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3D Printers For Peace Contest

First time accepted submitter Bas_Wijnen writes "3D printing is being condemned in the media because of the potential for printing guns. Engineers at Michigan Tech believe there is far more potential for 3D printers to make our lives better rather than killing one another. To encourage thinking about constructive uses of 3D printing technology Michigan Tech Open Sustainability Technology (MOST) Lab and Type A Machines sponsor the first 3-D Printers for Peace Contest. Designers are encouraged to consider: If Mother Theresa of Ghandi had access to 3D printing what would they print? What kind of designs could help reduce military spending and conflict while making us all safer and more secure? Anyone in the United States may enter and there is no cost."

273 comments

  1. Armor? by Nidi62 · · Score: 5, Funny

    3D print kevlar body armor, or maybe a ceramic ballistic plate?

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    1. Re:Armor? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Although, it doesn't seem peacfeul to be wearing armor. Kindof like a "hit me, just see if it care" sort of attitude.
      Remember, Ghandi's protests were just people sitting down or standing without any protection at all.
      Perhaps one could emulate such a thing?

    2. Re:Armor? by Nidi62 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Ghandi's protests were just people sitting down or standing without any protection at all. Perhaps one could emulate such a thing?

      I guess you could 3D print a diner and then just sit in it.....

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    3. Re:Armor? by Scarletdown · · Score: 1, Interesting

      In later years, Gandhi would actually print up some kickass weaponry, then go party and have a steak...medium rare.

      Not sure what Mother Theresa would print. But I do know it would not be condoms or any sort of birth control devices for the impoverished masses in the Third World countries she worked in.

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    4. Re:Armor? by LifesABeach · · Score: 2

      For sitting down, how about chairs?

    5. Re:Armor? by rwa2 · · Score: 2

      Oooh, you just had to go the self-immolation route, you insensitive clod!

      Oh, EMulate. OK.

    6. Re:Armor? by shri · · Score: 3, Funny

      You got it all wrong. We're discussing "Mother Theresa OF Ghandi" ... time to load up google maps and discover this harbinger of peace who can program 3D printers. :)

    7. Re:Armor? by narcc · · Score: 1, Informative

      Not sure what Mother Theresa would print.

      Maybe chains to help keep her strange little cult of suffering well-populated.

    8. Re:Armor? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Dudes, Mother Theresa was a bitch.

    9. Re:Armor? by ozmanjusri · · Score: 4, Informative

      Not sure what Mother Theresa would print.

      Nothing.

      Poverty and pain are good for people. "'the most beautiful gift for a person that he can participate in the sufferings of Christ"

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    10. Re:Armor? by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      I think I'll pass on the plastic armour.

    11. Re:Armor? by niftydude · · Score: 1

      What could be more peaceful than 3-D printing a Colt Model P, Peacemaker?

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    12. Re:Armor? by Mr.+Freeman · · Score: 0

      You can't print ceramic (at least not within the next decade). Source: any basic metallurgy class.

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    13. Re:Armor? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That doesn't really make sense. For starters, ceramics are by definition nonmetallic so I don't know why you'd even bring up metallurgy class. Secondly, I'd expect them to be even easier to 3d print than most things considering that additively layering clay has been something that people have done by hand for a really long time.

    14. Re:Armor? by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Kevlar is plastic.

    15. Re:Armor? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe crosses and nails.

      Some method of simulating Stigmata.

    16. Re:Armor? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Nails, perhaps.

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    17. Re:Armor? by Beyond_GoodandEvil · · Score: 1

      Dudes, Mother Theresa was a bitch.
      Hey look everybody, it's Christopher Hitchens' ghost. Tell us, what is the afterlife like for a militant atheist?

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    18. Re:Armor? by psmears · · Score: 1

      You can't print ceramic (at least not within the next decade). Source: any basic metallurgy class.

      Really?

    19. Re:Armor? by Chordonblue · · Score: 1

      Gun holster?

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    20. Re:Armor? by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Fine. I'll pass on the unstructured plastic armour, thanks.

      Kevlar is only useful for repelling bullets if it's spun and woven into fabric. In other words, you don't want a printer, you want a loom.

    21. Re:Armor? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The same as it is for everyone else - nonexistent.

  2. Easy answer by girlintraining · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Designers are encouraged to consider: If Mother Theresa of Ghandi had access to 3D printing what would they print?

    Bread.

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    1. Re:Easy answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Salt

    2. Re:Easy answer by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 2

      Mother Theresa would no doubt have printed a medical tool for removing IUDs.

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    3. Re:Easy answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gandhi presumably would have printed nothing but enema tubes.

    4. Re:Easy answer by sgt+scrub · · Score: 4, Funny

      I was thinking brains. They are dead and would have to be brought back as zombies so it is just logical.

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    5. Re:Easy answer by turp182 · · Score: 2

      Maybe yeast culturing systems? Or a better, sealed bread box that supports humidity controls (desiccants)?

      We can't print food (well, maybe meat, but it's not affordable at this point), but we could print things that help people better store and preserve food.

      Of course we can't print salt either, the most historically used food preservative...

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    6. Re:Easy answer by countach · · Score: 1

      Nah, she'd print statues of the Virgin.

    7. Re:Easy answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You should have more respect for your fellow human. How much birth control does the average person give to impoverished nations? Surely the humanitarian things she did were a positive on people's lives. She's dead and now just a symbol of altruism. Hate the dogma, not the woman.

    8. Re:Easy answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't you just pull on the string?

    9. Re:Easy answer by girlintraining · · Score: 3, Funny

      Mother Theresa would no doubt have printed a medical tool for removing IUDs.

      Which would have been totally useless since most of the countries and places she setup shop didn't have access to birth control to begin with. It'd be like me building a car in the middle of a desert. Okay, now I have a car. Cool. Now, what about the roads? Or fuel? Bread, on the other hand, is universal: No matter what your situation, bread is useful. Bread is life. Especially in places where she worked... nevermind the religious connotations of giving bread to the poor.

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    10. Re:Easy answer by EETech1 · · Score: 1

      I was thinking rosary after rosary...

    11. Re:Easy answer by ceoyoyo · · Score: 2

      "How much birth control does the average person give to impoverished nations?"

      Not as much as we should, because it's unpopular with the religious lobby?

    12. Re:Easy answer by webgiant · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Mother Theresa would have printed signs reading "Non-Christian Clergy Unwelcome Here" so her nuns wouldn't have to say that as often as they did. 99% Hindu in Calcutta, but not one of them were permitted to see Hindu clergy once they entered the house of the "Ghoul Of Calcutta" (as locals referred to Mother Theresa).

      Then there's her refusal to use FREE diagnosis charts, so her nuns could commit act after act of medical malpractice, because she felt her vow of poverty should extend to her patients. There was her refusal to accept FREE drugs pressed on her by pharmaceutical companies, because she felt her vow of poverty should extend to her patients. And then there was her $10,000 in FREE medical care that she accepted from the Swiss for herself, because "what vow of poverty?" Maybe she thought of that medical care as her very own jar of oil, rubbed on her feet by her Swiss doctors and wiped with their hair.

      Then there was her fundraising for natural disasters, then taking the money and giving it to the Vatican instead of to the refugees from the natural disasters. And her acceptance of huge donations from warlords, and her simple refusal to return the money stolen from the warlord's citizens.

      The woman did enough hateful things all on her own, very little of it relating at all to her Church's dogma.

    13. Re:Easy answer by smi.james.th · · Score: 1

      Or possibly sandals...

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    14. Re:Easy answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hate the dogma, not the woman.

      By some accounts, Mother Theresa was a selfish, self-promoting woman preying on the weak and causing lots of suffering. Before you idolize her, I suggest you read up a bit more on her.

    15. Re:Easy answer by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      If you're going to come over all logical, I have to ask, where is the grain coming from? I mean, you're not proposing that they print bread from PLA, are you? Just because you can theoretically eat it doesn't mean it's a good idea.

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    16. Re:Easy answer by kwbauer · · Score: 1

      In what way is the "religious lobby" preventing you from giving out birth control to people in third world countries? They may be preventing certain governments from using tax revenue (or more accurately, borrowed money) to do so but I have not heard of a single law preventing private organizations from using privately donated money from doing so.

      I think your problem is that you have your head so far up your leftwing ass, that you cannot even imagine that things get done without the government doing them.

    17. Re:Easy answer by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Ah, so colourful, the Slashdot crazies.

    18. Re:Easy answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Better than bread -> oil.

      With oil, I can get water from desalinization, farm with tractors, heat my home, and benefit from an energy slave economy. We also might avoid some wars.

      Bonus points if it sucks CO2.

    19. Re:Easy answer by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

      Don't you just pull on the string?

      Not if you don't want to kill or sterilize the woman.

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    20. Re:Easy answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Beard.

  3. Boring by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I want a giant printer so I can print a tank.

  4. print oil or other kinds of fuel? by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    print oil or other kinds of fuel?

    1. Re:print oil or other kinds of fuel? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      print oil or other kinds of fuel?

      Cut down on the Star Trek, dork, and learn some real science. Even if rearranging atoms were possible, conservation of mass/energy means you have to also feed in the energy difference between the energy you get from the fuel that comes out and the energy available from whatever you put into the machine. That's the bare minimum; it's more because of process losses.

      In other words, there's no free lunch (or oil).

    2. Re:print oil or other kinds of fuel? by mark_reh · · Score: 1

      Ghee?

    3. Re:print oil or other kinds of fuel? by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      I knew a guy in grad school who made oil by putting animal crap in the microwave. I guess you could call the microwave an "oil printer" if you wanted to be colourful. You also didn't want to warm up your lunch in his lab.

  5. handcuffs by Cyko_01 · · Score: 1

    Nobody gets hurt, everybody stays safe

  6. 3D printers are toys. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

    Despite all that talk and hype, despite guns being printed by 3D printers, it is not what the poorer nations need. Simple technology well designed cheap to make and maintain. That is what they need. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_open-source_hardware_projects

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    1. Re:3D printers are toys. by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      3D printers, it is not what the poorer nations need.

      Poor countries often have problems getting spare parts. They tend to have old no-longer-supported gear, such as tractors or irrigation pumps. Even when the parts are available they are too expensive to ship, or are pilfered by the postal workers. If a part for your pump or manure spreader arrives two months late, you have already missed the planting season. A printer that can make a part from a spec downloaded over a cellular network would come in very useful. You don't need one on every farm or in every shop, just within a day's walk.

    2. Re:3D printers are toys. by Immerman · · Score: 2

      An even better solution? Stop buying fragile first-world machines that are designed with the assumption that first-world infrastructure is available. Something like the Global Village Construction Set makes *far* more sense in a developing nation. Sure, you pay as much for your butt-ugly DIY tractor as you would for a second-hand mass-produced model that's probably a bit superior when operating well. But your DIY mostrosity is damn near indestructible, easy to fix if you do break something, and the few complicated parts are bog-standard industrial components so that if something fails you've got lots of sources to get replacements from.

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    3. Re:3D printers are toys. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only a first world geek would think that that is what poorer nations need. You really have no idea what's going on elsewhere, do you?

    4. Re:3D printers are toys. by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      OK, you are the farmer in need of a Widget for your Farm Tool; and also you have a 3D printer; and this is most important, satillite WiFi access to download "build" files and a small texting capability to talk to others out in the wild. But before you can make a part, you need to have something to make a part with. When you look around your farm, what is the most abundent material?

  7. here's an idea by p51d007 · · Score: 1

    How about a printer that can print a printer?

    1. Re:here's an idea by camperdave · · Score: 0

      How about a printer that can print a printer?

      What, like a RepRap?

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    2. Re:here's an idea by mark-t · · Score: 2

      First all, reprap doesn't print a printer. It prints a kit which you can assemble into a printer. Sure a kit can be useful, but it's not the same thing as printing an actual usable printer.

      Secondly, reprap prints only the plastic parts of the printer,but misses out on the electronics and few metal components which are actually required to make a complete functional device, and which must be purchased separately.

    3. Re:here's an idea by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      repraps aim is to eventually print the whole thing.
      to reach that of course printing the electronics and movement devices is necessary. there's some research towards that.

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    4. Re:here's an idea by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Perhaps... but the insinuation was that reprap prints, in the present tense, a whole printer.

      It fails to do so on two counts, which I enumerated above.

  8. um by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    2 words: Dill dough

    1. Re:um by OhSoLaMeow · · Score: 2

      2 words: Dill dough

      For pickle bread?

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  9. Mother Theresa is an unfortunate choice by Richard_J_N · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I think Mother Theresa would choose not to print anything.
    She was a friend of poverty, not of the poor, and considered suffering to be a state of grace.
    She was a rather nasty piece of work, who kept the poor in poverty, and prevented many dying people from getting access to medicine.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WQ0i3nCx60

    1. Re:Mother Theresa is an unfortunate choice by glitch0 · · Score: 1

      Wish I has modpoints today, you're absolutely correct.

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    2. Re:Mother Theresa is an unfortunate choice by Black+Parrot · · Score: 0

      I think Mother Theresa would choose not to print anything.
      She was a friend of poverty, not of the poor, and considered suffering to be a state of grace.
      She was a rather nasty piece of work, who kept the poor in poverty, and prevented many dying people from getting access to medicine.

