Having used both Linux and FreeBSD, they both have there plusses and minuses.
I have found that most Linux distributions are easier to install. The install is rather straight forward. Linux distributions do things like letting the user do the partitioning, and they do not recommend any partitioning schemes.
I have also noticed that Linux and its new spotlight has made the 2.2 kernel series less stable than they should be. There seems to be a public driving force that is causing a need for features and comprimising the stability of the kernel.
FreeBSD does not seem to be suffering from this thou. There install is not that difficult, but it is not as friendly as most Linux distros. There stability has not been comprimised by the need to support new hardware, and all sorts of features.
FreeBSD is more of a standard *NIX, than Linux is. The good part of FreeBSD is that most Linux software has been ported over to FreeBSD. So it is possible to have most of the same software that you have on a Linux box running on your FreeBSD box, should you choose to go that route. This includes Gnome, KDE, Windomaker, and afterstep, and many of there associated programs, as well as many of the other commonly found programs.
FreeBSD does also have a dependancy checking mechanism in there installation, so that dependancy problems can be resolved. This is similar to rpm or deb of Linux.
On another note, I did notice that the article had mentioned that Microsoft was being threatened by the free software. While this may be true, I was recently informed that Hotmail which is owned by M$ runs FreeBSD. I originaly thought that Hotmail ran Solaris and HP, which was why M$ ported its IE to thoses platforms. If Hotmail does run on FreeBSD, then why did M$ not port there IE to that platform instead?
This could be good for Java and other cross platform languages like Tcl/Tk. If the goverment has servers that are NT and some that are Linux and several other platforms then they are going to want software that will run on both you'd think.
I am interested in where this will go. If the goverement gets into Open Source code, will they give back to the Open Source community if they find security issues and fix them?
If the goverment enhances security in the kernel will they Open Source these too?
I have freeBSD running in a Vmware session under Linux, I have thought about switching, but will wait to see how Linux 2.2 continues to progress, and will learn about FreeBSD too, not counting it out..
Competition is a good thing if it is kept fair. As long as RH does not resort to the same tactics that a certain other company uses like buying out and threatening its competiton, it will be good. It will force all these companies to produce better products, that will have to be more stable. This in turn should mean that some of these distributions should be super easy to install for newbies, and super easy to configure for newbies, and hopefuly more 'english' like doocumentation other than man pages. Yes I have used man pages, and often I understand them, but some newbies may not. Gnome has a good start to an interface to man, but there are some features lacking. Don't get me wrong I am very happy with my configuration, and distribution. There are a few things I wish I had and if I get the time will write myself.
I hope that this competition in Europe will make SuSE open up a little in there Licensing of there YaST and there distribution too. Currently SuSE has 'evaluation' distributions, which IMHO I think is bogus.
I wonder whow this will affect the Easy Linux distribution. Maybe well see cdroms of there show up on linuxcentral, and linuxmall. I'd love to test them out.
I see this as a good thing for Linux. Means that hopefully they will moake ports of the rest of there stuf that uses OpenGL to Linux too. I hope that this is not just a promise and they follow thru.
SGI technology in Linux can be good, it will hopefully get more people to embrace Linux, and improve Linux as an OS.
Linux is uniting *NIXes. Solaris and FreeBSD already have the means to run some Linux programs, this makes Linux binaries "almost" a default format.
I am looking forward to next year and the things to come for Linux, and hopefully more features added in in the 2.4 kernel. I wonder what 3.0 will be like and if it will make it that far?
First see it with a JavaScript and Java Enable browser and if you have the tcl plugin that too, then see it with M9. I have only tried on Linux RH6.0 so it may be better on other platforms. This is just an FYI. It looks good thou, and it is getting better.
IMHO.. moderation = censorship, you filter out certain opinions based on what someone believes should be filetered out. filtering out the AC's can filter out some good opinions. What wil be next/.? Only the elitist get to post?please what is this moderation s*** anyway, I have good karma, so don't tell me I have bad karma....
they advertise the jdk 1.0.2, I wonder if that is what is on the distro or a typo, it also makes me wonder what other libs they have that are old. They need atleast the jdk 1.1.3. It otherwise looks pretty nice for a newbie, but I am not going there, my system is already configured. Maybe it they ahd a RH to Caldera upgrade or something . It is not so much that the stuff I have woudln't work, as the reconfiguring of a system to get it tuned to where you are sooo comfortable.
