If companies would stop sitting on their brains and stop tying up class C addresses there would be less of a problem. And who REALLY needs their Mr.Coffee to be hooked up to the web? Unless you have a spare Rosie the robotic maid of C-3PO lying around...you have to get everything ready (by hand most likely in the morning)) for the appliance in question to work it's mechanics on it. My fridge, coffee maker, and/or microwave doesnt need an IP address. And even if they did, put a server in your house that routes commands to the different devices/appliances. That way you take up one IP.
Maybe I'm stuck in the past or something...but I really don't want my toaster setting anything off. Do we REALLY need to have everything in our households done for us so we become mindless idiots who surf the Go network and watch network television all day. Giving an IP address to everything is just stupid in my opinion. No one's life should revolve around their PC to where it needs to tell them when their toast is ready. I'm on my computer many hours of the day, but I tell if my toast is ready the old fashioned way, I smell for smoke.
Besides Fusion I like FP 98. Sure it's a tool of the man but it works nice when I'm not really sure how I want a page to look. I can play around with different styles and see how they are going to look without saving it and previewing it in my browser. I'm not too bad at doing HTML by hand...but do I really want to throw in tags everywhere? No, not particularly. I COULD use vi, emacs, notepad or some other text editor but I choose not to because it's alot slower. I don't like to get bored with my pages, I tend not to finish them then.
Thats pretty cool, if you made a WYSIWYG editor for that it would be great. *wink* It is a nice idea though, but I still wouldnt want to make a huge site by hand like that.
Maintain a moderately sized page with notepad and see how fun it becomes after a week. HTML is very easy to learn, but when you have to do a rather large page or a bunch of pages notepad is a bitch. And I dunno which WYSIWYG editor you were using but I havent seen one that generates redundant tags.
NetObjects Fusion myself, at least for DHTML and such things. It's Everywhere HTML works great for making dynamic pages. It's rather quick to learn and the help is pretty useful. The only disadvantage I have noticed so far is that if there is some part of the script that conflicts with another ie. two separate frames overlapping, it usually causes netscape to crash. IE just says theres an error in the code and wont run it. It also has a site manager to keep all your links and images organized. It makes DHTML a snap because there's no scripting, you click on a table, image, ect. and change it's properties or link it to some other element to change it's properties. It also handles rollovers well not to mention alot easier to work with than Macromedia Flash.
Ok, most of you might disagree with me, but it sometimes is bad when a company goes public. Look at Disney. Way back when Walt ran the company and it was all about what he wanted. Now Disney is public and it's all about making more money. When companies go public they turn from being someone's vision into just a way for their shareholders to buy a new boat. I always thought the point of the GNU license was so companies wouldnt be driven by getting more cars in their garage but by really liking to do what they do. I'm not trying to say making money makes them evil bastards, but if you do the work and make the money thats great, but shareholders own the company and dont really do any work, they meet every few weeks and tell everyone what to do.
Here's something to chew on, the universe is irrelevant. Any quantifying of any portion of the universe limits the mass view of the universe. Saying "there is a god" or "there is no god" gives you only a keyhole view of everything, it limits your perceptions down to the point where everything has to be qualified according to your particular set of beliefs. Arguing that you're self aware gives you the perception that you are self aware and anything you perceive becomes the product of a self aware mind. Believing you are not self aware makes everything you perceive go through that same little filter just with different parameters. Never say something is impossible until it actually becomes impossible and even then hold out saying it's impossible because there is always the inevitability that it is possible. If you dont understand what I said, then dont read it. I dont want people flaming me saying i'm wrong and you're right simply because your perception of the universe means about as much to me as that glass of tea I just drank.
You can't write a program and expect artificial life to spring forth from it. A natural brain doesnt use mathematics and predictable systems to process. All your clusters of neurons are just one on/off switch. Anything complex is distributed over the system and solved in mass numbers instead of one centralized system. Sure these systems eventually become non centralized, but they need to start off as separate units and then cohese (is that a word?) by themselves. You have to teach them that ramming into walls is bad, not program them not to run into them. Thats real emergant behavior. ntelligence is writing your own code, not follwing prewritten code. To create artificial life we need to start where natural life on this planet started, back in the primordial ooze. It took 4.5 billion years of code to get where we are now, a hop skip and a jump away from figuring out not to run into walls. With AI we need to start smaller than small and work our way up. Robodyne Cybernetics thinks they have more than they do.