      So you're saying she was a Republican?

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    3. Re:Mother Theresa is an unfortunate choice by girlintraining · · Score: 2, Interesting

      She was a friend of poverty, not of the poor, and considered suffering to be a state of grace.
      She was a rather nasty piece of work, who kept the poor in poverty, and prevented many dying people from getting access to medicine.

      Yeah, that sounds like a good description of someone who won the Padma Shri, Jawaharlal Nehru Award for International Understanding, Bharat Ratna, Ramon Magsaysay Award, the first Pope John XXIII Peace Prize, Pacem in Terris Award, Honorary Companion of the Order of Australia, Order of Merit, Honorary US citizenship, Albanian Golden Honour of the Nation, Balzan Prize, Albert Schweitzer International Prize, Nobel Peace Prize...

      A real nasty piece of work she is, yup. It's amazing it's gone on for so long without anybody notice. Thank goodness for Youtube publishing a inflammatory "documentary" by a man whose life work was tearing apart anyone who claimed to be religious, said that 9/11 was "exhilarating" for him, and published a book titled "God Is Not Great", if that doesn't give enough of an indication of this man's, achem, axe to grind. Who else has he grilled? Bill Clinton, Henry Kissinger, Lady Diana, Ayn Rand, Pope Benedict XVI...

      Well, I'm sure this one dude with an axe to grind was better qualified to assess this person's character than over two dozen governments and private interests who gave her awards. Oh, I forgot -- She made #1 on Gallup's List of Most Widely Admired People. 18 times. So make that most of the world that she's bamboozled.

      Yes, if you dig down hard enough you'll find something that even the most saintly person has done that could seem controversial. Just ask the Republicans how their whole "Bengazi" crusade is going, if you want a current-events example. With enough scrutiny, everyone can be demonized. And if you don't believe me on that, feel free to sit in an interrogation room with a trained interrogator with 30 years experience. See if you can go a few hours without admitting something that'll crucify your sorry ass. To date, nobody has beaten the Police Interrogation Reality Challenge!(tm)

      I tend to believe that all those awards were for good things done by a largely good person. If she slipped a couple times, it only proves she's human... not a "nasty piece of work".

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    4. Re:Mother Theresa is an unfortunate choice by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      I suspect she would choose to print statues of Mary.

    5. Re:Mother Theresa is an unfortunate choice by ScentCone · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So you're saying she was a Republican?

      Backwards. The party with a vested interest in keeping people dependent on professionals who dole things out to them is the Democrats. That's the backbone of their entire constituency and the framework within which they describe everybody: needing a handout, or needing to be used to pay for handouts. Without playing middlemen to that one-way street, there would be almost not power in that camp. And so they seek to preserve it at every turn.

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    6. Re:Mother Theresa is an unfortunate choice by Richard_J_N · · Score: 2

      Hmm... it's not the relations with dictators that I find so repulsive, nor even her absolute opposition to abortion. Those might be what you call "slip-ups".
      But she did, in fact, preside over awful standards of care, people were denied access to medical treatment, and suffering was not alleviated, because it was considered "spiritually noble". MT also campaigned agains family planning and contraception. So while, by religious lights, she might have been "moral", the effect was deeply cruel and wicked, keeping people in poverty and away from real medical care.

      Also, if you want to take issue with Hitchens,I don't really think you should imply that Henry Kissinger was among the better specimens of humanity! Nor, for that matter, was the previous Pope (whose time in the Hitler Youth one may overlook, as the actions of a child under compulsion, but who fully deserves to go to Hell for knowing inaction on child-abuse, and opposition to condoms despite HIV).

      That said, I do entirely agree with you that nobody is perfect and anyone can be made to look bad. Your "exhilaration" quote is one example... I checked the context of this, and while I don't find it in good taste, it's not an uncommon description of how some people feel at the start of a war, even those on the good side.
      (You might consider imagining yourself as Churchill, at the moment when Hitler invaded Poland - a rather strange mix of gloom at the inevitable impending tragedy, combined with some excitement that, finally, because the evil thing has become so bad, that the world can delay acting no longer and that it will stand up and fight.)

    7. Re:Mother Theresa is an unfortunate choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree that Mother Theresa is a terrible choice; what modern people seem to forget or at least never get told is that in the early days of the reglion (100-400 years after the death of Christ) the major method to prove how holy you were was to get Myrter. It was the goal. Am not saying that what Christ himself envisioned but that is the history of the followers. Am sure in time she gets her miracles and be made a full saint. Though given she died I'm really not convinced she'll care.

      Being a nun or monk until the reformation required for an oath of poverty. There is a belief in some parts of Christian that suffering removes sin or lessen it. 1

      Why people then feel that this is a good thing I'm never quite sure.

    8. Re:Mother Theresa is an unfortunate choice by girlintraining · · Score: 1, Troll

      But she did, in fact, preside over awful standards of care, people were denied access to medical treatment, and suffering was not alleviated, because it was considered "spiritually noble".

      I have previously looked into those allegations. While she may have believed "suffering is good for the soul," it wasn't so much a denial of pain medication as a lack of access to them. Many of these clinics that were setup were in places where access to any medical care was absent.

      MT also campaigned agains family planning and contraception.

      Which, as someone who isn't a medical professional, I have no special problem with. I disagree with it philosophically, but I defend her right to say it.

      ...keeping people in poverty and away from real medical care.

      You should point the finger at the governments that turned a blind eye to the suffering of their own people, not MT's attempts to provide the most basic of medical care to an otherwise totally neglected population.

      Also, if you want to take issue with Hitchens,I don't really think you should imply that Henry Kissinger was among the better specimens of humanity!

      I implied nothing, I simply pointed out that he has an appetite for famous people, the more famous the better.

      our "exhilaration" quote is one example... I checked the context of this, and while I don't find it in good taste, it's not an uncommon description of how some people feel at the start of a war, even those on the good side.

      Yes, but my point was this man has made a career out of being a malcontent, a contrarian, and going after celebrities and political positions because he can get a rise out of people. He's just coated this juvenile behavior in a veneer of intellectualism, but he is essentially a troll.

      (You might consider imagining yourself as Churchill, at the moment when Hitler invaded Poland - a rather strange mix of gloom at the inevitable impending tragedy, combined with some excitement that, finally, because the evil thing has become so bad, that the world can delay acting no longer and that it will stand up and fight.)

      Churchill would have been stomped out of existance if not for the attack on Pearl Harbor drawing the United States into the war. Without our support, Europe would have fallen, and there's nothing exhilerating about that possibility. Were in I in Churchill's position, yes, I would have made the same bold statements, but privately, I would have been shitting bricks.

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    9. Re:Mother Theresa is an unfortunate choice by EETech1 · · Score: 1

      You can has some of my cheezburger since I blew all 15 of mine already...

      Tomorrows another day...

    10. Re:Mother Theresa is an unfortunate choice by Richard_J_N · · Score: 2

      There seem to be quite a lot of references, usually well researched and with eyewitness testimony about poor care. Cases where her victims suffered and died because they went to her care centers, rather than to the existing hospitals. Not to mention the awful waste of giving money to support missionaries rather than medical care. Another example: http://futiledemocracy.wordpress.com/2011/03/28/the-curse-of-mother-theresa/

      As for defending the right to oppose contraception... yes, I agree with you in a Western context, where it's just a debate, and people can rationally choose. But in many less secular societies, this is the equivalent of "fire in a crowded theatre" - her advocacy actually denied people access to birth control, keeping the uneducated poor poor - at this point, it goes from an issue of free speech to one of moral culpability (in the same way that the previous South African president has the blood of millions on his hands for his continued assertions that AIDS was caused by poverty, not by HIV).

      Also, we do actually need the occasional contrarian. Our democracy is weak enough without further deference to the strong, wealthy and powerful! Also, to be a "troll", it's usually implicit that the argument itself is weak. I've not yet seen Hitchens lose a debate.

    11. Re:Mother Theresa is an unfortunate choice by brit74 · · Score: 2

      MT also campaigned agains family planning and contraception.

      Which, as someone who isn't a medical professional, I have no special problem with. I disagree with it philosophically, but I defend her right to say it.

      There's a difference between "defending someone's right to say something" and arguing that they are a model human being. I'm sure you can think of a few examples of nasty things that people have said in the past (e.g. Fred Phelps or the KKK) where you might say "they have a right to say it" but you'd never hold them up as exemplars. Here's the thing: you can defend someone's right to say something, and still think they're an asshole for saying it and believing it.

      ...keeping people in poverty and away from real medical care.

      You should point the finger at the governments that turned a blind eye to the suffering of their own people, not MT's attempts to provide the most basic of medical care to an otherwise totally neglected population.

      Pointing out that some governments acted worse than Mother Teresa doesn't elevate Mother Teresa into a model human being. That's a cheap tactic, actually. If I went and robbed my neighbor and people blamed me for doing it, it would be a poor arguing tactic to start pointing out other people (serial murderers, etc) who are worse than me that "everybody should be pointing the finger at".

      Mother Teresa certainly gave up a lot to help the poor, but her sacrifices were marred by the fact that she did have a particular love for the "sanctifying" effects of suffering ("“There is something beautiful in seeing the poor accept their lot, to suffer it like Christ’s Passion. The world gains much from their suffering,”") and that she did things like discriminate against homosexuals who wanted to be helped. For whatever reason, there's a particular strain of Catholicism that seems to value suffering - as if God will show exceptional mercy and reward for people the more that they suffer in this world. When you believe that the afterlife is eternal, and this life is temporary and short by comparison, it can open up a whole series of perverse beliefs and behaviors.

    12. Re:Mother Theresa is an unfortunate choice by foreverdisillusioned · · Score: 3, Informative

      Hitchens was not the only one. I've seen interviews with people who worked at her hospice were shocked at the degrading, restrictive, at times deadly treatment of people who weren't always terminally ill. Her and her church's despicable decision not to return stolen money (they probably could and would have been criminally charged if they weren't the Catholic Church) is a matter of public record, not anyone's opinion. Her decision to not spent the donations she received on improving her original hospice's conditions, but instead on a religious-geared order modestly bearing her name, is also public record.

      The fact that there was virtually no controversy over these events is not evidence that they didn't happen. It is evidence that the public at large didn't care because once she reached a certain level of fame she was far more useful as a figurehead for anyone to bother looking at what she'd actually done.

    13. Re:Mother Theresa is an unfortunate choice by sed+quid+in+infernos · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The contrary view to the attacks of Hitchens and others of Mother Teresa deserves ahearing, too.

    14. Re:Mother Theresa is an unfortunate choice by girlintraining · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Another example: http://futiledemocracy.wordpress.com/2011/03/28/the-curse-of-mother-theresa/

      Of all the things you say you can cite about this, you choose something with the words "futile democracy" and "the curse" in it? Do I even need to look at it to know it's biased?

      But in many less secular societies,

      Where, exactly, are you going with this? So what if some people think that; It doesn't make it right. You even say so. So at best this is a populist argument.

      Also, we do actually need the occasional contrarian. Our democracy is weak enough without further deference to the strong, wealthy and powerful! Also, to be a "troll", it's usually implicit that the argument itself is weak. I've not yet seen Hitchens lose a debate.

      He lost to Death. I have yet to see anyone win that argument. And I get that you're some kind of Hitchens fan, but maybe he won every last debate he had... but he lost in the court of public opinion. Miserably. This woman won dozens of awards and was loved by millions. Hitchens was a social malcontent whose only claim to fame was being an irritating thorn in famous people's asses... and at that, only a mediocre fame.

      And democracy will survive just fine on the facts; We don't need to carve out special groups to hold above criticism -- strong, weak, rich, poor, powerful, weak... what matters in a democracy is the truth, and having discourse. If you think it's gotten "weak", then you either need to re-examine what you consider democracy, consider that maybe democracy itself is fundamentally flawed, or that there is insufficient participation.

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    15. Re:Mother Theresa is an unfortunate choice by girlintraining · · Score: 1, Troll

      There's a difference between "defending someone's right to say something" and arguing that they are a model human being.

      Hey, I'm glad you figured that out man. But I'm not arguing she's a model human being... Those twenty-odd rewards, public opinion polls, and numerous committees and governments are arguing she's a model human being are.

      Pointing out that some governments acted worse than Mother Teresa doesn't elevate Mother Teresa into a model human being. That's a cheap tactic, actually.

      See, I'm a [wo]man of simple tastes. I like dynamite and gunpowder and gasoline. Do you know what all these things have in common? They're cheap. ... And effective.

      If I went and robbed my neighbor and people blamed me for doing it, it would be a poor arguing tactic to start pointing out other people (serial murderers, etc) who are worse than me that "everybody should be pointing the finger at".

      Oh look, a strawman. Okay, let me point out the epic fail of you here:

      Scenario A: A government neglects its citizens medical care and the citizens are too poor to afford it. Someone steps in to provide 'some' medical care.

      Scenario B: You steal from some citizens. The government catches you. You point to serial murderers and say "Well, what about them?"

      Can you spot the difference?

      As to the rest, you're attacking her beliefs, and her inaction, against a backdrop of a great many people not acting as well -- and somehow trying to say that defeats or minimizes all the good she did. That is a perverse belief and behavior.