I agree. I saw the book at borders, and although it is a good book, I need a little more information, when I code, and although I do have the source, that is an exhaustive approach. I did go thru the gtk+ tutorial, and info online, and have picked up gtk+ fairly well, but there are still lots of things that are left out. I had to look in the header files and then playa around to find something out, which did not bother me, but there are still some areas that I am weak in. I'd love a book as intensive as the Java Class Libs Vol 1 and 2 are, only with more examples, but until then I'll be looking at the source code and online documentation.
First Java is still big. Just look for a programming Job, and many want Java, and Perl, or C++. It is still in the game don't count it out dead. It may not wipe M$ off the face of the earth, but it is is still there.
Linux (IMHO) is an alternative, to M$. Just Like Apple/Mac is. It may not 'take over the world' but it is still growing.
The big difference is that with Java all these companies like Corel and Lotus as he mentioned made promises, and never kept them. The difference is that They are keeping there promises with Linux. Ie there does exist Corel Office 8.0 for Linux and Lotus has released Domino for Linux too, a beta I believe (there was something about this on/.).
I moved to Linux cause Win 3.1 left a bitter taste in my mouth with it always crashing. Win95 was better but still crashed to much for me. Yes Linux does have its problems, but
"Linux was running successfully on thousands of computers long before the media hype began."
I could use a pair of those 600Mhz for my next SMP workstation. It would allow me to run multiple vmware sessions and set up my own virtual lan wiht no slowdowsn on the system as a whole. I'd also be able to do some awesoime graphics and video.
The show clearly states at the beginning of the show, that it is for Mature Audiences. If her child is watching this show, then it is her fault for not watching what her child is viewing. Once again this shows the lack of interest parents have in raising there and expecting society to wath out for thee children and clean up when a parent screws up.
and if they knew anything about security, they could configure FreeBSD to be secure, or they coudl be using OPNEBSD which has never been cracked supposedly, see the thread about OpenBSD a few days ago. Microsoft rtied the IIS/NT with Hotmail, and it coudl not scale to there demands. Thus *nix is better.
having ht esource code makes up for some lacks in documentation. If you do not understand the documentation you can look at the function declaration, and hte function itself, and how it handles things. It does lack in documentation, yes, but it is often better, than trying to fiddle with a messed up API, that does not work as it is supposed to. Also something to note is that many of the M$ API's are not very well documentened either, and sometimes it is just hard to get there documentation too.
I guess this makes having a Linux PPC system at home more attractive these days. We all know that windows is prone to cracking and this is just more proof that they know nothing at all about security. *nix on the other hand has been handline security a little better. Don't get me wrong, any system can be cracked, but it seems like a trend to crack Microsoft systems these days. we are always hearing about there security problmes, and they seem to have so many. The wolrd is just not ready for network pc's. Maybe in a LAN yes, but not in a home, where everythign is on the server. Hell I am debating weather or not to write my own encryption program, and then send the keys to people I want to decrypt the mail.
I'd have to agree, but I think that is what the LSB is trying to get a grip on. After all Linux does have 3 different packaging schemes, deb, rpm, and tgz. There are people who hate some of the different distros of Linux, just because of how they do thing different than they think should be done. And yes there are certian stability issues in Linux. Certain kernel version are not good, while others are. Linux is more pickey IMHO. If it is configured properly it will work for a long period of time with no problem. If it is not, you eventually run into problems.
I have FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, at home, as well as Solaris, and Linux (Redhat & TL and have tried others) and NT. They are just operating systems. Which one you choose should depend mainly on your needs, not what is cool or not. Why do I have so many *NIX variants? cause I like *NIX.
I personally wish that more feature that are in Linux made there way to other *NIX vairants to make them more user friendly. Color ls is on of the main ones, it makes life easier.
Unfortuanately, the company network is the companies property and it is the companies email. At least in the US AFAIK. Yes it is an invasion of privacy to your users IMHO, but it is the company lan, and is for business purposes. I believe there was a company (I wont say the name but they are a consulting company) that got sued because its employees were found to be discussing the project in there emails, and they had nothing good to say, they were telling all the problem to outisdes, an dkeping the client in the dark. There email was used in court trials, in the US. Look at the Microsoft trial, the email has been used in court. Internal Microsoft email I believe. This is done all the time in the US, it is often downplayed thou.
Yes, this sucks!
However it is not a sysadmins job to scan and read email. It is your job to set up some utilities to send email with certain words in them to you, or an appropriate person. This is ofcource if the company requests it.
