CEO been ousted for considering the little guy? It's all "ME! ME! ME!".

  15. Re:first post! by Shakrai · · Score: 4, Funny

    Naw, ya gotta go classy. Discount caskets aren't classy. Now a Folger's coffee can and scattering the ashes when the wind is in your face.... that's classy ;)

    --
    I want peace on earth and goodwill toward man.
    We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
  16. i'm not usually the tin foil hat kind of person by circletimessquare · · Score: 1, Troll

    but how much money does this guy going away represent to the ad industry?

    --
    intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
    1. Re:i'm not usually the tin foil hat kind of person by Norsefire · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If Google were smart they would capitalise on this by having a memorial, say turning off ads in GMail for a day. Sure, they would lose profit but the amount of good-will they would make would be priceless.

    2. Re:i'm not usually the tin foil hat kind of person by bhagwad · · Score: 1
      Google's ads can be completely subtle - even when the color schemes are off, they come nowhere close to the annoying ads that we see in some places.

      I don't think we can blame Google for annoying us with their ads. They can be very spot on too.

    3. Re:i'm not usually the tin foil hat kind of person by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If Google were smart they would capitalise on this by having a memorial, say turning off ads in GMail for a day. Sure, they would lose profit but the amount of good-will they would make would be priceless.

      Because Google has a serious PR problem. Wait, what?

    4. Re:i'm not usually the tin foil hat kind of person by iYk6 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Everybody who knows Rick doesn't view ads, and doesn't contribute to Google's income.

    5. Re:i'm not usually the tin foil hat kind of person by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but how much money does this guy going away represent to the ad industry?

      How much does Microsoft owe to piracy? Sure, they'd rather you pay for the software. But your (hypothetical) use of it is preferable to using a competitor's product (esp a free one), or your not having a positive opinion of their work when in a position to buy/license software. There are also network affects or benefits that pirates bring. What does that mean regarding www.cnn.com and Adblock Plus? Many, many websites would have lost my patronage if not for adblock plus. So, instead of having 0% of my business/ad attention, they get closer to 10%. It may not be the 100% they want, but it is better than nothing. If I send you a link to a story on cnn.com, you might get 100% blasted with ads (bring up the value of my patronage). If ads could not be blocked, I suspect we might have a free (as in freedom) news movement like there is an open source movement. Maybe there is one but it is of little relevance as we can still surf big corporate sites free of annoyances.

    6. Re:i'm not usually the tin foil hat kind of person by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      Very little I imagine, someone else is likely to pick up the slack pretty quickly.

      --
      note: i'm known as plugwash most places but i screwd up registering that here somehow in the past and now can't register
  17. Hum.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can't seem to open TFA... died of natural causes or "died of natural causes". Face it ...make the calculation on how much money this guy made the companies loose.

  18. Nobel by dln385 · · Score: 1

    This guy deserved a Nobel Prize. He truly made the world a better place.

    On a related note, I wonder if anyone has released a "First Post Block Plus"?

  19. What should we do? by XB-70 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Given the importance of what he has accomplished in the world cluttered with unwanted marketing, his memory deserves something special.

    I'm interested in your thoughts. What about a completely ad-free town? Is there a small town somewhere that is willing to go completely ad-free (maybe there already is one)?

    Maybe ad-free stretched of road (with anonymous sponsors)!!

    Perhaps a huge billboard that is perpetually kept empty (or has only news/info on it).

    Let's do something really good to commemorate this guy's vision.

    --
    *** Don't be dull.***
    1. Re:What should we do? by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 1

      We are. We'll keep using his filter. Maybe the maintainer of AdBlock Plus will attach a little dedication to it. That'd be nice.

      Now pardon me while I light a little candle at my Jon Postel memorial.

  20. Greatest...extension....EVER by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Adblock is the best thing about firefox. I'm so sick of having my browser rendered useless by slow loading java crap and malicious junk. Thanks for adblock, and condolences to the family.

  21. Somehow I imagine... by Hurricane78 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...some kind of Internet-equivalent of a statue built for him, and the creator(s) of the original AdBlock (of whose I can't even find the names :/).
    Without this little extension, the Internet would be unusable for me, and many, many other people.

    Any suggestions besides making AdBlock Plus a community project and maybe even integrate it into Firefox itself? (After all, I don't know a more important extension. If I would have to choose between having tabs and having ads blocked, I'd always choose the ad blocker.)

    --
    Any sufficiently advanced intelligence is indistinguishable from stupidity.
    1. Re:Somehow I imagine... by Gamma747 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I doubt ABP will ever be integrated into Firefox. Remember, Mozilla gets most of their funding from Google.

    2. Re:Somehow I imagine... by Bromskloss · · Score: 1

      If I would have to choose between having tabs and having ads blocked, I'd always choose the ad blocker.

      I... well, it surely wouldn't be very usable with only... but then again... no... wait!... NO... I can't work like this! GAAAAH!

      Oh, horrible nightmare, having to choose.

      --
      Swedish plasma phys. PhD student; MSc EE; knows maths, programming, electronics; finance interest; seeks opportunities
    3. Re:Somehow I imagine... by mattwarden · · Score: 1

      Dude, I know you think you're doing a good thing here, but he doesn't need you to immortalize him. He had his life, did some great things, and he has now passed on. The thought that something you do will help honor him is an exercise only in your own ego.

      I don't mean to come off as harshly as I probably am, but the bottom line is that someone is dead and that's not about you. The BS people are spouting in many of these comments has everything to do with their own conscience, guilt, personal feeling of what they're "supposed to do" and just about ZERO to do with what is good for the deceased or his family. So let's stop acting otherwise.

      This story is news because it affects you, not because someone is dead and that is sad. If we can all just admit that and stop acting so fake, maybe we could all focus on doing positive things in this life, like Rick did.

  22. AdBlock by bjorniac · · Score: 5, Insightful

    He made the world a little bit better for a whole lot of people, quietly and effectively. There's almost no higher purpose in life.

    1. Re:AdBlock by wolf12886 · · Score: 4, Informative

      If only this could be modded higher than 5

    2. Re:AdBlock by clockwise_music · · Score: 1

      Amen brother.

  23. Some details... by InvisiBill · · Score: 4, Informative

    From that post:
    It's with great sadness that have to announce the passing of a good friend and our EasyList author, Rick752. Rick had suffered a stroke on St Patrick' Day, and I was just informed that Rick had passed away last evening. During this short period, while hospitalized, Rick had his family very close by his side. There was some able communication and awareness between Rick and his family before his passing and although given this short period to "prepare" for the inevitable, this news (as with any of this type) is still quite shocking and difficult to accept.

  24. RIP by YeeHaW_Jelte · · Score: 1

    Rest in piece Richard, thanks for all the good work, strength to the family and relatives.

    --

    ---
    "The chances of a demonic possession spreading are remote -- relax."
  25. RIP my friend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I never knew you but as recently as Saturday I was bragging about your awesomeness.

  26. misleading headline by Nozsd · · Score: 1

    Rick wasn't one of the maintainers of Adblock Plus. He was the maintainer of Easylist, a filter list that works with ABP, and quite possibly the best one I might add.

    --
    When you have finished this cup of coffee your adventure will begin again.
  27. Re:Ditch MS Windows and set up an IP filter list by Shads · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've been using adblock plus for years now, and I can count the times I needed to disable it or allow something through it because a item or site I wanted to use wasn't working.

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    Shadus
  28. A sad farewell by Shads · · Score: 1

    A very sad farewell to the man who made the internet usable again. RIP.

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    Shadus
  29. No tears shed for intrusive advertising by Scutter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I read the article associated and all I heard from the content owners' side was "If you block our ads, we lose revenue!" It seems to me that if websites stopped using more and more intrusive ad techniques that people would be less likely to want to use ad-blockers. You already know your customers hate pop-ups, so the ads get blocked. Your answer is to use pop-unders instead, trying to circumvent the wishes of your target customer. You know they block half the ads on your site, so you double the ads and spread the content out over twice as many pages. Again, your customer has already told you what they want, but you insist that you know better.

    Seriously, I'm getting tired of website owners and advertisers continuing to whine about how we won't let them bug us. If you want me to look at your ads, stop making them annoy me so much! Stop using blinking, flashing banners (too bad the BLINK tag didn't take you with it when that died), stop using javascript banners that are as likely to infect my computer as not. Stop trying to "bundle" your adware with anything I want to install.

    If you make your ads play nice with me, I'll stop using ad-blocker software. I'll look at your ads and I might even buy something from them.

    --

    "Tell me doctor, with all of your defenses, are there any provisions for an attack by killer bees?"
    1. Re:No tears shed for intrusive advertising by goffster · · Score: 1

      If not an April fool's joke, I read that IE8 will
      accept firefox plugins. That will help put an end to "firefox blocking"

    2. Re:No tears shed for intrusive advertising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It would be interesting to test the hypothesis that ad blockers hurt revenue or sales. I suspect there is a Darwinian relationship that benefits everyone. The sort of moron that doesn't install an AdBlocker is exactly the kind of dim-witted fool that is most likely to buy the sort of crap being peddled by these vendors.

      Smart folks get less ads for crap they wouldn't buy anyway saving bandwidth for the ad publishers; asshats get the ads they deserve; vendors get in contact with just the asshats that are most vulnerable.

