Because we want students at public schools using free software and learning to hack it, and without a desktop takeover, that's not going to seem viable for anyone.
In Australia that might be the ticket, but here in the US they'll just find a useful program to cut. Last I knew the CIA had a legally undisclosed budgetary dispense, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if NSA falls under the same category. If they don't find a useful program to cut, they'll force the companies to pay for it, who will pass the costs on to us or risk losing capital from shareholders.
When dealing with an enemy like a government, one cannot assume that its resources are necessarily limited within the scope of the conflict so long as one is within the jurisdiction of that government. And when dealing with any but a "rogue" state in 2014, one cannot assume that simply leaving a border will necessarily provide a buffer, as nice as that might be. I'm pretty sure Ed Snowden will eventually get sold for something more valuable to Putin than egg in Obama's face.
And it is no longer just the playground of conspiracy theorists and lunatic fringe anarchists like myself to be at odds with the government. Since they have decided to violate the very documents which they all swear to on more massive scales than any other hypocrite in the history of the continent, I believe that the government has made itself the enemy of the American people, who I would prefer to no longer associate myself with, but again, simply leaving America would not put me far enough away from her.
The Wall Street Journal says they caputure innocent users' data
You know, I'm sure the WSJdid not fucking say that, because for all the money they make they at least spend some of it on a decent spell-check or even, gasp, a human editor. I mean holy motherfuck. Here I am combing the streets, looking for work. You're making hundreds, maybe thousands. maybe even tens of thousands of dollars per hour from the traffic on this site. You can't even spell capture? I mean, in google-chrome-stable it shows me even in this box right here when a word supposedly mis-spelled, though often it's just saying that it's not a word in the dictionary, such as motherfuck. Motherfucker, though, that passes.
And don't bother blaming the submitter since this part came after his quotation section. You fucking douche bags. Get it together. I don't care about beta; it's your site. But as a thinking person I'm offended that your hacker mentality has not permeated over into the literate part of your fucking brain: never stop improving, motherfucker. I wouldn't be half as good at writing code now if it weren't for the self-criticism and absolute discipline that my early days as a fiction writer instilled in me.
You fucking turd, seriously. When do we get to start rating the actual posts? Or is this whole feedback thing just a marketing technique for you, totally out of tune with Rob Malda's vision?
I don't disagree with you, I think it's totally unnecessary, and I think we should hold them accountable: that is, in accordance to how much child pornography in that jurisdiction an outside source believes is occurring, preferably a reputable outside source like one of the apprehended, the law enforcement must have a significant increase in CONVICTIONS (not busts, which are not necessarily based on facts or evidence).
I need one of these dogs to sniff my ram packages from eBay and let me know next time I get one that's going to fail within 6 months. Son of a bitch. You know I never suspected the ram, I thought it was the hard drives failing me.
I think the cops probably need to do more old-school investigating and undercover work. I think that we need the death penalty for child molesters and life imprisonment for anyone caught in possession of or distributing child pornography. I think it'd be great if there were any tool under the law besides the second amendment with which to handle the chimo problem, but that only allows us to kill them when they're actively raping or attempting to rape our kids.
Does prohibition work? No. Does this government regularly over-reach? Yes. Can we trust law enforcement at any level to protect our children from bad people? Unfortunately, my life says no. So what is to be done? Well, we as developers and hackers and such could do a lot more of our own vigilante work, but it goes fundamentally against our beliefs in privacy and such. But I mean... what do you do with these people? I know, here's a great idea. Let's just deport them to Europe, anywhere, where they can be "recuperated" or whatever it is called. But it's not a thing that happens, rehabilitation. You're talking about people between the ages of 25 and 85 who are guilty of these crimes. This says to me that some of them get away with it for 60 odd fucking years unscathed. I'm sure there are plenty of liberal and conservatives who believe there are more "real" problems for the govenrment to focus on, but honestly, for my tax buck, you can take away everything and just put in place a Child Molestation and Pornography Eradication Bureau and I'll be completely satisfied. Throw away the army, the whole welfare state, and every law you claim that protects me. I only want this one authority to exist and I only want it to exist because I can't see any other way to stop these bastards besides using the collective violence that is the state but using it more efficiently and more regularly.
