For a server / gateway / router, I'd agree. FreeBSD is really good. I have my home gateway / router setup as a FreeBSD system. I think configuring it is actually easier than Linux configuring. Almost everything is done in the/etc/rc.conf file on FreeBSD, except my firewall script.
I use NetBSD on my laptop though cause it has better hardware support than FreeBSD for some reason? FreeBSD used to hang on my laptop nic and sound didn't work, so I use NetBSD there.
However for applications / my desktop I prefer Linux. Yes I know BSD's have LInux emulation and I have tried it and it works okay, but why emulate when you can just as easily run the real thing?
I have tried jEdit on win2k and it crashes. Works just fine on my Linux box. I tried the bean developer kit and it works fine on my Linux box, but hangs my windows box. I got apache / tomcat / ssl all working on my linux box, jut fine, but my win2k box occasionally has apache crash.
When it comes to java I would have liked Windows to implement a standard JDK / JRE and play nice with none MS products. Instead it does not. I'm not sure if it is because MS does its best to make sure that its stuff works, or that noone else can program for that platform but them or what the problem is. I'd like to be able to program cross platform and Windows doesn't let me do that easily.
If you look at this data over a period of time, like a year, you start to see a trend. I'm not sure what that trend would be, but, when you start to think about whose running what, (yahoo = FreeBSD) and then you add in cost (FreeBSD = free), you can then conclude that FreeBSD is just as good as Win2k. Thus if you wanted to cut costs in your company, using FreeBSD would be a good way to do so. Solaris and Linux also do pretty well. Using Solaris "could" be a more expensive solution than Windows if you buy a bog Sun box (yes I realize you can run Solaris on intel and get a small server for $2000).
The second issue that comes into play is what are they running on those OS'es? IIS on Win2k or Apache? Probably Apache on most UNIXish OS'es.
Then next it also must be determined things like what programming languages are they using php, jsp, asp.net, cgi, mod_perl, what? This also affects performance, as some languages are more effecient in the long run.
Lastly the number of servers installed and size. 1 or 500 will affect response time?
Yes I agree, this does not supply enough information, but it does seem to indicate more that ANY OS will do the job. The decision should be what language do you want to program in and what hardware do you want to use.
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I thought the USL case was sealed, but this seems to look like it was not.
Also in your case what was the product? In this case the product is a UNIX like system or UNIX. Linux is a UNIX like system. So is BSD. So does this mean that BSD and Linux would have never existed without the existance of UNIX? Possibly. However UNIX is based on some open standards, POSIX is one. So if someone creates and OS that use / and compiles with POSIX standards and has a C compiler is it UNIX?
Basically what this boils down to is what is UNIX? Is reverse enginerring a product a dervived work of that product?
Linux is a UNIX Like OS that complies with many standards that make up UNIX. The issue with Linux is which way did the copying occur? Linux -> SCO or SCO -> Linux or BOTH.
I think that while SCO was Caldera the copying went BOTH ways. So what Linux needs to do is find the code that Caldera contributed to Linux and start there to see if that could be the possible area of contention.
Also something to note, is that in the BSD case the header files and interfaces seemed to be okay that they were the same. Could this be the case in Linux?
on your business.. Do you have clients that may send you attachements in the email? If so then if they zip them and you block them your screwed!
I don't normally get attachements as zip's but I have had to once or twice. If our company blocked zip files I would have never been able to debug the zipped core file one of our clients sent to me.
I think the real solution is maybe to use a 'quarantine' system. Where attachements can be held instead of blocked. Also make sure that you have a virsu scanner on EVERY PC on your network. The virus scanner we use does auto update, I think it is Macafe(sp) and it can be administered remotely and update everyones machine and schedule scans on their machines as well. It works pretty well.
I tried going to the webserver, it started to load then did something else, then each time I refreshed I got a different page. I'm not sure about others, but I wouldn't want my website to show different pages on a refresh.
Oh and the vnc java thing just kinda hung. ANyone know which version of Java does it use?
