warning warning danger will robinson!!!!
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Kernel 2.2.12
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If you have 2.2.11 and have applied the tcp/ip patch to it then you may not want to upgrade to 2.2.12 using a patch on that tcp-patched 2.2.11. I did and it did not compile correctly and 2 of the hunks failed. The tcp/ip fixes to ipv4 and ipv6 in 2.2.12 are different slightly than those of the 2.2.11-tcp-patch. My suggestion is to either use a fresh 2.2.12, or to use a 2.2.11 that was not patched. Yes you can just remove those files from the patch, but do you really want to do that?
I have had problems with previous kernles, so I am upgrading in hopes that they are fixed. There are also some tcp/ip fixes that are in 2.2.12 that area slightly different from the 2.2.11 patch, that hopefully will be better. 2.2.11 was up for 1.5 days when the machine froze, then I got the patch and was up for 2 days, then started testing various kernels for other things. I now have been up 10:48 houre:minutes
I was using SP3 and when I installed a driver for my webcam the system rebooted and gave me a blue screen. Installing a driver should not do that. I believe you are supposed to remove the service pack, then install the driver and then reinstall the service pack? but that seems like a lot of work to install a peice of hardware. I hope that W2K is not like that with service packs. Of course I am not touching w2k unless someone pays me too, or I get a copy for free (like that's going to happen)
I am actually running both NT and Linux currently on my DUAL Intel box. However I have recently started running NT in a vmware session under Linux, and the vmware session takes lots of system resources, in particular CPU. One of My DUAL CPU's is always at about 95% (they sway the task back and forth) when running this so I am looking at gettin ga more powerful machine. Thus the Athelon. If they have quads at a reasonable price, I may get a quad 600.
Eventually I am going to have FreeBSD and Solaris in vmware, and may at times want to run several virtual machines at once. Each OS has it's +/-.
Vmware however is more than emulation it is actually a computer within a computer. The guest OS uses its own drivers, for the most part. For example when I did NT dial up networking in the vmware session Linux ppp module was never loaded and Linux did not have access to the internet, yet NT did, and NT was the guest OS. This is good, cause it means that I can use NT drivers or Linux drivers without ever haveing to reboot the parent OS. When they improve there sound and add bidirectional parallel port interface, I'll be able to use my web cam without rebooting. Until support for my device makes its way into the kernel fully. I am estatic(sp?) about vmware. I will be buying it next month. This allows me to run al those win apps, without having to boot back and forth between window and Linux. Truthefull, the main thing I like about my Linux box is my X setup. Window maker I like the look of the windows, and the config tool, kfm, makes browsing dir's easy, and gnomepanel, I like the pager and the clock. I just can't get this look and feel in NT.
It looks like they are heading on the out. I think that they just pissed off one to many companies, and now these compaines are seeing Linux as a way to circumvent Microsoft.
Rather than rewrite their OS, they can use Linux on there hardware. (Linux runs on Mac, Alphas, INtel, Sparc, etc. It make more sense to have one operating system that runs on many cpu's than many operating systems that run on many cpu's.
This is sort of the Java thinking. Java runs on may Operating Systems, but it is a layer above the Operating System. This makes porting form one cpu to another easier.
Most Linux software on Linux/Intel will run on Linux/Alpha, with just a recompile, or on Linux PPC. And it will run faster than Java, unless you compile Java to OS native code.
How will Linux eventually affect Java development? In 5 years some Linux hybred OS may be the new OS. But a hybred of Linux and what? (so far SGI is adding to the Linux melting pot).
I'll wait till the pee dries
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Kernels Galore
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I have heard that the mirrors are full. No wonder 2.2.12 should fix a few bugs. I'l look for the change log to appear, then wait to get it if I need it. So far 2.2.11 is working okay. Now if I can only get some of my other apps to behave as well.
I thought that SGI was dumping ther IRIX for Linux? Why are they going to make flash for them now? I think it is cool that there will be flash for Linux, and it will be free. but will it be another one of those partally free things again, like the crypiled Wordperfect8 I have?
Microsoft it pretty much killing themselves. I installed vmware for Linux the other day. So what did I use it for? To install NT.
After installing NT I went to www.msn.com to upgrade there IE browser. Only IE 2.0 does not understand asp pages. So I could not access most of there site. I then went to www.microsoft.com to try that route only to get messages that www.microsoft.com does not exist, and that I do not ahve access to that URL.
So how do they plan on allowing someone with NT 4.0 and IE 2.0 to upgrade? YOu must get service pack 3 for NT then you can get IE 5.0, but you cannot get service pack 3, cause you cannot access there site that easily. They really know how to f*** up a wet dream don't they?