And furthermore, strategy wise, it provides the opportunity for the manufacturer to actually find out what the product is worth. But I guess you're more likely to do that if you're not funded by Silicon Valley VCs.
I realize they have the right to stop selling anything to anyone at any time for any reason, but I'm struggling to figure out what their beef with this is. They should simple alter the dev kit product so that it is virtually impossible to not spot the difference between it and the actual product. This way the resellers will be prevented from claiming the device is the genuine article. Otherwise, what's the problem? Someone else making money off your product? Did Steve Jobs come out of the grave and buy this company? Am I being an asshole or is this just more anti-Chinese xenophobic garbage in the US media and amongst decision makers here? So what if I decide I want to do that, from Colorado? What are you going to do, sue me? I buy it, it's my property. It doesn't quite matter why I buy it, or for what purpose I buy it. Then I have the right to sell it. For whatever price I value it at that you are willing to pay. Is this not the way capitalism is supposed to work? I'm not going to pretend it does work, I'm just asking, did I get that part right?
Hey man, at least you're not under the impression that any of this is more than the impulse of men with a bit less intellect than those reading this forum... I'm not operating under assumptions, no matter what you say.:P
When you look at it, my position makes the most sense out of what is being said around this issue. There is a minority (the cable providers) effecting decisoins for the majority (everyone else, from Google to Netflix). The majority should simply protest this and the government won't be left with a choice.
Yeah for real. I have Netflix and I use it now and then with netflix-desktop, which is pretty nice if you ask me, but all things being equal, you can always just install QtWeb, block everything, and hit up TPB on a daily basis. It's a waste of time trying to have morals in a situation where even when you pay what you're supposed a third party thinks it has the right to stop you.
Okay then, Google and the rest should be saying: we'll find a way to directly hook into the home as if this were the early days and we owned everything except the dirt we buried the cables in though sometimes we own that too. Silicon Valley needs to grow up and swing its weight. A tax protest from just a few major corporations would be costly, and if they encouraged their employees to join, the impact would be ten fold. It's time we got together and, as a people, told the government it is not taking another step without our damn permission.
I say more power to them, but it certainly brings a little heaviness to my heart. It makes me feel like we really are returning to a Cold War status globally but with a lot of new players with a lot more weight than before. I don't think I want to stick around to see the madness. I want to get to a winning side before much longer, and I don't see staying American as a way of doing that.
I agree with most of what you say here. My only addition is that it would be nice if Gates and others would address the contribution gap.
What I mean is, there are many millions of minds who never get the chance to contribute to technology due to circumstantial or financial realities. There is no telling how much progress we could be missing out on. I think that Open Source has been a decent if not stellar vehicle for addressing this, and I wish that Bill Gates would just take a few minutes to think about it from that perspective. I believe the last time he spoke about Open Source in an interview, he had the same childlike opinion he had in the 90s, despite Firefox, OpenOffice, et al.
I can't afford to buy the code of Rise of Nations or to buy any sort of licensing for so doing, but I can think of many ways the game could live on. For me, it was the only piece of Microsoftware I ever truly, truly enjoyed.
For awhile we had an Xbox, and then we sold it when we realized we were only using it for Netflix anymore. When he did his AMA, I asked him to open the code and received no response. Surely people were asking him more important questions, but still... It was actually why I made a reddit account, LOL.
But if you ask me, Steve Jobs was by far more evil than Bill has ever thought of being. That's only my opinion. Remember, as Jerry Garcia said, choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil.
Well, when I was 12 years old, I would have said fuck him, he can never make up for the all pain he's put the users of computers worldwide through. But now that I'm grown, I have to say, fuck him, could he please lend me $1M for my startup?
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Because we want students at public schools using free software and learning to hack it, and without a desktop takeover, that's not going to seem viable for anyone.
Thank you for this link.
I wish I had not commented solely so I could burn a mod point to put this back up to the 5 points it deserves.