Anyone versed in quantum physics would tell you that the prediction of anything relies entirely on your perception of whats happening. For ever single point in the infinity of the universe there are an infinite number of perceptions of that point. Which all exists in a non-linear timescale which itself exists on a plane undescribable to humans because we're limited by our three dimensions. --Think for yourself, folks...it's quite interesting
No my friend, USB like all other non networked interfaces is measured in megabytes, so 12Mb transfer is megabytes not bits. If it were a network card it would be bits.
your opinion of a movie that hasnt been released on someone else's opinion of the movie? That seems rather narrow to me..I wonder why. I can't remember a time when I DIDNT like Star Wars. it's not just about Han Solo and blasters. The first ones were made so well (in my opinion) that it seemed like it was alot more realistic than it really was. You saw the inside of the Millennium Falcon and it had a lived in look. If you're expecting some deep movie...think back to the first one. It's got fairy tale appeal, it's not meant to change the way you look at life. Geez, it's meant to let you get away from the rest ofthe world for a few hours. I won't go see it two dozen times or buy the toys, but I will see it once or twice to make sure I see it all, and then I'll buy it on video.
All the other ISOs I can think of arent owned or patented by a single company...am I missing something? An ISO owned by a single corporation? And how is linux the right approach to the wrong answer? It seems to me without the original BSD kernel...SunOS wouldnt exist would it? BSD was a free kernel just like linux is. Linux was designed to work on a computer you or I or a small company could afford, not 64 parallel processors. thats like pointing to the MindCraft benchmark test where linux didnt work quite right with SMP...well thats because it's not designed to. Wait...slashdot has how many users? and runs on what kind of machine? Seems like Solaris with 64 processor support is a little overkill for most non-rendering-every-point-in-the-universe projects.
1. 75 million polygons- Big freaking deal, it's still only 320x240 or 640x480 resolution, this isnt like a computer game that can get up to 1280x1024 resolution on a big monitor. Just like N64 and the PSX, they can do their fancy rendering and effects with a super low resolution. The N64 only has 4 megs of video ram, it rarely uses textures, just colors. It uses a über-shading to make stuff look like they have a nice anti-aliased look to them.
2. This system wont be supported by as many game developers as the PSX is because only a handful of companies have the technical ability to develop games for it. Just like Suqaresoft told the press. This means without a trillion licensees that the system is gonna cost an arm and a leg. All the extra doodads on it are gonna to make the price skyrocket.
3. Games like Everquest that need a hard drive for patches and such will give Sony an excuse to release proprietary Firewire drives just for it, sure it adds a little more flexibility...but at what cost? 200$ for an add-on hard drive? Plus the 500$ or so system cost? No thanks
4. The DVD will be nice, but when games DONT take up all 5 gigs of space per side does that mean we're going to see commercials in games? Demos and trailers might be nice..but I see a potential for companies to have commercials play before the game starts, ones that you cant fast forward through. This would help them offset the cost of the hefty licensing fees charged by Sony.
5. If it CAN run wince then we'll probably see a M$/Sony alliance that basically strong arms developers into using Microsponge or nothing at all.
They can produce it for 100$. Big whoop. Do you know how much it costs Intel to make a PIII 500mhz? about 80$...wait...they sell it for close to 1000$. Amazing isnt it? Lets say they had a chip that can do 75 million polygons...thats ALL FPU, that means this chip is one big FPU processor. It doesnt mean it can run linux or windows, it means it can do some fancy rendering.
These are not meant to replace your SCSI drives. The yare just a quick little removeable media. Later when you see big time Firewire drives at 7200 and 10000rpm and are unhappy, complain then.
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Do I really want to waste 800 or so megs on a keyboard mouse and scanner? NO. Jeez why does it have to be one or the other? How about USB for the smaller low capacity devices like scanners, printers keyboards and mice and then Firewire for the big boys? Hello McFly *knock knock*
These are FIRST GENERATION which means they will be expensive, large IDE drives were expensive when they first came out. Firewire promises to be as expensive as IDE while outperforming SCSI. When production of drives like this moves into full swing by more manufacturers the price will drop signifigantly. If you want a swapable Zip drive buy a USB one. Once bandwidth gets faster than the drive can physically transfer data any extra bandwidth just means you can add more drives. Your actual data transfer is how fast the actual drive can do read/write operations. If I have an Ultra2 SCSI drive at 7200rpm it wont be a whole lot faster than my DMA/66 7200rpm IDE drive.
