Saying all proprietary software lacks documentation makes you out to be a lunatic. There is plenty of proprietary software that comes with excellent help and tutorials.
You are right. Even though Windows, Office, Visual Studio and Photoshop don't have good documentation, I'm sure other programs do.
Do you think slave holders were not offended by being called murderers and inhuman? Do you think Catholics were not deeply disturbed by Protestants calling the Catholic hierarchy illegitimate and corrupt? The right to offend is an essential part of free speech rights.
Thermodynamics is statistical in nature, and so is climate science. Y
Thermodynamics can pretty reliably predict the average velocity of a billion molecules, or a trillion, and lets you subdivide things into grids and times that you like, and can even tell you the accuracy at each scale.
Climate modelling, on other hand, cannot. Someone says they say the earth will be 6C warmer in 100 years. So I say it must be some f(x) C warmer in 10. But, oh no, we can't do that. Someone says the earth should be 6C warmer in 100 years, but, can I take a span of a freeway, measure that, and get a feel for how much CO2 actually effects temperature? No.. we can't do that.
Thermodynamics is a science. Climate modelling is statistically informed speculation, and there is a difference. That doesn't mean you should reject climate modelling, or modelling of any kind, but you can't say that its hard science, because its not. If a model cannot predict sufficient to allow manipulation, then, its not science.
And how the hell is some user sitting alone in his room soupposed to know this? Perhaps if there was a "readmefirst" file on the desktop to give new users this info, but there isn't.
The larger point is that the user cannot do this at all with Windows. How do you mind out what an exe in your process list does there? You Google it!
In my mind, I would expect documentation for Windows to be far superior to that for Linux, because Microsoft can pay technical writers, as can most commercial publishers. But, they don't. Instead, they ship the minimum docs they can and then sell books through MS Press. What's really the difference between that and buying a book through O'Reilly? Not much.
Bottom line is, the whole "Linux has no documentation" argument is a strawman, and I know what strawmen are, because, I myself have made enough of them to feed a thousand cows, for sure. Linux has rough documentation, but so does -everything- else.
Documentation for ALL software, hardware, regardless of vendor, has gone down the drain. man pages are not as useful as they used to be. Windows Help has gone down the drain. Commercial software, private software, doesn't make any difference. Why pay someone to write a good manual when you can sell a consultant instead.
And thermodynamic can't predict the behaviour of individual molecules therefore what it says about the general trends is wrong, right?
No, it says that thermodynamics fails for some aspects of individual molecules. If you have a set of maths that are PROVEN for climate, then that would be a different story. But, you can't predict climate, on any scale of dimension or time, whereas, thermodynamics at least succeeds above the molecular level. You can't make long range forecasts because of initial dependency. You can't make short range forecasts because of scale. You can't do anything.
... you are a moron. An ignorant, pompous, criminally stupid moron.
Oh, how childish of you, quaint salesman of smoke oil.
Let's get real and understand that the real purpose of providing this "information" is marketing. It is there to reinforce the message that the world is hopelessly infected with computer viruses and you absolutely MUST have the offerings of McAffee and other anti-virus software vendors. I'm not even sure why anyone would believe it is true.
What was the drop in the standard of living after Katrina?
Yeah, like any climate model can actually predict the formation and landfall of a particular hurricane.
Oh that's right, because if one climate scientist lied, clearly they all do and Exxon-Mobil-NewsCorp-GOP Inc. was right all along.
LEFT: You must do what we want, and give us all your money or (the world will end|the poor will suffer|the races will fight|just give us the money). We're the reasoning, intelligent people, and you can trust US.
RIGHT: No. I totally don't care.
LEFT: Wah wah wah wah.. You are evil we hate you! We're going to get the government! Wah wah wah!
RIGHT: Ok, we'll just leave the city|state|country
LEFT: Wah wah wah... you can't do that... Look at how evil that guy is... we're going to get you!
If everyone is tagging the SETI guy for the electric bills for the computers actually doing something, isn't it fair to say that the district wasted an even larger amount of money to buy the computers to begin with?
Electricity at an industrial level is charged based on peak demand usage, which coincides with the working day. If the computers were idling during the day, then it kinda means that everyone who was assigned that computer wasn't actually working.