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    16. Re:Mother Theresa is an unfortunate choice by foreverdisillusioned · · Score: 1

      I forgot to mention, not only did she not return stolen money but she wrote a letter to the judge asking him to be lenient on the thief who took it. I can't think of a more vile way to handle such a situation, especially when you are a promenent member of such a fabulously wealthy institution.

      And was any of that money spent on painkillers for the people dying in agony (apparently not all of whom came in with fatal injuries) in her hospice? No. Didn't you know that suffering brings you closer to Jesus? Her words, not Hitchens'. If you have evidence that she did eventually use any of her (hundreds of?) millions of dollars to buy even aspirin for the poor bastards dying in Calcutta, I would honestly like to hear about it.

    17. Re:Mother Theresa is an unfortunate choice by foreverdisillusioned · · Score: 2

      "But I'm not arguing she's a model human being... Those twenty-odd rewards, public opinion polls, and numerous committees and governments are arguing she's a model human being are."

      Those are not 'arguments'. Those are statements, and the apparent unanimity you highlight emphasizes just how much they are NOT arguments at all, but blind, popular adoration on par with Bieber fever.

      If you wish I could drag out a very long laundry list of once-popular things (people, social customs, 'scientific' ideas, whatever) that are in hindsight clearly very stupid or undesirable, but I hope you get my point.

      Theresa was famous specifically for supposedly alleviating the suffering of the dying. All evidence shows that she did an incredibly bad job at this, with no painkillers (even after she had millions in donations), dehumanizing policies (enforced bed rest, discouraged visitors), and no attempt to separate the curable from the dying. Running a hospice without painkillers and claiming you're doing good is like... I don't know, running a barber shop and claiming you're doing fine because you're successfully cutting hair along with the steady rain of earlobes. She took money that could have gone to actual caring hospices/charities instead. If you have any evidence she ran a rather good hospice we're all ears. Right now, your argument is the equivalent of pointing at the view counter on a youtube video.

    18. Re:Mother Theresa is an unfortunate choice by girlintraining · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The fact that there was virtually no controversy over these events is not evidence that they didn't happen.

      Everyone moderating me down on these later replies, because if there's one thing us Americans love more than sex, it's watching famous people get cut to pieces. But for your statements to be true, thousands of people who's credibility is at stake if they get it wrong vetted this person and found no problems. She didn't get a Nobel Peace Prize for eating babies and screaming "SATAN!" ... she got it for improving the lives of millions.

      Now you can pitch your conspiracy theory like everyone else here, and collect mod points from the "We Love Watching Bigger People Than Us Fall" crowd, or you can look at this objectively: There's no way so many people could look at her life and so few find a problem.

      We laugh when people deny climate change here and call them retarded, but the moment someone says someone who was fiercely religious has done real and considerable good, it's grab the pitch forks and haraaaaaah...

      Who's wearing the tinfoil hats now, mmm?

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    19. Re:Mother Theresa is an unfortunate choice by webgiant · · Score: 3, Informative

      So you're saying she was a Republican?

      Backwards. The party with a vested interest in keeping people dependent on professionals who dole things out to them is the Democrats. That's the backbone of their entire constituency and the framework within which they describe everybody: needing a handout, or needing to be used to pay for handouts. Without playing middlemen to that one-way street, there would be almost not power in that camp. And so they seek to preserve it at every turn.

      No, the guy to whom you replied got it right: Republicans are the most dependent on a culture of people dependent on professionals who dole things out to them. Red States are more dependent on the Government Dole than Blue States, because Red State policies create a constituency which needs a handout just to survive. Poverty-stricken, uneducated white people vote Republican more often than middle class educated people (who tend to vote Democrat), so Republicans seek to preserve a constituency trapped in poverty, voting Republican on social issues even as Republicans pull the economic rug out from under their collective feet.

    20. Re:Mother Theresa is an unfortunate choice by webgiant · · Score: 1

      But she did, in fact, preside over awful standards of care, people were denied access to medical treatment, and suffering was not alleviated, because it was considered "spiritually noble".

      I have previously looked into those allegations. While she may have believed "suffering is good for the soul," it wasn't so much a denial of pain medication as a lack of access to them. Many of these clinics that were setup were in places where access to any medical care was absent.

      Considering that pharmaceutical companies were lining up in droves to ship her free medications, and she refused, saying her vow of poverty prevented her from accepting free stuff for her patients, this "but there was a lack of access" argument is flimsy at best. She also refused free diagnosis charts, which could have helped prevent her nuns from misdiagnosing malaria in a young boy as a chest cold, as Dr. Robin Fox noted in his article in The Lancet in 1991. Refusing free stuff isn't a lack of access to stuff, since the access to that stuff is readily available and no one was going to charge money for the stuff.. Refusing stuff means Mother Theresa and her nuns were actively denying care to their patients.

    21. Re:Mother Theresa is an unfortunate choice by foreverdisillusioned · · Score: 1

      Dear lord, listen to yourself. I hate to be condescending, but how old are you? Figureheads don't get 'vetted' unless there's a political reason to. No one stood to win any battles by discrediting Thersa so for a very long time no one tried. You singled out the Nobel Peace Prize... why on earth do you think that is a good indicator of anything? This is the same prize they gave Obama for absolutely nothing. (Ok ok, basically just for not being Bush.) The same prize they gave to Kissinger after he arranged the illegal bombing of Cambodia and Laos villages, and set up a failed cease fire in Vienam. The same prize they gave to people who advocated and/or coordinated terrorist attacks against civillians, such as Arafat and Mandela. The latter is another great example of someone who has a squeaky clean image in the mainstream media despite clear evidence to the contrary for anyone who cares to look.

      Protip: reality isn't a democracy, and most people haven't the slightest idea what's going on and what they're meant to be doing. Take a quick look around, tell me you can't spot at least one naked emperor with at least a hundred thousand people cooing over his beautiful clothes. That isn't tin foil. That's a fact. That's society. That's reality. This isn't just me saying this, this is backed up by decades of psychological/sociological studies. Sadly, we are pack creatures. We can choose not to be, but it does take a little bit of effort. Start small, use Wikipedia and start clicking, paying close attention to those little citation numbers as you go.

      I'll get you started: Fan death. Look up "fan death" on wikipedia and explain to me how those MILLIONS of Koreans, including tons of doctors, ministers of health, etc., could all be wrong.

    22. Re:Mother Theresa is an unfortunate choice by Arker · · Score: 1

      Our current president has a Nobel prize as well. For 'peace.' So, yeah, I trust the judgement of the Nobel committee - NOT.

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    23. Re:Mother Theresa is an unfortunate choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > [Mandela] latter is another great example of someone who has a squeaky clean image in the mainstream media despite clear evidence to the contrary for anyone who cares to [i]read his autobiography[/i].

      FTFY.

    24. Re:Mother Theresa is an unfortunate choice by robsku · · Score: 1

      It appears as though you might not have an argument... Strange...

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    25. Re:Mother Theresa is an unfortunate choice by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      There's no way so many people could look at her life and so few find a problem.

      I think you're over-estimating the objectivity and/or integrity of "people." There's also a big difference between "look[ing] at her life" - whatever that actually means - and conducting an inspection of the hospitals she ran and the methods she used.

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    26. Re:Mother Theresa is an unfortunate choice by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Running a hospice without painkillers and claiming you're doing good is like... I don't know, running a barber shop and claiming you're doing fine because you're successfully cutting hair along with the steady rain of earlobes. She took money that could have gone to actual caring hospices/charities instead. If you have any evidence she ran a rather good hospice we're all ears. Right now, your argument is the equivalent of pointing at the view counter on a youtube video.

      You're both just ranting unless you ask the people she supposedly helped, most of whom are presumably now dead. If they were happy then she did a good job. If they were unhappy then she did a bad job. There is no other metric which is meaningful but happiness per dollar or whatever other number you're measuring effectiveness by. (Man-hour? It pretty much always boils down to dollars or hours, and hours can be converted into dollars.)

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    27. Re:Mother Theresa is an unfortunate choice by pkphilip · · Score: 1

      None of you westerners who decry Mother Teresa know squat diddly about her work in India. None of you have a clue as to the type of suffering the poor undergo in India and the type of relief Mother Teresa brought into their lives. Hitchens and people like him who sit on a high horse and pronounce judgments on Mother Teresa have probably not done much to help the poor at all - yes, they may have given a few pounds to charity every once in a while but that is quite different from actually living with the poor and becoming one of them even as you serve them - this is precisely what Mother Teresa did.

      I speak as someone who lives in india and who works among the poor.

    28. Re:Mother Theresa is an unfortunate choice by pkphilip · · Score: 1

      No, there was no controversy because a lot of what Hitchens said is absolute hogwash. They interviewed a few people who worked in the hospice, did they? Well, damn! that is amazing - then it must be true, right?

      How many of the poor have they interviewed to determine the truth? How many of those people ever stated that their situation was made worse by coming under Mother Teresa's care? Many of those who decry Mother Teresa have no idea about the type of suffering the poor undergo on a regular basis in India.

      You know why there is no outrcy? Because to the poor, Mother Teresa is almost a god. They have benefited hugely by what Mother Teresa did for them - they saw her sacrifice and have seen her love.

      But for someone like Hitchens who made it is life ambition to target anyone religious and especially religious leaders, Mother Teresa was a prime target. He couldn't allow a avowed Christian to be seen like a saint - that wouldn't sit well with his proclaimed position and the agenda which he pushed hard with every book, every TV show, every press conference.

    29. Re:Mother Theresa is an unfortunate choice by foreverdisillusioned · · Score: 1

      She made her fame via a hospice in Calcutta. Please show me evidence that she ever personally made the decision to spend any of her millions on buying those poor people painkillers. If she didn't (and I haven't found any evidence that she ever did), your claim is bullshit. She was not a god to the poor. The number one fucking job of a hospice is to provide painkillers, not tell the sufferers that suffering will get them closer to Christ.

      Here's another bit of *objective* evidence you could provide to back up your claim: an opinion poll of the poor people of Calcutta. Not an easily staged interview, an objective poll. And of Calcutta specifically, not any other projects she didn't personally work on. None exists to my knowledge, probably because they would all say that the Protestants did a much, much, much better job of helping them out.

    30. Re:Mother Theresa is an unfortunate choice by foreverdisillusioned · · Score: 1

      It's a fair assumption they would've been considerably more happy if they had morphine. Or the right to get up out of their bed and step outside for a breath of fresh air and talked to their loved ones. Or, for the ones that weren't terminal, a cure instead of a grave. It's easier to assume these people were not happy, much as it's easy to assume the victim of a hit and run didn't have a good day.

    31. Re:Mother Theresa is an unfortunate choice by foreverdisillusioned · · Score: 1

      Also, you can't rely on interviews for the obvious reason that virtually all the people she was directly helping ended up dead.

    32. Re:Mother Theresa is an unfortunate choice by girlintraining · · Score: 2

      Those are not 'arguments'. Those are statements, and the apparent unanimity you highlight emphasizes just how much they are NOT arguments at all, but blind, popular adoration on par with Bieber fever.

      If all those awards were granted based on popularity, you might have a point. But these aren't just committees of private people, but governments offering things like honorary citizenship and awards that are only rarely handed out, and the people handing them out vet it carefully.

      You're saying that entire branches of major world governments have "bieber fever". I'm sorry, but that's an incredibly stupid thing to say. I'm not even going to dignify the rest of your post with further commentary -- it's sufficient to point out that all you're doing is sticking your fingers in your ear and going "NYAAAAAAH!" without a lick of actual thought beforehand.

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    33. Re:Mother Theresa is an unfortunate choice by foreverdisillusioned · · Score: 1

      As I said pointed out elsewhere ( http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3776051&cid=43800655 ), it is very clear that even (especially?) major government-sponsored awards are governed more by popular opinion than any formal vetting process. And as I said in that thread, what is 'incredibly stupid' is to believe that these kinds of awards are well thought out, or that this "everyone calls her a saint!" kind of popular wisdom is at all based on rationality. Do you believe that Kissinger was a fabulous person because they gave him the Peace Prize? What about Arafat? What about Mandela? What about Islam representing the literal truth (something believed by billions... they can't all be wrong!), what about the millions who use homeopathy and the (gasp!) GOVERNMENTS that have given it a seal of approval (including the USA and the UK) ? What about fan death, that mysterious plague that is only known in the country of south Korea where they fear it so much that agencies of the GOVERNMENT continually warn against it and mandate timer switches? Please please tell me who taught you to trust the judgement of governments; I wish to slap them silly.

      If you really do refuse to have your own look at the facts (which you could have done in the time it took you to write one of these replies), preferring instead to substitute the wisdom of the masses, I pity you. Such an attitude will certainlly bite you in the ass some day, if indeed it hasn't already.