    3. Re:No tears shed for intrusive advertising by EvilIdler · · Score: 1

      I normally leave ads alone on Slashdot, but yesterday I got a popup. I don't remember what it was, and I don't fucking care. The ads are sometimes relevant on this site (but definitely not the Thai brides ad - that one has to go), but I'll start blocking them wholesale if I see more popups. Flash is evil, but popups are downright intrusive.

      (Yes, my browser blocks them automagically, but I can still bitch and whine!)

    4. Re:No tears shed for intrusive advertising by NetRAVEN5000 · · Score: 1

      I agree fully - but just think, what happens to the sites that *don't* do this? What about the ones that *don't* use blinky ads, pop-ups/pop-unders, and all that? AdBlock blocks all ads by default, so even the people who don't do the annoying ads and shady adware schemes get punished. I'm not saying that I blame anyone for using AdBlock - I'm just saying that not everyone trying to make money off of ads is contributing to that mess.

    5. Re:No tears shed for intrusive advertising by Five+Bucks! · · Score: 1

      The very people who use ABP are also the people who would never click on the advertisement to make a random purchase. Therefore, there is no revenue lost if it's a pay-per-click advertisement.

      People who provide content on the internet should expect that many viewers have no intention of spending money on the internet, save the monthly ISP bill. I, for one, do not see the internet as an extension of the shopping mall.

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    6. Re:No tears shed for intrusive advertising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Problem is with adblock plus that you block all the ads by default. I make my living from ads on webpages and I consider most of my pages to not be cluttered. A adsense-banner here and there. Absolutly no popups or popunders. I even stay away from flash most of the time (mostly because they suck compared to adsense).

      However, your approch to the problem is that I make zilch money. Thus I cant build web services for free anymore.

      Kinda sucks, doesnt it?

    7. Re:No tears shed for intrusive advertising by Kaboom13 · · Score: 1

      I have to agree. It's hard to feel sorry for them when they consistently act like such asshats. Annoying the shit out of your customers was never a good business model. It's stupid.

      Advertising has a place in society and business. After all, if you have a product that I want to buy, but I've never heard of it/don't know where to get it, it doesn't do either of us any good. How many of us have busted our ass on a project only to find out 6 months later there was a product out there that would have made it easy? I know many people that subscribe to trade magazines just for the ads. Tell me who you are, what your product is, and in concrete terms what it is good for.

      Most ads on the web completely fail at those tasks. They try to trick you into clicking, or annoy you into listening. they pop up, pop under, bounce around, cover the content. They play music, they move, they display images not appropriate for work settings, etc. Even if it was a product I wanted, they make me want to avoid doing business with the company. They treat the customer with no respect for their intelligence.

      Most website owners are just as guilty. They sign up to some obnoxious ad network, where they have no control over the ads on their site. I'm always amazed at the number of major web sites that have banner ads for sites that are essentially fraud. When you are a Fortune 500 company and your website is telling users "We have detected 57 spyware infections" and "click the monkey to win $20" with animated gifs, something is wrong.

      A good example of ads done right is Penny-Arcade. They insist on playing all the games and products they advertise in advance. They approve all the ads (and in many cases actually create the ads themselves) in advance. They make sure the ad is a good fit for their audience, and is something the audience will actually be interested in. The end result is good for their site, and good for the advertisers. They make way more money then they would off a banner network, and the advertiser gets way more impressions that actually has a chance at converting to a sale.

      It's the same thing with TV and radio advertising. You can make your ad clever, funny, or factual. Or you can make your ad annoying as hell and distort the sound to make it super loud. One type you will probably watch, or at least not actively avoid. They other has you scrambling for the remote. If the networks had any sense, they would tell the latter group to go take a hike, because all they are accomplishing is selling tivos.

    8. Re:No tears shed for intrusive advertising by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      If you make your ads play nice with me, I'll stop using ad-blocker software. I'll look at your ads and I might even buy something from them.

      The problem is that everyone has to do that, or no one will do it, because advertisers will only go where they can put their obnoxious ads. The reality is that the market has spoken -- we don't want to look at advertisements. Find another way to support your webpage. Affiliate programs, premium content, actually selling a product for which the site is an advertisement - there are numerous ways to support your content.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    9. Re:No tears shed for intrusive advertising by Ironchew · · Score: 1

      If you want me to look at your ads, stop making them annoy me so much! Stop using blinking, flashing banners (too bad the BLINK tag didn't take you with it when that died), stop using javascript banners that are as likely to infect my computer as not. Stop trying to "bundle" your adware with anything I want to install.

      You forgot to add, "Stop making me waste download time and bandwidth (especially if I have to pay for it) to download your ads. That's one of the most practical arguments in support of Adblock Plus.

    10. Re:No tears shed for intrusive advertising by Scutter · · Score: 1

      Kinda sucks, doesnt it?

      For you, maybe. Not for your readers. If you truly wanted your readers to support your site, you could either find alternative ways to advertise that didn't suck, or you could perhaps write a blurb that says "I only have two banner ads, I promise they won't flash or blink. Here's an entry for your Ad-Block that will allow you to see my ads and help support my site."

      If you respect your readers, they'll support you. If you bitch about how they're taking food out of your mouth, then they won't support you. It's as simple as that.

      --

      "Tell me doctor, with all of your defenses, are there any provisions for an attack by killer bees?"
    11. Re:No tears shed for intrusive advertising by slash.duncan · · Score: 1

      You are correct, but that's only the half of it. Ads don't tend to be aimed at actually /thinking/ people -- the advertisers prefer zombies they can program (by X repeated impressions, why else would they repeat as they do) to go buy that brand new car even tho they don't need it, and only just paid down the debt on their current car to the point it's now actually worth more than they owe on it. They want the fat ass they can program to continue to upsize the drink and add their deep-fried (fat) bacon (more fat) and cheese (more fat) potatoes (starch) to their fat dripping burger with fat-based mayo and cheese (more fat), that can then be programmed to buy the gym membership to burn off some of that fat because instead of biking to work they drive that new car that they just bought, all based on ads programming them to buy stuff they don't need and would be better off without.

      I've become convinced that's actually why the ads are so repulsive to thinking people. Not only are they not the target in the first place, but an actual thinking person is harder to please as a customer. They'll ask too many questions, demand too much for their money, or become offended, and everybody knows the LAST thing sellers want is offended customers telling others about it. Better some zombie they can continue to program how good the product is after they bought it by continued ads!

      Think about it! How else could ads possibly justify their cost -- but obviously they do, with at least some segment of the population! They convince easily programmed zombies that they NEED stuff they don't (or people would by buying without the ads), paid for with credit (more ads!), which is money they don't have, but can "rent" for a "small" fee! If people actually needed it, the ads wouldn't do any good!

      Now, think what kind of person with what kind of ethics and what kind of care for their fellow man it takes to be in the ad business!

      "Oh, but the poor site owners might go bankrupt without the ad revenue!" Yeah, and the million-dollar-lip-syncers and scandalous actors might disappear along with the **AA if we refuse to continue to pay for recordings of performances that happened years ago, that they should have been paid for then.

      Too bad, so sad! If there's one thing the FLOSS movement has demonstrated once again, if the enthusiasts web sites and music and community playhouses hadn't done a good enough job demonstrating it before, it's that there's plenty of people with plenty of talent and ideas and content out there to share, paid for it or not -- they'll even pay significant amounts out of their own pocket as hundreds of local garage bands do every time they do a gig for dinner and a few beers -- and while the world would certainly change if all the paid providers suddenly disappeared, arguably, it'd be a better place for it if the only folks left doing it were doing it for the love of the subject, not the love of money!

      --
      Duncan
      "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master,
      and if you use the program, he is your master."
      R Stallman
    12. Re:No tears shed for intrusive advertising by Matt+Perry · · Score: 1

      It seems to me that if websites stopped using more and more intrusive ad techniques that people would be less likely to want to use ad-blockers.

      I couldn't agree more. Advertisers were able to get together and develop standards for ad sizes for web pages. There's no reason they couldn't develop the same standards for acceptable content (no playing video or audio unless clicked; no flashing, blinking; etc). Until they do that, I'm happy to treat them like little children; One misbehaving advertiser means they all get blocked until they all can behave.

      --
      Slashdot: Failed Car Analogies. Amateur Lawyering. Anecdote Battles.
    13. Re:No tears shed for intrusive advertising by jafac · · Score: 1

      If party A (Advertiser) makes a deal with party B (Business running a website), that in exchange for money, party C will "behave in a certain way" (ie. view ads, and buy products) - without any agreement or consultation with party C (Customer); then that makes party A an idiot, and party B a lying scammer.

      This is independent of whether party C actually views ads or buys products; or whether party C avoids those ads.

      Now - there is an implied agreement by party C to party B on whether party C can view content while ads are filtered - but that's party B's problem. Because party C still has not agreed to squat.

      That makes party B ALSO an idiot, as well as a liar and scammer.

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    14. Re:No tears shed for intrusive advertising by meringuoid · · Score: 1
      If you make your ads play nice with me, I'll stop using ad-blocker software. I'll look at your ads and I might even buy something from them.

      I used to say that. But think it through. Suppose they do make their ads play nice - how will you know that they did? I haven't a clue what the internet looks like on the other side of my filters, and I'm not much inclined to try it and find out.

      --
      Real Daleks don't climb stairs - they level the building.
    15. Re:No tears shed for intrusive advertising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [...] I'm happy to treat them like little children; One misbehaving advertiser means they all get blocked until they all can behave.

      My daycare teacher, rather than punishing a misbehaving child by giving him 'time out' and telling his parents, would send us outside and lock all of us out of the daycare so that we couldn't interrupt her soap opera.