Personally, the company that I work for found this to be an incrediable waste of resources. We have 7 buildings in my home area, and a global network. There are just to many emails traveling thru our networks to track it all, and it would be a full time job searching thru email. They tried, and now it is just if you walk up to someones machine and they have porn on the screen then they get busted.
Yes it can be done, but as I said it is an incredable waste of resources. You should inform the human resource people that you do not have the time to search thru email, and that if they insist that you do this that they increase your pay as it will increase the amount of work that you do. Or just tell them you'd quit.
Sysadmin jobs are a dime a dozon, while sys admins are not. Just look in the papers today, there are plenty of jobs in most major cities in the US, and for someone with experience, you can leave the company and not have to put up with that.
The source code for this is to big. The suite is over 70Megs, the source must be more. Sun tried releasing there OS Solaris for $15, and it does not seem to have caught on as they expected. I have a copy, but am much happier in Linux, as it is just more user friendly from the start. This is just there attempt at combatting Microsoft, and most Linux users see this, I tihkn. Just my opinion, thou.
I'l just use jpegs, and java for animations.. screw the gifs, if they are going to be that way about it. Everyone else is open sourcing in some way or another, they need to let this patent expire, and stop paying the maintenance fee.. oh well in time it will expire and gifs will be free.. they may end up killing themsevles anyway
think that all you wish. I am only stating what I have heard about the project. It is getting more actoin now, cause it is actually usable, but how many outside developers compared to inhouse developers do thay have? like percentages? I have heard that there are mostly in house development. I'd love to find out otherwise thou, so if you have other info please share it with me.
will there really be an effor by the open source community on star office? I think the source is just to big, especially considering download for start office is something like 36 megs. It is a good idea, but it may suffer the same fate as mozilla, where it will recieve some outside input, but not that much. Just My opinion thou. It will be nice if you find a bug, , but will you want to debug it? How long will it take to compile?
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Having used both Linux and FreeBSD, they both have there plusses and minuses.
I have found that most Linux distributions are easier to install. The install is rather straight forward. Linux distributions do things like letting the user do the partitioning, and they do not recommend any partitioning schemes.
I have also noticed that Linux and its new spotlight has made the 2.2 kernel series less stable than they should be. There seems to be a public driving force that is causing a need for features and comprimising the stability of the kernel.
FreeBSD does not seem to be suffering from this thou. There install is not that difficult, but it is not as friendly as most Linux distros. There stability has not been comprimised by the need to support new hardware, and all sorts of features.
FreeBSD is more of a standard *NIX, than Linux is. The good part of FreeBSD is that most Linux software has been ported over to FreeBSD. So it is possible to have most of the same software that you have on a Linux box running on your FreeBSD box, should you choose to go that route. This includes Gnome, KDE, Windomaker, and afterstep, and many of there associated programs, as well as many of the other commonly found programs.
FreeBSD does also have a dependancy checking mechanism in there installation, so that dependancy problems can be resolved. This is similar to rpm or deb of Linux.
On another note, I did notice that the article had mentioned that Microsoft was being threatened by the free software. While this may be true, I was recently informed that Hotmail which is owned by M$ runs FreeBSD. I originaly thought that Hotmail ran Solaris and HP, which was why M$ ported its IE to thoses platforms. If Hotmail does run on FreeBSD, then why did M$ not port there IE to that platform instead?
This could be good for Java and other cross platform languages like Tcl/Tk. If the goverment has servers that are NT and some that are Linux and several other platforms then they are going to want software that will run on both you'd think.
I am interested in where this will go. If the goverement gets into Open Source code, will they give back to the Open Source community if they find security issues and fix them?
If the goverment enhances security in the kernel will they Open Source these too?
I have freeBSD running in a Vmware session under Linux, I have thought about switching, but will wait to see how Linux 2.2 continues to progress, and will learn about FreeBSD too, not counting it out..
Competition is a good thing if it is kept fair.
As long as RH does not resort to the same tactics that a certain other company uses like buying out and threatening its competiton, it will be good. It will force all these companies to produce better products, that will have to be more stable.
This in turn should mean that some of these distributions should be super easy to install for newbies, and super easy to configure for newbies, and hopefuly more 'english' like doocumentation other than man pages. Yes I have used man pages, and often I understand them, but some newbies may not. Gnome has a good start to an interface to man, but there are some features lacking.
Don't get me wrong I am very happy with my configuration, and distribution. There are a few things I wish I had and if I get the time will write myself.
