IF the University studies Open Source there will then become proof why Open Source is good. I, as a write of Open Source software, have gotton feedback and input from others because the program that I wrote was open source. When the University realizes that it is because a person ahs the source to modify and add and change and fix that makes Open Source work then there will be proof from an actual study that this is a better model of software development than closed source. Hell the company I work for gives much of its source code to its clients. Mainly because it is cobol, and runs on mainframes and there are no executables in this situation. But it seems to work okay. Internally the company has an open source between business units. Any business unit can take anothers source code for there prduct and use it modify it whatever they wish.
Kids in the us today are often spoiled and do what ever the hell they want. Parents are often working and not supervising these kids. This will hopefully start to make parents responsible for there children.
They have curfu in DC now too. 12pm. So tell me what the hell is a child under 12 doing outside at midnight if he is not coming home from a job? Hanging outside leads to boredom. Bordom leads to mischief. Mischief usually leads to trouble.
It is terrible that the goverment has to regulate things like this when the parents should be doing this anyway, but in light of the fact that many people want to just have the kids and then have socuiety raise them, I for one am glad to see that society is saying you had your kids now it is time you took care of them!
Note this is not all children but there is a large majority out there that fall in this category. It is a shame when adults do not feel safe around there children.
"remeber that execution speed is not the only measure of a program"
tell that to an end user that is waiting. They don't care about that. They just wonder why is that so slow.
I have done a little Java programming, and think that it is a really nice language to program in. IHave you tried Tcl/Tk thou? It is a scripting language that is similar to the Java programming language, only not with as many methods available.
There was a major tcp/ip mem leak in 2.2.11 that caused my SMP box to lock up solid. Most people who ran 2.2.11 AFAIK id dnot have very long uptimes unlesss they applied the necessary patches.
I'd upgrade from 2.2.11 to atleast 2.2.12 unless you applied the patch or pathces to 2.2.11. 2.2.11 was known to cause some serious lockups in some systems that required a hard reboot. 2.2.12 is much better AFAIK.
When 2.2.11 there was an issue that I had mentioned here; It was as follows. If you have a fresh 2.2.11 you could apply the 2.2.12 patch right on top of it, however if you had applied any of the patches to 2.2.11 (in my case the tcp/ip fix -> they are found at www.linux.org.uk) then you had to revert the patch or start out with a clean 2.2.11 or just download the 2.2.12.
My question now is: for 2.2.12 there was a patch for a slow page leak which I just applied. This patch actually reverted part of the 2.2.12 patch. Do I now need to re apply this patch and then apply the 2.2.13 patch or can I just patch my system with the 2.2.13 patch?
My best guess: from my past experience I am going to guess to say that I must apply the reverted patch to 2.2.12 and then apply the patch to 2.2.13. Or start out with a fresh 2.2.12 and patch to 2.2.13 or just download the whole 2.2.13.
Although having a new kernel out is good news as I am sure it has fixes and new featuress, I am not sure it is necessary for me to upgrade. Also something to add here is that according to the linux kernel howto (last time I read it atleast) they suggested that upgrading the kernel is only done if you need some feature or bug fix in a newer kernel.
hmm Maybe I'll wait this time and see if there are bugs in there that will affect me. Besides 13 is not the luckest number.-> If you believe in superstition;-0
I'd have to agree and I am speaking as a former patent examiner. The system needs a total revbamping. It really servers no use now. Patent examiners cannot do an effective search it is impossible. Even when an examiner can do a good search and come up with an argument it is still subject to legal litigation if the person seeking the patent chooses to persue it. Cases can go to court and stay in litigatio for years, just like civil suits do. The whole system is now maintained by lawers, and protects nonoes rights really but those that can afford to maintain there patents. Yes I said maintain, cause once a patent is issued it must be maintained and this costs money Oh the author of this article forgot to mention that. It is all just about money money and who has the better attournies.
Java is a very cool language. It is very powerful, with a very extensive API. It is similar to tcl/tk in its naming convention, (get set) but with more power to it. Beans are also very cool. Creating thread and socket is easy and can be done in about 10 lines or so. If they can make a fast enough VM then it will make moving to Java less painful for most. The one complaint that i have heard most form anyone (including my self) about Java is that it is slow. My guess is that it is so slow because it has to go thru a transualtion layer the JVM.