      The daycare later closed due to a lack of income. Our parents decided that their money could best be spent elsewhere (where it would actually benefit us, and therefore them).

      Our teacher needed the daycare's TV to view her shows, so without the daycare she was forced to find another source of entertainment.

      This isn't relevant in the slightest sense of the word, but your paragraph gave me a bit of nostalgia.

      Thanks!

  30. This means DONATE. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you liked the software, donate money to his family to help cover funeral costs, or donate money to the charity listed in his obituary, Community Hospice of Albany, as a last tribute to someone whose work you've enjoyed over the years.
     
    Someone else will maintain adblock plus. It could even be you!
     
    ...Though it'd be deliciously ironic as a Googler's 20% project.

    1. Re:This means DONATE. by Kell+Bengal · · Score: 1
      If I had mod points, I'd mod you +1 good idea. Remember the guy who had his wife sent a ton of flowers simply because he testified in a trial?

      Why not send this man's family some love too - he, and people like him, have diligently helped stem the tide of crap that floods the internet.

      He's earned a wreath marked "Our brother departed, loved and dear, told the world 'The ad stop here'."

      --
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      altslashdot.org: The future of slashdot.
    2. Re:This means DONATE. by mattwarden · · Score: 1

      If you liked the software, why didn't you donate when the guy was alive?

      You're playing on guilt.

    3. Re:This means DONATE. by noidentity · · Score: 1

      If you liked the software, donate money to his family to help cover funeral costs, or donate money to the charity listed in his obituary, Community Hospice of Albany, as a last tribute to someone whose work you've enjoyed over the years.

      Maybe we could run an ad asking for donations? Oh wait, I guess nobody who benefited from his list would see it...

    4. Re:This means DONATE. by atraintocry · · Score: 1

      Who's guilty? He's just "some random guy", right?

  31. Re:His legacy is that a lot of us enjoy surfing mo by DigitalSorceress · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Of course, it never quite occurrs to them that the more obnoxious they get with their ads, the more people who will resort to blocking technologies.

    Back when ads were just simple banner images without all the annoying pop-up, pop-under, flashing, and annoying sounds, I didn't really mind them. As they started adding those annoying features, I went out of my way to actively block them.

    From that point on, just about ANY ad on a web page (except for the non-annoying google text ones) pretty much turns me off from the advertiser... if I could see them which I pretty much don't due to the aforementioned blocking.

    By definition, anyone who is willingly blocking advertisements is probably among the vast majority of people who are NOT likely to click through anyway. If I were an advertiser, I'd be glad they were out of the pool. Of course, I'm pretty sure most web advertising providers charge by impression (cuz they'd go broke if they charged for actual results.

    The real money in Internet advertising isn't in having your ad be successful, it's in providing services to those who THINK they're going to make money advertising their wares.

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    The Digital Sorceress
  32. Re:Ditch MS Windows and set up an IP filter list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hulu, enough said.

  33. Re:first post! by sandmaninator · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...and getting the ashes caught in your beard, no less.

  34. Ok, I have a really tasteless on: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If future developers mess up AdBlock Plus, and he rolls in his grave because of it... would that be a Rick roll?

    (Posting anonymous for obvious reasons.)

  35. i notice you are attempting subliminal advertising by circletimessquare · · Score: 0

    by capitalizing YOU, LOL, PEANUT, and BALLS in an otherwise typical slashdot post of mediocre mindless negativity

    attempting to link the delicious flavor of peanuts with sexual enjoyment, oh advertising shill?

    your attempt to garner free advertising on slashdot has been noted. please do not mistake us for fools

    --
    intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
  36. Us Americans... by gbutler69 · · Score: 0, Troll

    ...need to completely FORGET ABOUT RETIREMENT! It isn't going to exist for anyone under 40. Plan on working until the day you die. As it should be.

    The last 1/2 century or so in which us Americans have enjoyed so much and had the reasonable expectation of a retirement of relaxation is unprecedented in history. It is gone, gone, gone!

    As energy becomes more and more scarce productivity WILL decline! Civilization is on the way out. We will be back to pre-industrial conditions within 100 years. Population will peak, and then decline. We will eventually become extinct.

    Enjoy your retirement!

    --
    Over-the-top Response Guy! Giving "Over-the-Top Responses" since 1970.
    1. Re:Us Americans... by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Take a deep breath and look at the long-term trends. Are housing values depressed? Sure, but only back to 2004 levels. Are stocks depressed? Yes, but only back to late 90s levels. It would suck if you were planning to retire this year, but prices will recover for those of us currently under 40. This isn't the end times, it's just a recession. Even the Great Depression ended eventually.

      --
      W..w..W - Willy Waterloo washes Warren Wiggins who is washing Waldo Woo.
    2. Re:Us Americans... by VJ42 · · Score: 1

      People have been saying that for hundreds of years

      --
      If I have nothing to hide, you have no reason to search me
  37. Yes, but a constructive suggestion... by Burz · · Score: 1

    I love it too, though sometimes I feel like the ads shouldn't be totally blocked (I won't say it's "conscience" because what many advertisers do is unconscionable).

    I started deploying it because all the Flash ads were bringing older computers to their knees, making them unusable on otherwise manageable web pages.

    If usability is the main concern for some users, maybe we should have the option of deciding how many ads are allowed per page... and let ABP randomly choose which ones to show.

    1. Re:Yes, but a constructive suggestion... by VJ42 · · Score: 1

      I love it too, though sometimes I feel like the ads shouldn't be totally blocked (I won't say it's "conscience" because what many advertisers do is unconscionable).

      I know how you feel, I've solved that moral problem by white listing sites that I find valuable enough to visit regularly. If they have non-annoying ads I leave them on my white list, but if they have some god-awful flash monstrosity or other eye sore they go straight back onto my ad black-list.

      --
      If I have nothing to hide, you have no reason to search me
  38. Some things simply can not be blocked by goffster · · Score: 1

    RIP Richard

  39. Well spoken BITHC !! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You go girl!

  40. time to rest brother. youve earned it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    EOM

  41. Here's to you, Mr. Ad-Block Filter Updater by wren337 · · Score: 1

    Real men of genius indeed. You will be missed.

  42. I'd like a few things cleared up by Bromskloss · · Score: 1

    And I think Slashdotters are the right people to ask.

    In short, if I want advertisement blocking, what should I install? More specific questions:

    • What is the difference between Ad Block and Ad Block Plus?
    • Do I need to get blacklists elsewhere or are they included in the above-mentioned extensions?
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    1. Re:I'd like a few things cleared up by Chad+Birch · · Score: 4, Informative

      Just install Ad Block Plus, after the Firefox restart associated with installing it, you'll get a popup asking you to choose a list. The default (which is EasyList, the one maintained by rick752) will do the job very well.

      --
      Sturgeon was an optimist.
    2. Re:I'd like a few things cleared up by Yosho · · Score: 4, Informative

      What is the difference between Ad Block and Ad Block Plus?

      Adblock Plus is faster, has more powerful filtering rules, and has a cleaner subscription mechanism. There is no reason to use the original Adblock any more. Go with ABP.

      Do I need to get blacklists elsewhere or are they included in the above-mentioned extensions?

      You do not need to manually download any blacklists. ABP supports subscribing to remote blacklists, which it will automatically update itself from. It will automatically suggest a few lists to subscribe to when you first install it.

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    3. Re:I'd like a few things cleared up by Bromskloss · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the answers.

      It will automatically suggest a few lists to subscribe to when you first install it.

      Ah, I now recall this from when I installed it. I also remember that I didn't know which one to choose. How do they differ? Isn't there one great list to rule them all?

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      Swedish plasma phys. PhD student; MSc EE; knows maths, programming, electronics; finance interest; seeks opportunities
    4. Re:I'd like a few things cleared up by hansamurai · · Score: 1

      The one list to rule them all is EasyList, formally maintained by the aforementioned deceased.

    5. Re:I'd like a few things cleared up by Artemis3 · · Score: 1

      At install, ABP gives you the option to subscribe to a filter list to keep the blocking rules updated. The first and most used option is Easylist, which was maintained by Rick.
      With adblock, you needed to have another plugin to self update the rules, called Adblock Filterset.G Updater which polled the rules for you.
      Apparently, Adblock is not maintained anymore. More details: http://adblockplus.org/en/history

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      Artix
      Your Linux, your init.
    6. Re:I'd like a few things cleared up by Orphaze · · Score: 1

      I was actually using regular Adblock until a week or so ago when Google ads started showing up on Slashdot and other sites. Try as I might, I was unable to create a filter to get rid of them.

      Adblock Plus took care of them instantly with the default list.

  43. No 'Funny' posts? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Comon this is slashdot! wheres the sarcasim?

  44. And in other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Livejournal user secksygrrl6969 has also passed away.

    I'm sure the internet will miss these two random internet nobodies.

    I, for one, am shedding a tear.

  45. UK consumers willing to block ads for free content by David+Gerard · · Score: 2, Funny

    60% of UK consumers are willing to browse with an ad-blocker in return for free videos, music and other content, a survey has revealed.

    "This willingness to pretend to view adverts in exchange for free content is good news for sites wanting to lie to advertisers, and is perhaps a pointer in the ongoing debate over whether advertising or subscription is the right revenue model," said Tudor Aw at KPMG.