"That still really makes me laugh, because the point is that "the full power" of a web browser is very basic, and it's there in every web browser, and it has nothing to do with CSS/DHTML or any flashy shit. This is WHY web apps don't use that flashy shit, because they don't need to, they can harness the "full power" very simply. You can't see that? sorry."
Actually they don't use it cause it people still use IE 4 and NS 4 and lynx which don't all support the fancy stuff. However if one wanted to provide a full text editor online that allowed more features in the html textarea and the only time the user had to click submit was to save it would be a 'use of more power'. I'm talking more client side browser usage, which people still don't get. I'm talking about syntax highlightening in the textarea, etc. If you think that this is it, and that the web is all just 'newpaper turned web' then you don't get web apps. Also why should web apps be SO much 'server side', they shouldn't they should be more client side. Putting all this on the server requires more powerful servers, all the time. I'm talking making the web browser more than just a 'thin client' and making it an actual usable client.
That is part of the problem. Many people think, http is fine the way it is, so it wont go any further than it is. How could it improve? Maybe a standard compression, rather than the brower having to send 'yes I accept gz format' http 1.2 could say that the browser MUST support it. Thus a request becomes GET HTTP/1.2 index.gz not index.html and it it decompressed on the browser and the server ALREADY has it compressed, rahter than haveing to compress on the fly.
Who knows what improvements could be made. Problem is with your thinking we will never find out.
Yes slashdot is a web app. A very basic web app. With click -> load -> submit. Hmm hasn't changed. Its all server side though. Why not a 'preview button', that was on the client side so that it was less of a hit on the server? Or an option to use more JS on the client side? I'm sure there is room for some improvements somewhere!
We still use the same combustion engine. Sure now it has a computer in it and there have been some small improvements. But do we get significantly better gas milage, now then we did in the 1970's? Not really, my 1973 VW but used to get about 20 mpg, my 1994 ford ranger got about 19mpg, and my current toyota gets about 25-29mpg (actually calcualted values, not sticker values).
So yes cars have not improved either. 30 years, and we have more gadgets in the cars, but that is about it. It would be nice to have seen a standard of oh maybe 30 to 40 mpg by now. The only thing that has changed is that cars (NOT SUV) are required to have better emission standards in most states.
The point is that http has not improved since 1995. HTML has not really changed that much either since Netscape 4.5.
Yes we have web applications, but these applications are built on technoligies that were around for over 5 years and have not changed.
How many web applications have you come across that use the full power of dthml? Only a few. More likly the use of JavaScript and HTML popup windows are used.
Just look at slashdot. It is html with tables. Not very compilcated. When you look at the power of HTML 4, where you could actually have multiple windows in the browser using div's, and rarely do you see this in place of frames, its kinda of a shame. Truth is that OS development is fairly stagnant for the past 10 years. What really has changed in windows / mac / Linux that makes them that much different than they were 10 years ago. Better hardware support doesn't count, nor does faster computers. Linux has more apps now than it did then, and X is slightly improved, but web sites are still the same to end users and desktops are still the same as they were. Yes there have been small changes in the backgoudn, but the presentation of win 3.1 to win xp (and early mac to now) is still the same. use mouse, click, point,type. The Palm OS has been probably the most inovative thing in the past 10 years.
Show me a web application that takes the full power of a web browser (NS 6.1+ IE 5+) and uses it. Oh and I am working on some sweet things on my web site, but I'm not taking a/. hit on it.
the closed source crap that I work on I can see how that would be.
In open source version 1.0 is usually the 'discovery period'. How do I get it done. In versino 2.0 it is usually the 'cleanup period and feature enhancement'. How do I make it easier to maintain and debug and add to. In 3.0 it is usually sweet! Look at kde 3.x, pretty sweet stuff there as is gtk, and GNOME.
In closed source it is always about how do I make money off this. There is often no 'rewrite of a large software product', just partial rewrite. Do you think MS rewote NT4 for 2k or XP? Nope. To costly to rewrite that much code. I'm sure parts were rewritten, like the Linux kernel does. But in open source there is more of a change that someone will just rewrite a program and go from there than there is in closed source. In my opinion this is all because of money.
