You were also able to choose, at that point, the GUI every time you logged in if you had multiple GUIs installed. Is that still the case on Fedora? If so, it's probably also possible on Ubuntu, I'll venture. I should probably comment less on Slashdot and spend more time researching such questions. Anyhow, I don't think I'm going to switch to an RH-based system, ever, because I really prefer the Debian packaging philosophy, but I think this is good info for the people who were wondering about hot-swapping GUIs.
Actually, I work in the automotive industry, and dabble in tech. I like getting my hands dirty. Now and then my craigslist ad gets a hit and I do a house-call, either teaching someone your age to use their computer or putting in some new ram or whatever, but the rate is never comparable to what I can make as automotive technician. My eyes are always peeled for a tech job which suits me, but very few would or could. I'm one of those guys who can be good at anything, sorry. So, truly, I have no legitimate way to justify buying newer stuff at the moment. I'm currently bidding on a much more powerful Lenovo machine which I could put a USB 3 card in and such, but the chances of getting it at my price are pretty slim, and I'm okay with that -- at present this is a weekend hobby.
Keep bitching at them, especially the Linux firms. Tell them to call me if they need a good salesman for that kind of thing.
Yeah, really, I think I'm okay with Gnome and KDE doing whatever they want, probably some good can come of it, so long as beloved XFCE remains Consistent.
Anyone remember Mandrake? I remember circa 8.1 being able to choose from just about any given GUI available in its day. Was I dreaming or wasn't that a thing?
That's a philosophy of poverty, the virtues of learning to make due. That's exactly what I'm talking about.
#first-world-problems
It is such a good thing because it makes modern innovations available to people in countries where $200 is more like some months' salary than it is like three days'. This, in turn, enables those people to potentially contribute in big ways, such as becoming software engineers and developing local solutions to local problems, and often contribute in small ways, such as bug reporting. Where the rubber meets the road is where the masses are able to get on board. If only 1 billion out of 7 billion people can afford technological innovations, then are we truly progressing as a species or are we doing something else? The effects of accessibility span beyond just ubiquity of operating systems (haven't I read that Linux is the most popular consumer operating system in many Asian countries?) and into the implementation of standards. If all you can afford is ancient hardware but your software is current, you are able to use a browser and software libraries which adhere to the most up to date standards, which makes the determination of their viability quite a bit easier. Your trickle down technology theory works about as well as the economics version of the same, you curmudgeon.
7 years is also less than the time between NT and 2000. So fucking what? Are you insinuating that I need to be using USB 3.0, Bluetooth, Blue-ray, etc? If my hardware will handle the latest software and if it achieves all of my goals on a daily basis, what obligation do I have to hardware manufacturers to upgrade or buy something more expensive? If you're going to bitch about someone not upgrading their systems, bitch about the thousands of companies who have hundreds of computers running insecure versions of Windows XP and who, no matter who comes along to offer them a cost-effective solution, refuse to do anything about it. And also bitch at the Linux firms not capitalizing on these opportunities. But don't bitch at me, a guy trying to raise his family and long-past-overdue grown out of the need to keep up with technology purely for the sake of it. Between November 2012 and September 2013, the only computing I did was on a $100 Android cell phone. Because I was mostly homeless. Mostly on the streets of San Francisco, of all places.
And the ThinkCentre is a workstation, know-it-all, not a desktop. One of the things the young kids did was develop a thing called Google. You should check it out sometime. This particular ThinkCentre (which was manufactured by a Chinese company called Lenovo, not the company I'm sure you so dearly loved, called IBM) was purchased from a Blockbuster which was going out of business for $30. The Windows XP that was on the HDD was completely inaccessible, even using the USBLinux hack tools out there. The BIOS is still actually locked, though I know how to fix it, I'm just okay with how it works for the moment. So it's more than fair to say I am grateful that Linux is available, that it is well developed, and that so many people poured so many hours into it so I could have an enjoyable experience. In another world, one more like what you would like to see, I would be forced to break the law in order to use this computer.
I really didn't expect such a disdainful and punitive response. My guess is that at heart you take the Richard Stallman approach to software, wherein we're all supposed to bow down and kiss your feet before we do anything new, daring, or worth trying in our eyes, taking risks of our own money, time, and energy, because, well, since we don't want to think about it too much... you said so.