    40% said they would pretend to accept popups, popunders, interstitials, Phorm, floating windows, Flash videos that start playing sound automatically, eye-gouging animations and 2o7.net cookies in exchange for free music. 16% said they would pay to avoid ads. The rest would continue to use BitTorrent or Mozilla Firefox with AdBlock.

    People were more willing to pay on mobile phones, unless they had a modern phone with which they could steal someone's WiFi connection.

    Google, the world's largest online advertising agency, said it was looking into tastefully-interspersed direct content advertising and brand placement, and added that you should PUNCH THE MONKEY TO WIN £20,000!!! If you know what's good for you.

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  46. Re:first post! by Cryophallion · · Score: 2, Funny

    I prefer Eli Stone, who used Chock Full O Nuts (which was symbolic.... and fitting).

  47. whoever modded this flamebait needs a DVD player by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It was a movie reference.

  48. Re:Ditch MS Windows and set up an IP filter list by MightyYar · · Score: 5, Informative

    So you click the big stop sign and then click "Disable on Hulu.com". You are seriously arguing that this is a problem?

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    W..w..W - Willy Waterloo washes Warren Wiggins who is washing Waldo Woo.
  49. Rolling... by NoName+Studios · · Score: 1

    I suppose he truly was Rick Rolling the advertising companies.

    I hope his work on the list was not causing him stress that led to his stroke.

  50. Somewhere... by sponglish · · Score: 1

    In the consensual hallucination that is cyberspace, there has arisen the shining, towering figure of rick752, his left hand raised in a gesture of defiance to the admen barbarians who would overrun the matrix.

    Thanks for your contribution Rick, if each ad blocked counted as ten seconds, you helped increase the total joie de vivre of millions by at least a century.

    Rest in peace, and condolences to your family.

    --
    "I improvise. It's my greatest talent. I prefer situations to plans..." --Wintermute, William Gibson's "Neuromancer"
  51. Devil's Advocate by mrops · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Trying to play Devils advocate.

    As a user of AdBlock plus myself, I do often wonder how many services that I perceive free have advert revenue behind them. Will we see these services disappear as usage of ad blocking tools continue when they cannot generate enough revenue?

    1. Re:Devil's Advocate by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Probably, but then so what? We pay for them now through the products that we buy. If a service has demand, then it will be provided at some price.

      Frankly, I think that they just need to be more clever about the ads. Display ads through the main server instead of directly from a 3rd party, change up the div names randomly to thwart the filters, more use of text ads, etc. This shouldn't be rocket science.

      If I were an advertiser, I'd offer to serve content as well as ads so that blocking the ad server also blocks the content server. Maybe I should patent this :)

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      W..w..W - Willy Waterloo washes Warren Wiggins who is washing Waldo Woo.
    2. Re:Devil's Advocate by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It is up to the advertisers to come up with a system that works, not up to the consumers to follow the advertisers' system. It is also up to the web sites to find a way to generate revenue. If throwing up ads aren't doing that, it is time for a new strategy.

      As of now a very low percentage of internet users are using ad blocking software, so I doubt it will become that big of an issue. But you never know.

      --
      "But this one goes to 11!"
    3. Re:Devil's Advocate by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 3, Informative

      I compromise: I allow static images through the filter with @@|$image

    4. Re:Devil's Advocate by Z00L00K · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Interesting question, but the need of adblock tools have originated from the excessive ads that takes over all resources and makes the ads the primary content and the page the secondary content.

      If the ads weren't so bad and stressing then the need for adblockers would be small.

      --
      If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker would destroy civilization.
    5. Re:Devil's Advocate by melikamp · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, well, they are getting smarter. Especially with video streams, they have an option of gluing the ad stream to the content, which would render ABP useless. But then again, there are other places to get your TV fix, completely ad free[1].

      Besides streaming, they have no hope. Just like with spam, but even more so, website ads are susceptible to filtering by content. It would be a nice project to have: a trainable plug-in which allows the user to mark ads by clicking on them (if they are objects) or by selecting pieces of text. If a well-trained filter can block, say, 95% of all ads on your favorite website, then you feel 20 times better and they are totally boned. What are they going to do?, post 20 times more ads?

      [1] Although the websites themselves may be littered with ads :)

    6. Re:Devil's Advocate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The secret stays in the amount of ads vs. useful material a website offer. When there were simple text ads or decently sized banners nobody thought of a way to block them; things changed when sites were filled with flashing stuff, animations, popups, multiple page articles etc.
      It's sad that also the few businesses making money from real content and unobtrusive advertising are hurt by ad filters, but they should blame who abused the web using every possible technology to hide the actual content behind the ads, not pissed off users.

    7. Re:Devil's Advocate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are ads on those sites?

    8. Re:Devil's Advocate by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      If a well-trained filter can block, say, 95% of all ads on your favorite website, then you feel 20 times better and they are totally boned. What are they going to do?, post 20 times more ads?

      No, you are right - I wasn't trying to imply that a single change would end the war... just saying that the war is far from over.

      I will say that the problem would be harder than spam if the content stream and ad stream were mixed together. With a spam message, you just chuck the whole thing if it looks spammy. If there were actual content among the spam messages, it would be exceedingly difficult to separate it out. And, if you did, the false positive rate would be annoying to the users.

      In any case, it would buy the advertisers a couple more years before the ad-blocking caught back up - at which point they could throw something else out there.

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    9. Re:Devil's Advocate by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 4, Insightful

      think that they just need to be more clever about the ads

      Yes... like stop the jumping jiggling flashing so fucking annoying that I can't actually read the content I went there to read. Personally I have nothing against ads being on the page I'm reading. But when they get annoying because of an extremely high 'look at me I'm annoying as hell' factor, I stop looking at that ad permanently with a filter. It is really a companies own fault if people filter out their advertisements after they hire an ad agency that they seem to think that the only way to sell on the Internet is to create ads that are the equivalent of the late night gizmo pitch men who yell at the top of their lungs with the most annoying voice imaginable. It might be possible that it is the web site owner's fault as well for allowing advertisements that annoy their users too.

      If the ad people who seem to think it is important to annoy you in order to make an ad 'work well', would get over that fallacy, people would leave the ads alone. I've seen a lot of very clever ads that have good old fashioned static images. But perhaps now-a-days, clever is being replaced by stupid blunt force trauma on the senses. Too bad, 'cause like grandma used to say, "You attract more flies with honey than with vinegar." I never figured out why she wanted to catch flies anyway.

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    10. Re:Devil's Advocate by Mordok-DestroyerOfWo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is how I rationalize it to myself. Not once have I intentionally clicked on an advertisement. By blocking them from my sight I am not depriving them of any clicks. By the same token flipping the channel while watching local TV doesn't make one a pirate because they're not watching the affiliate's commercials does it?

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      "Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right" - Salvor Hardin
    11. Re:Devil's Advocate by BrokenHalo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes... like stop the jumping jiggling flashing so fucking annoying that I can't actually read the content I went there to read.

      The worst ones are the frames (some javascript artifact?) that pop up and follow your cursor, hiding the content underneath. Adblock and flashblock just don't work on those things. Bastards.

      Fortunately, my hosts file kills some of them, but whoever came up with the idea needs to be pegged out on a beach at low tide.

    12. Re:Devil's Advocate by jonaskoelker · · Score: 2, Funny

      @@|$image

      perl: post27477037.pl, line 1: insufficient line noise.

    13. Re:Devil's Advocate by arth1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Probably, but then so what? We pay for them now through the products that we buy.

      This is very true, and if it wasn't for the rest of your post, I would have recommended a +1 Insightful. Advertising isn't money appearing from nowhere. Someone pays for the advertising. With less advertising, there will be more money left to actually enhance products, who will have to sell on merit, not hype. But the money will be spread out less, and those who live on siphoning advertising will see their revenue dry up. Again, so what. The money is still there, you just have to shift your siphons.

      If a service has demand, then it will be provided at some price.

      Mostly, yes. There might be legal or moral roadblocks, and there is the question whether "some price" equals "an affordable price".

      Frankly, I think that they just need to be more clever about the ads. Display ads through the main server instead of directly from a 3rd party, change up the div names randomly to thwart the filters, more use of text ads, etc. This shouldn't be rocket science.

      Do you really think that by forcing an ad on a user that has already demonstrated a strong desire not to see the ad, you will increase sales?
      If anything, I would think that this kind of action will alienate the potential customer even more, even to the point of triggering boycotts, both of the web site that engages in the practice and the products advertised through warfare.

    14. Re:Devil's Advocate by jesdynf · · Score: 2, Informative

      I've never used AdBlock — I just use NoScript. I'm not blocking based on content, I'm just enforcing tighter security on my computer.

      It cleanly kneecaps admonger arguments — static ads (I also disable animated gifs) and text ads display just fine, but you don't have my permission to run Flash, Java, or JavaScript on my system. And strangely enough, NoScript's control is finely-grained enough to give a site general permission to execute content without also granting access to skeevyads.cx and other bastions of consumer rights.

      (And I'd use NoScript even if it did none of those things, because the act of *not loading a PDF by default* has saved me hours and hours of dodging lockups and crashes.)

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    15. Re:Devil's Advocate by Paxton · · Score: 2, Informative

      The worst ones are the frames (some javascript artifact?) that pop up and follow your cursor, hiding the content underneath. Adblock and flashblock just don't work on those things.

      Try NoScript (noscript.net). It is a bit of a hassle until your trusted sites are added, but it sure saves a lot of trouble in the long run.

    16. Re:Devil's Advocate by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Do you really think that by forcing an ad on a user that has already demonstrated a strong desire not to see the ad, you will increase sales?