    34. Re:Mother Theresa is an unfortunate choice by foreverdisillusioned · · Score: 1

      For the record: despite being what some would describe as a militant atheist, I think that many, many Christian organizations do a tremendous amount of good, including some of the Protestant organizations in India (even Calcutta specifically, if I am recalling correctly.) Specifically, Protestants don't seem to waste nearly as much money on branding and they aren't anti-contraceptive, which in third world areas makes a huge difference. In case you feel that comment makes me especially anti-Catholic: in the USA at least I think the Catholicism is a much more enlightened and a less malignant force as compared to most Protestants. I think the liberals in this country have been the relativelysane ones for quite some time now but 90% of what they're saying and doing about the gun problem is nonsensical and they're still doing a horrible job of differentiating desirable vs. undesirable government spending. I think Mandella isn't Satan but he certainly isn't the saint the world is hellbent on portraying him as. And I think Gandhi was fabulous despite his religious nonsense and a few small moral missteps. I think Hitchens was fabulously right about a lot of things and fabulously wrong about quite a few others. In fact, I believe on at least a few occasions he used deliberately deceptive rhetoric.

      In other words, my opinions are my own; I'm not part of any team and I'm not playing favorites. I'm not motivated by a desire to tear down anyone or join in the slashdot head nodders, it just so happens that the head nodders are correct on this point. I'm not saying this to toot my own horn, just letting you know that people like me do in fact exist. Adjust your ad hominem attacks accordingly.

  10. Si vis pacem, para bellum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    2,000 years of history says they have the wrong idea.

  11. plowshares by turkeydance · · Score: 1

    however there's been a rash of plowshare murders lately.

  12. "If Mother Theresa of Ghandi" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I didn't realize that Ghandi was born before his Mother. I need to read up on this Hinduism stuff!

    1. Re:"If Mother Theresa of Ghandi" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You may simply need to listen to the works of George Harrison. No need to read. Even better, visit Edison, New Jersey and receive via osmosis. Passport may be required.

  13. FTFY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "3D printing is being condemned by idiots because of the potential for printing guns."

  14. Re:Guns are, what ensures peace by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sigh.

  15. Peace dude. by Anarchduke · · Score: 1

    How about we put down the guns and 3D print a Peace Pipe.

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  16. An answer for every question. by ravyne · · Score: 1, Insightful

    If Mother Theresa or[sic] Ghandi had access to 3D printing what would they print?

    That's easy!

    Mother Theresa would 3D print destitite people suffering from horrible diseases, so that she could lock them away in 'hospice' where they will be denied medical care, pain management, and be denied visitors -- even their 3D printed family.

    Ghandi would print naked, pre-pubescent girls to sleep with, so that he can 'prove his piety'.

    Come on Slashdot, what's with the softball questions?

    1. Re:An answer for every question. by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1

      Mother Theresa would print a Plastic Jesus for the Popemobile, and Gandhi would print a dildo for Mother Theresa.

      WWJP?

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    2. Re:An answer for every question. by countach · · Score: 1

      Maybe she'd print bracelets with "WWJP" on the side.

    3. Re:An answer for every question. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If Mother Theresa or[sic] Ghandi had access to 3D printing what would they print?

      This is not the correct way to use "sic". When using the sic notation, you are informing the reader that you intentionally left an error in the quote, not that there was an error and you corrected it. Do one or the other but not both.

  17. What we really need to be worried about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    are 3D printers that can print functional 3D printers.

  18. Re:Guns are, what ensures peace by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

    In this country, the first gun control came about because blacks were firing at KKK lynch mobs. (It's surprisingly easy for a few defenders to fend off an angry mob with firearms. The defenders are already behind cover, whereas their attackers have to close ground. And the defenders have nowhere to go, whereas each attacker has the option of retreating.)

    At the time, the KKK was basically the terrorist wing of the Democrat party, and the Democrat politicians passed the first gun control laws to enable the lynching. The NRA got their start as a civil rights organization fighting those laws.

  19. The AC is right - salt by langelgjm · · Score: 1

    An AC replying to the parent nailed it - Gandhi would have made salt.

    Not really, of course, but the point is that Gandhi led the Salt Satyagraha, a major civil disobedience movement protesting the British colonial salt taxes, which made it illegal for individuals to produce and sell their own salt.

    I'll leave the analogies to others...

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  20. i think south africa won already by decora · · Score: 1

    just google '3d printed hand boy' and bring the tissues

    1. Re:i think south africa won already by SternisheFan · · Score: 1

      just google '3d printed hand boy' and bring the tissues

      I did, and found this, thanks... http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/02/robohand-how-cheap-3d-printers-built-a-replacement-hand-for-a-five-year-old-boy/

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    2. Re:i think south africa won already by J053 · · Score: 1

      Also, see this: http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/22/health/baby-surgery/index.html

      tl;dr a 3d-printed splint to open a baby's airway

    3. Re:i think south africa won already by EETech1 · · Score: 1

      Funny how Google gives those personally tailored results!

    4. Re:i think south africa won already by SternisheFan · · Score: 1

      Funny how Google gives those personally tailored results!

      Nothing 'funny' to it, I linked the Ars article because it had the video of the kid in it. No conspiracy here, if that's what you meant

    5. Re:i think south africa won already by EETech1 · · Score: 1

      Parent post did not sound (to me) like he was getting results nearly as relevant as yours!

      Cheers, and thanks for the link

  21. Guns ARE the Peace Initiative by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

    The NRA told me so. The more guns we have the safer we will be.

    Oh, and chocolate rations are being increased again.

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    1. Re:Guns ARE the Peace Initiative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Printing a "Piecemaker" shall bring the piece. Piece, as we all define it precisely everywhere, is the condition of everybody being dead.

  22. This just in by redmid17 · · Score: 1

    The two causes are not mutually exclusive, and I say this as a gun enthusiast who would not fire a 3D-printed gun with his own 2 hands.

    1. Re:This just in by ravyne · · Score: 1

      You'll get my 3D printed gun when you pry it's sprinters from my cold, bloody stumps!

    2. Re:This just in by Black+Parrot · · Score: 2

      The two causes are not mutually exclusive, and I say this as a gun enthusiast who would not fire a 3D-printed gun with his own 2 hands.

      I shoot with my 3D printed hand. You should see the looks on peoples' faces when I have my hands in the air, and suddenly the 3D printed hand whips out a 3D printed gun and shoots them right between the eyes.

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  23. Re:Guns are, what ensures peace by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sigh.

    Sigh.

  24. 3D printing is being condemned in the media... by Dracos · · Score: 1

    Because the media and all their "analyst" guests are ignorant, myopic, ratings-chasing, fear-mongering drama queens. Their reaction to "the potential for 3d-printed guns" is just one more manifestation of this. The Liberator may have been downloaded 100k times, but I bet at least 80% of those people don't even have a 3d printer (and never will), and less than a dozen of them will actually get printed.

    1. Re:3D printing is being condemned in the media... by Migraineman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The tag line "The potential for guns made from commodity parts found at the local hardware store" just isn't sensational enough to move copy. Folks have been hand-crafting zip guns for the better part of a century now, if not longer. Hell, half a century ago you could order a firearm (long or short) through the Sears catalog and have it delivered to your doorstep via the Postal Service. No oversight. No license. No FFL. Wasn't the end of the world until the ignorant, myopic, ratings-chasing, fear-mongering drama queens made it so.

  25. Mouth to mouth guard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Those mouth to mouth guards used for CPR.

    1. Re:Mouth to mouth guard by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      Those mouth to mouth guards used for CPR.

      cheaper to make by casting.
      pretty much everything is.

      3d printing is not for mass production. except for producing the mass production tools.

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  26. Teeth. by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Sintered ceramic teeth -- dentures and bridges, faster and more accessible dentistry.

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    1. Re:Teeth. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These are already fairly common in larger dental offices. Here's one company's flagship model, for example. However, every one that I've seen in the field is a milling machine that starts with a solid cube of material then trims it down to the required shape. I'm not sure you would ever be able to achieve the necessary precision and durability with an additive printing machine.

    2. Re:Teeth. by balise · · Score: 0

      Good answer!

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  27. MT would print by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    food, clothes, water, or medicine.

  28. Re:Guns are, what ensures peace by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    So, what you're saying is... war is peace?

  29. Re:Guns are, what ensures peace by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The NRA got their start as a civil rights organization fighting those laws.

    LIES.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Rifle_Association#Origins
    Origins

    The National Rifle Association was first chartered in the state of New York on November 17, 1871[12] by Army and Navy Journal editor William Conant Church and General George Wood Wingate. Its first president was Civil War General Ambrose Burnside, who had worked as a Rhode Island gunsmith, and Wingate was the original secretary of the organization. Church succeeded Burnside as president in the following year.

    Union Army records for the Civil War indicate that its troops fired about 1,000 rifle shots for each Confederate soldier hit, causing General Burnside to lament his recruits: "Out of ten soldiers who are perfect in drill and the manual of arms, only one knows the purpose of the sights on his gun or can hit the broad side of a barn."[13] The generals attributed this to the use of volley tactics, devised for earlier, less accurate smoothbore muskets.[14][15]

    Recognizing a need for better training, Wingate traveled to Europe and observed European armies' marksmanship training programs. With plans provided by Wingate, the New York Legislature funded the construction of a modern range at Creedmore, Long Island, for long-range shooting competitions. Wingate then wrote a marksmanship manual.[13]

    After winning the British Empire championship at Wimbledon, London, in 1874, the Irish Rifle Team issued a challenge through the New York Herald to riflemen of the United States to raise a team for a long-range match to determine an Anglo-American championship. The NRA organized a team through a subsidiary amateur rifle club. Remington Arms and Sharps Rifle Manufacturing Company produced breech-loading weapons for the team. Although muzzle-loading rifles had long been considered more accurate, eight American riflemen won the match firing breech-loading rifles. Publicity of the event generated by the New York Herald helped to establish breech-loading firearms as suitable for military marksmanship training, and promoted the NRA to national prominence.[13]

    Eight U.S. Presidents have been NRA members. They are Ulysses S. Grant, Theodore Roosevelt, William Howard Taft, Dwight D. Eisenhower, John F. Kennedy, Richard M. Nixon, Ronald Reagan, and George H. W. Bush.[16]

  30. To secure peace is to prepare for war by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To secure peace is to prepare for war. So designing a better 3d gun should count.

  31. Salt by Culture20 · · Score: 1

    Gandhi would have printed salt. Of course the machine would have required salt as an input, so he would have just taken the salt.

  32. Peaceful Printers by kwiqsilver · · Score: 1, Insightful

    If Ghandi had been able to print guns, maybe the Indians would have been able to eject the British sooner, and with fewer innocent Indian deaths.

    Mother Teresa would not have printed anything to help people. She spent most of the money she raised on building convents, not on the poor. Mother Teresa wanted the poor to suffer, because she thought it made her closer to Jesus.

    I have a great suggestion for using 3D printers to promote peace: build guns, since the worst violence of the 20th century was from authoritarian governments against their own disarmed populations. Nazi, Commie, Fascist, etc. thugs are a lot more hesitant to go into a town, if they're not sure who in the town might have a gun, or worse, if they suspect everybody in the town has one.

    1. Re:Peaceful Printers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except all the worst violence was done with the consent of the governed. Everyday white Germans had no problems with Jews being disarmed and since Hitler needed people who knew how to shoot he actually loosened gun controls. Your one dimensional pro-gun narrative is terribly inaccurate.

    2. Re:Peaceful Printers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      since Hitler needed people who knew how to shoot he actually loosened gun controls.

      How many Jews were allowed to own guns?

    3. Re:Peaceful Printers by kwiqsilver · · Score: 1

      Uh...no.

      Remember Sophie Scholl? I don't think she consented...or the Jews...or the gays...or the gypsies. A scared person nodding along in agreement to the gun-toting stormtroopers is not consent.

      The "loosening" of gun control in 1938 added more groups to the prohibited list, including Jews. Additionally, it limited firearms ownership to persons whose trustworthiness is not in question and who can show a need for a (gun) permit . How many dissidents' gun license applications do you think the Nazis signed off on? Zero? Nada? None? The only "loosening" was that loyal nazi party members were able to get permits more easily.

      And I clearly was talking about 3D guns, not 1D guns (How would that even work?). But hey, since you weren't able to refute the idea of armed thugs being more afraid of armed citizens than unarmed ones, it's much easier to pretend.

  33. Re:Guns are, what ensures peace by bunratty · · Score: 1

    [citation needed]

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  34. Oh really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Why do the engineers at Michigan equate guns with killing people? Why not self-defense or the defense of others?

    1. Re:Oh really? by Beeftopia · · Score: 2

      Guns are a "high karma" device. Capable of great good and great evil.

      On the one hand, they can be used to defend the innocent, save lives, and fight evil. On the other they can be used to kill the innocent, take lives and cause great evil.

    2. Re:Oh really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is because as members of an academic community which by definition is shielded from market forces said members will adopt a collectivist worldview. In the collectivist worldview, individuals are irrelevant, except for those who organize and maintain the collective structure. These are privileged elite . These have the security thug class to protect them from the masses.

  35. Gandhi was a gun rights advocate by Syphilis · · Score: 2

    "Among the many misdeeds of British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest."

            - Mohandas Gandhi, an Autobiography, page 446.

  36. we can do better.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's kind of sad that nobody can really think of anything to print that isn't a gun....
    I was thinking sex toys.

  37. Hmm, Humans are obsessed with 2 things. by VortexCortex · · Score: 1

    Humans are pretty much obsessed with 2 things, well, actually, all lifeforms are: Killing and Sex.