I really wish the Microsoft had never gotton into the OS business. I think that they should have stayed in the Applications market and left the software industry to others. Yes they have made some great inovations. Who can forget those lovely Crashes in Win 3.1, and GPF's?
this may be good for vmware. Imagine being able to tell vmware that each OS has 2 processors, and then running win NT and Solaris on top of Linux. 2 procesors for sun 2 for NT and the rest for Linux:-). Ahh to be able to surf the web, use the webcam, and have other OS'es working for you in the background:-) oh the power if nothing else just to have that kind of computing power at home.:-) drool
noone listens to me it takes ESR before they listen.. maybe I need to feed him my thoughts.... there will be less UNIX versions next year. True64 will probably become part of Linux, as it is moving that way, and IRIX is already planned to go that way. In order to defeat M$ this must happen. Over the next few years there will probably only emerge 1 or 2 unix or UNIX like versions probabaly comprising Linux code in it. It may or may not be linux, but it will contain much of the kernel code, and many of the OS parts. I imagine it will contain a much improved Java parts too. Possibly some sort of Java-Linux-Unix mix. where the OS runs on most hardware (Linux) and the apps run on most OSes (Java).
I just downloaded vmware yesterday, and they do not support midi sound yet. It will probably run the application, but you will not be able to use an external midi device. This may mean that you may not be able to use sound unless you save it as a wave or au file. I'd recommend that either you use Rosegardsn for your music composition, or you try wine. If neither of those satisfy your needs you'll probably need to have an actual windows machine to use it, which may mean a DUAL boot or a seperate machine.
At my current job one of the things that I used to do and still do on occasion is bug fixing. With RH making more money they should be able to pay more to do bug fixes. So fixing a bug is not glamourous. At least you have the source to do it, unlike Microsoft. I recently fixed a bug in the kernel. It was a silly little annoying message that I just changed. I didnot get paid, no thanks, nothing. I still did it cause I could. I saw what the problem was so I fixed it. I am sure others still will. It is not the money that is Microsofts problem, it is that they are not open source or freeer with there licensing. If I find a bug in Microsoft, it may never get fixed. Or they send out a service pack, which is not installed just right can cause the blue screen of death (been there done that reinstalled true story). I just wish I had the money when I recieved the letter that is all.
once I get ride of this mouse bug yes
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Is X The Future?
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I and several other are having mouse problems. Althought they seem to be kernel related, they only happen when I am in X. If they go away, I will have a nice machine that will be up and running X all the time. If not I amy have to switch to another OS, like Solaris or Free BSD.
I did not exactly say what was printed but it is close. Must be the editor. Tis ok.
Although I do not use SuSE it is always interesting to see what they are doing . I have tried them, and was disappointed that they have an evaluation version which differs from what is at there ftp site. In fact that turned me off from them right there. If it is at there ftp site, they should allow you to burn images of from ftp to cd IMHO. SuSE has a little list of what can be included for companies like linuxmall and linuxcentral. Thus for those of us who do not have large bandwidth connections (read 28.8 like me) getting a cdrom is always better but in this case does not include all of what is at there ftp site. Yes I could buy official distro, but then I also know that later this year they will probably have another distro out and spending $100 a year is no fun.
Redhat at least lets companies download what is at there ftp site and burn to cdrom, and that is also how Mandrake came about.
Yes SuSE is a bit easier to install than RH, but not that much.
I have tried both SUSE and RH and will stick with Redhat for now until SUSE lightens up there ftp cdrom burning practices.
so don't bash RH cause you don't like them, as they do contribute back to the community, more so than SUSE.
Most of the open source has man pages, info on a web site, a README, and then the source code. Being someone who has developed a few products both corporate and open source, design documents are not always done first. Sometimes the application comes first and then the design.
In the open source apps I have developed, there were 'idea' documents. Basically a few sheets of paper that had what I wanted it to do, and what I wanted it to look like on it. Other than that there was nothing that I'd call an actual document.
In the workplace however there have been cases where there have been design documents, and there have not been. In the case that there is a design, it always seems to be a changing design. Either the system cannot do what the design says, or after an initial implementation the design is changed. Sometimes the design document is done as the code is written. This is a working design.
On a few occasions there was no design. My notes on a whiteboard, and the the code. The white board gets errased, and so does the design.
This is not to say that designes are useless, they are good to have, and theu do make writing programs easier, if they are well thought out.
The thing to remember is that just because you have a design does not mean that you should stick to the design like it was carved in stone. The design should be flexable and changeing, until the applicatin is complete. Also a good design makes redesigning a system later a bit easier. You may write it in Java this year, but in 2 years there may be a new language. You will want your design in those 2 or 3 years, especially if your application does Financial Calculations, like an account package.
In the system I am currently working on, we do not have the design documents, so we are looking at the code and reverse engineering it. It does ledger updates, and number tables updates. There are literally thousands of programs that make up this system. It is a real pain. Right aboutnow I wish I had the designes from 20 years ago.
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I'll be converting all my gifs right now.