In Australia that might be the ticket, but here in the US they'll just find a useful program to cut. Last I knew the CIA had a legally undisclosed budgetary dispense, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if NSA falls under the same category. If they don't find a useful program to cut, they'll force the companies to pay for it, who will pass the costs on to us or risk losing capital from shareholders.
When dealing with an enemy like a government, one cannot assume that its resources are necessarily limited within the scope of the conflict so long as one is within the jurisdiction of that government. And when dealing with any but a "rogue" state in 2014, one cannot assume that simply leaving a border will necessarily provide a buffer, as nice as that might be. I'm pretty sure Ed Snowden will eventually get sold for something more valuable to Putin than egg in Obama's face.
And it is no longer just the playground of conspiracy theorists and lunatic fringe anarchists like myself to be at odds with the government. Since they have decided to violate the very documents which they all swear to on more massive scales than any other hypocrite in the history of the continent, I believe that the government has made itself the enemy of the American people, who I would prefer to no longer associate myself with, but again, simply leaving America would not put me far enough away from her.
when a word *is* misspelled -- guess I got a little emotional there.
The Wall Street Journal says they caputure innocent users' data
You know, I'm sure the WSJ did not fucking say that, because for all the money they make they at least spend some of it on a decent spell-check or even, gasp, a human editor. I mean holy motherfuck. Here I am combing the streets, looking for work. You're making hundreds, maybe thousands. maybe even tens of thousands of dollars per hour from the traffic on this site. You can't even spell capture? I mean, in google-chrome-stable it shows me even in this box right here when a word supposedly mis-spelled, though often it's just saying that it's not a word in the dictionary, such as motherfuck. Motherfucker, though, that passes.
And don't bother blaming the submitter since this part came after his quotation section. You fucking douche bags. Get it together. I don't care about beta; it's your site. But as a thinking person I'm offended that your hacker mentality has not permeated over into the literate part of your fucking brain: never stop improving, motherfucker. I wouldn't be half as good at writing code now if it weren't for the self-criticism and absolute discipline that my early days as a fiction writer instilled in me.
You fucking turd, seriously. When do we get to start rating the actual posts? Or is this whole feedback thing just a marketing technique for you, totally out of tune with Rob Malda's vision?
I would assume it's a lot easier for the authorities to catch them when they distribute over a network, even Tor.
I don't disagree with you, I think it's totally unnecessary, and I think we should hold them accountable: that is, in accordance to how much child pornography in that jurisdiction an outside source believes is occurring, preferably a reputable outside source like one of the apprehended, the law enforcement must have a significant increase in CONVICTIONS (not busts, which are not necessarily based on facts or evidence).
I need one of these dogs to sniff my ram packages from eBay and let me know next time I get one that's going to fail within 6 months. Son of a bitch. You know I never suspected the ram, I thought it was the hard drives failing me.
I think the cops probably need to do more old-school investigating and undercover work. I think that we need the death penalty for child molesters and life imprisonment for anyone caught in possession of or distributing child pornography. I think it'd be great if there were any tool under the law besides the second amendment with which to handle the chimo problem, but that only allows us to kill them when they're actively raping or attempting to rape our kids.
Does prohibition work? No. Does this government regularly over-reach? Yes. Can we trust law enforcement at any level to protect our children from bad people? Unfortunately, my life says no. So what is to be done? Well, we as developers and hackers and such could do a lot more of our own vigilante work, but it goes fundamentally against our beliefs in privacy and such. But I mean... what do you do with these people? I know, here's a great idea. Let's just deport them to Europe, anywhere, where they can be "recuperated" or whatever it is called. But it's not a thing that happens, rehabilitation. You're talking about people between the ages of 25 and 85 who are guilty of these crimes. This says to me that some of them get away with it for 60 odd fucking years unscathed. I'm sure there are plenty of liberal and conservatives who believe there are more "real" problems for the govenrment to focus on, but honestly, for my tax buck, you can take away everything and just put in place a Child Molestation and Pornography Eradication Bureau and I'll be completely satisfied. Throw away the army, the whole welfare state, and every law you claim that protects me. I only want this one authority to exist and I only want it to exist because I can't see any other way to stop these bastards besides using the collective violence that is the state but using it more efficiently and more regularly.
