By buried in the install discs do you mean like they are still left uninstalled by default? Because I can't be sure if I'm right but I remember wondering other way to get it on Win95 than copying from MS-DOS 5.0 on our old 286:) I don't think I found it from the disc, although I did browse it sometimes and bumped in to surprise music video, but if it was installed then I truly have erroneous memories.
I wish I could, but rather than post a good long explanation of deeper politics of USA versus other western countries with most have parties all along the left-right axis - which in itself may not be that good indicator, for example there's a party here in Finland which is economically on left but socially on right.
The best I can say is that the parties have very little difference on large things that truly matter. And even of these things the differences are only on areas they've chosen to be used as weapon against other, so usually moral/social issues (like gay marriage). USA democracy seems sad enough because it's trapped in nearly impossible to break two-party game - without a huge percent of people starting to vote for "3rd parties" anyway. But economically these parties are very close from my Nordic point of view, and while socially Democrats might be a bit more noticeably on left the truth is that in comparison to most mixed-system democracies the only two parties currently seriously (as seen by others) in the game are clearly on the right from the middle of the fictionary axis.
If someone can really explain/write about this better/deeper I'd be glad too. Even just to read it myself.
Indeed - well said. I consider myself a hardcore gamer and I hate also the redifinition of that word (not by you, by the ones you're criticizing) to mean playing only the latest and greatest (and often not even that great) game of the moment.
I'm not "free as in speech zealot", unless you can be one and still be OK with people choosing proprietary license for their software (note, it will affect my choices though it's not a showstopper, but a "free......zealot" would not only choose another software but actively oppose the whole choice of selecting proprietary license). But I will draw the line on DRM crap. And nobody is crapping their DRM crap on my crappy crap. End of crap.
DRM is purely evil and anti-"legit customer".
However if there are any non-DRM "protected" titles on Steam for Linux I'd be glad to try the system.
Actually Thog is, I believe, a troll, not a caveman - and by troll I mean the fictional creature. Correct me if I'm wrong. Google Order of the Stick if you have no idea what I'm talking about.
Might have been badly mistaken but I thought it was about company paid cell phones that you get to legally keep - otherwise most... no, not most, but much the discussion here has been for nothing.
In Europe (Finland is what I know best since I live here) such contracts would be illegal - no way a contract could prevent you from lawsuit against the company.
It may sound funny, but I really do miss the simpler days of the WWW. Yes, I know... horrible tables, banner texts, under construction signs, and the dreaded blink tag. I miss Geocities. I miss personal "home pages". I miss Web rings.
Strange that it is I know what you mean and share, up to some amount, the same feelings.
You know what I also miss? BBS systems, actually dialing up them (not the newfangled telnet connection which was just a useless layer to slow down the communication which wasn't exactly fast to begin with), playing Lord on them, sharing pirated applications via zmodem protocol, and most of all I miss Fidonet. But these things don't really compare to what you said because they actually weren't crap, they were awesome - and I don't miss shitty BBS's, only the good ones:)
Nowdays nobody buys landline phones in Finland anymore - would it be, in theory, possible to use cell phone + PC to run a BBS?:D
I think the first browser I saw was Mosaic in library - I didn't know anything about web except that there was supposed to be hypertext links and images mixed in text on webpages. I didn't know where to go - but there was a huge address book, an "internet phonebook" if you will with subject categories.
I don't think the librarian knew what the book was about or about the computer and software either. There was only standard installation of Windows 3.? with only the Mosaic, if I remember correctly, to use for accessing the web. I was baffled because none of the addresses in the book worked so I got nowhere and nothing out of it - later when I became just slightly aware of this stuff (back then I didn't yet even have a modem to access BBS systems) I've learned that the book was basically a printed list of *usenet* groups, not web pages:)
I feel so guilty and ashamed of my past right now... But then again, in the mid-90's, which DooM related website didn't have the game music as.mid - accompanied by animated doom guy or imp.
I know that the genius idea on Unix is to have a large number of small applications that do one job and do it well - so unlike with zip/arj/rar we get to choose our archiving and compressing software independently of each others, or even combine them with something totally different for reason that the authors of these programs couldn't even have thought when they made the tools, but still......why would anyone combine tar with feather(s?)?:P
I have to say, it's become a lot easier than it was in the old days, where almost nothing worked after you stripped out the nonfree bits. Modems and network cards were notoriously hard to get working.
How old days was this? I know it was hard before, but when I got into Linux (Red Hat 7.1) I still had to hand hunt RPM's to install dependencies, but network cards and even most of time video cards (I never got my old P200MMX with Hercules Stingray 128 3D to work with X but with nvidia I had the choice between nv and proprietary drivers) worked fine out of box - even so that moving my install HD to another computer usually didn't need any other changes than possibly changing the video driver name in XFree config file...
The link recommends bull... nv is much better than Vesa, though doesn't offer 3D acceleration / DRI, it offers much more 2D optimization, which Vesa offers none. Nowdays there is also Nouveau, which is FOSS nvidia driver with 3D acceleration, though it's features are only fraction of those NVidia has and their drivers provide. So the best options are from best to worst: 1. nvidia official binary blob 2. Nouveau 3. nv 4 vesa
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By buried in the install discs do you mean like they are still left uninstalled by default? Because I can't be sure if I'm right but I remember wondering other way to get it on Win95 than copying from MS-DOS 5.0 on our old 286 :) I don't think I found it from the disc, although I did browse it sometimes and bumped in to surprise music video, but if it was installed then I truly have erroneous memories.
I wish I could, but rather than post a good long explanation of deeper politics of USA versus other western countries with most have parties all along the left-right axis - which in itself may not be that good indicator, for example there's a party here in Finland which is economically on left but socially on right.