I would not be so quick to jump at the guy using the schools' computer as his "personal" playground, either. Large institutions are not impersonal things or machines that we must throw away our humanity to attend to them. We are not slaves to corporations or governments. They are us and should reflect us and above all should serve us. We demand good character of the people that run them because we expect the people that run them to use those institutions in a way that benefits humanity as a whole. Running SETI at home, was, at least, on some level, consistent with that ideal.
Put it this way. Let's say someone on his own initiative runs program on ALL of Exxon Mobils workstations. If the program accomplishes nothing, the guy might wind up getting fired. But... if the program finds a cure for cancer, you can certainly bet that Exxon Mobil would be running ads about how they cured cancer and how great they are, and the guy would at least get a trial promotion for being successful.
It's the same thing with SETI. If the guy had found aliens on the school computers, he'd have been hailed as a hero.
The world's population is already too high, and growing beyond the unsustainable level. While it's nice to think we can get rid of something that causes pain and death, pain and death are part of life. If you reduce the death rate, you'll have to reduce the reproduction rate.
My school district's network of 8000 computers is running NUKES@HOME, helping our government figure out ways to build better nuclear weapons to save the planet for the right kind of humanity.
Have you never said anything nasty about someone and then asked someoen to delete it? Right.
No, and that's really the point. The scientists involved have no character, and it pretty much confirms for many people what they thought all along - the people pushing this global warming stuff are just a bunch of scumbags looking for a way to cash in on people's lives by creating a new sort of a religion.
The whole thing, for the idea of the scientist to work, is that they have to appear impartial and unemotional so that their information could be trusted. Since the 60s and the advent of the activist scientist, we've not had that, at least in the environmental space, and so there is no reason to trust them.
Madoff? The guy who stole billions of dollar? Versus a guy who might, at worst, have infringed on a Freedom of Information act? What else is fraud? The "Nature trick" thing? That's such bullshit it's ridiculous.
The economic damage caused by implementing massive energy taxes would essentially drop the standard of living of the USA by a Madoff per day.
What's more, because US treaties are backed by the power of the Constitution
Exactly. Under US Law, a Treaty has nearly the power of a Constitutional Amendment, but none of the powers. Treaties are an overwhelming design flaw in the Constitution.
Aha, but my understanding from earlier stories is that this is not being pursued as a regular treaty but instead as an executive agreement
That's a good point, but at that point, this enabling legislation is NOT a treaty, and is thus something that the courts are far more comfortable overturning.
To your point though, the USA should have a mechanism like many of the EU nations have. European citizens get to vote on a treaty being passed. We do not. What's up with that?
I don't think this treaty would pass in the US Senate. I would forsee the unlikely coalition of far rightists and far leftists actually collaborating to defeat this, just as they actually have on some other things.
I'm not exactly on the AGW bandwagon, but I think this scandal is now overblown. The beauty of science is that all of this "scandal" doesn't matter. Regardless of how the data is fudged, AGW has made some definite predictions and by virtue of testing them, for ourselves, we can see what reality is.
We are past the point, except in exotic physics, where we need scientists to confirm many test results. Anyone can measure temperature, and share that data. If we do not believe planetary temperature data, we can always build a network app and check it ourselves.
Please don't do that. I will hunt you down and deliver a round-house open-handed slap to your ear; rupturing your eardrum asunder. Consider that next year I might have to maintain your 512 column code. There is nothing more nauseating than opening someone's code in a standard xterm and seeing single lines fucking wrap around the fuck around the fucking terminal
Wouldn't it be easier to turn off line wrap in your editor?
If you know how to build a program from the command line, it means you understand how the build process works. Ultimately, Visual studio works just like any other IDE. It manages some sort of a build engine visually and provides support designed to shorten the build and test cycle. If it helps you, use it. If it doesn't, don't.
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a fundamentalist is someone who adheres to a concept WITHOUT EXCEPTION: free speech, the free market, the infallibility of the bible/ quran/ torah,
Add: The environment. Peace.
Saying all proprietary software lacks documentation makes you out to be a lunatic. There is plenty of proprietary software that comes with excellent help and tutorials.
You are right. Even though Windows, Office, Visual Studio and Photoshop don't have good documentation, I'm sure other programs do.
Do you think slave holders were not offended by being called murderers and inhuman? Do you think Catholics were not deeply disturbed by Protestants calling the Catholic hierarchy illegitimate and corrupt? The right to offend is an essential part of free speech rights.