I hope that this competition in Europe will make SuSE open up a little in there Licensing of there YaST and there distribution too. Currently SuSE has 'evaluation' distributions, which IMHO I think is bogus.
I wonder whow this will affect the Easy Linux distribution. Maybe well see cdroms of there show up on linuxcentral, and linuxmall. I'd love to test them out.
I see this as a good thing for Linux. Means that hopefully they will moake ports of the rest of there stuf that uses OpenGL to Linux too. I hope that this is not just a promise and they follow thru.
SGI technology in Linux can be good, it will hopefully get more people to embrace Linux, and improve Linux as an OS.
Linux is uniting *NIXes. Solaris and FreeBSD already have the means to run some Linux programs, this makes Linux binaries "almost" a default format.
I am looking forward to next year and the things to come for Linux, and hopefully more features added in in the 2.4 kernel. I wonder what 3.0 will be like and if it will make it that far?
I found and reported a few rendering and JavaScript bugs in release M9. This is the page that they occur at if you want to see em.
http://www.mindspring.com/~joeja/com puter.html
First see it with a JavaScript and Java Enable browser and if you have the tcl plugin that too, then see it with M9. I have only tried on Linux RH6.0 so it may be better on other platforms. This is just an FYI. It looks good thou, and it is getting better.
IMHO.. moderation = censorship, you filter out certain opinions based on what someone believes should be filetered out. filtering out the AC's can filter out some good opinions. What wil be next /.? Only the elitist get to post?please what is this moderation s*** anyway, I have good karma, so don't tell me I have bad karma....
they advertise the jdk 1.0.2, I wonder if that is what is on the distro or a typo, it also makes me wonder what other libs they have that are old. They need atleast the jdk 1.1.3. It otherwise looks pretty nice for a newbie, but I am not going there, my system is already configured. Maybe it they ahd a RH to Caldera upgrade or something . It is not so much that the stuff I have woudln't work, as the reconfiguring of a system to get it tuned to where you are sooo comfortable.
I agree. I saw the book at borders, and although it is a good book, I need a little more information, when I code, and although I do have the source, that is an exhaustive approach. I did go thru the gtk+ tutorial, and info online, and have picked up gtk+ fairly well, but there are still lots of things that are left out. I had to look in the header files and then playa around to find something out, which did not bother me, but there are still some areas that I am weak in. I'd love a book as intensive as the Java Class Libs Vol 1 and 2 are, only with more examples, but until then I'll be looking at the source code and online documentation.
First Java is still big. Just look for a programming Job, and many want Java, and Perl, or C++. It is still in the game don't count it out dead. It may not wipe M$ off the face of the earth, but it is is still there.
Linux (IMHO) is an alternative, to M$. Just Like Apple/Mac is. It may not 'take over the world' but it is still growing.
The big difference is that with Java all these companies like Corel and Lotus as he mentioned made promises, and never kept them. The difference is that They are keeping there promises with Linux. Ie there does exist Corel Office 8.0 for Linux and Lotus has released Domino for Linux too, a beta I believe (there was something about this on /.).
I moved to Linux cause Win 3.1 left a bitter taste in my mouth with it always crashing. Win95 was better but still crashed to much for me. Yes Linux does have its problems, but
I could use a pair of those 600Mhz for my next SMP workstation. It would allow me to run multiple vmware sessions and set up my own virtual lan wiht no slowdowsn on the system as a whole. I'd also be able to do some awesoime graphics and video.
The show clearly states at the beginning of the show, that it is for Mature Audiences. If her child is watching this show, then it is her fault for not watching what her child is viewing. Once again this shows the lack of interest parents have in raising there and expecting society to wath out for thee children and clean up when a parent screws up.
and if they knew anything about security, they could configure FreeBSD to be secure, or they coudl be using OPNEBSD which has never been cracked supposedly, see the thread about OpenBSD a few days ago. Microsoft rtied the IIS/NT with Hotmail, and it coudl not scale to there demands. Thus *nix is better.
having ht esource code makes up for some lacks in documentation. If you do not understand the documentation you can look at the function declaration, and hte function itself, and how it handles things. It does lack in documentation, yes, but it is often better, than trying to fiddle with a messed up API, that does not work as it is supposed to. Also something to note is that many of the M$ API's are not very well documentened either, and sometimes it is just hard to get there documentation too.