      I don't know :)

      I was just pointing out that the current model isn't dead yet - not by a long shot, not arguing for or against the merits of the current model.

      I would think that this kind of action will alienate the potential customer even more, even to the point of triggering boycotts, both of the web site that engages in the practice and the products advertised through warfare.

      You would think so, but someone is replying to all than spam! Indeed, humanity is weirder than I could have possibly imagined. Picture someone telling you in the late 80s that nearly everyone in the US would have an electronic mailbox that supported virtually any kind of electronic media, and that you would use it despite 95% of the incoming mail being ads with terrible misspellings for herbal drugs that make your penis grow... :)

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      W..w..W - Willy Waterloo washes Warren Wiggins who is washing Waldo Woo.
    17. Re:Devil's Advocate by Yuan-Lung · · Score: 1

      They just have to be smart about how the ads are posted. I don't really mind the single line text ad on the top of my gmail inbox. I sometimes click them if they happen to draw my interest. However, if a someone decides to make pop-up, animated, cursor/focus stealing, flashing, seizure/vomit-inducing, 10MB flash file, expect it to be blocked.

    18. Re:Devil's Advocate by Petronius.Scribe · · Score: 1

      Yahoo and Hotmail do that already, by appending an advert to any email you send.

    19. Re:Devil's Advocate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I never figured out why she wanted to catch flies anyway.

      So she could feed them to you.

    20. Re:Devil's Advocate by Thinboy00 · · Score: 1

      They're forcing a particular .sig? They're changing the email you send?? Who the fuck thought that was a good idea???

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    21. Re:Devil's Advocate by Thinboy00 · · Score: 1

      Seconded. NoScript also provides perfect clickjacking protection (but it's open source so don't sue if the author is wrong).

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    22. Re:Devil's Advocate by Thinboy00 · · Score: 1

      The "someone" you mention isn't an AdBlockPlus user.

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    23. Re:Devil's Advocate by Petronius.Scribe · · Score: 1

      To answer your questions: Yes. Yes. Marketing.

    24. Re:Devil's Advocate by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Trying to play Devils advocate.

      As a user of AdBlock plus myself, I do often wonder how many services that I perceive free have advert revenue behind them. Will we see these services disappear as usage of ad blocking tools continue when they cannot generate enough revenue?

      Only 6% of web users are responsible for ad revenue and I'm willing to bet its the dumbest 6%. So long as 6% of people are still viewing the ads free content is safe.

      Besides, for people who use adblock as it is aren't the target of the annoying "punch the monkey" ad's. A certain amount of advertising reaches me unsolicited, its mostly out of the way text ads by google and are easy to ignore. The most effective web based ad for me to date was in a travel forum, under the section labelled "Accommodation/Transportation" there was a link that said "sponsored by: * hotel" (Name of hotel changed to protect the innocent), I've stayed at that hotel twice already and plan to go back there again later this year.

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    25. Re:Devil's Advocate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You forgot "stupid"

    26. Re:Devil's Advocate by icsx · · Score: 1

      This is a fact. I have used internet for long time and my own personal feeling from ads turned from positive to way negative years ago. When i found AdBlock Plus and happen to use some of the sites from another temporarely pc which does not have it, i am amazed how full the screen is. The space that ads are covering is overwhelming. Some sites even have annoying moving ads as background! I cant stand that kind of crap.

    27. Re:Devil's Advocate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too bad, 'cause like grandma used to say, "You attract more flies with honey than with vinegar." I never figured out why she wanted to catch flies anyway.

      Fruit flies can be a real pain. To catch them, you need vinegar (I don't think it would work with honey). Apparently, they like the sour taste...

    28. Re:Devil's Advocate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you were willing to pay for the content I wouldn't need to display all the ads. And the more ads you block the more ads I need to display in order to keep my revenue covering my costs.

    29. Re:Devil's Advocate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Will we see these services disappear as usage of ad blocking tools continue when they cannot generate enough revenue?

      probably

      and probably something else will take its place that is just as useful and has no ads.

    30. Re:Devil's Advocate by Peter+Cooper · · Score: 1

      I agree, and when that occurs there'll be a lot more payola, bribed reviews, and "product placement" directly into content than there is now. Sure, it already goes on, but it'll be rife if advertising revenues dry up.

      Thanks ad blockers for making content even worse than it already is. Congrats!

    31. Re:Devil's Advocate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, that's simply fascinati..... Zzzzzzzzz *snore*

    32. Re:Devil's Advocate by NecroBones · · Score: 1

      Absolutely agreed. I've been content to allow ads through for years, but finally I saw one too many flashing ad, and one too many weight-loss ad with a protruding gut. I have one of my own, I don't need to see them when reading articles.

      I've never been bothered by articles in printed magazines. It's these flashing and animated ones that drive me batty, and make me not want to even visit the websites in the first place!

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    33. Re:Devil's Advocate by Geminii · · Score: 1

      Not to mention that you're also decreasing unnecessary load on the advertiser's servers.

  52. Egotism vs Egoism by brian0918 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You must make a distinction between the egotist and the egoist. The first boasts to his friends and holds their opinions of himself above his own. The second looks to himself for his inspiration and motivation. They both claim "pride", but the former is a false pride. You can expect the first to manipulate/lie to others when it is convenient to do so. The latter would not even conceive of it - not because of some commandment that must be followed, but simply because it would never come to mind.

  53. I used to maintain an /etc/hosts file by Lilith's+Heart-shape · · Score: 1

    But Firefox and Adblock Plus made that unnecessary -- which made my life a hell of a lot easier.

    1. Re:I used to maintain an /etc/hosts file by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      While it is true that not having to keep a HOSTS file makes life easier even for a techie, and this is the part I always have trouble explaining to the Linux guys, picture yourself in the shoes of the average user. Not some PC geek, or even somebody who loves tech, but somebody who simply wants to get his "magic box" to work so he can do his job and go home. To those folks a HOSTS file and trying to deal with it is simply too strange and difficult, whereas with Adblock Plus I simply tell it to subscribe to the list and everything is done FOR them. It completely takes the knowledge and work out of their hands which is why they like it and FF3 with Adblock Plus is such an easy sell.

      Now if I could only get the Linux guys to accept that saying "Open up Bash and type.." to these users is the same as typing "please throw your computer in the trash because it is too complex for you to use Luser!" then maybe one day I will actually be able to sell Linux boxes in my shop. But with any tool I am evaluating for my users the FIRST question I ask myself is "Okay, I know absolutely nothing about PCs. Can I operate this with as little interaction or knowledge of PCs as possible" and if the answer is no then my customers will never see it. Just because we geeks can do things like CLI and edit HOSTS files doesn't mean that Helen homemaker could. I set up the computers I sell to where they simply flip the switch and go. No need to fiddle with AV or antispyware or updates or anything else. I make usability Job #1 and that is why I still have customers while the shop down the street will soon be closing its doors.

      If the FOSS advocates were to design more tools and maybe even Linux with the ease of Adblock Plus and FF3 then guys like me wouldn't have any problem selling it and FOSS would spread across the landscape like wildfire. We geeks just tend to forget that just because it is easy for US does NOT mean it is easy for THEM. And that is one thing we must never lose sight of. But my heart goes out to his fam. It really is the little guys like Rick that make tools like Adblock Plus easy for the masses. RIP.

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  54. Re:first post! by uberjack · · Score: 1

    We're scattering the FUCKIN' ashes!

  55. amazing coincidence! by JernejL · · Score: 1

    What an amazing coincidence: a day ago the original adblock became unsupported after latest firefox patch upgrade..

  56. Re:first post! by zbharucha · · Score: 1

    Good night, sweet prince.

  57. Re:first post! by angelwolf71885 · · Score: 0

    and all over your bowling shirt no less on a side note..it was a nice rug =]

  58. Re:His legacy is that a lot of us enjoy surfing mo by muridae · · Score: 1

    Simple banner ads, text or even animated gifs, usually get a pass on my system, but only on sites I like. My favorite webcomics and novels have their advertisers allowed, as long as they are just pictures and texts.

    Strangely, as people who are profiting from the ads, those artists and authors also want to not annoy their readers. They know that, as the ads get more annoying, the readers start to block them, and the ratio between ad hits and page views starts to separate. The advertisers do not see that. They might, if they really pay attention, notice that their views are going down. But they can attribute that to the website becoming less popular and therefore worth less advertising dollars. Or because the website is only showing their ad some of the time. Basically, they can create in their heads any number of reasons that it is 'not their fault'.

  59. This does underscore one flaw in OSS by rAiNsT0rm · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm a big fan of both this project and the Open Source movement in general, but this does show off one major flaw in the system. Just like the proverbial bus that is so widely feared and runs down IT folks everywhere, many projects are small and while there may be many contributors there is one main person whom without the project would fail. When that person meets that proverbial bus, in an instant a widely used and relied upon piece of software can become dead as well. That's a major problem.

    If things were truly born of chaos like we seem to think, these things would have no impact... but there is still a major underlying structure and hierarchy to this "chaos" and it is quite fragile.

    The biggest barrier is ego, quickly followed by celebrity. It is hard for the creator of some neat widget to give up total control and truly step back and just share the success with those who hopped onto "their" project after the fact, but that is what needs to happen. There should never be less than two individuals at every level of a serious project, and both need to be fully competent... but that is not the case, even in very large projects.