2.2.12
uptime 10:49 hours:minutes
I have had problems with previous kernles, so I am upgrading in hopes that they are fixed. There are also some tcp/ip fixes that are in 2.2.12 that area slightly different from the 2.2.11 patch, that hopefully will be better. 2.2.11 was up for 1.5 days when the machine froze, then I got the patch and was up for 2 days, then started testing various kernels for other things. I now have been up 10:48 houre:minutes
I was using SP3 and when I installed a driver for my webcam the system rebooted and gave me a blue screen. Installing a driver should not do that. I believe you are supposed to remove the service pack, then install the driver and then reinstall the service pack? but that seems like a lot of work to install a peice of hardware. I hope that W2K is not like that with service packs. Of course I am not touching w2k unless someone pays me too, or I get a copy for free (like that's going to happen)
I am actually running both NT and Linux currently on my DUAL Intel box. However I have recently started running NT in a vmware session under Linux, and the vmware session takes lots of system resources, in particular CPU. One of My DUAL CPU's is always at about 95% (they sway the task back and forth) when running this so I am looking at gettin ga more powerful machine. Thus the Athelon. If they have quads at a reasonable price, I may get a quad 600.
Eventually I am going to have FreeBSD and Solaris in vmware, and may at times want to run several virtual machines at once. Each OS has it's +/-.
Vmware however is more than emulation it is actually a computer within a computer. The guest OS uses its own drivers, for the most part. For example when I did NT dial up networking in the vmware session Linux ppp module was never loaded and Linux did not have access to the internet, yet NT did, and NT was the guest OS. This is good, cause it means that I can use NT drivers or Linux drivers without ever haveing to reboot the parent OS. When they improve there sound and add bidirectional parallel port interface, I'll be able to use my web cam without rebooting. Until support for my device makes its way into the kernel fully. I am estatic(sp?) about vmware. I will be buying it next month. This allows me to run al those win apps, without having to boot back and forth between window and Linux. Truthefull, the main thing I like about my Linux box is my X setup. Window maker I like the look of the windows, and the config tool, kfm, makes browsing dir's easy, and gnomepanel, I like the pager and the clock. I just can't get this look and feel in NT.
life.. I've created silicon based life.. oh no those are implants
It looks like they are heading on the out. I think that they just pissed off one to many companies, and now these compaines are seeing Linux as a way to circumvent Microsoft.
Rather than rewrite their OS, they can use Linux on there hardware. (Linux runs on Mac, Alphas, INtel, Sparc, etc. It make more sense to have one operating system that runs on many cpu's than many operating systems that run on many cpu's.
Most Linux software on Linux/Intel will run on Linux/Alpha, with just a recompile, or on Linux PPC. And it will run faster than Java, unless you compile Java to OS native code.
How will Linux eventually affect Java development? In 5 years some Linux hybred OS may be the new OS. But a hybred of Linux and what? (so far SGI is adding to the Linux melting pot).
I have heard that the mirrors are full. No wonder 2.2.12 should fix a few bugs. I'l look for the change log to appear, then wait to get it if I need it. So far 2.2.11 is working okay. Now if I can only get some of my other apps to behave as well.
I think you can get Linux to run on them thou. I had read that somewhere ....
what the F*** is that blue screen I got this weekend that made me reinstall it? (NT4.0).
It does crash, and I'd really rather not have a lot of fancy new features I'll never use. I'd rather have bug fixes, and less crashes.
I thought that SGI was dumping ther IRIX for Linux? Why are they going to make flash for them now? I think it is cool that there will be flash for Linux, and it will be free. but will it be another one of those partally free things again, like the crypiled Wordperfect8 I have?
Microsoft it pretty much killing themselves. I installed vmware for Linux the other day. So what did I use it for? To install NT.
After installing NT I went to www.msn.com to upgrade there IE browser. Only IE 2.0 does not understand asp pages. So I could not access most of there site. I then went to www.microsoft.com to try that route only to get messages that www.microsoft.com does not exist, and that I do not ahve access to that URL.
So how do they plan on allowing someone with NT 4.0 and IE 2.0 to upgrade? YOu must get service pack 3 for NT then you can get IE 5.0, but you cannot get service pack 3, cause you cannot access there site that easily. They really know how to f*** up a wet dream don't they?