I guess this makes having a Linux PPC system at home more attractive these days. We all know that windows is prone to cracking and this is just more proof that they know nothing at all about security. *nix on the other hand has been handline security a little better. Don't get me wrong, any system can be cracked, but it seems like a trend to crack Microsoft systems these days. we are always hearing about there security problmes, and they seem to have so many. The wolrd is just not ready for network pc's. Maybe in a LAN yes, but not in a home, where everythign is on the server. Hell I am debating weather or not to write my own encryption program, and then send the keys to people I want to decrypt the mail.
I'd say that this is almost art. The colors that were used were rather neat looking almost like a spirograph, kind of output.
I'd have to agree, but I think that is what the LSB is trying to get a grip on. After all Linux does have 3 different packaging schemes, deb, rpm, and tgz. There are people who hate some of the different distros of Linux, just because of how they do thing different than they think should be done. And yes there are certian stability issues in Linux. Certain kernel version are not good, while others are. Linux is more pickey IMHO. If it is configured properly it will work for a long period of time with no problem. If it is not, you eventually run into problems.
I have FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, at home, as well as Solaris, and Linux (Redhat & TL and have tried others) and NT. They are just operating systems. Which one you choose should depend mainly on your needs, not what is cool or not. Why do I have so many *NIX variants? cause I like *NIX.
I personally wish that more feature that are in Linux made there way to other *NIX vairants to make them more user friendly. Color ls is on of the main ones, it makes life easier.
There is room for all the OSes.. IMHO...
I'd have to agree.. I have both thou.. and NT and Solaris, on my home pc, so I need them to get along :-)
Unfortuanately, the company network is the companies property and it is the companies email. At least in the US AFAIK. Yes it is an invasion of privacy to your users IMHO, but it is the company lan, and is for business purposes. I believe there was a company (I wont say the name but they are a consulting company) that got sued because its employees were found to be discussing the project in there emails, and they had nothing good to say, they were telling all the problem to outisdes, an dkeping the client in the dark. There email was used in court trials, in the US. Look at the Microsoft trial, the email has been used in court. Internal Microsoft email I believe. This is done all the time in the US, it is often downplayed thou.
Yes, this sucks!
However it is not a sysadmins job to scan and read email. It is your job to set up some utilities to send email with certain words in them to you, or an appropriate person. This is ofcource if the company requests it.
Personally, the company that I work for found this to be an incrediable waste of resources. We have 7 buildings in my home area, and a global network. There are just to many emails traveling thru our networks to track it all, and it would be a full time job searching thru email. They tried, and now it is just if you walk up to someones machine and they have porn on the screen then they get busted.
Yes it can be done, but as I said it is an incredable waste of resources. You should inform the human resource people that you do not have the time to search thru email, and that if they insist that you do this that they increase your pay as it will increase the amount of work that you do. Or just tell them you'd quit.
Sysadmin jobs are a dime a dozon, while sys admins are not. Just look in the papers today, there are plenty of jobs in most major cities in the US, and for someone with experience, you can leave the company and not have to put up with that.
The source code for this is to big. The suite is over 70Megs, the source must be more. Sun tried releasing there OS Solaris for $15, and it does not seem to have caught on as they expected. I have a copy, but am much happier in Linux, as it is just more user friendly from the start. This is just there attempt at combatting Microsoft, and most Linux users see this, I tihkn. Just my opinion, thou.
I'l just use jpegs, and java for animations.. screw the gifs, if they are going to be that way about it. Everyone else is open sourcing in some way or another, they need to let this patent expire, and stop paying the maintenance fee.. oh well in time it will expire and gifs will be free.. they may end up killing themsevles anyway
i think your comment about mozilla is kinda FUD,
think that all you wish. I am only stating what I have heard about the project. It is getting more actoin now, cause it is actually usable, but how many outside developers compared to inhouse developers do thay have? like percentages? I have heard that there are mostly in house development. I'd love to find out otherwise thou, so if you have other info please share it with me.
Only if you are talking of writing C code using the TK API. From a Tcl/Tk developer, Tk is not athat fast, unless you use TK-C code.
What does Alan Cox do with the spare CPU cycles on his computer? IE does he run SETI or anything else?
will there really be an effor by the open source community on star office? I think the source is just to big, especially considering download for start office is something like 36 megs. It is a good idea, but it may suffer the same fate as mozilla, where it will recieve some outside input, but not that much. Just My opinion thou. It will be nice if you find a bug, , but will you want to debug it? How long will it take to compile?