In any case yes Linux = kernel, GNU is all the rest.
SCO is trying to taint the whole GNU movement. I do have to wonder what the FSF's status is on how the HURD is coming along. I have been to the site and saw some info on downloading the GNU/hurd, but was not sure what to install or how. Their docs seemed lacking.
I am getting tired of SCO and all their FUD spreadding and the complete lack of willingness to show what code is really tainted. It would make more sense to show everyone the code and the proof of who put it in there. Then they would have credibility. At this point any credibility is shot. It also does not help that they were (a) selling Linux that was 'tainted', and (b) once knows as Caldera (after the purchase), and lastly (c) they added "Linux Kernel Personality" into SCO's code, which is ON their web site.
My feeling is that after Caldera bought SCO, the code went both ways. SCO Linux. Also at this point IBM was NO longer obligated to SCO as they were now Caldera and their contracts were with SCO not Caldera. Yes contracts can be transferred, but IBM was not required to do business with Caldera. They did anyway.
I think in the end SCO will be as far with the UNIX code as ATT/Novell got, if they are lucky.
it is possible that a spammer is sending spam with @yourdomain.ext and some phony name. I'm not sure this is dns hijacking, but it is in a sense identity theft. At this stage of the game, your email address is slowly becoming your 'second phone number'. With the current push to make phone numbers transferrable between cell phone companies, how long will it be before people want to move between states and have the same thing or email addresses.
1) PArents OR teacher should supervise students using school or home computers. Software does not do this job, opensource or closed it is still the same.
2) Public libraries MUST now install this software and there is no provision for adult or childern computers, just 'computers'. I should be able to go to a library and see unsensored text on the web.
3) Valid web sites get blocked, based on keywords in the page. Someone who goes to a public library and is over 21, maybe a teacher who searches for 'sex education', may have all the results blocked cause the site may mention c*** or v***** or p****.
4) p0nr will probably still get through the blocker, cause p0nr sites will change the spelling of words for JUST that purpose.
You want to proteck what your child has access to??? Do you really want to do that? Then police after your own child and watch what they have access to.
Re:Question for /. Lawyer Lurkers
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I wouldn't buy a Linux distro from Oracle either, but since they are advertising 'make Linux unbreakable' they would have a vestered interest. Also if they did that they could open UNIX source code once and for all, which is what I thought caldera would have done. Why is this 30 year license / code crap coming back to haunt us all the time. If they had just BSD'd or GPL'd the code in the 70's UNIX would probably be the dominant player now.
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Yea, I know Linux is 'not' UNIX. But the fact is that linux is 'UNIX' compatible in many ways. I can and do compile my companies source code on Sun, Linux and HP. Both SUN and HP are UNIX and the code base, is identical. The only ifdefs are in the auth module which has to deal with the/etc/passwd file and passwords. This is cause each platform is slightly different in that respect. Sun and Linux are actually extremely close and the Sun and Linux differences have been really small.
So having said that, it makes Linux a 'drop in' Unix replacement, almost. From OUR point of view.
So is Linux UNIX? No more than wine is windows, IMHO.
What is derived? Well that is the whole point of my post. Most people think of derived as take A and come up with B from A. The thing is that you need A to derive B. For the actual definition see http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=derived
In #5 it is used to produce or obtain from another substance. In this case it could be argued (weakly mind you) that Linux was derived from UNIX, even if Linux does not use UNIX code, if UNIX did not exists Linux would have not existed. Weak argument!
As far as the UNIX source code that they 'own'. In ATT vs BSD there were 3 BSD files that had to be rewritten.
Personally I think that SCO is looking to settle, and is loking for money and money only. In one of the articles that I read lately was that the people who are suing in SCO are not new to law suits. They have used these weak tactics to take advantage of the legal system to get money. That is it. I don't think they care about Linux or AIX, I think that this is just a ploy to use the legal system to try and extort money from IBM, and the Linux / UNIX community.