    * Oh, and give up on bashing the people who are concerned about what this means as to updates/life of the project... none of us were his good friend and the question is not callous or insensitive.

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    1. Re:This does underscore one flaw in OSS by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm a big fan of both this project and the Open Source movement in general, but this does show off one major flaw in the system.

      No, it really doesn't, there has already been an announcement that several maintainers are in the running and one will be announced shortly. This will probably not affect anyone who doesn't know the guy personally at all. Nothing to see here from a technical, use perspective.

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    2. Re:This does underscore one flaw in OSS by rAiNsT0rm · · Score: 1

      Sorry, but you are wrong. Maybe not in this instance but too many major projects have single points of failure in their structure. It IS a problem, and ignoring it is not the solution.

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    3. Re:This does underscore one flaw in OSS by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I'm a big fan of both this project and the Open Source movement in general, but this does show off one major flaw in the system.

      No, it really doesn't

      Sorry, but you are wrong. Maybe not in this instance

      It's too bad you don't speak English. We're talking about this instance right now: "but this does show off one major flaw in the system". No, this does not. Whether the flaw is there or not, THIS occurrence does NOT show it off.

      See sig. Do not return until you come with your wits, I despise a battle with the unarmed.

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    4. Re:This does underscore one flaw in OSS by chammy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      At least it's still open source! If a commercial project was struck dead by a company going bankrupt, it would be gone, not just dead. I would prefer missing the developer over missing the entire project anyday.

    5. Re:This does underscore one flaw in OSS by rAiNsT0rm · · Score: 0, Troll

      Wow, your pretty high and mighty for someone named "drinkypoo." I think I'll sit out a battle of wits with you.

      If you can't see that *This* instance, this one right here, the one in the article, today, shows the possibility for problems then you are pretty mentally deficient. In fact, you don't know what REAL repercussions this will actually have despite what others have said or think will come of it. Just like when someone seemingly insignificant leaves a company and then all of a sudden the realization that they had or did some critical thing that no one can now do or access.

      But, nevermind, there is no problem and this hasn't already happened in the past and will surely never happen again. Christ. Gimme a fuckin break shit eater.

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    6. Re:This does underscore one flaw in OSS by Dr.+Spork · · Score: 1

      I'd be happiest if the job of maintaining a filter list were more widely distributed now. Maybe the next version of Adblock+ should have a menu item that not only lets you add custom filters to block things, but you also get a "this object is an ad" option. Selecting it would update a database somewhere on Sourceforge or whatever. Then list developers could comb through the reports and quickly verify which are ads.

      This would leave most of the discovery of unlisted ads to the users of the internet, while not putting any sort of extraordinary burden on them (two clicks).

    7. Re:This does underscore one flaw in OSS by rAiNsT0rm · · Score: 1

      It also eliminates any bias or other negative impact that can come from a single person in a particular role. Even with apps being open source, most users do not take the time to comb through an exhaustive list to notice/uncover any sort of shenanigans that could be easily added/removed to match their cause.

      This guy had even mentioned how much bribery and money is at stake here.

      Moving things into more of a truly chaotic and amorphous blob can only help in the long run, it takes that "many eyes" theory to the next level.

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    8. Re:This does underscore one flaw in OSS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They don't need to give up anything and if the project was truly successful and widely used, someone would step up to continue it. They can have people on their staff capable enough to maintain the project without giving them total power over it.

  60. "Turned Off"..... by IHC+Navistar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    FTFA:

    "Just imagine, they argue, what television programs would be available if there were no commercials to fund their production. "

    -TV show funding comes from the corporations that provide the financial backing from a variety of sources, not just advertising. Plus, the advertising products through ads isn't the only way companies let people know about their products. I can go to several sites and look to see what's new and available. You can use many ways of finding out about products on the Internet at anytime. On TV, you can only watch either the program or the advertisements at any one time. You can change the channel, but you will be watching something other than what you wanted to watch in the first place.

    Advertisers should take note: If someone creates a way to NOT look at ads, and the means of blocking the ads are being adopted by more and more users, then that is a *VERY* strong sign that people do not want to see the ads. If people are blocking the ads, then advertisers should understand that whether they show the ads or not, people are most likely NOT going to buy the product or service being advertised. Companies will save money by not wasting it on advertising products that are not going to be bought, and consumers will go to places where they can voluntarily look for a product or service on their own, without having an ad shoved in their face.

    People are most likely going to buy things when they need or want them, and when they do, they'll go looking for them. When you walk up to someone and constantly try to sell them something that they weren't looking for in the first place (think TRADE SHOWS), you'll definitely piss them off to some degree and they probably won't but it. Ever get annoyed by people begging for a handout outside a business's doors? That's exactly what ad companies are doing, except advertising on the internet it the equivalent of following you throughout the store and continually giving you sales pitches the entire time you're there. Whiny kids are bad enough, but a salesman attached to your back like a remora is even worse.

    Anyways, maybe less TV shows for people to watch would mean more people going outside and having some good, old-fashioned fun as a source of enjoyment.

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    1. Re:"Turned Off"..... by meringuoid · · Score: 1
      "Just imagine, they argue, what television programs would be available if there were no commercials to fund their production. "

      Well, for a start, there'd be Doctor Who, Life on Mars, and the spinoffs thereof; almost every decent comedy series ever aired from Monty Python through to The Office; the entire 40-odd year David Attenborough world tour of all of ecology and zoology; and God only knows how many period dramas where 90% of the budget went on costumes.

      But there would be a definite shortage of Big Brother, I'll give them that.

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    2. Re:"Turned Off"..... by hab136 · · Score: 1

      "Just imagine, they argue, what television programs would be available if there were no commercials to fund their production. "

      -TV show funding comes from the corporations that provide the financial backing from a variety of sources, not just advertising.

      Originally TV shows were funded by a certain sponsor. "Now back to StupidRandomShow, brought to you by CrappyProduct, the Product with Zing!". It's rather difficult to block that, and it's not terrible intrusive in the first place. There's also public television, which in the UK is quite good.

      Besides advertising, the other obvious model is subscription television. Perhaps over some sort of cable. Oh wait, they tried that, and then decided to be greedy and have the subscription revenue AND advertising fees. Cable and satellite (which is the majority of TV now anyways) could return to subscription-fee-only.

      DVDs, children's toys, t-shirts, fan clubs, ringtones, etc are all ways to make money from TV shows without advertising.

      I think the problem with these last few is that they make money for the *show*, not for the television station. We'd have to switch to a model where TV stations sell airtime, and the shows sell other stuff and buy the airtime. TV stations don't want that because then the shows would buy internet "air time" instead.

  61. Re:first post! by Rip+Dick · · Score: 2, Funny

    it really brought the room together...

  62. Re:whoever modded this flamebait needs a DVD playe by ssintercept · · Score: 1

    This will not stand, ya know, this aggression will not stand, man.

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  63. Re: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I didn't use his filters, nor Ad Block Plus; but the fact that he worked for the benefit of a lot of people who he didn't even know is marvelous.

    His family should be proud.

    Rest in peace.

  64. Do Gs go to heaven, too? by oldhack · · Score: 1

    Don't know jack about the guy, but just wanted to say thanks.

    Times like these, when so many crooks are getting away with so much in broad daylight, makes me reflect on him and others like him who quietly keep on to stick it to the fucked-up system.

    How did he die?

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  65. Re:first post! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are you referring to your own neckbeard, sandmaninator? Go back to Wean Hall.

  66. Or do what I did... by Lilith's+Heart-shape · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...when I had my own shitty little website where I posted the shitty little stories I used to write: pay the hosting bill by working a day job. Again, the need to depend on advertising, subscriptions, donations, or a day job is not my concern. I don't run a website; I just use them. If I find your ads obnoxious, I will block them without apology.

  67. Re:Ditch MS Windows and set up an IP filter list by Deagol · · Score: 1

    What? I use Adblock Plus on Firefox 3, and Hulu works just fine. I don't see the ads, though I do see the nag screen.

  68. Internet thievery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A useless over-hyped invention designed to steal revenue from website maintainers. If you don't want to look at advertisements, don't use the website. That, or send them money directly to make up for it. Every single person who uses this only hurts their favorite websites.

    Nothing is free. Stop thinking you have the right to make it that way.

  69. Condolences, and thanks by squarooticus · · Score: 0, Troll

    Unlike most of you blood-sucking parasites, Rick did something that enriched the lives and enhanced the productivity of millions of people every day. Most of you are nothing but a waste of bits: fuck you.

    Rick: I'm sorry I didn't know you, but to say that I appreciated your work would be a massive understatement. Virtually single-handedly, you made the web usable by eliminating the distractions and allowing the content to shine through. RIP.

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    1. Re:Condolences, and thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Angry much?

      A shame Rick only contributed to the downfall of websites by stealing revenue from harder-working website developers and maintainers. Which you contribute to by using it.

    2. Re:Condolences, and thanks by squarooticus · · Score: 1

      stealing revenue

      Representing content on the client I own in the way I choose to view it is not stealing. Stop asserting that it is.

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    3. Re:Condolences, and thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But it is. You're using that website's bandwidth and content, and in return they expect you to view and possibly click the ads to help support their site. By blocking them, you are effectively pirating the content.

      The solution is that if you don't want to view the ads, don't visit that website. Period.

    4. Re:Condolences, and thanks by squarooticus · · Score: 1

      Sorry, but no: it's my client, and I can view the content any way I wish. If they don't want people viewing the content in non-standard viewers, they can try to lock it down to DRM'ed clients; that said, heretofore attempts to restrict content to DRM'ed clients have generally failed.