    Things eat other things to live, even trees try to poison the ground or overshadow undergrowth to kill the other plants so that they may survive... So, if we can't do the violence thing, then it's the other one.

    DILDOS FOR ALL!

    1. Re:Hmm, Humans are obsessed with 2 things. by godrik · · Score: 2

      maybe you can combine the two obssession into... dildo-bayonettes

  38. For medecinal purposes? by SternisheFan · · Score: 4, Insightful
    instead of printing weapons to hurt and kill each other, how about using this tech for good-ness, and not 'bad-ness? (just a crazy thought) Like, oh I don't know..., this:

    USAToday, May 22, 2013 - Researchers at the University of Michigan have used a 3-D printer to create a custom-made, life-saving implant for baby boy, they report in a letter in 'The New England Journal of Medicine.'

    Researchers at the University of Michigan have used a 3-D printer to create a custom-made, life-saving implant for a baby boy, they report today in a letter in The New England Journal of Medicine.

    The baby, Kaiba Gionfriddo, suffered from a rare disorder in which one of the airways in his lungs collapsed when he exhaled. The problem caused him to stop breathing and turn blue when he was only 6 weeks old. Even with a mechanical ventilator, Kaiba stopped breathing virtually every day, requiring doctors to perform emergency resuscitations.

    "We'd recently had a child in the hospital who died of this, and I said, 'there has got to be a solution that we can find for these kids,' " says co-author Glenn Green, Kaiba's doctor and an associate professor of otolaryngology.

    So Green and his Michigan colleagues tried something new.

    Using a 3-D printer, they custom-built a tiny, flexible splint that will grow with Kaiba. Researchers used a special material designed to be absorbed by Kaiba's body in about three years, says co-author Scott Hollister, a professor of biomedical and mechanical engineering.

    Instead of making a cast of Kaiba's airway with plaster, they used a CT scanner, which gave them a 3-D blueprint.

    Like a vacuum-cleaner hose, the C-shaped splint is flexible enough to move when Kaiba breathes. But it's also firm enough to prevent his air tube from flopping shut, says Green.

    Kaiba was able to come off the ventilator three weeks after his surgery in February 2012. "Our prediction is that this will be a cure for him," Green says. "The splint will go away and the process will be done."

    The porous splint is made from the same material as dissolvable stitches, Green says. Just as a wisteria vine grows through a trellis, Kaiba's body will create new cells to permeate the scaffold. By the time the splint is completely absorbed, doctors hope that Kaiba's own tissue will be sturdy enough to keep his airway open.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/05/22/3d-printer-implant-baby/2348091/

  39. Just wanna say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Guns aren't about "killing one another."

    A credible threat of retaliatory violence is the single most effective deterrent to actual violence.

    Guns are about stopping YOU from attacking ME. Having it can make that possible even if I never use it to kill anyone.

    1. Re:Just wanna say by Artifakt · · Score: 5, Insightful

      1. Stopping an attacker more quickly is often the important consideration to designers. Modern firearms achieve that 'more quickly' by increasing lethality. Hollow point rounds, Glazier slugs, and high capacity magazines are generally all methods of stopping more people faster, but the 'stopping' part converts pretty directly to killing more often, or in larger numbers, and trying to make a semantic distinction there is psychobabble. 'Stopping' by deterence is far from all 'stopping', and if we are talking logically here, show me one perp who has ever claimed he would have continued with his attack except he realized the pistol he faced had 17 rounds and not just 6. Yes, I'll freely concede that deterrance sometimes works. Hell, I've used it myself. Now what about all that other stopping?

      2. I'm a former enlisted soldier who eventually took a comission as a military officer, and who has actually trained people with things the professionals call guns (up to 120 mm MBT pieces) and not just those silly pistols and rifles and such. I can't count the number of times I have disagreed with someone on the NRA right and recieved that lecture that starts with "Guns don't kill people...", as though anyone who disagrees with any point in their playbook must be that totally ignorant. I've had my claim to service challenged, by people who admit they have never served, but can't believe anyone who disagrees with them over any point at all might have given more to the USA than they did. I've had people tell me that only people who were wounded count as real patriots, or that Desert Shield/Storm didn't count as real combat or even real service, because I disagreed with an NRA talking point. I've had self professed NRA spokesmen accuse me of war crimes, saying without any evidence what-so-ever that if I really served at all, I was probably the kind of bad soldier who shot unarmed civilians and ran from real combat. Your post is more of the same - defending verbal tricks by insulting everybody who disagrees with you.
                You don't know me. You probably didn't mean any of your remarks about illogical libtards and such to apply to me. But I have met enough of the people on your side that stoop to that that I do hold you responsible for standing alongside them. Please don't ever thank me for my service, it would sound too much like you spitting on it.
       

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    2. Re:Just wanna say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Logic is not content, and so it is certainly not value judgements.

      Just sayin.

    3. Re:Just wanna say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      If Linux's foaming-at-the-mouth zealots harm the adoption of Linux, why don't leftism's zealots harm the adoption of leftism?

      I'm not disputing what you're saying; I'm honestly curious.

      For it to be that way the Leftists first had to obtain positions of power in schools, universities, and media. The absurd "zero tolerance" means it begins early and defines a reality. At no point does any school logically explain in a calm, rational manner that or any other policy to the students, nor how society existed for so long without it. It's just vigorously enforced. The mainstream media has a well documented leftist bias. So do universities and colleges.

      Remember when McCarthy conducted crazy witch hunts trying to find Communists? His methods were batshit insane. That sorely discredited any point he might have had. But he definitely had a point. What he worried about actually happened. Not like a conspiracy. More like the spread of a religion. Religions are also not based on rational principles. Religions are also relatively benign unless they are backed by financial and political and PR power. Then they become abominations made from the worst parts of dogmas and abuses of power.

      What leftism has great difficulty doing is converting people who don't already adhere to it. There is little power to its message. That is why it's done through the schools and through biased media. Rarely is it ever presented openly and honestly in a form where its proponents can be legitimately questioned. It's why leftism does poorly in mediums like talk radio despite efforts being made - callers can question the host. See, with Linux both its zealots and their opposition are on the same (many-to-many, not one-to-many) medium and must make a rational case to persuade potential users.

      This is not at all like expelling a child from school not because pointing a frenchfry actually harmed anyone, but because you want to instill in the young and impressionable a certain fear of guns. There is no rational defense for that. There are certainly visceral, emotional, irrational reasons for that based on one's own fear of guns and the refusal to conduct one's own factual research on the topic. Linux has rational advocates who quickly reveal how unreasonable the zealots are. Leftism has no such blessing.

      To the intellectually immature emotional thinkers leftism is designed to appeal to, the presence of zealots gives them the false security of being part of a herd. Like the more weak-hearted religious people, being among the likeminded is important to them. It's the other reason why character attacks, childish name-calling, subject changing, demonization, getting easily offended, this obsession with group identity, and the desire to make absolutely everything a personal matter is so characteristic of leftist rhetoric. That list describes their playbook for most every situation.

    4. Re:Just wanna say by matfud · · Score: 1

      Not the GP,

      If you have served in any military then you know that guns do kill. That is their purpose. That is why they exist. For good or bad is not the question. You have probably seen the outcome of that.

      Are guns designed to kill?

        How many armed random people do you want around your neighbourhood?

      I am not a soldier. Never have been and never will be hopefully.

    5. Re:Just wanna say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Please don't ever thank me for my service, it would sound too much like you spitting on it.

      Nothing you did in Iraq concerns me one way or the other. The US military hasn't fought an enemy because it posed a threat in a very long time. I assume you served for your own personal reasons, not for my thanks or that of anyone else.

      I assume your combat was quite real. That's what troubles me in fact. Personally I need a much MUCH stronger reason than "my gov't (trustworthy institution that it is) doesn't like these people who were planning to leave us alone". Hypothetically, I could shoot a burglar that broke in at night and threatened my family. I hope it never, ever comes to that but if it did, I'm not hesitating. Bad call, burgler. You see, that person is actually a threat and knew they would be perceived as such. Some dude in Iraq's so-called elite republican guard within the borders of Iraq, not so much. And I am not interested in the propaganda about what a terrible dictator Hussein was. If we feel that way perhaps we should not have given him such great CIA training and support. You were aware of that before signing up, right?

      If you think anything George H. W. Bush told you was a good reason to travel thousands of miles and start killing some of your own species, so be it. We must each decide these things for ourselves. Like I said, I very much believe that the combat was quite real. I don't imagine anything could be more real. Your courage and your dedication are not what I question.

      As you see, I think for myself. I am sorry that some unreasonable NRA types hurt your feelings and now you falsely feel justified assuming I am one of them. That's about as reasonable and respectable as those who disparaged your military service or called you a liar because you disagreed with a talking point. Apparently you are just like them and now it is I who disagreed with your talking point. You are now illustrating the difference between someone who finds merit in liberal thought, and a libtard (my post did mention both). I wish you had done it by being the former, but we must each decide these things for ourselves.

      You see, I am not a member of the NRA. NRA has never received a penny from me. I am a pragmatist who views guns as a necessary evil. If criminals have guns then the law-abiding also need to have guns. Criminals definitely have guns. I view it as a balance of power and nothing more. The data on conceal-carry and gun-free zones is just too compelling to deny that. I am not a "my team vs. your team" kind of guy. I don't root for a team. I don't delight in carrying some organization's card. I am an individual. I offered my opinions. Is that so hard to understand?

      I mean truly, if you are so easily insulted and made to become emotional and irrational, perhaps Internet discussion is going to be too rough for you.

    6. Re:Just wanna say by matfud · · Score: 1

      A slightly different question. How many people do you trust to handle a firearm safely?

    7. Re:Just wanna say by Phroggy · · Score: 1

      Thank you for having the courage to stand up to the nutjobs who would demean your service.

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      $x=~y+ -xz+\0-Tx+;print$_^chop$me for split'',$x;
    8. Re:Just wanna say by Roblimo · · Score: 2

      "If Linux's foaming-at-the-mouth zealots harm the adoption of Linux, why don't leftism's zealots harm the adoption of leftism?"

      They do.

    9. Re:Just wanna say by webgiant · · Score: 0

      Guns aren't about "killing one another."

      A credible threat of retaliatory violence is the single most effective deterrent to actual violence.

      Guns are about stopping YOU from attacking ME. Having it can make that possible even if I never use it to kill anyone.

      You are using logic. The Libtards really hate that because they cannot refute it. They have to mod you down (done), call you names, scream at you, defame and mischaracterize you, and then pat themselves on the back for championing their ideology and its favorite methods. What they WILL NOT do is explain why mass shootings almost always happen in "gun free" zones where law-abiding citizens are unarmed, explain why conceal-carry permits decrease violent crime, explain why places like Chicago with terribly restrictive gun laws have such high murder rates, or explain how the "zero tolerance" schools they run benefit children in any way when they expel them for point a frenchfry at another child and saying "bang bang" like the cops-and-robbers games children have always played. You see, it is not that they don't want to explain those things. They would love to. They simply cannot. They are not reasonable people. They are highly emotional and emotionally volatile. Your post was on-topic, was not trolling, etc. But they modded it down anyway. It went against their ideology, you see.

      Oh we explain these things, because most of the NRA's claims about shooters and guns are flat out wrong. Folks such as yourself have to forget that we explain these things so that your internal narrative remains consistent. But of course, facts have a liberal bias.

      They had to mod it down for the same reason the Catholic Church had to refuse to look through Galileo's telescope (and then punish him). Galileo did nothing wrong. You have done nothing wrong.

      Then lets look through that telescope! After all, if the gun lobby is like Galileo, then the facts will support their narrative. And if the facts don't support their narrative, then they are like the Catholic Church: didn't bother to look at the facts, just jumped to the conclusion they liked.

      The NRA Myth of Gun-Free Zones Data shows the gun lobby's chief argument for more firearms in schools, malls, and beyond is just plain wrong.

      Among the 62 mass shootings over the last 30 years that we studied, not a single case includes evidence that the killer chose to target a place because it banned guns.

      Concealed carry permits have not been linked with a reduction in crime.

      No link between right-to-carry laws and changes in crime is apparent in the raw data, even in the initial sample; it is only once numerous covariates are included that the negative results in the early data emerge. ... [W]e find that the statistical evidence that these laws have reduced crime is limited, sporadic, and extraordinarily fragile. Minor changes of specifications can generate wide shifts in the estimated effects of these laws, and some of the most persistent findings — such as the association of shall-issue laws with increases in (or no effect on) robbery and with substantial increases in various types of property crime — are not consistent with any plausible theory of deterrence.

      Chicago's murder rate is largely the result of the lax gun regulations outside Chicago, not Chicago's gun control. If anything, Chicago is proof that we need more gun control, not less.

      Most

    10. Re:Just wanna say by mi · · Score: 1

      Concealed carry permits have not been linked with a reduction in crime.

      The supposed rebuttal, to which you linked, cites a single study, which did not rebut the original assertion by John Lott. The large collection of people authoring it could not come up to any conclusion — in their esteemed opinion, there is no link between the carry laws and the murder rate. From your link:

      We conclude that Lott and Mustard have made an important scholarly contribution in establishing that these laws have not led to the massive bloodbath of death and injury that some of their opponents feared. On the other hand, we find that the statistical evidence that these laws have reduced crime is limited, sporadic, and extraordinarily fragile.