Personally I think Oracle should prove their interest in Linux and buy SCO instead of wasting their time trying to buy Peoplesoft.
Re:Question for /. Lawyer Lurkers
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Oh I forgot to add, someone should contact Redhat and the other Linunx vendors to file a friend of the court brief at some point.
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If you read his story, then you probably saw the part where he mentioned that SCO was going for a BROAD defination of derived. Accorind to SCO's defininition, DOS is derived from UNIX so it must be theirs too.
I think what this will boil down to is two things. 1) the definition of derived work. What is actually derived and what is add to or is extending something deriving from it? Also that derived work is more restrictive than patents. In a patent if I improve your patent I can file a patent on it and get it and I think owe you nothing if it was your thing I improved on. This is the case with all the various mice that are out there, displays, tv, etc. And 2) what is the actual UNIX source code and what does SCO actualy own the rights to.
If SCO wins, then they could basically OWN UNIX, Linux and possibly BSD, DEPENDING ON THE definintiion of derived. If SCO looses UNIX could become open and free. Of course there is room for somewhere in the middle to happen, and that SCO could get bought by some company like HP/Compaq, who decides to just get ride of UNIX.
Personally I think that their actual case is week, but what they are gambling on is either a settlement, or a lame judge, who defines 'derived' as vaguely as they do. It's time to look up stuff on the Honorable Judge Dale A. Kimball, who has been assigned the case.....
Its a well known fact that Caldera added the 'Linux Kernel Personality' in SCO code. To do so, as quickly as they did, I'd imagine would have required direct access to the Linux code. Oh they had that. It was then owned by Caldera and it was implemented, so that SCO could run Linux binaries AS fast as they ran on Linux. To me this would indicate that they had to use Linux code to do this. (http://www.caldera.com/products/openunix/lkp/)
Also the SCO / IBM project was made before SCO was bought by Caldera. IBM was under NO commitment to Caldera after the purchase, so it was thier right to cancel and move to Linux. WHY NOT? The UNIX company they were 'partnered' with was now a Linux company that was proclaiming that UNIX was dead. (http://www.interex.org/hpworldnews/hpw010/02nt.ht ml)
I don't doubt that at this point the code bases have been mixed. I also think SCO, when it was under Caldera did the mixing. The real question is what to do now?
I propose a class action lawsuit against SCO by EVERY Linux user, vendor, and programmer, suing SCO for violation of the GPL. There IS Linux code in SCO. I'm sure of that!
.. to spend their money.. last I heard they had 40billion that they need to spend.. I guess stopping spammers is a good way to spend it..
Also this is a good thing for their ISP / msn department, as it will help them be able to say that the 'butterfly' does help stop spam, by stopping it at its source.
I'm a UNIX user and I am really glad that MS is doing something that is good for ALL for a change. I just hope they don't try to make an agreement like, you can spam everyone else, BUT msn.
yeah and SMP was in 2.0, if not earlier. I remember cause I had a 2.0 SMP linux box. Support was medocre until 2.2 though.
I think SCO is fishing at this point. I think that they are going to find out that they are going to have to open up the sealed case of ATT/Novell vs BSD and find out that SCO doesnt really own 'derived' works. That would be like me inventing a a lightbulb and claiming rights to all lightbulbs derived from my lightbulb, including florescent adn halogen and LED's. It doesn't work that way.
Hmm I guess I wonder why noone has complained about Macfromedia and its flash 6.0, that allows sites to store info on YOUR machine, access your video camera or microphone. It was mentioned on/. once and if you know what you are doing or are inquisitive enough you can shut it off, but to 'set preference' you have to go to macromedias site.
I do wonder how much info IE stores, but since I hardly ever use it I could really care less. I do think that since about 90% of the planet uses IE / Windows, it should be of a concern to someone.
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Seems to me your just working with idiots. I'm 35ish, and I already knew all that.
Age and coding have nothing to do with each other. I have meet some pretty dumb young (and old) coders as well as some pretty smart ones. Age has never had anything to do with it.