Java App -> JVM-> OS
Also Java program are compiled 2 times. Once when they are turned in to cross platform byte code, then again when the byte code gets executed on the platform. I love programming in the language, as everything is an object and inherites from Object, it makes writing and reading streams easy. Just write or read the object and you have your data back.
I checked out the M9 release when it was released and it looked like it was coming along fairly well. I don't think that the project is doomed. Not yet, it is only doomed if they dump the whole project. There is coming competition in the market once again. Yes M$ may gain market share but there will be choices. True computer users will be willing to download the new Mozilla when it is releaased if not just to try it out, but also to use. I know that I'll be getting a copy when it is completed.
Somehow I just cannot see M$ getting the whole enchelada(sp) ever. To many people and companies are opposed to them.
IF I had the bandwidth to upgrade form an ftp site, and gnome had an rpm dir with all the rpms, I'd just do an rpm -Uvh * and let my system determine which rpms I need:-)
It was rather interesting thou. I wonder if because you have longer dendrites if it makes you smarter too? I also wonder ihow it woudl affect children, before puberty? Most geeks after all seem to drink alot of coffee or soda (at least the ones I meet). Any correlation?
They have to many things to download for the base distribution. There are like 20 packages just to get the basic GOME installed. If it were not for the fact that distros like SuSE, Redhat, and Slackware to name a few, to include GNome on there cdroms, I'd never have tried gnome. Kde was much easier, there were 3 files to download to get the system up kdesupport, kdelibs and kdebase. Anything else was / is extra. Not to turn this into a desktop war, but don't you think that it would be easier to install there stuff if they did it this way? I have heard of many an experienced Linux user having problems getting gnome up and running. BTW I do like gnome very much, and my currentl desktop consists of windowwmaker window manager gnome task bar and kfm. A little bit of diversity never killed anyone:-)
Java runs just about anywhere.. including Mainframes, so that should not be a problem.
Perl runs on Windows, Linux, and UNIX's, so that shoudl not be a problem.
For C++ you may want to try qt, as it runs on Windows and Unix and Linux.
Okay now the 'beef'.
Java-> avoid J++ as it is not pure Java it may not work everywhere. Stick to 100% pure Java. You can do most things in Java too, there is a very extensive set of API's. You can do threads, and sockets very easily. The only reason to use any other language would be speed.
Incidentally you never did mention what this program is supposed to do or what you are trying to program. If you are doing system level programming, then cross platform may be more difficult, but if you are doing a GUI program, try perl/tk fpor the front end and C++ for the back end. If you code right you can do it all in one language thou, and still make it cross platform, with only a few if (os = ) {} statements.
I thought it was rather funny they mentioned the BSOD, and that you can dump the contents of the screen to a page file. They forgot to mention the part that you may not be able to recover that page file without making a significant investment in more software to get that page file back, or that when you get the BSOD your system may be hosed and you'll l have to reinstall or get 'more software' from you guessed it Microsoft to recover your system. Been there got the BSOD, was without my system for a week untill the techies at the company coudl recover my system with..yup expensive software. So expensive that we could only afford one copy.
Makes me wonder if they planned the BSOD just to make more software that people would have to buy...
You believe in the goverment conspiracy, I'll believe in the software conspiracy!
AFAIK UNIX in a nutshell is generic unix book, this covers the basic commands and thing like awk, sed, and grep. It is more of a reference manual (IMHO). IT is always good to have a copy of that in the office to look up the commands.
Essential System Administration I'd hope talks more about the configuration of services like sendmail, inetd, and other common unix utilities. Basically how to setup and configure a system.
Running Linux probably goes into specific details about using a Linux specific system linux has utilities that are include in most distributions that are not included with most other UNIX flavors by default. While most of them are available for other , they must be downloaded seperately. rgrep is an example of this. I'd hope the book went over things that were more specific to linux. Even things such as recompiling a kernel.