      So, if John Lott is right, relaxing concealed carry laws will help. If he is wrong, it will not hurt. What grounds are there, again, for the massive violations of the 2nd Amendment, that you and yours are demanding?

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    11. Re:Just wanna say by stenvar · · Score: 1

      How many armed random people do you want around your neighbourhood?

      (1) Gun toting murderous thugs? None. (2) Armed guards protecting me? The more the better

      Gun control does nothing to affect the size of population (1), but it reduces the size of population (2).

    12. Re:Just wanna say by robsku · · Score: 1

      This has nothing to do with left wing politics - you don't have that in USA anyway. Just saying.

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    13. Re:Just wanna say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      explain why places like Chicago with terribly restrictive gun laws have such high murder rates

      What happened to the /. chant? Let's all say it together folks... correlation is not causation.

      Oh, right, that only applies to computers and shit. Guns, hey, let's just say whatever sounds good.

    14. Re:Just wanna say by nospam007 · · Score: 2

      The army prefers wounding people, they don't care about stopping power and they're not allowed hollow points. A 18 year old enemy who is shot dead, just gets a mass grave, no money for any wife or kids, that's it.

      A wounded guy might still shoot for a couple of hours but sooner or later, they have to be dealt with, binding medical personnel, supplies, hospitals, transportation, logistics, disability, pensions etc, all things that hurt the enemy financially.

      Check what the US has to pay for veteran care and you'll know. These things still hurt the enemy _decades_ after the fact.

      Even people with carpet knives know that.

    15. Re:Just wanna say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, you're saying that it makes good financial sense to kill your own wounded. Indeed, shooting your own wounded therefore becomes *required* in order for the greater good of the country! Not sure that's a road we really want to go down...

    16. Re:Just wanna say by DigitalReverend · · Score: 1

      People using guns kill. People using knives kill. People driving cars kill. People using piano wire kill. People using rocks, sticks, baseball bats, frying pans, pillows, rolling pins and poison kill. The objects themselves do not kill, they can be used to kill.

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    17. Re:Just wanna say by BasilBrush · · Score: 0

      Gun control does reduce (1). Gun toting murderous thugs often use their own or a relative's legal gun. Or steal someone's legally held gun. As an obvious recent example Adam Lanza.

      It need not necessarily reduce (2). If you actually mean what you say. "Guards". So that wouldn't be random members of the public carrying, that would be trained people, in uniform, who's job it is to guard. There's no reason why gun control that limits guns in the general population can't allow guards to have guns. A law can be drafted with any provisions required.

    18. Re:Just wanna say by BasilBrush · · Score: 0

      As pointless as that statement is, it's not strictly true, and will become less so in future years. The technology is there for a computer to pick a target, aim and fire. Autonomous guns are not held back by any technological limitations, but so far only ethical ones.

      And any thought that ethics will stop them for much longer should be gone with given the gross irresponsibility of that idiot putting out plans to print plastic guns.

      The gun is the unavoidable component of shooting someone, not the person.

    19. Re:Just wanna say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I were from the USA I wouldn't thank you. Each cent you were involved in spending rightfully belonged to the tax payer it was stolen from. Military spending is legitimate when it is limited to defending the nation from foreign invaders. What you did was fighting to for the evil dream of some politician. The population need guns so they can rise up and kill politicians and everyone that protect them should they ever go to far in his war against the population.

      But I'm not from the USA. Our own politicians have turned our military from a capable defensive force to a small group of elite soldiers travel the world and pissing people off by attacking them combined with a huge bureaucracy back home. We are allies of the USA. Your military adventures may have scared potential attackers. So thank you. *spits*

    20. Re:Just wanna say by stenvar · · Score: 1

      Gun control does reduce (1). Gun toting murderous thugs often use their own or a relative's legal gun. Or steal someone's legally held gun. As an obvious recent example Adam Lanza.

      Ah, so your true intentions come out: you're not talking about gun control, you're talking about prohibiting private ownership of guns altogether and mislabeling it as gun control.

      It need not necessarily reduce (2). If you actually mean what you say. "Guards".

      Obviously, I meant "guards" metaphorically as any person who would come to my defense.

    21. Re:Just wanna say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We NEED Internet guns, shooting trough the tubes of the net to curtail the flaming attacks of the Internet tough guys and trolls!!! There is simply no other way to prevent them from attacking us and to keep up the rule of netiquette!!!

    22. Re:Just wanna say by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Ah, so your true intentions come out: you're not talking about gun control, you're talking about prohibiting private ownership of guns altogether and mislabeling it as gun control.

      There is no rational reading of what I wrote to mean that. My comment simply proved yours incorrect.

      I conclude you are irrational.

      Obviously, I meant "guards" metaphorically as any person who would come to my defense.

      Which is not the meaning of guards, in any sense.

    23. Re:Just wanna say by DigitalReverend · · Score: 1

      But then it is the computer doing the killing not the gun.

      Yes, shooting implies a gun, or some type of projectile, like an arrow or a rock from a slingshot but shooting != killing.

      It is 100% accurate is that guns do not kill people. Just like hammers don't hammer nails. It takes a person, or in the case you mentioned, some type of automaton.

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    24. Re:Just wanna say by stenvar · · Score: 1

      There is no rational reading of what I wrote to mean that.

      It's the only rational reading: the guns Adam Lanza obtained were legally owned by a citizen with no criminal convictions, firearms experience, and no mental illness. The only way Lanza could not have obtained those guns would have been if such citizens were prohibited by law from owning guns at all.

      Therefore, if you support laws intended to prevent tragendies like Adam Lanza's, you necessarily support laws that keep law abiding, sane citizens from owning guns.

      My comment simply proved yours incorrect.

      No. You are simply parroting the same false and inconsistent promises that progressives like to make; you resolve inevitable and uncomfortable tradeoffs by putting fingers in your ears and pretending they don't exist.

    25. Re:Just wanna say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem there is, as the number of (1) gets smaller the risk of members of (2) being careless, negligent or worse starts to outweigh the risk posed by (1).

      Remember the youtube video of the "firearms instructor" shooting himself in the foot in class? Don't forget that half the people out there are of below average intelligence!

    26. Re:Just wanna say by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      It's the only rational reading: the guns Adam Lanza obtained were legally owned by a citizen with no criminal convictions, firearms experience, and no mental illness. The only way Lanza could not have obtained those guns would have been if such citizens were prohibited by law from owning guns at all.

      That is incorrect. All forms of gun control have the effect of reducing the number of guns in circulation, even if they don't ban them outright. And a reduction in the number of guns means reducing the chance that a "murderous thug" can get hold of a gun.

      Ergo, you claim (1) is logically incorrect.

      Where you depart from rationality is saying that your incorrect logic then reveals anything about my particular preferences for gun control. Even if your logic had been correct it wouldn't have said anything about my position.

    27. Re:Just wanna say by kwbauer · · Score: 1

      Some guns are designed to be able to be used to more effectively kill but some guns are designed around being able to shoot at paper targets very accurately. Granted such guns could be used to kill but seldom are because they are too clumsy to use for such purposes or they are too small a caliber to serve that purpose.

    28. Re:Just wanna say by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      But then it is the computer doing the killing not the gun.

      But not the person.

      Is it the computer doing your clothes washing and not the washer? Is it the computer sweeping your floor and not the Roomba?

      You can separate out one technological part from another if you like, but doing so makes no philosophical difference. A machine incorporating a gun can kill or a machine can kill with a gun. Either way it makes the silliness of the phrase "Guns don't kill people, people kill people" obvious.

      A gun is a tool to kill people. It's normally operated by people, but not necessarily.

      The motivation behind the catchphrase "guns don't kill people, people kill people" is to do nothing about the tool, and only deal with the people. The motivation is no more rational than the catchphrase.

    29. Re:Just wanna say by stenvar · · Score: 1

      That is incorrect. All forms of gun control have the effect of reducing the number of guns in circulation, even if they don't ban them outright.

      You gave Adam Lanza as an example. What form of gun control would allow legal gun ownership that would have kept Adam Lanza from obtaining a gun?

      Where you depart from rationality is saying that your incorrect logic then reveals anything about my particular preferences for gun control.

      As far as I can tell, you have no logically consistent preferences at all. I'm just saying that your justifications for gun control are wrong.

    30. Re:Just wanna say by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      You gave Adam Lanza as an example. What form of gun control would allow legal gun ownership that would have kept Adam Lanza from obtaining a gun?

      You're not being logical. Adam Lanza was an example of someone killing with a gun that was legally held be a relative and then stolen. That doesn't mean that the effectiveness of the many variants of gun control are judged by the one case of Adam Lanza. Using an example does not men that that example becomes the entirety of the topic.

      All forms of gun control reduce the number of legal guns in circulation. Murderous thugs find it more difficult to get hold of guns when there are fewer guns in circulation. To argue the contrary is not logical.

      Does any of that mean that the Adam Lanza case is not part of this, of course not. An example gun control measure that is not a total ban, but would have meant that Lanza's mother would have had hers: Only allow people who are cops, security guards or otherwise have a job with a specific set of justifications for firearms to have one. There. Done. QED.

      You have no rational argument against this.

    31. Re:Just wanna say by stenvar · · Score: 1

      Does any of that mean that the Adam Lanza case is not part of this, of course not. An example gun control measure that is not a total ban, but would have meant that Lanza's mother would have had hers: Only allow people who are cops, security guards or otherwise have a job with a specific set of justifications for firearms to have one. There. Done. QED.

      I.e. you do want to ban private gun ownership by law abiding citizens, you're just misleading people by calling your ban "gun control".

      (Why any European would want to hand exclusive power to a combination of corporations and governments is beyond me; have you learned nothing from your history? How stupid can you be to repeat the same mistakes over and over again?)

    32. Re:Just wanna say by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      I.e. you do want to ban private gun ownership by law abiding citizens, you're just misleading people by calling your ban "gun control".

      You're still confusing a universal logical truth, reachable by anyone, with what I "want".

      (Why any European would want to hand exclusive power to a combination of corporations and governments is beyond me; have you learned nothing from your history? How stupid can you be to repeat the same mistakes over and over again?)

      Are you actually capable of rational argument, or is your entire capability to claim another person says or believes something they did not say?

      Is your faith in your own beliefs really that weak? It's like you know you're on the wrong side of reality, but you want guns anyway.

      You've switched from UK to European. I'll switch back, because every country in Europe is different. There are no "corporations" involved. No corporation nor it's employees have any more right to carry firearms than anyone else. You're silly attempt to connect with the Nazis, isn't only a failure, it flies in the face of the facts. And that's par for the course for you.

      Again, the irrationality that seems to be going through your head is not what happens in the UK, but ascribing a desire to me which I do not have. Corporations and their employees are the last people I'd give extra gun rights to.

    33. Re:Just wanna say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, knock it off. Your argument for gun control based on Adam Lanza is lying in shatters, you have misused the term "gun control" to mean total banning of private gun ownership.

    34. Re:Just wanna say by Applekid · · Score: 1

      The NRA Myth of Gun-Free Zones Data shows the gun lobby's chief argument for more firearms in schools, malls, and beyond is just plain wrong.

      FWIW you can't interrogate a mass murderer that committed suicide during the spree, so it's pretty obvious there's no data about why they selected where they committed their crimes.

      It's a little like trying to find data I ate a grilled cheese sandwich two days ago.

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    35. Re:Just wanna say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This has nothing to do with left wing politics - you don't have that in USA anyway. Just saying.

      Could you elaborate please? I am genuinely interested. I have heard that US has right and more-right but never did anyone saying that explain what they meant.

    36. Re:Just wanna say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Logic is not content, and so it is certainly not value judgements.

      Just sayin.

      That's why you make your own value judgements and back it with your own content after using logic to correctly identify what you are dealing with.

      Did you have a point?

    37. Re:Just wanna say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      explain why places like Chicago with terribly restrictive gun laws have such high murder rates

      What happened to the /. chant? Let's all say it together folks... correlation is not causation.

      Oh, right, that only applies to computers and shit. Guns, hey, let's just say whatever sounds good.

      If I am planning a trip and have a whole host of cities I could choose to visit, I know which ones I won't be going to.

      Sometimes not getting shot by some mugger or gangbanger means more than making everything into a scientific experiment so you can make a smug point about correlation and causation. Scratch that, it means more to me all the time. I really don't care _why_ a city has more lethal violence because I am not in a position to do anything about it. What I know is that some are a lot more friendly than others. Those are the ones I go to.

      Sorry if that's not mathematically rigorous enough for you but yes it is what sounds good to me.

    38. Re:Just wanna say by robsku · · Score: 1

      I wish I could, but rather than post a good long explanation of deeper politics of USA versus other western countries with most have parties all along the left-right axis - which in itself may not be that good indicator, for example there's a party here in Finland which is economically on left but socially on right.

      The best I can say is that the parties have very little difference on large things that truly matter. And even of these things the differences are only on areas they've chosen to be used as weapon against other, so usually moral/social issues (like gay marriage). USA democracy seems sad enough because it's trapped in nearly impossible to break two-party game - without a huge percent of people starting to vote for "3rd parties" anyway. But economically these parties are very close from my Nordic point of view, and while socially Democrats might be a bit more noticeably on left the truth is that in comparison to most mixed-system democracies the only two parties currently seriously (as seen by others) in the game are clearly on the right from the middle of the fictionary axis.