When I was using Mac a few years back (when I was a little richer than I am now), I had to pay for the best software solution I'll say 8 out of 10 times. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that no part of the Mac ethos is true to the ideals of the people who developed BSD.
But regardless of what happens the work on Gnome advances the ecosystem.
I'll take this as the gem of your comment. I would say that my generation has had a significant number of innovations in the web sector and that your generation can't truly even fathom what we collectively envision for the future. Some of the younger kids have never lived in a world without readily accessible internet, you should realize, and this is more an advantage from a development standpoint than it is a liability. I would say the future is very bright. I would say the open source community is capable of maximizing productivity and innovation while minimizing the need for ever-more-expensive-and-powerful hardware. The most up-to-date stable version of Ubuntu runs fine on my 8-year-old Lenovo ThinkCentre, with no lag and no loss. If I felt like putting in a better graphics card, it would work even better. So I wouldn't say you're being fair to the developers of today. I think they're, in general, doing fantastic work across the board. I think there is more cause for hope than dismay.
Um, this is the link to my potential upgrade, in case someone wants to outbid me. I was doing that on my new tablet, which I don't, you might have guessed, have a bluetooth keyboard for... why does Slashdot mobile not have preview, or does it?
Ubuntu is "extremely" buggy, is it? Could you please expand on this? I'm legitimately interested because I'm getting into coding and I would love to help out with these bugs you speak of, it'd give me a direction to learn in.
I use xfce for two reasons. I read that Linus himself recommended it and Unity is slow as fuck on my 2gb of ram. I'm hoping to upgrade my system soon, though.
I use Linux because it is fun and secure. I would say I prefer a âoeclassicâ desktop but I don't see that really as a valid explanation. The latest OSX retains features of the original MacOS but I wouldn't say that the explosion of Mac users gives a damn about that. Part of their migration is disposable income, part of it is fashion, and part is ease of use (for a considerable financial cost). Windows users, I've heard, are alienated by Windows 8 -- largely because of the interface. A good Linux AdWords campaign would take advantage of frustrated Windows 8 user searches, IMO.
Personally I just don't believe in spending a lot on technology in a country of so much excess. My smart phone, tablet, and computer together cost me about the same as the Chromebook I bought my wife for Christmas. Chrome doesn't charge to updates, Android doesn't, and neither does Linux. I use them all for this and other reasons.
But I still don't think the UI is the main attraction with Linux. I think the main attraction is the lack of obligation -- you stop liking it, you can stop using it and there is no wasted financial investment. Not to mention that you can have fun educating yourself and getting it back to where you like it again.
Or they are raised to believe that these are the only possible institutions, the only way to run things, and do not sufficiently question reality as adults to have a higher, more intricate understanding of their surroundings.
In the army it is considered sexual assault if the other party is intoxicated, no matter the circumstance. That's what our EO training taught us anyway.
But if are not a statist but you understand the monumental task of fully dismantling a government of the Fed's size, you make compromises. You pay your taxes, you do what you have to do in order to survive. This doesn't mean you actually believe this is the best way to run a society, you simply accept that it is the prevailing way. crimethinc.com has a lot more on this than I personally do.
Listen, liberal: why wouldn't I give them the information willingly if I thought they would use it to sue my credit card company and potentially get me out of whatever debt I have with them? Why couldn't they approach me honestly? Perhaps the approach would be like: if you give us this information, there is a chance your life will improve, so you should comply; if you don't, we won't worry about your account, because clearly you're okay with your situation. Why wouldn't that work for you? Because you know what's best for me. I see. Well, sorry, but fuck you liberal. I take the libertarian view of the Constitution. You'll be an apologist until these draconian measures we've seen implemented in the last 20 years actually show up on your streets, like they did for Bostonians last spring.
How about a source on this. I'm suspicious but intrigued. I can see the Republicans building a whole new pro-privacy bandwagon, but I also don't see how this is a constitutional approach to the problem you've outlined.
Your financial records can only be sealed from these assholes if you have more money than they do, I guess, like the Federal Reserve's debts are sealed even from Congress, did you know that? It is suspected by many that they owe undisclosed amounts to places like Iran, Syria, and so forth.
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You were also able to choose, at that point, the GUI every time you logged in if you had multiple GUIs installed. Is that still the case on Fedora? If so, it's probably also possible on Ubuntu, I'll venture. I should probably comment less on Slashdot and spend more time researching such questions. Anyhow, I don't think I'm going to switch to an RH-based system, ever, because I really prefer the Debian packaging philosophy, but I think this is good info for the people who were wondering about hot-swapping GUIs.