Oh, shut up you faggit!!! :-)
Thermodynamics is statistical in nature, and so is climate science. Y
Thermodynamics can pretty reliably predict the average velocity of a billion molecules, or a trillion, and lets you subdivide things into grids and times that you like, and can even tell you the accuracy at each scale.
Climate modelling, on other hand, cannot. Someone says they say the earth will be 6C warmer in 100 years. So I say it must be some f(x) C warmer in 10. But, oh no, we can't do that. Someone says the earth should be 6C warmer in 100 years, but, can I take a span of a freeway, measure that, and get a feel for how much CO2 actually effects temperature? No.. we can't do that.
Thermodynamics is a science. Climate modelling is statistically informed speculation, and there is a difference. That doesn't mean you should reject climate modelling, or modelling of any kind, but you can't say that its hard science, because its not. If a model cannot predict sufficient to allow manipulation, then, its not science.
And how the hell is some user sitting alone in his room soupposed to know this? Perhaps if there was a "readmefirst" file on the desktop to give new users this info, but there isn't.
The larger point is that the user cannot do this at all with Windows. How do you mind out what an exe in your process list does there? You Google it!
In my mind, I would expect documentation for Windows to be far superior to that for Linux, because Microsoft can pay technical writers, as can most commercial publishers. But, they don't. Instead, they ship the minimum docs they can and then sell books through MS Press. What's really the difference between that and buying a book through O'Reilly? Not much.
Bottom line is, the whole "Linux has no documentation" argument is a strawman, and I know what strawmen are, because, I myself have made enough of them to feed a thousand cows, for sure. Linux has rough documentation, but so does -everything- else.
Man pages are good (enough) if you want to know how to use a command
Go to the bin folder. type ls. Gives you a list of commands.
Then, do man on each of those.
It's rather remarkable, how much you can learn.
Documentation for ALL software, hardware, regardless of vendor, has gone down the drain. man pages are not as useful as they used to be. Windows Help has gone down the drain. Commercial software, private software, doesn't make any difference. Why pay someone to write a good manual when you can sell a consultant instead.
And thermodynamic can't predict the behaviour of individual molecules therefore what it says about the general trends is wrong, right?
No, it says that thermodynamics fails for some aspects of individual molecules. If you have a set of maths that are PROVEN for climate, then that would be a different story. But, you can't predict climate, on any scale of dimension or time, whereas, thermodynamics at least succeeds above the molecular level. You can't make long range forecasts because of initial dependency. You can't make short range forecasts because of scale. You can't do anything.
Oh, how childish of you, quaint salesman of smoke oil.
Let's get real and understand that the real purpose of providing this "information" is marketing. It is there to reinforce the message that the world is hopelessly infected with computer viruses and you absolutely MUST have the offerings of McAffee and other anti-virus software vendors. I'm not even sure why anyone would believe it is true.
What was the drop in the standard of living after Katrina?
Yeah, like any climate model can actually predict the formation and landfall of a particular hurricane.
Oh that's right, because if one climate scientist lied, clearly they all do and Exxon-Mobil-NewsCorp-GOP Inc. was right all along.
LEFT: You must do what we want, and give us all your money or (the world will end|the poor will suffer|the races will fight|just give us the money). We're the reasoning, intelligent people, and you can trust US.
RIGHT: No. I totally don't care.
LEFT: Wah wah wah wah.. You are evil we hate you! We're going to get the government! Wah wah wah!
RIGHT: Ok, we'll just leave the city|state|country
LEFT: Wah wah wah... you can't do that... Look at how evil that guy is... we're going to get you!
was the only thing that really solved the problem. Wireless broke the back.
Now, the same thing will have to happen for internet service, or, really, there needs to be some federal regulation involved.
If everyone is tagging the SETI guy for the electric bills for the computers actually doing something, isn't it fair to say that the district wasted an even larger amount of money to buy the computers to begin with?
Electricity at an industrial level is charged based on peak demand usage, which coincides with the working day. If the computers were idling during the day, then it kinda means that everyone who was assigned that computer wasn't actually working.
I would not be so quick to jump at the guy using the schools' computer as his "personal" playground, either. Large institutions are not impersonal things or machines that we must throw away our humanity to attend to them. We are not slaves to corporations or governments. They are us and should reflect us and above all should serve us. We demand good character of the people that run them because we expect the people that run them to use those institutions in a way that benefits humanity as a whole. Running SETI at home, was, at least, on some level, consistent with that ideal.