If the user has to be using opera mail then it sounds like it may be a bug in opera mail. Since i use netscape. Hmm guess they will be releasing a new version soon I'd hope or loosing a lot of customers. Personally I'd use something with a bit more presence then opera mail, like netscape or outlook even. There are plenty of mail programs out there both windows and *NIX.
After reading a few posts here I think that everyone is missing the entire point of a GUI.
Everyone statues that using a GUI is slower thatn using the console. While this is true the purpose of a GUI is to make learning to use programs easier. Take any Microsoft product. They all have File, Edit, and Help menus. You can go to just about any product that they have done and they all have then and they are all in the same place. This makes going from Excel to Word, to Project adn other programs a bit easier for yes 'newbies'. This uniform interface is something that does not really exist in command line interfaces. For each command line program you have to learn a new set of commands. While this is fine for many of the Linux and UNix users out there as they are accusomed to this way of life. Many people who are new to computers, are really not intereseted in learning that much about computers.
If you ever watched/read Dilbert, think of his boss. Do you really think that Dilberts boss cared one way or another about grep -i or rgrep -ir? NO! He'd want a simple GUI that he has to learn very little to use.
Now to get back on topic. NC's NC are in a way similar to the old Unix dumb terminals. However in the case of an NC the true idea is to make them smart terminals. They should have a cpu a little memory, and no hard drive. Basically a diskless machine. If the network application is done in perl, or cgi then chances are the network computer will nt be doign to much. However if the applicaiton is done in Java nd the whole system is set up correctly it should use its own cpu, which is what is supposed to make it smart. THe difference form setting up a network copmputer and a diskless machine is supposed to be cost and space. A NC should be small, as it has very few parts, and disposable.
I have yet to try these and am actually wondering if there is anyone out there that is uisng them and what results they have?
just my 2 cents...IMHO...
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hmm rpm -i package.rpm.. and were done! no rebooting and possible (depending on the package) no configuring, no registry setings, no enviroment variables, no problems. Have you tried kpackage lately? It is rather easy. You can install from an ftp, by clicking on an icon in kfm. Also if you have a sitewide install for Linux you can write a little script, in well pick a language, perl, csh, bash, python, tcl, and have it install and upgrade for you.
Sorry but I do just about everything in a GUI under Linux theses days. My machine has been up for 15days, and the only thing I use a console for to launch a program or two, that I have not created icons yet for. kfm/gnomepanel, and windowmaker..
What if they use kde. It will certainly be more friendly a GUI for those newbies. WHat if they use a distro like Caldera newest one, and they find it easier than NT and quicker? What if they discover that after an application crashes under Linux there system doesn't? What if this little 'plan' of Microsofts backfires, and the clueless newbies discover they really like Linux better then W2K? Yes these are a lot of what if's but 'anything can happen'.
Mandrake probably does not get that much respect becuase it is basically a Redhat distro that has been improved. I believe that Mandrake takes the latest Redhat distribution and adds to it the latest kde libs, and some other utilities that don't normally come with Redhat. Some of these are hylafax, sane and a few other programs like that. While you can certainly download any of these programs, or get them with RH powertools, Mandrake has chosen to make some of these part of the distro. Mandrake also highly integrates kde into the system where as Redhat integrates Gnome. Both desktops are included in each distro, along with windowmaker and afterstep and several others. I have often thought about going to Mandrake, but now that I have RH 6.0 all setup and customized some ofd th esystem I really cannot see a reason at this time to upgrade any of my system. (READ if it's not broke don't fix it.)
Personally I started with Slackware a few years ago and using hte umsdos filesystem it was easy. It installed very nicely with my system and I did not have to repartition anything as umsdos was ment to run on a dos filesystem. I di dnot use lilo I used loadlin to boot it an dbooted from dos to linux with ease. Since then I have moved to Redhat. Not becuase oine is better, but as I learned more about my system I realized that 1) I wanted an ext2 filesystem as it is supposed to be faster than umsdos. 2) I wanted an rpm system. I tried SuSE and did not like there 6.0 distro so I tried RH 5.1 It was okay, and I am now happy with 6.0. This was my experience but your, as was stated will probably be different.
Operating system are like clothes, you try em on till you find what you like.
