... in the same way that if I go down to the car dealership and want to buy a new Suburban, and I feel that paying $47,000 for a new Suburban is too expensive, that doesn't give me the right to steal it, right?
*sigh* I don't know whether to smack my head against the wall, or fall down flabbergasted from what I'm hearing!
Well, hell - if copying and creating one or a thousand Suburbans were as trivial as copying computer files, why hell boy I wouldn't wait for you to steal my work I'd run to make it available to the world! Put another way, recently I saw a televised Ulrich say ``how would you [we the public that is] feel if you were a car mechanic and you fixed my car and I did not pay you for it? You wouldn't like it!'' Sh*t! If I dug ditches, performed brain surgery, created software, built Subarus, fermented Dutch cheese (and its sons =), fixed cars or for Gads sake I made music (we all know how vital to national security that profession is ) I'd gladly let you do the work so I could get on to providing what a bunch of fancy arranged silica could not.
Perhaps feed the hungry, as ditch digging is now done simply as a mouse/keystroke. But, shit! That f*cks up your analogies! The users (i.e., the throngs which Ulrich so facilely told to get lost recently in so many TV interviews) those masses out there are not communists. What they are are a bunch of pissed off consumers. I am 35 years old, a few years younger than these old geezer sound alikes, and from NYC. I remember the young Metallica that gigged here in 1981/2 at L'amours. Without a doubt those raging guys would have felt about a rich band bemoaning $17 music CDs as ``not [their] problem right now'' as so much hogwash. I know that for a fact.
You could use a dose of reality from many other enlightned musicians, the Web is festooned with leads.
I wish a little less fawning would occur when describing this gentleman, as lately, repeatedly in various publications he's described as brilliant. That may well be, but, lets be a little less sycophantic, you're coming across as starry-eyed/teeny-bopper-love struck.
BTW, what a brief piece, from the buildup in the description I was expecting a meaty sized dialog.
* Be that as it may, I did notice that perhaps the most salient point in the DeCSS discussion is missing: The movie industry has shifted the real discussion away from the fact that DeCSS is not presently needed for copying DVDs! Bit-for-bit copying is doable now. *
Perhaps this point was mentioned as a story here in/., however, I came across it in LWN.net; it is a 4 month old piece. ESR makes the relevant point succinctly, incisively. Here's a quote from that LWN piece:
The real story here, though, is that the DVDCA's
central complaint is fraudulent. DVD encryption does nothing to prevent content piracy. A pirate doesn't have to know how to decode DVDs to make bit-for-bit copies of them by the thousands. And no DVD player can distinguish between a legally distributed original and a pirated bit-for-bit copy. The amount of protection content producers get from DVD is exactly zero.
We have gotten some mail contesting Eric's claim that it is not necessary to decrypt DVDs to be able to make illegal copies. In fact, as documented in this IEEE Spectrum article, a number of steps have been taken to make bit-for-bit copying of DVDs hard - including prerecording sections of blank disks so that the encryption key can not be copied onto them.
None of that changes the fundamental point, though: pirates determined to make illegal DVD copies will be able to do so without any need for the DeCSS software. Subverting a (hardware or software) player to get a clear bit stream, or finding a source of non-prerecorded disks are both entirely viable approaches. Trying to protect bits that are in the hands of users is a losing battle.
As the 2nd quote mentions, that rebuttal quotes IEEE docs.
The jock is whispering about whether the music played at Hillary Clinton fund-raisers encourages children to masturbate, and whether George W. Bush's favorite drug is cocaine or potassium chloride. He's now playing an old Billy Joel tune.
I am in NYC, I caught the 1 AM to 1:30 AM portion, until the DJs came on schpieling their Radio Jock yammerings. *ugh* No announcement that the scheduled aired portion was ending for the station. Torvald was cutt off in mid-sentence, he was answering questions from the floor. There appered to be a huge audience. This was no radio interview, it was a broadcast of a lecture soemwhere.
When the over the air radio broadcast was cut off I turned on my gf's Real Player 6.x on her Win95 machine. The station's Web site read RA 5.0 needed at the minimum, we met that. Then the player would not play unless I d/l a 4 MB plug-in. F**k that!
I hate RA, that dang thing is always REQ that plugings be installed, it came with Netscape 4.5, it's had half a dozen plugins installed over time and it,ost of the time it won't work unless more and more of them are added. Am I the only one who hates to use Real's player for this reason??
BTW, LT did touch on the question of which journaling FS will win out: ~let the market decide~ is what he said.
ZDNet Jesse Berst Microsoft Bob Metcalfe John Dvorak
This category needs to be renamed! The 1st and 4th words in the title are contradictory: fine. But, some of the entrants are polar opposites as well: Dvorak != Metcalf. That is if you're referring to that misguided opinion piece which appeared and which was rebutted in Linux World (I think).
Therefore as is, I dunno with certainty if the intent is to metaphorically praise or castigate (Dvorak is nothing if not a maverick contrarian, and unequivocally not anyone's stooge) the nominees??