I noticed that too! :) It was an impetus to start actively using Google+.
Actually, I work in the automotive industry, and dabble in tech. I like getting my hands dirty. Now and then my craigslist ad gets a hit and I do a house-call, either teaching someone your age to use their computer or putting in some new ram or whatever, but the rate is never comparable to what I can make as automotive technician. My eyes are always peeled for a tech job which suits me, but very few would or could. I'm one of those guys who can be good at anything, sorry. So, truly, I have no legitimate way to justify buying newer stuff at the moment. I'm currently bidding on a much more powerful Lenovo machine which I could put a USB 3 card in and such, but the chances of getting it at my price are pretty slim, and I'm okay with that -- at present this is a weekend hobby.
Keep bitching at them, especially the Linux firms. Tell them to call me if they need a good salesman for that kind of thing.
Sorry I got a bit ticked. I do that sometimes.
ChromeOS.
Yeah, really, I think I'm okay with Gnome and KDE doing whatever they want, probably some good can come of it, so long as beloved XFCE remains Consistent.
You're a troll of the most idiotic kind. 13.1 is no different than saying 13.10. It would be different if he'd said 13.01.
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Bingo. Mod up please!
Anyone remember Mandrake? I remember circa 8.1 being able to choose from just about any given GUI available in its day. Was I dreaming or wasn't that a thing?
That's what I was going to say! :)
#first-world-problems
It is such a good thing because it makes modern innovations available to people in countries where $200 is more like some months' salary than it is like three days'. This, in turn, enables those people to potentially contribute in big ways, such as becoming software engineers and developing local solutions to local problems, and often contribute in small ways, such as bug reporting. Where the rubber meets the road is where the masses are able to get on board. If only 1 billion out of 7 billion people can afford technological innovations, then are we truly progressing as a species or are we doing something else? The effects of accessibility span beyond just ubiquity of operating systems (haven't I read that Linux is the most popular consumer operating system in many Asian countries?) and into the implementation of standards. If all you can afford is ancient hardware but your software is current, you are able to use a browser and software libraries which adhere to the most up to date standards, which makes the determination of their viability quite a bit easier. Your trickle down technology theory works about as well as the economics version of the same, you curmudgeon.
7 years is also less than the time between NT and 2000. So fucking what? Are you insinuating that I need to be using USB 3.0, Bluetooth, Blue-ray, etc? If my hardware will handle the latest software and if it achieves all of my goals on a daily basis, what obligation do I have to hardware manufacturers to upgrade or buy something more expensive? If you're going to bitch about someone not upgrading their systems, bitch about the thousands of companies who have hundreds of computers running insecure versions of Windows XP and who, no matter who comes along to offer them a cost-effective solution, refuse to do anything about it. And also bitch at the Linux firms not capitalizing on these opportunities. But don't bitch at me, a guy trying to raise his family and long-past-overdue grown out of the need to keep up with technology purely for the sake of it. Between November 2012 and September 2013, the only computing I did was on a $100 Android cell phone. Because I was mostly homeless. Mostly on the streets of San Francisco, of all places.
And the ThinkCentre is a workstation, know-it-all, not a desktop. One of the things the young kids did was develop a thing called Google. You should check it out sometime. This particular ThinkCentre (which was manufactured by a Chinese company called Lenovo, not the company I'm sure you so dearly loved, called IBM) was purchased from a Blockbuster which was going out of business for $30. The Windows XP that was on the HDD was completely inaccessible, even using the USBLinux hack tools out there. The BIOS is still actually locked, though I know how to fix it, I'm just okay with how it works for the moment. So it's more than fair to say I am grateful that Linux is available, that it is well developed, and that so many people poured so many hours into it so I could have an enjoyable experience. In another world, one more like what you would like to see, I would be forced to break the law in order to use this computer.
I really didn't expect such a disdainful and punitive response. My guess is that at heart you take the Richard Stallman approach to software, wherein we're all supposed to bow down and kiss your feet before we do anything new, daring, or worth trying in our eyes, taking risks of our own money, time, and energy, because, well, since we don't want to think about it too much... you said so.