The real problem is that the older people get the more resistant they are to learning new things. (Not all, the good coders NEVER stop learning.)
The problem I have seen with younger coders is that they think they know all the answers, but usually don't. NOONE KNOWS ALL THE ANSWERS.
Most young coders don't think about user interaction with programs. This is evident by the number of college students that create open source or shareware or freeware programs, while they use wonderfully new technology, and do some pretty amazing things, are completely user unfriendly. When I was working at my last company all the coders were younger than me. I told them that there was a bug, that needed to be fixed. They said (and I quote), "We know about this. It is not a bug, it is a setup issue. Noone will ever do that!"
GUESS WHAT? This was a new feature in the existing software. Our second biggest client was testing this and their system crashed. The feature was in a workflow rules setup. The client setup rules that ended up looping. Each iteration through the loop created a record in a table. The table filled and the system crashed. I then said, "I told you so!"
Yes they were annoyed, cause the 'old guy' was right. Somethings in coding are learned by experience. Someone who is 21 probably does not have the experience of someone who is 31. This is not to say that young people can't be good coders, but it also does not mean that because someone is in their 30's its time to retire them as a coder.
I'd have to agree. I also think that while SCO was under Caldera and the former owner / pres, the code from Linux made its way into SCO. IBM probably knows this and it is figuring out the best way to tell SCO to f*** off and die. In legal terms I think it would, "Make like a dot-com and bust, SCO!"
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I use NetBSD on my laptop though cause it has better hardware support than FreeBSD for some reason? FreeBSD used to hang on my laptop nic and sound didn't work, so I use NetBSD there.
However for applications / my desktop I prefer Linux. Yes I know BSD's have LInux emulation and I have tried it and it works okay, but why emulate when you can just as easily run the real thing?
They are all good, each in their own way!
When it comes to java I would have liked Windows to implement a standard JDK / JRE and play nice with none MS products. Instead it does not. I'm not sure if it is because MS does its best to make sure that its stuff works, or that noone else can program for that platform but them or what the problem is. I'd like to be able to program cross platform and Windows doesn't let me do that easily.
The second issue that comes into play is what are they running on those OS'es? IIS on Win2k or Apache? Probably Apache on most UNIXish OS'es.
Then next it also must be determined things like what programming languages are they using php, jsp, asp.net, cgi, mod_perl, what? This also affects performance, as some languages are more effecient in the long run.
Lastly the number of servers installed and size. 1 or 500 will affect response time?
Yes I agree, this does not supply enough information, but it does seem to indicate more that ANY OS will do the job. The decision should be what language do you want to program in and what hardware do you want to use.
Also in your case what was the product? In this case the product is a UNIX like system or UNIX. Linux is a UNIX like system. So is BSD. So does this mean that BSD and Linux would have never existed without the existance of UNIX? Possibly. However UNIX is based on some open standards, POSIX is one. So if someone creates and OS that use / and compiles with POSIX standards and has a C compiler is it UNIX?
Basically what this boils down to is what is UNIX? Is reverse enginerring a product a dervived work of that product?
Linux is a UNIX Like OS that complies with many standards that make up UNIX. The issue with Linux is which way did the copying occur? Linux -> SCO or SCO -> Linux or BOTH.
I think that while SCO was Caldera the copying went BOTH ways. So what Linux needs to do is find the code that Caldera contributed to Linux and start there to see if that could be the possible area of contention.
Also something to note, is that in the BSD case the header files and interfaces seemed to be okay that they were the same. Could this be the case in Linux?
I don't normally get attachements as zip's but I have had to once or twice. If our company blocked zip files I would have never been able to debug the zipped core file one of our clients sent to me.
I think the real solution is maybe to use a 'quarantine' system. Where attachements can be held instead of blocked. Also make sure that you have a virsu scanner on EVERY PC on your network. The virus scanner we use does auto update, I think it is Macafe(sp) and it can be administered remotely and update everyones machine and schedule scans on their machines as well. It works pretty well.