Maybe you should've thrown in Scott McNealy into the mix. That individual is not beyond treating users with contempt -- vis-a-vis his `get over your privacy hang-ups, you have none' world view - enlightening thinking for a provider of OSs -- and fudding the world to push Suns oft-squirrely product ideas.
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I really don't understand WHY this story was posted? I read the mentioned thread, and I found a clueless person, pontificating (and the terms he used should have been `duty, redistribute') on ``natural law'', his rights, companies as non-legal-entities (which flies in the face of legal reality). This is low-level stuff to be posting as a major discussion going on over there!
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... in the same way that if I go down to the car dealership and want to buy a new Suburban, and I feel that paying $47,000 for a new Suburban is too expensive, that doesn't give me the right to steal it, right?
*sigh* I don't know whether to smack my head against the wall, or fall down flabbergasted from what I'm hearing!
Well, hell - if copying and creating one or a thousand Suburbans were as trivial as copying computer files, why hell boy I wouldn't wait for you to steal my work I'd run to make it available to the world! Put another way, recently I saw a televised Ulrich say ``how would you [we the public that is] feel if you were a car mechanic and you fixed my car and I did not pay you for it? You wouldn't like it!'' Sh*t! If I dug ditches, performed brain surgery, created software, built Subarus, fermented Dutch cheese (and its sons =), fixed cars or for Gads sake I made music (we all know how vital to national security that profession is ) I'd gladly let you do the work so I could get on to providing what a bunch of fancy arranged silica could not.
Perhaps feed the hungry, as ditch digging is now done simply as a mouse/keystroke. But, shit! That f*cks up your analogies! The users (i.e., the throngs which Ulrich so facilely told to get lost recently in so many TV interviews) those masses out there are not communists. What they are are a bunch of pissed off consumers. I am 35 years old, a few years younger than these old geezer sound alikes, and from NYC. I remember the young Metallica that gigged here in 1981/2 at L'amours. Without a doubt those raging guys would have felt about a rich band bemoaning $17 music CDs as ``not [their] problem right now'' as so much hogwash. I know that for a fact.
You could use a dose of reality from many other enlightned musicians, the Web is festooned with leads.
Thanks
BTW, what a brief piece, from the buildup in the description I was expecting a meaty sized dialog.
* Be that as it may, I did notice that perhaps the most salient point in the DeCSS discussion is missing: The movie industry has shifted the real discussion away from the fact that DeCSS is not presently needed for copying DVDs! Bit-for-bit copying is doable now. *
Perhaps this point was mentioned as a story here in
Thanks
THE interesting observation/remark is left dangling. Alas! Someone else expound on this, please.
John Robie
You've pretty accurately highlighted the 1 to 1:30 AM portion I heard broacast. Moderate up.
The jock is whispering about whether the music played at Hillary Clinton fund-raisers encourages children to masturbate, and whether George W. Bush's favorite drug is cocaine or potassium chloride. He's now playing an old Billy Joel tune.
,ost of the time it won't work unless more and more of them are added. Am I the only one who hates to use Real's player for this reason??
I am in NYC, I caught the 1 AM to 1:30 AM portion, until the DJs came on schpieling their Radio Jock yammerings. *ugh* No announcement that the scheduled aired portion was ending for the station. Torvald was cutt off in mid-sentence, he was answering questions from the floor. There appered to be a huge audience. This was no radio interview, it was a broadcast of a lecture soemwhere.
When the over the air radio broadcast was cut off I turned on my gf's Real Player 6.x on her Win95 machine. The station's Web site read RA 5.0 needed at the minimum, we met that. Then the player would not play unless I d/l a 4 MB plug-in. F**k that!
I hate RA, that dang thing is always REQ that plugings be installed, it came with Netscape 4.5, it's had half a dozen plugins installed over time and it
BTW, LT did touch on the question of which journaling FS will win out: ~let the market decide~ is what he said.
There should be an "All of the Above" option.
No way John Dvorak should be lumped in with the
likes of Microsoft. Without a doubt.
Cluestick Award for FUD in Journalism
ZDNet Jesse Berst Microsoft Bob Metcalfe John Dvorak
This category needs to be renamed! The 1st and 4th words in the title are contradictory: fine. But, some of the entrants are polar opposites as well: Dvorak != Metcalf. That is if you're referring to that misguided opinion piece which appeared and which was rebutted in Linux World (I think).
Therefore as is, I dunno with certainty if the intent is to metaphorically praise or castigate (Dvorak is nothing if not a maverick contrarian, and unequivocally not anyone's stooge) the nominees??
Maybe you should've thrown in Scott McNealy into the mix. That individual is not beyond treating users with contempt -- vis-a-vis his `get over your privacy hang-ups, you have none' world view - enlightening thinking for a provider of OSs -- and fudding the world to push Suns oft-squirrely product ideas.
I really don't understand WHY this story was posted? I read the mentioned thread, and I found a clueless person, pontificating (and the terms he used should have been `duty, redistribute') on ``natural law'', his rights, companies as non-legal-entities (which flies in the face of legal reality). This is low-level stuff to be posting as a major discussion going on over there!