I like Linux, but I am not saying it is for everyone. I think that the fact that there is a choice of OS's is great. Pick one that is right for you.
in theory this may be of help but the real fact of the matter is that the ppatent office needs to be overhauled entirely. They have these messed up quotas systems that most of the time prevent them from doing good work. There is also a lot of law that is involoved. It is a messed up system that many people who are applying for patents (mainly patent lawyers) often take advantage of. TO be an expert in this one must be both a technological expert and a legal expert which is not something that we see alot of today. This is especially a problem as technology requires a lot of knowlege as does law.
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IF the University studies Open Source there will then become proof why Open Source is good. I, as a write of Open Source software, have gotton feedback and input from others because the program that I wrote was open source. When the University realizes that it is because a person ahs the source to modify and add and change and fix that makes Open Source work then there will be proof from an actual study that this is a better model of software development than closed source. Hell the company I work for gives much of its source code to its clients. Mainly because it is cobol, and runs on mainframes and there are no executables in this situation. But it seems to work okay. Internally the company has an open source between business units. Any business unit can take anothers source code for there prduct and use it modify it whatever they wish.
Kids in the us today are often spoiled and do what ever the hell they want. Parents are often working and not supervising these kids. This will hopefully start to make parents responsible for there children.
They have curfu in DC now too. 12pm. So tell me what the hell is a child under 12 doing outside at midnight if he is not coming home from a job? Hanging outside leads to boredom. Bordom leads to mischief. Mischief usually leads to trouble.
It is terrible that the goverment has to regulate things like this when the parents should be doing this anyway, but in light of the fact that many people want to just have the kids and then have socuiety raise them, I for one am glad to see that society is saying you had your kids now it is time you took care of them!
Note this is not all children but there is a large majority out there that fall in this category. It is a shame when adults do not feel safe around there children.
tell that to an end user that is waiting. They don't care about that. They just wonder why is that so slow.
I have done a little Java programming, and think that it is a really nice language to program in. IHave you tried Tcl/Tk thou? It is a scripting language that is similar to the Java programming language, only not with as many methods available.
This is a bit late considering that Java 1.3 has been released for NT already.
There was a major tcp/ip mem leak in 2.2.11 that caused my SMP box to lock up solid. Most people who ran 2.2.11 AFAIK id dnot have very long uptimes unlesss they applied the necessary patches.
I'd upgrade from 2.2.11 to atleast 2.2.12 unless you applied the patch or pathces to 2.2.11. 2.2.11 was known to cause some serious lockups in some systems that required a hard reboot. 2.2.12 is much better AFAIK.
When 2.2.11 there was an issue that I had mentioned here; It was as follows. If you have a fresh 2.2.11 you could apply the 2.2.12 patch right on top of it, however if you had applied any of the patches to 2.2.11 (in my case the tcp/ip fix -> they are found at www.linux.org.uk) then you had to revert the patch or start out with a clean 2.2.11 or just download the 2.2.12.
My question now is: for 2.2.12 there was a patch for a slow page leak which I just applied. This patch actually reverted part of the 2.2.12 patch. Do I now need to re apply this patch and then apply the 2.2.13 patch or can I just patch my system with the 2.2.13 patch?
My best guess: from my past experience I am going to guess to say that I must apply the reverted patch to 2.2.12 and then apply the patch to 2.2.13. Or start out with a fresh 2.2.12 and patch to 2.2.13 or just download the whole 2.2.13.
Although having a new kernel out is good news as I am sure it has fixes and new featuress, I am not sure it is necessary for me to upgrade. Also something to add here is that according to the linux kernel howto (last time I read it atleast) they suggested that upgrading the kernel is only done if you need some feature or bug fix in a newer kernel.
hmm Maybe I'll wait this time and see if there are bugs in there that will affect me. Besides 13 is not the luckest number.-> If you believe in superstition ;-0
I'd have to agree and I am speaking as a former patent examiner. The system needs a total revbamping. It really servers no use now. Patent examiners cannot do an effective search it is impossible. Even when an examiner can do a good search and come up with an argument it is still subject to legal litigation if the person seeking the patent chooses to persue it. Cases can go to court and stay in litigatio for years, just like civil suits do. The whole system is now maintained by lawers, and protects nonoes rights really but those that can afford to maintain there patents. Yes I said maintain, cause once a patent is issued it must be maintained and this costs money Oh the author of this article forgot to mention that. It is all just about money money and who has the better attournies.