Put it this way. Let's say someone on his own initiative runs program on ALL of Exxon Mobils workstations. If the program accomplishes nothing, the guy might wind up getting fired. But... if the program finds a cure for cancer, you can certainly bet that Exxon Mobil would be running ads about how they cured cancer and how great they are, and the guy would at least get a trial promotion for being successful.
It's the same thing with SETI. If the guy had found aliens on the school computers, he'd have been hailed as a hero.
The world's population is already too high, and growing beyond the unsustainable level. While it's nice to think we can get rid of something that causes pain and death, pain and death are part of life. If you reduce the death rate, you'll have to reduce the reproduction rate.
My school district's network of 8000 computers is running NUKES@HOME, helping our government figure out ways to build better nuclear weapons to save the planet for the right kind of humanity.
Have you never said anything nasty about someone and then asked someoen to delete it? Right.
No, and that's really the point. The scientists involved have no character, and it pretty much confirms for many people what they thought all along - the people pushing this global warming stuff are just a bunch of scumbags looking for a way to cash in on people's lives by creating a new sort of a religion.
The whole thing, for the idea of the scientist to work, is that they have to appear impartial and unemotional so that their information could be trusted. Since the 60s and the advent of the activist scientist, we've not had that, at least in the environmental space, and so there is no reason to trust them.
Madoff? The guy who stole billions of dollar? Versus a guy who might, at worst, have infringed on a Freedom of Information act? What else is fraud? The "Nature trick" thing? That's such bullshit it's ridiculous.
The economic damage caused by implementing massive energy taxes would essentially drop the standard of living of the USA by a Madoff per day.
Obviously there is plenty of monetary motivation to deny AGW, but what is the motivation to fabricate it? I
Governments eye energy as a lucrative tax. We're talking trillions of dolllars here. That's plenty of motivation.
Making artificial meat? Man, my local fast food place has been doing this for decades.
Exactly. Under US Law, a Treaty has nearly the power of a Constitutional Amendment, but none of the checks and balances
Fixed that for myself.
What's more, because US treaties are backed by the power of the Constitution
Exactly. Under US Law, a Treaty has nearly the power of a Constitutional Amendment, but none of the powers. Treaties are an overwhelming design flaw in the Constitution.
Aha, but my understanding from earlier stories is that this is not being pursued as a regular treaty but instead as an executive agreement
That's a good point, but at that point, this enabling legislation is NOT a treaty, and is thus something that the courts are far more comfortable overturning.
To your point though, the USA should have a mechanism like many of the EU nations have. European citizens get to vote on a treaty being passed. We do not. What's up with that?
I don't think this treaty would pass in the US Senate. I would forsee the unlikely coalition of far rightists and far leftists actually collaborating to defeat this, just as they actually have on some other things.
I'm not exactly on the AGW bandwagon, but I think this scandal is now overblown. The beauty of science is that all of this "scandal" doesn't matter. Regardless of how the data is fudged, AGW has made some definite predictions and by virtue of testing them, for ourselves, we can see what reality is.
We are past the point, except in exotic physics, where we need scientists to confirm many test results. Anyone can measure temperature, and share that data. If we do not believe planetary temperature data, we can always build a network app and check it ourselves.
However, MSVS 2010 leaves it far behind, and you can download MSVS 2010 Beta right now (it's been available via MSDN subscription for a while now).
I can download the beta, but its not a shipping product. So, comparing a beta to a shipping product seems like apples and oranges to me.
Also, MSVS 2010 supports some nice C++0A features.
That's cool and honestly very welcome. But keep in mind that the current shipping version of GNU GCC supports a great many C++0 features as well.
http://gcc.gnu.org/projects/cxx0x.html
Please don't do that. I will hunt you down and deliver a round-house open-handed slap to your ear; rupturing your eardrum asunder. Consider that next year I might have to maintain your 512 column code. There is nothing more nauseating than opening someone's code in a standard xterm and seeing single lines fucking wrap around the fuck around the fucking terminal
Wouldn't it be easier to turn off line wrap in your editor?
If you know how to build a program from the command line, it means you understand how the build process works. Ultimately, Visual studio works just like any other IDE. It manages some sort of a build engine visually and provides support designed to shorten the build and test cycle. If it helps you, use it. If it doesn't, don't.