When I was using Mac a few years back (when I was a little richer than I am now), I had to pay for the best software solution I'll say 8 out of 10 times. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that no part of the Mac ethos is true to the ideals of the people who developed BSD.
I'll take this as the gem of your comment. I would say that my generation has had a significant number of innovations in the web sector and that your generation can't truly even fathom what we collectively envision for the future. Some of the younger kids have never lived in a world without readily accessible internet, you should realize, and this is more an advantage from a development standpoint than it is a liability. I would say the future is very bright. I would say the open source community is capable of maximizing productivity and innovation while minimizing the need for ever-more-expensive-and-powerful hardware. The most up-to-date stable version of Ubuntu runs fine on my 8-year-old Lenovo ThinkCentre, with no lag and no loss. If I felt like putting in a better graphics card, it would work even better. So I wouldn't say you're being fair to the developers of today. I think they're, in general, doing fantastic work across the board. I think there is more cause for hope than dismay.
Just my respectful two cents.
Um, this is the link to my potential upgrade, in case someone wants to outbid me. I was doing that on my new tablet, which I don't, you might have guessed, have a bluetooth keyboard for... why does Slashdot mobile not have preview, or does it?
Linus is currently using Gnome 3 again.
Ubuntu is "extremely" buggy, is it? Could you please expand on this? I'm legitimately interested because I'm getting into coding and I would love to help out with these bugs you speak of, it'd give me a direction to learn in.
I use xfce for two reasons. I read that Linus himself recommended it and Unity is slow as fuck on my 2gb of ram. I'm hoping to upgrade my system soon, though.
I use Linux because it is fun and secure. I would say I prefer a âoeclassicâ desktop but I don't see that really as a valid explanation. The latest OSX retains features of the original MacOS but I wouldn't say that the explosion of Mac users gives a damn about that. Part of their migration is disposable income, part of it is fashion, and part is ease of use (for a considerable financial cost). Windows users, I've heard, are alienated by Windows 8 -- largely because of the interface. A good Linux AdWords campaign would take advantage of frustrated Windows 8 user searches, IMO.
Personally I just don't believe in spending a lot on technology in a country of so much excess. My smart phone, tablet, and computer together cost me about the same as the Chromebook I bought my wife for Christmas. Chrome doesn't charge to updates, Android doesn't, and neither does Linux. I use them all for this and other reasons.
But I still don't think the UI is the main attraction with Linux. I think the main attraction is the lack of obligation -- you stop liking it, you can stop using it and there is no wasted financial investment. Not to mention that you can have fun educating yourself and getting it back to where you like it again.
Or they are raised to believe that these are the only possible institutions, the only way to run things, and do not sufficiently question reality as adults to have a higher, more intricate understanding of their surroundings.
You should get a book on spelling and grammar next time you go to one of these libraries you speak about.
In the army it is considered sexual assault if the other party is intoxicated, no matter the circumstance. That's what our EO training taught us anyway.
You're retarded. It's obviously a man eg Jason Edward. And federal workers don't have the same NLRB rights as civilian workers. STFU bro.
But if are not a statist but you understand the monumental task of fully dismantling a government of the Fed's size, you make compromises. You pay your taxes, you do what you have to do in order to survive. This doesn't mean you actually believe this is the best way to run a society, you simply accept that it is the prevailing way. crimethinc.com has a lot more on this than I personally do.
Listen, liberal: why wouldn't I give them the information willingly if I thought they would use it to sue my credit card company and potentially get me out of whatever debt I have with them? Why couldn't they approach me honestly? Perhaps the approach would be like: if you give us this information, there is a chance your life will improve, so you should comply; if you don't, we won't worry about your account, because clearly you're okay with your situation. Why wouldn't that work for you? Because you know what's best for me. I see. Well, sorry, but fuck you liberal. I take the libertarian view of the Constitution. You'll be an apologist until these draconian measures we've seen implemented in the last 20 years actually show up on your streets, like they did for Bostonians last spring.
How about a source on this. I'm suspicious but intrigued. I can see the Republicans building a whole new pro-privacy bandwagon, but I also don't see how this is a constitutional approach to the problem you've outlined.
Your financial records can only be sealed from these assholes if you have more money than they do, I guess, like the Federal Reserve's debts are sealed even from Congress, did you know that? It is suspected by many that they owe undisclosed amounts to places like Iran, Syria, and so forth.