Also Java program are compiled 2 times. Once when they are turned in to cross platform byte code, then again when the byte code gets executed on the platform. I love programming in the language, as everything is an object and inherites from Object, it makes writing and reading streams easy. Just write or read the object and you have your data back.
I checked out the M9 release when it was released and it looked like it was coming along fairly well. I don't think that the project is doomed. Not yet, it is only doomed if they dump the whole project. There is coming competition in the market once again. Yes M$ may gain market share but there will be choices. True computer users will be willing to download the new Mozilla when it is releaased if not just to try it out, but also to use. I know that I'll be getting a copy when it is completed.
Somehow I just cannot see M$ getting the whole enchelada(sp) ever. To many people and companies are opposed to them.
I missed 5 and 6 where were those release number, why the jump to 7? LAst I heard, was 4, and that is what they have at there web site what gives?
IF I had the bandwidth to upgrade form an ftp site, and gnome had an rpm dir with all the rpms, I'd just do an rpm -Uvh * and let my system determine which rpms I need :-)
same can be said about Solaris, as Solaris also has patches, for the kernel, as I am sure do most OS'es.
It was rather interesting thou. I wonder if because you have longer dendrites if it makes you smarter too? I also wonder ihow it woudl affect children, before puberty? Most geeks after all seem to drink alot of coffee or soda (at least the ones I meet). Any correlation?
They have to many things to download for the base distribution. There are like 20 packages just to get the basic GOME installed. If it were not for the fact that distros like SuSE, Redhat, and Slackware to name a few, to include GNome on there cdroms, I'd never have tried gnome. Kde was much easier, there were 3 files to download to get the system up kdesupport, kdelibs and kdebase. Anything else was / is extra. Not to turn this into a desktop war, but don't you think that it would be easier to install there stuff if they did it this way? I have heard of many an experienced Linux user having problems getting gnome up and running. BTW I do like gnome very much, and my currentl desktop consists of windowwmaker window manager gnome task bar and kfm. A little bit of diversity never killed anyone :-)
Java runs just about anywhere .. including Mainframes, so that should not be a problem.
Perl runs on Windows, Linux, and UNIX's, so that shoudl not be a problem.
For C++ you may want to try qt, as it runs on Windows and Unix and Linux.
Okay now the 'beef'.
Java-> avoid J++ as it is not pure Java it may not work everywhere. Stick to 100% pure Java. You can do most things in Java too, there is a very extensive set of API's. You can do threads, and sockets very easily. The only reason to use any other language would be speed.
Incidentally you never did mention what this program is supposed to do or what you are trying to program. If you are doing system level programming, then cross platform may be more difficult, but if you are doing a GUI program, try perl/tk fpor the front end and C++ for the back end. If you code right you can do it all in one language thou, and still make it cross platform, with only a few if (os = ) {} statements.
Makes me wonder if they planned the BSOD just to make more software that people would have to buy...
AFAIK UNIX in a nutshell is generic unix book, this covers the basic commands and thing like awk, sed, and grep. It is more of a reference manual (IMHO). IT is always good to have a copy of that in the office to look up the commands.
Essential System Administration I'd hope talks more about the configuration of services like sendmail, inetd, and other common unix utilities. Basically how to setup and configure a system.
Running Linux probably goes into specific details about using a Linux specific system linux has utilities that are include in most distributions that are not included with most other UNIX flavors by default. While most of them are available for other , they must be downloaded seperately. rgrep is an example of this. I'd hope the book went over things that were more specific to linux. Even things such as recompiling a kernel.
If the user has to be using opera mail then it sounds like it may be a bug in opera mail. Since i use netscape. Hmm guess they will be releasing a new version soon I'd hope or loosing a lot of customers. Personally I'd use something with a bit more presence then opera mail, like netscape or outlook even. There are plenty of mail programs out there both windows and *NIX.