I have been waiting to see FireWire drives since I first heard of FireWire. I'm envisioning an all USB/FireWire system. No more IDE,SCSI,Serial,PS/2 etc. An internal USB port for small drives like LS-120, Zip, the Sony HDdisk, regular floppies and the normal two external USB ports for keyboards, scanners, mice etc. Then an internal FireWire port for hard drives (normal and RAID), DVD and CDs etc and then an external port for cameras external drives etc. It will be beautiful. Increased throughput and hotswapability (is that a word?) for all the drives. Hmmm...you could probably connect computers with their FireWire ports....400Mbps Beowulf cluster....Firewire can only have up to 67 (or is it 68?) devices, so a 67 node Beowulf cluster. COOL!
ANY time I do a graphic with lots of colors I use JPEG. If I want to make a zippy website I will convert that JPEG into an adaptive palette GIF. GIF is pretty lossy if you make something in 24bit color and try to convert it to a 256 color GIF. The whole reason GIFs can do transparencies and animations is because they are limited to 256 colors so you can pick one of those colors much easily to be transparent than trying to make a channel transparent with a JPEG (which would need special software in the JPEG viewer). I usually laugh when I see new multi media formats trying to "become the standard". I cry when I find a format that should be universally accepted (JPEG and GIF since they are the internet standards) is not in a given program. If you want to make a format universal forget about the licenses and make it GPL, that way everyone can get ahold of the codecs and write it into their program. Down with licensing!
I would hate to drive near any of you guys. Mixing MP3s in your car? How about a simple Mp3 player that fist in the space my stereo fits now. Grab the dinky little chip out of the Rio and plug it in. I'd just like to be able to take my MP3s on the road with me, before you stick a Beowulf cluster in my trunk, make me a removeable storage media that costs about as much as a blank CD, is rewriteable, and is about the size of a CompactFlash card. The problem with portable MP3 players isnt the processor, it's the storage, 100+ dollars for a 48Mb CompactFlash card. I'll build the in-dash MP3 player if you get me a cheap removeable media.
For all of you people canonizing Ken thompson as a saint...just stop right there. The same for everyone canonizing Linus Torvalds as a saint. Ken designed a revolutionary operating system. Linus reworked that operating system to work better on computer you and I could afford. Sure the BSDs and Solaris can work on a computer I can afford, way back when when Linus wrote linux it was because it was what he needed. Remember he was using minix and was unhappy with it's performance so he took a que from it and wrote linux. Linus didnt reinvent anything, he just used the same creative spirit Ken used over 20 years ago to do something nobody else had done. I dont understand why anyone would think NT is better at anything, other than crashing at the worst possible times, then linux. The only advantage M$ has over linux is that the hardware manufacturers write the drivers which gives M$ the advantage in support. Some companies are now writing linux drivers along with Windows drivers. It's a start. Read the article not for a Ken Thompson linux berating but an interview with a computer science pioneer. Take the critizism as a point to start improving linux, thats the point of thousands of us having access to the code.
If you want to berate someone for berating Thompson then learn to think for yourself. I don't care if he says linux sucks, or rather, parts of it suck. Big deal. Unix isnt perfect and neither is he. Switching to NT because he said so? You're missing the point of his article man, he isn't saying linux is the worst OS in the world, he is just saying like most everything else in the world, it needs work. I can think of a few places other Unixes need some help. You only have the right to berate others when you've reached perfection.
Electronic ink is practically worthless for computer displays, like Matt said it's monochrome and doesnt have the world's greatest resolution. I'm waiting for LEP(Light Emitting Polymers)s to become more refined. Right now they are only functional in sizes and resolutions of your digital alarm clock. But it's being worked on. When LEps get to the resolution of current LCD monitors they will require about a tenth of the power and be about 10 times cheaper. Besides the LEPs electrically conductive polymers will make electronics super light. You'd be able to make an entirely plastic-read:flexible and realy light-circuit board. mmmm...Polymer microchips...75% less heat at the same power levels and frequencies. If you think.18 micron dies are small think of molecule wide circuits. Something the size of a PII chip could have as many transistors as a few hundred PIIs.