The best I can say is that the parties have very little difference on large things that truly matter. And even of these things the differences are only on areas they've chosen to be used as weapon against other, so usually moral/social issues (like gay marriage). USA democracy seems sad enough because it's trapped in nearly impossible to break two-party game - without a huge percent of people starting to vote for "3rd parties" anyway. But economically these parties are very close from my Nordic point of view, and while socially Democrats might be a bit more noticeably on left the truth is that in comparison to most mixed-system democracies the only two parties currently seriously (as seen by others) in the game are clearly on the right from the middle of the fictionary axis.
If someone can really explain/write about this better/deeper I'd be glad too. Even just to read it myself.
Indeed - well said. I consider myself a hardcore gamer and I hate also the redifinition of that word (not by you, by the ones you're criticizing) to mean playing only the latest and greatest (and often not even that great) game of the moment.
I'm currently playing Zork.
I'm not "free as in speech zealot", unless you can be one and still be OK with people choosing proprietary license for their software (note, it will affect my choices though it's not a showstopper, but a "free... ...zealot" would not only choose another software but actively oppose the whole choice of selecting proprietary license). But I will draw the line on DRM crap. And nobody is crapping their DRM crap on my crappy crap. End of crap.
DRM is purely evil and anti-"legit customer".
However if there are any non-DRM "protected" titles on Steam for Linux I'd be glad to try the system.
I thought the argument originally said "this is an argument for using Linux", not that it's THEONETRUEARGUMENTTOENDALLARGUMENTS or something...
Correction, not troll, ogre - hopefully I got it right this time...
Actually Thog is, I believe, a troll, not a caveman - and by troll I mean the fictional creature. Correct me if I'm wrong. Google Order of the Stick if you have no idea what I'm talking about.
It appears as though you might not have an argument... Strange...
This has nothing to do with left wing politics - you don't have that in USA anyway. Just saying.
I mean Win 3.1 at least came with qbasic
Don't want to be nitpicky, but it was MS-DOS (>=5.0) that came with qbasic, not Win 3.1.
Although I might not know if win 3.1 really did come with qbasic too (but I doubt it) since we had only Win 3.0 (and MS-DOS 5.0).
Again, don't want to come off like an ass - your post was excellent.
Your mixing up employer with customer.
Might have been badly mistaken but I thought it was about company paid cell phones that you get to legally keep - otherwise most... no, not most, but much the discussion here has been for nothing.
Which can be used in a phone employer bought to employee too.
A bit extremist view of situation?
Of, but this was about USA... What a great country you have - I mean, instead of workers rights you have employers rights: AWESOME!
You should have bought the Final Ethernet package instead of the modem.
*Yank hat on*
That would be communism!!!
*Yank hat off*
In Europe (Finland is what I know best since I live here) such contracts would be illegal - no way a contract could prevent you from lawsuit against the company.
That's USA for you - and in your country even *workers* are against unions. Nice going.
It may sound funny, but I really do miss the simpler days of the WWW. Yes, I know... horrible tables, banner texts, under construction signs, and the dreaded blink tag. I miss Geocities. I miss personal "home pages". I miss Web rings.
Strange that it is I know what you mean and share, up to some amount, the same feelings.
You know what I also miss? BBS systems, actually dialing up them (not the newfangled telnet connection which was just a useless layer to slow down the communication which wasn't exactly fast to begin with), playing Lord on them, sharing pirated applications via zmodem protocol, and most of all I miss Fidonet. But these things don't really compare to what you said because they actually weren't crap, they were awesome - and I don't miss shitty BBS's, only the good ones :)
Nowdays nobody buys landline phones in Finland anymore - would it be, in theory, possible to use cell phone + PC to run a BBS? :D
I think the first browser I saw was Mosaic in library - I didn't know anything about web except that there was supposed to be hypertext links and images mixed in text on webpages. I didn't know where to go - but there was a huge address book, an "internet phonebook" if you will with subject categories.
I don't think the librarian knew what the book was about or about the computer and software either. There was only standard installation of Windows 3.? with only the Mosaic, if I remember correctly, to use for accessing the web. I was baffled because none of the addresses in the book worked so I got nowhere and nothing out of it - later when I became just slightly aware of this stuff (back then I didn't yet even have a modem to access BBS systems) I've learned that the book was basically a printed list of *usenet* groups, not web pages :)
I feel so guilty and ashamed of my past right now... But then again, in the mid-90's, which DooM related website didn't have the game music as .mid - accompanied by animated doom guy or imp.
I know that the genius idea on Unix is to have a large number of small applications that do one job and do it well - so unlike with zip/arj/rar we get to choose our archiving and compressing software independently of each others, or even combine them with something totally different for reason that the authors of these programs couldn't even have thought when they made the tools, but still... ...why would anyone combine tar with feather(s?)? :P
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I have to say, it's become a lot easier than it was in the old days, where almost nothing worked after you stripped out the nonfree bits. Modems and network cards were notoriously hard to get working.
How old days was this? I know it was hard before, but when I got into Linux (Red Hat 7.1) I still had to hand hunt RPM's to install dependencies, but network cards and even most of time video cards (I never got my old P200MMX with Hercules Stingray 128 3D to work with X but with nvidia I had the choice between nv and proprietary drivers) worked fine out of box - even so that moving my install HD to another computer usually didn't need any other changes than possibly changing the video driver name in XFree config file...
The link recommends bull... nv is much better than Vesa, though doesn't offer 3D acceleration / DRI, it offers much more 2D optimization, which Vesa offers none. Nowdays there is also Nouveau, which is FOSS nvidia driver with 3D acceleration, though it's features are only fraction of those NVidia has and their drivers provide. So the best options are from best to worst:
1. nvidia official binary blob
2. Nouveau
3. nv
4 vesa