I tried going to the webserver, it started to load then did something else, then each time I refreshed I got a different page. I'm not sure about others, but I wouldn't want my website to show different pages on a refresh.
Oh and the vnc java thing just kinda hung. ANyone know which version of Java does it use?
Actually they don't use it cause it people still use IE 4 and NS 4 and lynx which don't all support the fancy stuff. However if one wanted to provide a full text editor online that allowed more features in the html textarea and the only time the user had to click submit was to save it would be a 'use of more power'. I'm talking more client side browser usage, which people still don't get. I'm talking about syntax highlightening in the textarea, etc. If you think that this is it, and that the web is all just 'newpaper turned web' then you don't get web apps. Also why should web apps be SO much 'server side', they shouldn't they should be more client side. Putting all this on the server requires more powerful servers, all the time. I'm talking making the web browser more than just a 'thin client' and making it an actual usable client.
This is not inovation on the web, just usage. When I am done my project, maybe I'll show you what I mean by inovative.
And yes, maybe I will get http1.2 started, who knows.
That is part of the problem. Many people think, http is fine the way it is, so it wont go any further than it is. How could it improve? Maybe a standard compression, rather than the brower having to send 'yes I accept gz format' http 1.2 could say that the browser MUST support it. Thus a request becomes GET HTTP/1.2 index.gz not index.html and it it decompressed on the browser and the server ALREADY has it compressed, rahter than haveing to compress on the fly.
Who knows what improvements could be made. Problem is with your thinking we will never find out.
Yes slashdot is a web app. A very basic web app. With click -> load -> submit. Hmm hasn't changed. Its all server side though. Why not a 'preview button', that was on the client side so that it was less of a hit on the server? Or an option to use more JS on the client side? I'm sure there is room for some improvements somewhere!
We still use the same combustion engine. Sure now it has a computer in it and there have been some small improvements. But do we get significantly better gas milage, now then we did in the 1970's? Not really, my 1973 VW but used to get about 20 mpg, my 1994 ford ranger got about 19mpg, and my current toyota gets about 25-29mpg (actually calcualted values, not sticker values).
So yes cars have not improved either. 30 years, and we have more gadgets in the cars, but that is about it. It would be nice to have seen a standard of oh maybe 30 to 40 mpg by now. The only thing that has changed is that cars (NOT SUV) are required to have better emission standards in most states.
The point is that http has not improved since 1995. HTML has not really changed that much either since Netscape 4.5.
Yes we have web applications, but these applications are built on technoligies that were around for over 5 years and have not changed.
How many web applications have you come across that use the full power of dthml? Only a few. More likly the use of JavaScript and HTML popup windows are used.
Just look at slashdot. It is html with tables. Not very compilcated. When you look at the power of HTML 4, where you could actually have multiple windows in the browser using div's, and rarely do you see this in place of frames, its kinda of a shame. Truth is that OS development is fairly stagnant for the past 10 years. What really has changed in windows / mac / Linux that makes them that much different than they were 10 years ago. Better hardware support doesn't count, nor does faster computers. Linux has more apps now than it did then, and X is slightly improved, but web sites are still the same to end users and desktops are still the same as they were. Yes there have been small changes in the backgoudn, but the presentation of win 3.1 to win xp (and early mac to now) is still the same. use mouse, click, point,type. The Palm OS has been probably the most inovative thing in the past 10 years.
Show me a web application that takes the full power of a web browser (NS 6.1+ IE 5+) and uses it. Oh and I am working on some sweet things on my web site, but I'm not taking a /. hit on it.
In open source version 1.0 is usually the 'discovery period'. How do I get it done. In versino 2.0 it is usually the 'cleanup period and feature enhancement'. How do I make it easier to maintain and debug and add to. In 3.0 it is usually sweet! Look at kde 3.x, pretty sweet stuff there as is gtk, and GNOME.