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If companies would stop sitting on their brains and stop tying up class C addresses there would be less of a problem. And who REALLY needs their Mr.Coffee to be hooked up to the web? Unless you have a spare Rosie the robotic maid of C-3PO lying around...you have to get everything ready (by hand most likely in the morning)) for the appliance in question to work it's mechanics on it. My fridge, coffee maker, and/or microwave doesnt need an IP address. And even if they did, put a server in your house that routes commands to the different devices/appliances. That way you take up one IP.
Maybe I'm stuck in the past or something...but I really don't want my toaster setting anything off. Do we REALLY need to have everything in our households done for us so we become mindless idiots who surf the Go network and watch network television all day. Giving an IP address to everything is just stupid in my opinion. No one's life should revolve around their PC to where it needs to tell them when their toast is ready. I'm on my computer many hours of the day, but I tell if my toast is ready the old fashioned way, I smell for smoke.
Besides Fusion I like FP 98. Sure it's a tool of the man but it works nice when I'm not really sure how I want a page to look. I can play around with different styles and see how they are going to look without saving it and previewing it in my browser. I'm not too bad at doing HTML by hand...but do I really want to throw in tags everywhere? No, not particularly. I COULD use vi, emacs, notepad or some other text editor but I choose not to because it's alot slower. I don't like to get bored with my pages, I tend not to finish them then.
Thats pretty cool, if you made a WYSIWYG editor for that it would be great. *wink*
It is a nice idea though, but I still wouldnt want to make a huge site by hand like that.
Why do you need Fireworks for transparents GIFs? Export your index color pic from Photoshop as a GIF 87a/89a
Maintain a moderately sized page with notepad and see how fun it becomes after a week. HTML is very easy to learn, but when you have to do a rather large page or a bunch of pages notepad is a bitch. And I dunno which WYSIWYG editor you were using but I havent seen one that generates redundant tags.
NetObjects Fusion myself, at least for DHTML and such things. It's Everywhere HTML works great for making dynamic pages. It's rather quick to learn and the help is pretty useful. The only disadvantage I have noticed so far is that if there is some part of the script that conflicts with another ie. two separate frames overlapping, it usually causes netscape to crash. IE just says theres an error in the code and wont run it. It also has a site manager to keep all your links and images organized. It makes DHTML a snap because there's no scripting, you click on a table, image, ect. and change it's properties or link it to some other element to change it's properties. It also handles rollovers well not to mention alot easier to work with than Macromedia Flash.
Ok, most of you might disagree with me, but it sometimes is bad when a company goes public. Look at Disney. Way back when Walt ran the company and it was all about what he wanted. Now Disney is public and it's all about making more money. When companies go public they turn from being someone's vision into just a way for their shareholders to buy a new boat. I always thought the point of the GNU license was so companies wouldnt be driven by getting more cars in their garage but by really liking to do what they do. I'm not trying to say making money makes them evil bastards, but if you do the work and make the money thats great, but shareholders own the company and dont really do any work, they meet every few weeks and tell everyone what to do.
Here's something to chew on, the universe is irrelevant. Any quantifying of any portion of the universe limits the mass view of the universe. Saying "there is a god" or "there is no god" gives you only a keyhole view of everything, it limits your perceptions down to the point where everything has to be qualified according to your particular set of beliefs. Arguing that you're self aware gives you the perception that you are self aware and anything you perceive becomes the product of a self aware mind. Believing you are not self aware makes everything you perceive go through that same little filter just with different parameters. Never say something is impossible until it actually becomes impossible and even then hold out saying it's impossible because there is always the inevitability that it is possible. If you dont understand what I said, then dont read it. I dont want people flaming me saying i'm wrong and you're right simply because your perception of the universe means about as much to me as that glass of tea I just drank.
You can't write a program and expect artificial life to spring forth from it. A natural brain doesnt use mathematics and predictable systems to process. All your clusters of neurons are just one on/off switch. Anything complex is distributed over the system and solved in mass numbers instead of one centralized system. Sure these systems eventually become non centralized, but they need to start off as separate units and then cohese (is that a word?) by themselves. You have to teach them that ramming into walls is bad, not program them not to run into them. Thats real emergant behavior. ntelligence is writing your own code, not follwing prewritten code. To create artificial life we need to start where natural life on this planet started, back in the primordial ooze. It took 4.5 billion years of code to get where we are now, a hop skip and a jump away from figuring out not to run into walls. With AI we need to start smaller than small and work our way up. Robodyne Cybernetics thinks they have more than they do.