      Using open standards and allowing open access is one of the prices you pay for making content that people actually want to view.

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    5. Re:Condolences, and thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What they expect and what they get are two different things.

  70. Creativity to be promoted on commercial TV by David+Gerard · · Score: 1

    Viewers will have the opportunity "to see more of our finest creative advertising minds at work" under proposals put forward by Ofcom to deal with the drop in television advertising revenue.

    The report notes: "The advertising industry is powerfully adept at producing thirty-second immaculately-constructed visual masterpieces, perfect for the modern on-the-go citizen. We also hope to bring long-form works to the viewer, which they presently must seek out themselves on home shopping channels. We feel this will alleviate the monotony of shows such as The X Factor."

    Broadcasters are currently restricted to showing an average of eight minutes an hour of advertising during peak times, amounting to a maximum of 40 minutes across the five-hour period. The new plan involves eight minutes an hour of programming, amounting to a maximum of 40 minutes across an evening.

    "We want to ensure that viewers continue to benefit from a wide range of advertising-funded television services. We feel there is no prospect of this backfiring, as it's not as if there's any alternative to television," said the preliminary report, which is also available on YouTube and BitTorrent.

    "Ofcom has taken on board our opinion that any suggestion of 'regulatory capture' by the bodies it is meant to set the rules for is piffle," said Channel Four. "But we understand these moves are controversial, and strongly suggest people call in with their opinion on our 0900 line, at only 95p a minute."

    "Oh dear, what a pity, never mind," said a BBC spokesman, opening champagne.

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  71. From the article by thewils · · Score: 1

    Just imagine, they argue, what television programs would be available if there were no commercials to fund their production.

    I imagine fewer and better programs.

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  72. Let me just say this by GenePoolFairy · · Score: 1

    Rest In Peace.

  73. Ok... what if come could behave? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I understand the business model, and the effect of ad blockers on legitimate revenue. But I also hate the goddamn intrusive ads. If everyone did it like Google, Adblockers wouldn't have had such widespread use.

    What if, some people got together and decided on some acceptable standards... one ad per page, certain size, no animation, at the top/bottom and not mixed in with content, etc., that would be acceptable. Then programs like ABP could give users an option to block everything, or to allow ads from the sites that adhere to the 1-ad-per-page standards?

  74. Re:Ditch MS Windows and set up an IP filter list by Shads · · Score: 3, Informative

    No, actually I was arguing the opposite, but managed to delete the "I've had to do this on one hand." part somehow while I was editing.

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  75. loot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    did he drop any good loot?

  76. Re:first post! by NeverVotedBush · · Score: 1

    The Dude abides... ;-)

  77. It's not the website that annoys me. by Lilith's+Heart-shape · · Score: 1

    It's not the website itself that I find annoying, but the ads. All ads. Everywhere. I stopped watching TV because of ads, but I'm not going to let ads drive me off the internet.

  78. Murder? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Could he have died from foul play?

    There are a lot of ways of killing someone that could seem to be "illness".

    The product he worked on costs a lot of powerful people a lot of money.

  79. you used his code and did not thank him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    can you do that much now?

    Of course, henry ford died too, and you use the automobile today, but henry ford made money and made the thousands of cars to make money.

    Rick, I'm not sure money was his motivation.
    And he spent time that he could have made more money with and spent with his family.

    He gave up those things willingly, knowing that someone had to do the job and it needed to be done.

    The thing you miss is that you should have read about this fellow, and thanked him in an email, at least once, all the while you used his code.

    Did you do that?
    If you did not, you may use the most sophisticated jargon, the most "logical" viewpoint and the most nerdy explanation, but that doesn't change the fact that character and emotion was displayed amply by that party and was not reciprocted by this one. The law will not touch you or even look at you, but so will not anyone else when you are in trouble even if you've done a lot of good to the world.
    Your day might come *exactly* similarly, where you work work work for people and the young blood of that day will post on the slashdot of that day, that he doesn't really need to thank you or know you.
    Maybe that brash kid of that day of that slashdot really has no obligation. But this will happen in exactly this way.
    If you choose that cold existence, you get it, simple.
    An alternative is to send a thank you email to everyone whose code you have used for free.

    Fair demand. If you then do not feel bad when he dies, well, your personal preference. But thank him, you must, to be called fair.

  80. Re:Ditch MS Windows and set up an IP filter list by lethargic8 · · Score: 1

    I love that you think blocking adds on biggest and most successful attempt to bring content directly and legally to the internet is something people should be proud of. Don't be retarded, ad revenue is the only way Hulu will stay alive.

  81. The extensions you need for Firefox. by caluml · · Score: 1

    The answer is simple. AdBlock Plus, and Flashblock. That'll make your browsing pleasant again. NoScript will make it safer. Cookie Monster to limit what sites put cookies on your system. And OldBar to get rid of that fucking awful "Awesome Bar" that has been inflicted upon us in Firefox 3.

    1. Re:The extensions you need for Firefox. by thejynxed · · Score: 1

      I would also suggest Better Privacy to get rid of those worthless LSO "cookies" that websites using Flash add, and Flash pretending to delete them via the Flash control panel, but really doesn't. Flashblock does not prevent these "cookies" from being put on your computer either, and neither does NoScript. Just having the Flash plugin installed/enabled for your browser allows a site to set one.

      I have storage set to 0kb, etc in the Flash control panel, but these things still get set. Quite often the query contained (other than the current Flash meta-data) is "What has this browser last shown via Flash?" IMHO, nunya f'ing beeswax.

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    2. Re:The extensions you need for Firefox. by Thinboy00 · · Score: 2, Informative

      You can just Tools->Options (or Edit->Preferences) and then Privacy tab->Cookies->Keep until I close Firefox. You can then use the exceptions button or even the "site info" dialog box to decide who gets to give you permanent cookies. No extension needed!

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  82. You mean ... by mebrahim · · Score: 1

    he is not murdered?!

    1. Re:You mean ... by mjwx · · Score: 1

      he is not murdered?!

      he was not murdered.

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  83. And the REAL Question is [Was:Devil's Advocate] by mdm42 · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    OK, so a whole bunch of stuff is funded/supported by ad-based revenue. Let's assume that enough of the rest of you start using Adblock+ and its relatives, and they all go under. (I've been using it as long as I can remember. It's occasionally a shock to use someone else's browser and realise what they have to put up with!)

    So a bunch of big-ish website vanish. the real question is: who cares? Will we really, truly miss them? Or will Mom and Pop Sixpak get off their butts and start contributing content. Or will they simply ditch The IntarWeb and go back to watching TV.

    Win, win, either way!

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  84. Re:His legacy is that a lot of us enjoy surfing mo by petermgreen · · Score: 1

    Then google comes along and finds that well targeted unobtrusive text adverts work well enough to support it's services and starts offering them as a service to other websites.

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  85. Re:Ditch MS Windows and set up an IP filter list by Archfeld · · Score: 1

    C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\etc\hosts
      include :
    127.0.0.1 ad.doubleclick.net # dead end ad server
      and Viola...2/3rds of your problems go 404

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  86. Re:Ditch MS Windows and set up an IP filter list by Deagol · · Score: 1

    That's not my problem. I don't even own a TV, so it's not like I can't live without Fringe and Terminator. If the rest of the TV junkies want to pay for my freeloading because they can't find something interesting to do in the absence of TV programming, more power to them.

    The content providers are already catching on. Knight Rider is one big Ford ad. Terminator is a Dodge ad. And Fringe is a Dell ad. It's not too conspicuous, so all is good for now. If the shows are really interesting, I may even invest in the DVD sets once the series has run its course. The networks make a ton from merchadise licensing: that cool Spaceballs Flamethrower, CSI Forensic kits for kids, sountracks, Valentines Day cards, and branded folders for school-kids. I can't go anywhere without having to endure the sight of fraking Hannah Montana tripe, so don't tell me merchandising isn't making someone some major coin!

    But I won't tolerate incessant bliverts for the sake of pimping my eyeballs to the networks. I know what I want/need in my purchasing habits; I don't need them pre-programming me with brand recognition. Sure, that doesn't help Hulu... yet. In the future, when more people ditch the absurd habit of actually paying directly for cable and satellite (and watching ads, as a bonus!), the content producers will be starving for exposure, and *they* will be the ones paying the likes of Hulu to promote their precious franchises.

    Ads are evil. They really are. There are other more ethical ways to make money from content creation, and these companies will eventually have to face that particular reality.

  87. Ask not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...for whom the bell tolls.
    It tolls for thee.

  88. Home page of easylist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://easylist.adblockplus.org/

  89. Re:Remembering by symes · · Score: 1
    I don't think I agree - the internet is very transient and it is all to easy for people to forget those who have contributed more than most. In other walks of life people have statues built, roads, buildings and hospitals named after them. Their portrait painted posthumously. And so on.

    Surely there's enough reason for a site that extols the virtues of those who have contributed significantly, dead or alive, to what is possibly one of the most important technological changes in recent years? Somewhere that people could go and understand something of the history of the internet and find out more on the personalitites that helped take things forward.

    Without it there's the chance that effort, intelligence and creativity will just be forgotten and all people will remember is Tim Berners-Lee.

  90. Re:Remembering by mattwarden · · Score: 1

    I'm not really questioning the value of historical record. I'm only questioning the knee-jerk emotional reaction when someone suggests something like this because someone just died.