      If someone can really explain/write about this better/deeper I'd be glad too. Even just to read it myself.

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    39. Re:Just wanna say by matfud · · Score: 1

      Change that as it is not correct.

      Most guns are designed to be able to be used to more effectively kill.
      Others exist but they are in the minatory. (and still allowed even in countries such as the UK that have very strict laws against purchasing guns)

  40. Re: Guns are, what ensures peace by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Sigh.

    Sigh."

    *SIGH* [faux outrage amped to 11]

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  41. Re: Guns are, what ensures peace by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's more weariness than outrage.

    What has GP contributed?

    The gun debate at least as it plays out on slashdot is an endless rephrasing of the same arguments.

    The pro gun side has about five different principles they can bring up so there is no winning.

    Natural rights
    Constitutional rights
    Individual safety
    Utility vis-a-vis hunting
    Sport (target practice)

    The other side is just concerned with public safety but if you don't accept seemingly self evident claim that more guns leads to more violence, then those arguments come down to statistics and so both sides always claim to win.

    Honestly it seems pointless to argue. GP thinks that guns are peaceful. Why not say freedom is slavery? There seems little point in rehashing old arguments when that's all that will be uttered.

  42. Weird focus on killer when can almost print liver by dbIII · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There's been a lot of progress with organic materials and it's almost at the point of printing organs. Livers are at the top of the list.

  43. Mother Theresa of Ghandi? by mbone · · Score: 1

    That's a typo (well, 2), but it is interesting that they picked these two, which shows that they understand basically nothing about the philosophy and work of either figure.

    Here is a hint - Mother Theresa did not treat the dying, only comforted them, and Gandhi believed in rejecting technology and returning to a simpler era. So, the simplest answer for both is, nothing.

    1. Re:Mother Theresa of Ghandi? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a typo (well, 2), but it is interesting that they picked these two, which shows that they understand basically nothing about the philosophy and work of either figure.

      Here is a hint - Mother Theresa did not treat the dying, only comforted them, and Gandhi believed in rejecting technology and returning to a simpler era. So, the simplest answer for both is, nothing.

      Assuming that what you claim is true, I see your point about Gandhi, but I fail to grasp the relevance of what you say about Mother Teresa. She could print up some louse-free bed linens, wash cloths, and so on. Well, maybe that doesn't make much sense because 3d printers are really only useful for making small plastic parts for prototyping and such, but if you're going to try to engage this slashdot article then you have to enter into its fantasy world in which 3d printers are poised to evolve into the replicators of Star Trek.

  44. Re:Guns are, what ensures peace by Freddybear · · Score: 2

    If you want peace, then prepare for war.

  45. Teddy Bears by rwa2 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Guns are tools of the weak and afraid. They clutch them close to their chests to make them feel like they have some power in this crazy, cruel world.

    But all we really want is love, approval, and security. Hence, teddy bears.

    At least it's better than my first impulse to print a vagina.

    1. Re:Teddy Bears by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...Hence, teddy bears.

      At least it's better than my first impulse to print a vagina.

      No, it isn't.

  46. Another 3d printer by istartedi · · Score: 1

    Another 3d printer. Everybody knows that capitalism is peace. This way, the 3d printer is just another form of money that creates its own interest. Eventually we'll be up to our necks in printers. We'll be so rich and it'll spawn fabulous new businesses like 3d-printer landfill operations, 3d-printer recylcing, and 3d-printer central banks to slow or speed up the production of 3d-printers.

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  47. Why only US? by wvmarle · · Score: 2

    Why would they limit this to the US? That's only a small portion of the world's population. And not the most peaceful country in my mind, too, with all those guns around and wars they started and so.

    And on top of that, both Mother Teresa and Mahatma Ghandi are not Americans either.

  48. Make Love, not War! by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

    Yeah, that's about it.

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  49. Re:Guns are, what ensures peace by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think you'd want something better. They are now very old and wont' work.

    If I were you, I would have posted:

    [Toyota needed]

  50. Now you're just encouraging infringement by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

    Those designs will be protected by IP laws. And what will they say when you can pirate the design for a new liver?

    "Drink up, me hearties, yo ho!"

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  51. Some of these things are not like the others by Dave+Emami · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I really, really want to be for this. Not because I have anything against 3D-printed guns, I'm all for those, but because some of the things on their list are good ideas and make sense. Some of the other stuff is pure nonsense, however.

    "Low-cost medical devices." Excellent idea. "Tools to help people out of poverty." Also excellent. Lots of potential in both of these to improve, and in many cases save, people's lives.

    But then we get to "Designs that can reduce racial conflict." Err, what? Someone is waaay overestimating how effective their "Coexist" bumper sticker is. It would be nice if 3D printers could produce some sort of object for people to brandish at racists like crucifixes at vampires, but it's not going to happen. "Tools that would reduce military conflict and spending while making us all safer and more secure." Look, I'm for reducing conflict and increasing safety and security, too, but if an object to do that hasn't been created using more-mundane fabrication methods, a 3D printer won't be able to make it, either -- and there aren't any such objects, unless (like me and apparently unlike the folks sponsoring this) you think that being armed makes you more secure.

    This is being run by Michigan Tech's Department of of Material Science and Engineering, but it looks like someone from one of the squishy majors snuck in and added items to the list. I hope there are a lot medical and tool ideas submitted (pity they don't have a way to donate money to increase the prize), but I really wish they hadn't included the silly, groan-inducing stuff.

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    1. Re:Some of these things are not like the others by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is being run by Michigan Tech's Department of of Material Science and Engineering, but it looks like someone from one of the squishy majors snuck in and added items to the list.

      This is Michigan Tech. The squishy majors die off over the winter.

    2. Re:Some of these things are not like the others by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is being run by Michigan Tech's Department of of Material Science and Engineering, but it looks like someone from one of the squishy majors snuck in and added items to the list

      No, that's just Michigan Tech for you. $50 million dollar budget and no goddamn sense. This is the university which recently decided to outsource its entire "groupware" system to Google, rather than have their own students implement their own system and learn something in the process. It's the same faculty who continually give each other raises and pats on the back as students walk miles through the snow and blizzards, because they "just can't afford" to build a parking garage. In other words, business as usual at your usual run of the mill American institution of "higher" learning.

    3. Re:Some of these things are not like the others by brm · · Score: 1

      How about printing stars for Sneetches whose bellies lack them? That might do something about racism, at least among Sneetches.

  52. You're just asking people to infringe IP by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

    I mean, these liver designs will be protected by IP laws. So what will we hear when the pirates steal this work and you can print a new liver on your own home machine?

    "Drink up, me hearties, yo ho!"

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  53. What people need is tools by cphilo · · Score: 1

    Axes, buckets, shovels, saws, knives, cooking pots, tarps, harnesses, fishing poles, gardening tools to start with. Later they will need more complex tools, such as auto parts.

  54. Re: Guns are, what ensures peace by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...seemingly self evident claim that more guns leads to more violence

  55. Re: Guns are, what ensures peace by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm using that word in a way you may be unfamiliar with. Instead of implying that the claim is not true, I'm rather trying to get across that the claim seems self evident to me but others do not agree.

    Do you understand now?

  56. Re:Guns are, what ensures peace by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 2

    While it's true that most if not all of the gun control laws between the Civil War and World War I were part of the 'Jim Crow' system of creating separate systems of "justice" delineated on race, it is, as the AC who responded to you notes, false to say the NRA was a 'civil rights organization' and indeed it had little political function until after the NFA. You overreach into fiction degrades the value of your facts.

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  57. Guns do make life better by SuperKendall · · Score: 1, Funny

    Engineers at Michigan Tech believe there is far more potential for 3D printers to make our lives better rather than killing one another.

    Guns aren't for killing one another.

    They are either for sport, or for keeping people from killing/harming you.

    Guns have historically protected groups that might otherwise just have been removed altogether. Travel back in time, ask Martin Luther King and his followers how "bad" guns are.

    It's nice that 3D printers can make our lives better in other ways too, but we should not exclude one of them through irrational fear.

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    1. Re:Guns do make life better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course, go ask any tyrant.

      The pasttime of any tyrant is to evaluate the potential danger to his regime arising from every technological innovation. This is why consumer products are being revamped to mitigate if not eliminate or preclude their use as weapons.

      What are those twenty-four words that brought so many people here to the USA? Hmmm, it starts with "a well-regulated Militia..."

    2. Re:Guns do make life better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ask Martin Luther King and his followers how "bad" guns are.

      Don't you guys get an entire day to remember that? MLK was killed by having free access to healthcare right?

    3. Re:Guns do make life better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is this modded funny? MLK was a gun owner and was regularly guarded by gun owners to resist the persistent threats of violence towards him.

    4. Re:Guns do make life better by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      MLK was only around as long as he was because he owned guns and was surrounded by people with guns. Had they not had them you would never even heard of him, just another black guy dead at the hands of the KKK and a system that didn't care.

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  58. Proof by Dunbal · · Score: 1

    Well, reading through all of these responses I see that we have managed to prove that 3D printers are basically useless toys.

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  59. Liberty maintained with Cold War footing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Peace through strength works every time. This is precisely why globalists detest it. Peace at any price leads to Soap, Pillow Fill and Lampshades®.

    Damn Godwin!

  60. Guns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Guns

    1. Re:Guns by BlueStrat · · Score: 1

      Guns that shoot the person who is pulling the trigger.

      Good job. Now you've turned a simple rapist into a necrophiliac. He could have had a nice warm, live, victim to rape if she had not been armed with your "kill the user" defense weapon.

      Hard to blow a "rape whistle" when the rapist has the unarmed woman around the throat.

      If anyone thinks gun control or gun bans protect those who need protecting most over the long term, please watch this historical documentary: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pa-lNiIDsFM

      Strat

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  61. amazing by decora · · Score: 1

    i was going with el-cheapo printers but you went professional.... im guessing lots and lots of doctors are starting to use this stuff

  62. Guns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Guns that shoot the person who is pulling the trigger.

  63. Re:Guns are, what ensures peace by fishybell · · Score: 1

    You'll have to bear in mind that the democrats and republicans used to occupy very different areas of the map then they do now, and philosophically were opposite from where they are now with respect to each other. Somehow the worst of the KKK and its ill all stayed in the same general zone. Just look at any interactive electoral college map (this one works fine) and look back in time for 1956, 1960, and 1964 to watch the change. The southern democrat as they existed then, do not exist now, but the people who made up that population still do.
    And now, somehow, republicans think everyone will believe that they're not the same as they were 4, 8, or 12 years ago, when really, demographically, they trace their roots to slavery, and their policies have long followed.

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  64. I Lost Faith In The Press by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Journalists of today work for corporations that are driven primarily by a desire to make profits by selling advertising. Very few of them have enough spine to insist on the same amount of column space for stories about Predator Drone Killer Flying Robots as for stories about 3D Gun-Printing Devices. I am 50 years old, and I have lost faith in the press.

  65. Maybe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe before we rush to adopt 3D printers we should stop to consider the consequences of blithely giving this technology such a central position in our lives.

    1. Re:Maybe by ledow · · Score: 1

      You've been reading too much XKCD.

  66. Medical use of 3-D printer by Dave+Emami · · Score: 1

    In a bit of convenient timing, found this news story via Instapundit a few minutes ago, about medical use of a 3-D printer saving a baby suffering from a rare lung ailment.

    With hopes dimming that Kaiba would survive, doctors tried the medical equivalent of a “Hail Mary” pass. Using an experimental technique never before tried on a human, they created a splint made out of biological material that effectively carved a path through Kaiba’s blocked airway.

    What makes this a medical feat straight out of science fiction: The splint was created on a three-dimensional printer.

    Here's hoping that the competition helps stuff like this.

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  67. Who needs a 3D printer to make a gun? by Roblimo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    $20 or less at Home Depot will buy you everything you need to make a .410 or 12 ga. shotgun. No machining required, either.

    1. Re:Who needs a 3D printer to make a gun? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's outlaw Home Depot!

  68. I'd print by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    a different type of CPAP mask. The current designs leak air and cause noise like crazy. (Wakes your spouse is is generally none too happy about being woken again.)

  69. insanity = safe at any price by johnwerneken · · Score: 0

    I can see that perhaps fewer firearms MIGHT correlate with fewer people shot, but probably it would work the other way. Someone contemplating potential use of a firearm, for whatever reason, surely can readily obtain a firearm, regardless of whether or not "printable guns" become an additional access method. And I notice that marijuana and cocaine have been illegal for longer than I have been alive, as has under-age drinking of alcohol, but I know of nothing besides chosing NOT TO that keeps anyone wanting alcohol, marijuana, or cocaine from getting some, and it seems that the number detered by law is quite possibly exceeded by the number spurred on by the concept of doing something prohibited.

  70. For Peace? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who said printing guns is for war? Guns in the hands of private citizens help keep the peace at the domestic level.

  71. Re:Guns are, what ensures peace by webgiant · · Score: 1

    Even more humorous is that the modern NRA is currently trying to overturn many of the gun control laws it helped write before 1977.