In closed source it is always about how do I make money off this. There is often no 'rewrite of a large software product', just partial rewrite. Do you think MS rewote NT4 for 2k or XP? Nope. To costly to rewrite that much code. I'm sure parts were rewritten, like the Linux kernel does. But in open source there is more of a change that someone will just rewrite a program and go from there than there is in closed source. In my opinion this is all because of money.
In any case yes Linux = kernel, GNU is all the rest.
SCO is trying to taint the whole GNU movement. I do have to wonder what the FSF's status is on how the HURD is coming along. I have been to the site and saw some info on downloading the GNU/hurd, but was not sure what to install or how. Their docs seemed lacking.
I am getting tired of SCO and all their FUD spreadding and the complete lack of willingness to show what code is really tainted. It would make more sense to show everyone the code and the proof of who put it in there. Then they would have credibility. At this point any credibility is shot. It also does not help that they were (a) selling Linux that was 'tainted', and (b) once knows as Caldera (after the purchase), and lastly (c) they added "Linux Kernel Personality" into SCO's code, which is ON their web site.
My feeling is that after Caldera bought SCO, the code went both ways. SCO Linux. Also at this point IBM was NO longer obligated to SCO as they were now Caldera and their contracts were with SCO not Caldera. Yes contracts can be transferred, but IBM was not required to do business with Caldera. They did anyway.
I think in the end SCO will be as far with the UNIX code as ATT/Novell got, if they are lucky.
it is possible that a spammer is sending spam with @yourdomain.ext and some phony name. I'm not sure this is dns hijacking, but it is in a sense identity theft. At this stage of the game, your email address is slowly becoming your 'second phone number'. With the current push to make phone numbers transferrable between cell phone companies, how long will it be before people want to move between states and have the same thing or email addresses.
1) PArents OR teacher should supervise students using school or home computers. Software does not do this job, opensource or closed it is still the same.
2) Public libraries MUST now install this software and there is no provision for adult or childern computers, just 'computers'. I should be able to go to a library and see unsensored text on the web.
3) Valid web sites get blocked, based on keywords in the page. Someone who goes to a public library and is over 21, maybe a teacher who searches for 'sex education', may have all the results blocked cause the site may mention c*** or v***** or p****.
4) p0nr will probably still get through the blocker, cause p0nr sites will change the spelling of words for JUST that purpose.
You want to proteck what your child has access to??? Do you really want to do that? Then police after your own child and watch what they have access to.
I wouldn't buy a Linux distro from Oracle either, but since they are advertising 'make Linux unbreakable' they would have a vestered interest. Also if they did that they could open UNIX source code once and for all, which is what I thought caldera would have done. Why is this 30 year license / code crap coming back to haunt us all the time. If they had just BSD'd or GPL'd the code in the 70's UNIX would probably be the dominant player now.
So having said that, it makes Linux a 'drop in' Unix replacement, almost. From OUR point of view.
So is Linux UNIX? No more than wine is windows, IMHO.
What is derived? Well that is the whole point of my post. Most people think of derived as take A and come up with B from A. The thing is that you need A to derive B. For the actual definition see http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=derived
In #5 it is used to produce or obtain from another substance. In this case it could be argued (weakly mind you) that Linux was derived from UNIX, even if Linux does not use UNIX code, if UNIX did not exists Linux would have not existed. Weak argument!
As far as the UNIX source code that they 'own'. In ATT vs BSD there were 3 BSD files that had to be rewritten.
Personally I think that SCO is looking to settle, and is loking for money and money only. In one of the articles that I read lately was that the people who are suing in SCO are not new to law suits. They have used these weak tactics to take advantage of the legal system to get money. That is it. I don't think they care about Linux or AIX, I think that this is just a ploy to use the legal system to try and extort money from IBM, and the Linux / UNIX community.
Personally I think Oracle should prove their interest in Linux and buy SCO instead of wasting their time trying to buy Peoplesoft.
Oh I forgot to add, someone should contact Redhat and the other Linunx vendors to file a friend of the court brief at some point.