WTF? Are you retarded or just plain stupid?
I mean all of this was said by an Anonymous Coward, so take it with a bag of dogecoins and relax.
WELL SAID.
And furthermore, strategy wise, it provides the opportunity for the manufacturer to actually find out what the product is worth. But I guess you're more likely to do that if you're not funded by Silicon Valley VCs.
I realize they have the right to stop selling anything to anyone at any time for any reason, but I'm struggling to figure out what their beef with this is. They should simple alter the dev kit product so that it is virtually impossible to not spot the difference between it and the actual product. This way the resellers will be prevented from claiming the device is the genuine article. Otherwise, what's the problem? Someone else making money off your product? Did Steve Jobs come out of the grave and buy this company? Am I being an asshole or is this just more anti-Chinese xenophobic garbage in the US media and amongst decision makers here? So what if I decide I want to do that, from Colorado? What are you going to do, sue me? I buy it, it's my property. It doesn't quite matter why I buy it, or for what purpose I buy it. Then I have the right to sell it. For whatever price I value it at that you are willing to pay. Is this not the way capitalism is supposed to work? I'm not going to pretend it does work, I'm just asking, did I get that part right?
Thanks!
Without reading further than the title, my answer is:
too fucking often to be forgiven. The interest rate when I was born was 18%. Enough said.
Hey man, at least you're not under the impression that any of this is more than the impulse of men with a bit less intellect than those reading this forum... I'm not operating under assumptions, no matter what you say. :P
Interested. Link?
When you look at it, my position makes the most sense out of what is being said around this issue. There is a minority (the cable providers) effecting decisoins for the majority (everyone else, from Google to Netflix). The majority should simply protest this and the government won't be left with a choice.
Yeah for real. I have Netflix and I use it now and then with netflix-desktop, which is pretty nice if you ask me, but all things being equal, you can always just install QtWeb, block everything, and hit up TPB on a daily basis. It's a waste of time trying to have morals in a situation where even when you pay what you're supposed a third party thinks it has the right to stop you.
Okay then, Google and the rest should be saying: we'll find a way to directly hook into the home as if this were the early days and we owned everything except the dirt we buried the cables in though sometimes we own that too. Silicon Valley needs to grow up and swing its weight. A tax protest from just a few major corporations would be costly, and if they encouraged their employees to join, the impact would be ten fold. It's time we got together and, as a people, told the government it is not taking another step without our damn permission.
I say more power to them, but it certainly brings a little heaviness to my heart. It makes me feel like we really are returning to a Cold War status globally but with a lot of new players with a lot more weight than before. I don't think I want to stick around to see the madness. I want to get to a winning side before much longer, and I don't see staying American as a way of doing that.
Thank you for this. I'd burn 2 mod points upping it if I could. HINT.
I agree with most of what you say here. My only addition is that it would be nice if Gates and others would address the contribution gap.
What I mean is, there are many millions of minds who never get the chance to contribute to technology due to circumstantial or financial realities. There is no telling how much progress we could be missing out on. I think that Open Source has been a decent if not stellar vehicle for addressing this, and I wish that Bill Gates would just take a few minutes to think about it from that perspective. I believe the last time he spoke about Open Source in an interview, he had the same childlike opinion he had in the 90s, despite Firefox, OpenOffice, et al.
I can't afford to buy the code of Rise of Nations or to buy any sort of licensing for so doing, but I can think of many ways the game could live on. For me, it was the only piece of Microsoftware I ever truly, truly enjoyed.
For awhile we had an Xbox, and then we sold it when we realized we were only using it for Netflix anymore. When he did his AMA, I asked him to open the code and received no response. Surely people were asking him more important questions, but still... It was actually why I made a reddit account, LOL.
But if you ask me, Steve Jobs was by far more evil than Bill has ever thought of being. That's only my opinion. Remember, as Jerry Garcia said, choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil.
Well, when I was 12 years old, I would have said fuck him, he can never make up for the all pain he's put the users of computers worldwide through. But now that I'm grown, I have to say, fuck him, could he please lend me $1M for my startup?