After reading a few posts here I think that everyone is missing the entire point of a GUI.
Everyone statues that using a GUI is slower thatn using the console. While this is true the purpose of a GUI is to make learning to use programs easier. Take any Microsoft product. They all have File, Edit, and Help menus. You can go to just about any product that they have done and they all have then and they are all in the same place. This makes going from Excel to Word, to Project adn other programs a bit easier for yes 'newbies'. This uniform interface is something that does not really exist in command line interfaces. For each command line program you have to learn a new set of commands. While this is fine for many of the Linux and UNix users out there as they are accusomed to this way of life. Many people who are new to computers, are really not intereseted in learning that much about computers.
If you ever watched/read Dilbert, think of his boss. Do you really think that Dilberts boss cared one way or another about grep -i or rgrep -ir? NO! He'd want a simple GUI that he has to learn very little to use.
Now to get back on topic. NC's NC are in a way similar to the old Unix dumb terminals. However in the case of an NC the true idea is to make them smart terminals. They should have a cpu a little memory, and no hard drive. Basically a diskless machine. If the network application is done in perl, or cgi then chances are the network computer will nt be doign to much. However if the applicaiton is done in Java nd the whole system is set up correctly it should use its own cpu, which is what is supposed to make it smart. THe difference form setting up a network copmputer and a diskless machine is supposed to be cost and space. A NC should be small, as it has very few parts, and disposable.
I have yet to try these and am actually wondering if there is anyone out there that is uisng them and what results they have?
just my 2 cents...IMHO...
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Sorry but I do just about everything in a GUI under Linux theses days. My machine has been up for 15days, and the only thing I use a console for to launch a program or two, that I have not created icons yet for. kfm/gnomepanel, and windowmaker..
What if they use kde. It will certainly be more friendly a GUI for those newbies. WHat if they use a distro like Caldera newest one, and they find it easier than NT and quicker? What if they discover that after an application crashes under Linux there system doesn't? What if this little 'plan' of Microsofts backfires, and the clueless newbies discover they really like Linux better then W2K? Yes these are a lot of what if's but 'anything can happen'.
Mandrake probably does not get that much respect becuase it is basically a Redhat distro that has been improved. I believe that Mandrake takes the latest Redhat distribution and adds to it the latest kde libs, and some other utilities that don't normally come with Redhat. Some of these are hylafax, sane and a few other programs like that. While you can certainly download any of these programs, or get them with RH powertools, Mandrake has chosen to make some of these part of the distro. Mandrake also highly integrates kde into the system where as Redhat integrates Gnome. Both desktops are included in each distro, along with windowmaker and afterstep and several others. I have often thought about going to Mandrake, but now that I have RH 6.0 all setup and customized some ofd th esystem I really cannot see a reason at this time to upgrade any of my system. (READ if it's not broke don't fix it.)
Personally I started with Slackware a few years ago and using hte umsdos filesystem it was easy. It installed very nicely with my system and I did not have to repartition anything as umsdos was ment to run on a dos filesystem. I di dnot use lilo I used loadlin to boot it an dbooted from dos to linux with ease. Since then I have moved to Redhat. Not becuase oine is better, but as I learned more about my system I realized that 1) I wanted an ext2 filesystem as it is supposed to be faster than umsdos. 2) I wanted an rpm system. I tried SuSE and did not like there 6.0 distro so I tried RH 5.1 It was okay, and I am now happy with 6.0. This was my experience but your, as was stated will probably be different.
Operating system are like clothes, you try em on till you find what you like.
I like Linux, but I am not saying it is for everyone. I think that the fact that there is a choice of OS's is great. Pick one that is right for you.
in theory this may be of help but the real fact of the matter is that the ppatent office needs to be overhauled entirely. They have these messed up quotas systems that most of the time prevent them from doing good work. There is also a lot of law that is involoved. It is a messed up system that many people who are applying for patents (mainly patent lawyers) often take advantage of. TO be an expert in this one must be both a technological expert and a legal expert which is not something that we see alot of today. This is especially a problem as technology requires a lot of knowlege as does law.