  91. Re:Devil's Advocate... loss of revenue? by davidsyes · · Score: 1

    If it is the will of the gods. If no, then maybe he will not be added but blocked from Heaven.... If he makes it to Heaven, then maybe we'll know the money IS the root of (almost) all evil...

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  92. "rick752" Petnel is a Hero. Thank You sir. by Jackie_Chan_Fan · · Score: 1

    I would like to say Thank You to "rick752" Petnel's family and that I personally admire and respect him for his contributions. He will be missed and remembered as a Hero.

  93. Bandwidth and electricity saved by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The article mentions that many companies who depend on revenue are hurting as a result of these content pirates, but no one seems to be talking about the bandwidth and electricity saved by blocking these ads.

  94. tin foil hat time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is a little strange that this maintainer passed away, AND this other fellow who created the excellent Proximotron also died years ago.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxomitron

    They were both quite young... Could the advertising industry have had anything to do with this?

    I am joking of course.

  95. Re:Ditch MS Windows and set up an IP filter list by clockwise_music · · Score: 1

    I've been using it for years as well, and I don't think that I've ever had to disable it because a site wasn't working.

    The list that Rick put together was fabulous. I haven't seen an ad on the internet in years. A couple of weeks back I wanted to try out another browser... (chrome/opera) but both of their ad blocking wasn't as substantial as the great list that Rick as been maintaining.

    Real shame, the guy was doing some great work. Credit where credit is due!

  96. R.I.P Rick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your list is the definitive ad blocking list. Thanks for all the work. Rest In Peace, Dear Friend.

  97. Re:Ditch MS Windows and set up an IP filter list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What? Opera's ad-blocking is at least as good as Firefox's.

  98. Would you not pay? by bradley13 · · Score: 1

    While "free" is great, there are services I would pay for - heck, there are services I want to pay for. I would be much happier knowing that the service is making money from its users rather than wondering what sort of back-room deals are keeping them afloat.

    Here's an example: OpenDNS. Great service, I recently installed in for a small company. There isn't even an option to pay for the service. So just what does OpenDNS get out of providing their service to this company? It bothers me - I keep wondering what the catch is...

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  99. Rest in peace by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's no ads in heaven!

  100. Re:Ditch MS Windows and set up an IP filter list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No. As he said. I *can* count the times. As in "it's happened so infrequently, I can specifically enumerate each instance". It's a compliment.

  101. No ads day by cpghost · · Score: 1

    I'm interested in your thoughts. What about a completely ad-free town? Is there a small town somewhere that is willing to go completely ad-free (maybe there already is one)?

    Perhaps not real towns, but how about a rick752 Memorial Day, where website owners take down their ads completely? Something like a no ads day?

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  102. Re:Ditch MS Windows and set up an IP filter list by MightyYar · · Score: 1

    Yea, Slashdot consensus - is there anything more sublime? :)

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  103. He dieD by AP31R0N · · Score: 1

    Past tense, not infinitive. He doesn't die regularly or all the time. He died just the one time.

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  104. I have to disagree on this one hairyfeet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "To those folks a HOSTS file and trying to deal with it is simply too strange and difficult, whereas with Adblock Plus I simply tell it to subscribe to the list and everything is done FOR them." - by hairyfeet (841228) on Monday April 06, @01:48PM (#27478575)

    Here? I have to disagree w/ you hairyfeet (though I complimented you earlier today, here -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1189359&cid=27490785 & agreed w/ you, completely)... to quote my pal Jack (avg. PC user really, & one who USED to get 200++ malware infestations weekly no less, but not anymore), whom I mentioned in that URL?

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    "Editing a HOSTS file is easy, once you understand how the IP-to-URL equations in it work, & is as simple as using notepad.exe to edit it which is easy, IF you can read English @ least"

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    Of course, there are prebuilt & updated (kept current) HOSTS files out there too, which users can download & use easily enough!

    (An example being that of mvps.org & others as well)...

    They are there for users... that is, IF maintaining it themselves is beyond their means, abilities, OR time-constraints (stopbadware.org is a good place for that though)...

    APK

    1. Re:I have to disagree on this one hairyfeet by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      Uuuhh....Kinda missed the part where I said 'average user" there? Most folks don't know anymore about a PC than they do a toaster. they push the button and either it works or it don't. They don't WANT to learn, because talking geek crap gives them a headache and is like speaking kilgon to these people. hell I bet if you stopped 100 folks on the street i doubt you would even find five who knew what an IP address WAS, much less how to edit a HOSTS file to selectively block certain websites.

      That fact that you were able to teach your buddy and more telling that he is able to use Process Explorer without boning something like lsass or csrss tells me that your buddy is actually smart. More importantly he was willing and able to learn and grasp technology. Sadly from 15 years in the biz I can tell you he is in a VERY tiny majority. Most folks are smart in their area of expertise and frankly have no desire whatsoever to learn new things in other fields. let me give an example from my own family, no less. My dad is a master electrician. he can tell you anything you would ever want to know about voltages and wiring and capacitance, etc. I had to build him a new PC recently. I gave up even trying to explain what he was getting because before I even got to the processor he held up his hand and said "Will it run quickbooks and my lighting software and do it fast?" when I said yes he handed me a blank check and said go do it.

      The point is with something like a HOSTS file you have to WANT to know how such things work. Otherwise you will inevitably run into a site that doesn't work for one reason or another and you will have NO way to fix it other than calling some guy like me and paying for a service call. With Adblock Plus they simply right click and pick "allow". That's it. No need to know anything about IP addressing, or editing HOSTS files, or even how the Internet works at all. It is beyond simple for those that know little about tech and just want to use the machine to do a job.

      I have a graphic artist down the hall that summed it up perfectly. I told him he could pay me $50+ for the parts + change a cap or two in a nice motherboard I had(he is an ex NASA engineer) or he could sit there for 40 minutes and let me teach him a little CLI for fixing his network problem. He said "Good God, why would I want to do that? I have graphic work that I like to do. I also like working with caps and resistors. I absolutely HATE all that stupid command stuff. It is boring and a PITA. I'm sure that you will set something up so I will NEVER have to deal with such stuff and it will just let me get my work done." So that is what I did. I rigged him up a KVM 2 port along with a second NIC so his graphics box could be hooked directly to his main rig by a crossover. Now when he needs to run his Xres for graphics work(which only runs on PCs with less than 2GB RAM and 2GHz CPUs) he can simply drag and drop and go "clicky clicky" on his KVM and be working.

      For those of us that lurk here on /. learning a new trick in enjoyable. We like hardware, software, tweaks and hacks. A VERY large section of the population simply gets no joy whatsoever from PCs. To them it is a toaster to do a job. For them simple trumps all, including security unfortunately. Like I said, selling security is like selling folks on air. they know they need it but getting them to grasp it is a horse of another color. That is why i love Adblock Plus, as for users like my dad and the graphic artist they don't HAVE to grasp or frankly even understand anything. The tool does the drudgery and leaves them to the stuff they actually want, like dad and his quickbooks and the artist and his Xres. I'm glad that you were able to teach your buddy though. Sadly i can only dream of having users willing to learn. But since I have learned to do all the work for them, such as scheduling AV scans and antispy scans and things like Adblock Plus filters, I don't have to piss in the wind trying to explain to them stuff they will promptly ignore or forget. But it must be nice to get users that actually want to know things....sigh.

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    2. Re:I have to disagree on this one hairyfeet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "A VERY large section of the population simply gets no joy whatsoever from PCs. To them it is a toaster to do a job." - by hairyfeet (841228) on Tuesday April 07, @07:11PM (#27497183)

      Sure, I have pals of that nature... one who is fairly PC literate, because he worked for years in sales of computer networking equipment (so it came as a job requirement essentially for he) - last night in fact, he wanted VISTA off his rig, because he cannot get Quake 4 to install on it (yes, there are ways to get it to install AND RUN on VISTA, but he was "not into it", as to learning how/why, when XP will do the job, as is, stock/oem outta the box).

      He has NO DESIRE to learn the "inner workings" of these machines, whatsoever... thus, to he (his type really)? You are 'right as rain'... I used to be that way myself, 20++ yrs. ago, but these things caught my attention around 20 yrs. back & changed me, forever really (Some ways for 'the good', others not, I am sure you understand... lol, I truly AM the guy I used to laugh @, more than 20++ yrs. ago, put it THAT way).

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      "For them simple trumps all, including security unfortunately." - by hairyfeet (841228) on Tuesday April 07, @07:11PM (#27497183)

      Agreed, & that description fits my other pal Mike, whom I mentioned above, to a tee... he is most unlike my pal Jack, who though not formally post secondary school educated (i.e. -> Collegiate means), he IS willing to learn & know more, whereas my bachelor degree possessing pal is not... pretty odd, imo @ least!

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      "Like I said, selling security is like selling folks on air. they know they need it but getting them to grasp it is a horse of another color" - by hairyfeet (841228) on Tuesday April 07, @07:11PM (#27497183)

      On a PC? Perhaps you're correct, & definitely for some individuals/personality types...

      (However - life insurance salesmen would "beg to differ", because they use what is called 'selling fear', & nothing sells QUITE like that (the threat of leaving your dependents/loved ones w/ no 'backup' in case you kick the bucket, etc. et al)).

      Generalizing or oversimplifying... it can get anyone into a "jam" I guess, when dealing with the "exceptions/outliers" cases.

      APK

      P.S.=> Nice discussion, &, I look forward to it again w/ you @ some point on this website... apk