Anyone versed in quantum physics would tell you that the prediction of anything relies entirely on your perception of whats happening. For ever single point in the infinity of the universe there are an infinite number of perceptions of that point. Which all exists in a non-linear timescale which itself exists on a plane undescribable to humans because we're limited by our three dimensions.
--Think for yourself, folks...it's quite interesting
No my friend, USB like all other non networked interfaces is measured in megabytes, so 12Mb transfer is megabytes not bits. If it were a network card it would be bits.
your opinion of a movie that hasnt been released on someone else's opinion of the movie? That seems rather narrow to me..I wonder why. I can't remember a time when I DIDNT like Star Wars. it's not just about Han Solo and blasters. The first ones were made so well (in my opinion) that it seemed like it was alot more realistic than it really was. You saw the inside of the Millennium Falcon and it had a lived in look. If you're expecting some deep movie...think back to the first one. It's got fairy tale appeal, it's not meant to change the way you look at life. Geez, it's meant to let you get away from the rest ofthe world for a few hours. I won't go see it two dozen times or buy the toys, but I will see it once or twice to make sure I see it all, and then I'll buy it on video.
All the other ISOs I can think of arent owned or patented by a single company...am I missing something? An ISO owned by a single corporation? And how is linux the right approach to the wrong answer? It seems to me without the original BSD kernel...SunOS wouldnt exist would it? BSD was a free kernel just like linux is. Linux was designed to work on a computer you or I or a small company could afford, not 64 parallel processors. thats like pointing to the MindCraft benchmark test where linux didnt work quite right with SMP...well thats because it's not designed to. Wait...slashdot has how many users? and runs on what kind of machine? Seems like Solaris with 64 processor support is a little overkill for most non-rendering-every-point-in-the-universe projects.
Ok, here's some bubble bursting comments.
1. 75 million polygons- Big freaking deal, it's still only 320x240 or 640x480 resolution, this isnt like a computer game that can get up to 1280x1024 resolution on a big monitor. Just like N64 and the PSX, they can do their fancy rendering and effects with a super low resolution. The N64 only has 4 megs of video ram, it rarely uses textures, just colors. It uses a über-shading to make stuff look like they have a nice anti-aliased look to them.
2. This system wont be supported by as many game developers as the PSX is because only a handful of companies have the technical ability to develop games for it. Just like Suqaresoft told the press. This means without a trillion licensees that the system is gonna cost an arm and a leg. All the extra doodads on it are gonna to make the price skyrocket.
3. Games like Everquest that need a hard drive for patches and such will give Sony an excuse to release proprietary Firewire drives just for it, sure it adds a little more flexibility...but at what cost? 200$ for an add-on hard drive? Plus the 500$ or so system cost? No thanks
4. The DVD will be nice, but when games DONT take up all 5 gigs of space per side does that mean we're going to see commercials in games? Demos and trailers might be nice..but I see a potential for companies to have commercials play before the game starts, ones that you cant fast forward through. This would help them offset the cost of the hefty licensing fees charged by Sony.
5. If it CAN run wince then we'll probably see a M$/Sony alliance that basically strong arms developers into using Microsponge or nothing at all.
They can produce it for 100$. Big whoop. Do you know how much it costs Intel to make a PIII 500mhz? about 80$...wait...they sell it for close to 1000$. Amazing isnt it? Lets say they had a chip that can do 75 million polygons...thats ALL FPU, that means this chip is one big FPU processor. It doesnt mean it can run linux or windows, it means it can do some fancy rendering.
These are not meant to replace your SCSI drives. The yare just a quick little removeable media. Later when you see big time Firewire drives at 7200 and 10000rpm and are unhappy, complain then.
Do I really want to waste 800 or so megs on a keyboard mouse and scanner? NO. Jeez why does it have to be one or the other? How about USB for the smaller low capacity devices like scanners, printers keyboards and mice and then Firewire for the big boys? Hello McFly
*knock knock*
These are FIRST GENERATION which means they will be expensive, large IDE drives were expensive when they first came out. Firewire promises to be as expensive as IDE while outperforming SCSI. When production of drives like this moves into full swing by more manufacturers the price will drop signifigantly. If you want a swapable Zip drive buy a USB one. Once bandwidth gets faster than the drive can physically transfer data any extra bandwidth just means you can add more drives. Your actual data transfer is how fast the actual drive can do read/write operations. If I have an Ultra2 SCSI drive at 7200rpm it wont be a whole lot faster than my DMA/66 7200rpm IDE drive.