  72. Re:Guns are, what ensures peace by mi · · Score: 1

    The NRA got their start as a civil rights organization fighting those laws.

    LIES.

    Yes and no:

    The NRA was founded in 1871 after the Civil War by Army and Navy Journal editor William Conant Church (pictured above) and General George Wood Wingate of the Union Army, who were both dismayed at the horrible accuracy of Union soldiers during the Civil War. The original purpose of the organization was for rifle marksmanship training. However despite this, the NRA is the oldest civil rights organization in the United States. [emphasis mine]

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  73. MOD PARENT UP by Vidar+Leathershod · · Score: 0

    Fantastic points, highly insightful. It's funny how the dogma they feed you in the school systems talks about McCarthy's witch hunts, and then ignore the fact that much of what he claimed was actually correct (see Venona Project - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venona_project).

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  74. Si vis pacem, para bellum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Si vis pacem, para bellum

  75. 3D Printing - More Than Just Guns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They are already using 3D printers for printing useful things like non-perishable food, and organs from cells.

    Close-minded people are giving 3D printers a bad rap.

  76. What to print? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Conception control.

    AC

  77. Moe things to it than guns ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why just guns?

    3D-printers could just as easily be used to create keys of various kinds ... which could remove the manufacturing bottleneck that's part of the current lock-and-key potection model, as well as availability of key blanks. 'Universal' keys would be the first to go: wouldn't be surprised to find TSA/Travel Sentry baggage keys as 3D-printer masters, for example.

  78. A world without guns is more scary. by JimtownKelly · · Score: 2

    The world is much more peaceful because people are armed.

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  79. The Reason for all the Scaremongering? by advocate_one · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's because the rich who own the means of production are absolutely terrified of teh disruptive power this tool gives the poor. They can see what's coming and they want it legislated such that the machines have to be registered because you know, people might print up a gun or knife... but they really want them tied up with loads of red tape to keep them out of the hands of the people.

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  80. I've got it! by mianne · · Score: 1

    I've got the perfect 3d-printed device that will stop wars, infighting, greed, jealousy, and so forth! It's a tall and wide-jawed set of calipers At its center point, there's a long and razor-sharp blade attached to a spring-loaded release mechanism. Simply press the calipers against whatever item is contested as belonging to two different people and depress the plunger. Behold! a precisely even split of a cupcake, pizza, or whatever else the kids or roommates are fighting over,

    First World Problems, I hear you scoff?? Not so fast! Eliminate this sense of perceived injustice amongst middle-class brats, and they'll be less likely to grow into the folks wanting to invade other lands for their natural resources and exploitable citizens. Surely Gandhi would have approved of that! Still think this idea still only directly benefits self-entitled Westerners? Imagine how useful this device would have been for Solomon when he was dealing with those ladies fighting over a baby!

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  81. mother theresa by lkcl · · Score: 1

    my brother worked for mother theresa's hospice in india, 25 years ago. it wasn't what you'd think. they had a number of people come in from different outside organisations who tried to order people around: this being india they of course didn't listen, because why should they listen to foreigners?

    so my brother stayed there and worked with them for six months before advising them to build a brick out-house for effluent, to change the sheets on the beds when somebody died, and to wash the needles in between injecting one patient and the next.

    it also didn't help that as mother theresa got older, she began to lose her memory and would wander off, go to sleep, taking the key to the medicine cupboard with her so that nobody could get access to it for an entire day.

    ghandi on the other hand is a far better choice for discussion, here. i love the story where he was asked by a mother to tell her son to stop eating sweets: he told her to come back in 2 weeks. when they came back, he said, "stop eating sweets!" and the son went "yes yes mr ghandi!!". the mother, perplexed, asked "why didn't you do that 2 weeks ago??" and he said "because i had to first give up sweets myself".

    now *that's* inspiring, and it tells you something that we can learn from this fuss over 3D printing. there's no point asking "what would ghandi do with a 3D printer" because it's the principles that ghandi applied in his life *whenever he met someone* that are the key. it's never about the technology: it's about the people and what they face.

    the point is: asking this question is silly. what you need is just to have the 3D printer, and go wander around the world, meeting people. you'll soon find problems that can be solved with it.

  82. Sure is a telling sign ... by techstar25 · · Score: 1

    It's a telling sign of the state of the human species when 3D printers are finally invented and the first thing we make with them is weapons and armor. Anthropologists are probably having a field day, or certainly will 100 years from now.

  83. Great! Let's re-claim 3D printing for good uses. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This movement is a nice kick in the balls for home-grown terrorists like Cody Wilson. He and other mentally ill gun-nuts subverted 3D printing for their own bizarre purposes, so they could indulge deeper in their doomsday scenarios and crippling fear all gun-nuts suffer from.

    I'm glad 3D printing advocates are looking for positive, peaceful ways to use this technology, which is how it was always intended to be used. Technology can be used by rational, intelligent people for good, or by deranged, fearful potheads like Cody Wilson for evil.

    Cody Wilson may be a huge dickhead, but the rest of us law abiding citizens can prove 3D printing has real value and entirely peaceful and legitimate uses.

  84. If it's anything like slashdot by tompaulco · · Score: 1

    If the rest of the media is anything like slashdot, you would think that the ONLY thing you can do with 3D printers is print media. I see about 3 articles a week in slashdot about printing guns and zero articles a week about printing anything else. I am smart enough to know that there are 3D printers being used for thousands of other purposes, but if the only one being reported is printing guns, then what is the public to think other than that this tool's only purpose is to print gun? Shame on you, fearmongering media. Anything for clicks, huh? This is why we can't have nice things.

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  85. Mother Theresa of Ghandi? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    If Mother Theresa of Ghandi had access to 3D printing what would they print?

    I suppose Ghandi is a place, now? Nice editing.

    If Mother Theresa had access to 3D printing she would use it to print money.

    If Gandhi had access to 3D printing he might have used it to print farm implements. He certainly never fired a gun...

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  86. Prosthetic limbs for victims of terrorism? by realsilly · · Score: 1

    In every country, there is terrorism of some citizen. We've seen it all too often on the news media, but more so in high profile areas. Third World Countries (I hate that term) have a lot of terrorism of it's citizens, I thing specially fitted prosthetic limbs would be a good start.

    Of course, someone may have already come up with this already.

    Peace Out.

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  87. Similibus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... If Mother Theresa of Ghandi had access to 3D printing what would they print? ...

    Mother Theresa : beds, sheets, shelter - to die in. Which all she could do in the beginning, for the masses of immig- er, untouchables being born, living, and dying in the alleys. Stuff to do maintenace and cleaning would probably be useful. Bandages, bedpans et.al. Scissors, ... infirmary items. As well as ways to collect and filter water. Maybe a vertical herbarium, for medicinal herbs. Some way to collect solar energy? Medicine would be nice. Food, would be revolutionary.

    Ghandi? - Seawater to salt quick evaporators. Ditto for homespun. Purifiers. And everything from dentures to hydraulic dams, and electronic apparatus. Libraries. Schools. Physical, remote, travelling, correspondence, satellite. All.

  88. a few helpful things by DriveDog · · Score: 1

    Parts for simple, cheap, reliable water purification machines, IUDs, parts for machines to process local resources into raw materials for printers, and parts for printers.

    1. Re:a few helpful things by DriveDog · · Score: 1

      And no, that's not what MT would print.

  89. Gandhi would have printed guns. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    “Among the many misdeeds of British rule in India, history will look upon the Act which deprived a whole nation of arms as the blackest.”

      Mahatma Gandhi

    http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/34791-among-the-many-misdeeds-of-british-rule-in-india-history

    -CR

    1. Re:Gandhi would have printed guns. by kwbauer · · Score: 1

      Don't be injecting facts into a discussion about gun control. The 'fraid of my own shadow crowd doesn't like facts.

  90. It is Gandhi not Ghandi! by pkphilip · · Score: 1

    Please get this right.

    Ater all, It has only been a few years since he has been famous /sarcasm.

  91. Something from http://opensourceecology.org/ by WillAdams · · Score: 1

    The wiki is quite interesting, and I'm hoping to build some of the things from the site once I get my Shapeoko http://www.shapeoko.com/ up and running again.

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    Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow.
  92. Four things to start. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For these things to be worth a damn to the impoverished they must do at least three things:

    1) They must be capable of producing most or all of their own replacement parts;

    2) A complete unit (already powered) must be able to produce multiple, alternative forms of power generation, probably starting with a rudimentary solar unit but also including hand cranks, mule rings, shallow-creek generators, and so on; the assumption from the start should be that these devices will be most important where there is no power grid or the devices are banned from using it;

    3) It must be capable of acquiring, using and modifying open-source designs with MINIMAL chance of interference. It is probably a [i]terrible[/i] idea to give them an always-on Internet connection (someone is sure to take it over and start printing Pikachu figurines instead of whatever the owner needs);

    4) It should have some sort of a "telomere" that imposes reproductive limits on the device, because as John Von Neumann noted, once a machine can replicate itself, its numbers will expand geometrically. I have no idea if there is an even theoretically valid way to limit reproduction, but I can guarantee you that some dumbass farmer is going to turn a solar-powered printer loose finding raw materials and reproducing like mustangs on the free range--which they will do until the Earth is covered in them.

    I'm pretty sure that some of the above is on the objective list of a lot of printer designers, but here's the thing that I think is most important: The Man is going to stop at nothing to put all of you down, because you threaten everything they already own and control, like production and governments and your future.

    But The Man has never had to fight a hyperbolic curve like this, and at least in the U.S., certainly won't fight it in a thoughtful or correct way.

    The Man is very likely to play right into your hands, by attempting to impose some bullshit legal restrictions on the ownership and use of the devices, which will ensure that THE MOST OPEN DESIGN--one probably among the first to be declared outright illegal--will be the one that receives the most interest, improvement and support from the design community. Within a few months or a couple of years, their numbers will overwhelm any attempt to control them, and the future shall be yours.

    Please don't be a jerk when your machines take over, eh? You don't have to emulate our current keepers.

  93. Obviously for peace.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Open Source 3D Printed Hydroponics Grow Room w/ Carbon Filter to grow unimaginable amounts of weed.
    This $20/gram deal is unnecessarily expensive. It's just weed. Stop freaking out about it....jees

  94. The article summary is stupid. by bmajik · · Score: 1

    Guns are constructive and pro-peace. People who think otherwise may not have the perspective of ever living in fear or under oppression.

    Human nature exists; there are people that for, whatever reason, have poor impulse control, no ethics -- whatever. There are humans who are prone to preying on those whom they feel are weaker.

    In the past, the law of nature was simple: the stronger prevailed over the weaker. The youth prevailed over the old. The men subjugated the women.

    Ruthlessness, strength, youth, aggressiveness... these things decided the outcome of most human interactions, for most of human history.

    The gun changed that.

    Put a handgun (or preferably, a carbine) into the hands of both of them, and a 90 year old grandmother can now have a meaningful conflict with an 18 year old 300lb musclehead. The conclusion is no longer foregone. And the musclehead knows it.

    Arm the common goodfolks in society, and total violence decreases. Data supports this conclusion.

    (to say nothing of the _moral_ imperative that honest people not be denied the use of arms)

    The bottom line is this: arming good people reduces the aggregate amount of evil in the world. It turns the history of victimization on its head. The number of bad people who are "more effective" at being evil because of _their_ use of firearms doesn't compare to the amount of good that results from arming the good guys and thereby preventing more victimization, both in better outcomes when victimization is attempted, and from "herd immunity" because thugs are less inclined to attack people who will be harder marks.

    Finally, the article summary is especially ignorant for implicating that Ghandi wouldn't 3d print guns.

    "Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest. If we want the Arms Act to be repealed, if we want to learn the use of arms, here is a golden opportunity. If the middle classes render voluntary help to Government in the hour of its trial, distrust will disappear, and the ban on possessing arms will be withdrawn."

    Mohandas K. Gandhi, Autobiography: The Story of My Experiments with Truth, Chapter XXVII, Recruiting Campaign, Page 403, Dover paperback edition, 1983. This book was originally published by Public Affairs Press in 1948.

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    My opinions are my own, and do not necessarily represent those of my employer.
  95. Apparently... by denzacar · · Score: 1

    Hence, teddy bears.

    At least it's better than my first impulse to print a vagina.

    Someone out there shares your way of thinking.

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    Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens
  96. Mother Theresa would no doubt have printed a medical tool for removing IUDs.

    Which would have been totally useless since most of the countries and places she setup shop didn't have access to birth control to begin with.

    India, with its huge population, had a large program making IUDs available at no cost to people in the poorer regions who wanted them.

    Mother Theresa's work included providing medical treatment to the poor in many of these same regions. Her clinics were noted for removing the government-provided IUDs of women who were there for other procedures, without seeking permission or even informing the woman that it had been done.

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    Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
  97. Re:Weird focus on killer when can almost print liv by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Liver is Evil and Must be Destroyed!

  98. peace, world peace ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    first thing to do if your looking for peace,
    Mother Theresa of Ghandi would not be allowed actually to enter this contest to communicate with each other, as you both need to be US citizens,
    so if you want to promote world peace and not your own agenda, open it up to the world, that is a first step of peace
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