I really wish the Microsoft had never gotton into the OS business. I think that they should have stayed in the Applications market and left the software industry to others. Yes they have made some great inovations. Who can forget those lovely Crashes in Win 3.1, and GPF's?
this may be good for vmware. Imagine being able to tell vmware that each OS has 2 processors, and then running win NT and Solaris on top of Linux. 2 procesors for sun 2 for NT and the rest for Linux :-). Ahh to be able to surf the web, use the webcam, and have other OS'es working for you in the background :-) oh the power if nothing else just to have that kind of computing power at home. :-) drool
noone listens to me it takes ESR before they listen.. maybe I need to feed him my thoughts .... there will be less UNIX versions next year. True64 will probably become part of Linux, as it is moving that way, and IRIX is already planned to go that way. In order to defeat M$ this must happen. Over the next few years there will probably only emerge 1 or 2 unix or UNIX like versions probabaly comprising Linux code in it. It may or may not be linux, but it will contain much of the kernel code, and many of the OS parts. I imagine it will contain a much improved Java parts too. Possibly some sort of Java-Linux-Unix mix. where the OS runs on most hardware (Linux) and the apps run on most OSes (Java).
I just downloaded vmware yesterday, and they do not support midi sound yet. It will probably run the application, but you will not be able to use an external midi device. This may mean that you may not be able to use sound unless you save it as a wave or au file. I'd recommend that either you use Rosegardsn for your music composition, or you try wine. If neither of those satisfy your needs you'll probably need to have an actual windows machine to use it, which may mean a DUAL boot or a seperate machine.
I am looking forward to the coming things for Linux in the next year and later this year. This is one of them.
At my current job one of the things that I used to do and still do on occasion is bug fixing. With RH making more money they should be able to pay more to do bug fixes. So fixing a bug is not glamourous. At least you have the source to do it, unlike Microsoft. I recently fixed a bug in the kernel. It was a silly little annoying message that I just changed. I didnot get paid, no thanks, nothing. I still did it cause I could. I saw what the problem was so I fixed it. I am sure others still will. It is not the money that is Microsofts problem, it is that they are not open source or freeer with there licensing. If I find a bug in Microsoft, it may never get fixed. Or they send out a service pack, which is not installed just right can cause the blue screen of death (been there done that reinstalled true story). I just wish I had the money when I recieved the letter that is all.
I and several other are having mouse problems. Althought they seem to be kernel related, they only happen when I am in X. If they go away, I will have a nice machine that will be up and running X all the time. If not I amy have to switch to another OS, like Solaris or Free BSD.
can I get a DUAL AMD processor system thou?
I did not exactly say what was printed but it is close. Must be the editor. Tis ok.
Although I do not use SuSE it is always interesting to see what they are doing . I have tried them, and was disappointed that they have an evaluation version which differs from what is at there ftp site. In fact that turned me off from them right there. If it is at there ftp site, they should allow you to burn images of from ftp to cd IMHO. SuSE has a little list of what can be included for companies like linuxmall and linuxcentral. Thus for those of us who do not have large bandwidth connections (read 28.8 like me) getting a cdrom is always better but in this case does not include all of what is at there ftp site. Yes I could buy official distro, but then I also know that later this year they will probably have another distro out and spending $100 a year is no fun.
Redhat at least lets companies download what is at there ftp site and burn to cdrom, and that is also how Mandrake came about.
Yes SuSE is a bit easier to install than RH, but not that much.
I have tried both SUSE and RH and will stick with Redhat for now until SUSE lightens up there ftp cdrom burning practices.
so don't bash RH cause you don't like them, as they do contribute back to the community, more so than SUSE.
I have an old 486, what can I do with it thou?
AOL was the same way as IBM, they were open sourcing the same as IBM. THe problems is that as soon as it does not benifit them anymore they dump it.
I should have bought earlier when I recieved the letter.. I just wish I had the money to spend then
I want to see th epretty pictures of all this stuff where the screamshots???? after all a picture is worth 1000 words..
Most of the open source has man pages, info on a web site, a README, and then the source code. Being someone who has developed a few products both corporate and open source, design documents are not always done first. Sometimes the application comes first and then the design.
In the open source apps I have developed, there were 'idea' documents. Basically a few sheets of paper that had what I wanted it to do, and what I wanted it to look like on it. Other than that there was nothing that I'd call an actual document.
In the workplace however there have been cases where there have been design documents, and there have not been. In the case that there is a design, it always seems to be a changing design. Either the system cannot do what the design says, or after an initial implementation the design is changed. Sometimes the design document is done as the code is written. This is a working design.
On a few occasions there was no design. My notes on a whiteboard, and the the code. The white board gets errased, and so does the design.
This is not to say that designes are useless, they are good to have, and theu do make writing programs easier, if they are well thought out.
The thing to remember is that just because you have a design does not mean that you should stick to the design like it was carved in stone. The design should be flexable and changeing, until the applicatin is complete. Also a good design makes redesigning a system later a bit easier. You may write it in Java this year, but in 2 years there may be a new language. You will want your design in those 2 or 3 years, especially if your application does Financial Calculations, like an account package.
In the system I am currently working on, we do not have the design documents, so we are looking at the code and reverse engineering it. It does ledger updates, and number tables updates. There are literally thousands of programs that make up this system. It is a real pain. Right aboutnow I wish I had the designes from 20 years ago.