I have been waiting to see FireWire drives since I first heard of FireWire. I'm envisioning an all USB/FireWire system. No more IDE,SCSI,Serial,PS/2 etc. An internal USB port for small drives like LS-120, Zip, the Sony HDdisk, regular floppies and the normal two external USB ports for keyboards, scanners, mice etc. Then an internal FireWire port for hard drives (normal and RAID), DVD and CDs etc and then an external port for cameras external drives etc. It will be beautiful. Increased throughput and hotswapability (is that a word?) for all the drives. Hmmm...you could probably connect computers with their FireWire ports....400Mbps Beowulf cluster....Firewire can only have up to 67 (or is it 68?) devices, so a 67 node Beowulf cluster. COOL!
ANY time I do a graphic with lots of colors I use JPEG. If I want to make a zippy website I will convert that JPEG into an adaptive palette GIF. GIF is pretty lossy if you make something in 24bit color and try to convert it to a 256 color GIF. The whole reason GIFs can do transparencies and animations is because they are limited to 256 colors so you can pick one of those colors much easily to be transparent than trying to make a channel transparent with a JPEG (which would need special software in the JPEG viewer). I usually laugh when I see new multi media formats trying to "become the standard". I cry when I find a format that should be universally accepted (JPEG and GIF since they are the internet standards) is not in a given program. If you want to make a format universal forget about the licenses and make it GPL, that way everyone can get ahold of the codecs and write it into their program. Down with licensing!
I would hate to drive near any of you guys. Mixing MP3s in your car? How about a simple Mp3 player that fist in the space my stereo fits now. Grab the dinky little chip out of the Rio and plug it in. I'd just like to be able to take my MP3s on the road with me, before you stick a Beowulf cluster in my trunk, make me a removeable storage media that costs about as much as a blank CD, is rewriteable, and is about the size of a CompactFlash card. The problem with portable MP3 players isnt the processor, it's the storage, 100+ dollars for a 48Mb CompactFlash card. I'll build the in-dash MP3 player if you get me a cheap removeable media.
For all of you people canonizing Ken thompson as a saint...just stop right there. The same for everyone canonizing Linus Torvalds as a saint. Ken designed a revolutionary operating system. Linus reworked that operating system to work better on computer you and I could afford. Sure the BSDs and Solaris can work on a computer I can afford, way back when when Linus wrote linux it was because it was what he needed. Remember he was using minix and was unhappy with it's performance so he took a que from it and wrote linux. Linus didnt reinvent anything, he just used the same creative spirit Ken used over 20 years ago to do something nobody else had done. I dont understand why anyone would think NT is better at anything, other than crashing at the worst possible times, then linux. The only advantage M$ has over linux is that the hardware manufacturers write the drivers which gives M$ the advantage in support. Some companies are now writing linux drivers along with Windows drivers. It's a start. Read the article not for a Ken Thompson linux berating but an interview with a computer science pioneer. Take the critizism as a point to start improving linux, thats the point of thousands of us having access to the code.
If you want to berate someone for berating Thompson then learn to think for yourself. I don't care if he says linux sucks, or rather, parts of it suck. Big deal. Unix isnt perfect and neither is he. Switching to NT because he said so? You're missing the point of his article man, he isn't saying linux is the worst OS in the world, he is just saying like most everything else in the world, it needs work. I can think of a few places other Unixes need some help. You only have the right to berate others when you've reached perfection.
Electronic ink is practically worthless for computer displays, like Matt said it's monochrome and doesnt have the world's greatest resolution. I'm waiting for LEP(Light Emitting Polymers)s to become more refined. Right now they are only functional in sizes and resolutions of your digital alarm clock. But it's being worked on. When LEps get to the resolution of current LCD monitors they will require about a tenth of the power and be about 10 times cheaper. Besides the LEPs electrically conductive polymers will make electronics super light. You'd be able to make an entirely plastic-read:flexible and realy light-circuit board. mmmm...Polymer microchips...75% less heat at the same power levels and frequencies. If you think .18 micron dies are small think of molecule wide circuits. Something the size of a PII chip could have as many transistors as a few hundred PIIs.