I think what this will boil down to is two things. 1) the definition of derived work. What is actually derived and what is add to or is extending something deriving from it? Also that derived work is more restrictive than patents. In a patent if I improve your patent I can file a patent on it and get it and I think owe you nothing if it was your thing I improved on. This is the case with all the various mice that are out there, displays, tv, etc. And 2) what is the actual UNIX source code and what does SCO actualy own the rights to.
If SCO wins, then they could basically OWN UNIX, Linux and possibly BSD, DEPENDING ON THE definintiion of derived. If SCO looses UNIX could become open and free. Of course there is room for somewhere in the middle to happen, and that SCO could get bought by some company like HP/Compaq, who decides to just get ride of UNIX.
Personally I think that their actual case is week, but what they are gambling on is either a settlement, or a lame judge, who defines 'derived' as vaguely as they do. It's time to look up stuff on the Honorable Judge Dale A. Kimball, who has been assigned the case.....
Also the SCO / IBM project was made before SCO was bought by Caldera. IBM was under NO commitment to Caldera after the purchase, so it was thier right to cancel and move to Linux. WHY NOT? The UNIX company they were 'partnered' with was now a Linux company that was proclaiming that UNIX was dead. (http://www.interex.org/hpworldnews/hpw010/02nt.ht ml)
I don't doubt that at this point the code bases have been mixed. I also think SCO, when it was under Caldera did the mixing. The real question is what to do now?
I propose a class action lawsuit against SCO by EVERY Linux user, vendor, and programmer, suing SCO for violation of the GPL. There IS Linux code in SCO. I'm sure of that!
Also this is a good thing for their ISP / msn department, as it will help them be able to say that the 'butterfly' does help stop spam, by stopping it at its source.
I'm a UNIX user and I am really glad that MS is doing something that is good for ALL for a change. I just hope they don't try to make an agreement like, you can spam everyone else, BUT msn.
I think SCO is fishing at this point. I think that they are going to find out that they are going to have to open up the sealed case of ATT/Novell vs BSD and find out that SCO doesnt really own 'derived' works. That would be like me inventing a a lightbulb and claiming rights to all lightbulbs derived from my lightbulb, including florescent adn halogen and LED's. It doesn't work that way.
I do wonder how much info IE stores, but since I hardly ever use it I could really care less. I do think that since about 90% of the planet uses IE / Windows, it should be of a concern to someone.
Age and coding have nothing to do with each other. I have meet some pretty dumb young (and old) coders as well as some pretty smart ones. Age has never had anything to do with it.
The real problem is that the older people get the more resistant they are to learning new things. (Not all, the good coders NEVER stop learning.)
The problem I have seen with younger coders is that they think they know all the answers, but usually don't. NOONE KNOWS ALL THE ANSWERS.
Most young coders don't think about user interaction with programs. This is evident by the number of college students that create open source or shareware or freeware programs, while they use wonderfully new technology, and do some pretty amazing things, are completely user unfriendly. When I was working at my last company all the coders were younger than me. I told them that there was a bug, that needed to be fixed. They said (and I quote), "We know about this. It is not a bug, it is a setup issue. Noone will ever do that!"
GUESS WHAT? This was a new feature in the existing software. Our second biggest client was testing this and their system crashed. The feature was in a workflow rules setup. The client setup rules that ended up looping. Each iteration through the loop created a record in a table. The table filled and the system crashed. I then said, "I told you so!"
Yes they were annoyed, cause the 'old guy' was right. Somethings in coding are learned by experience. Someone who is 21 probably does not have the experience of someone who is 31. This is not to say that young people can't be good coders, but it also does not mean that because someone is in their 30's its time to retire them as a coder.
I'd have to agree. I also think that while SCO was under Caldera and the former owner / pres, the code from Linux made its way into SCO. IBM probably knows this and it is figuring out the best way to tell SCO to f*** off and die. In legal terms I think it would, "Make like a dot-com and bust, SCO!"
Alternately SCO could possibly be sued by IBM.
I'm sure this is going to really f*** SCO's credibility.
I kinda though that this was the case. SCO used Linux code not the other way around.
Lucy you have some 'splainin to do!