Re:Why are we hiding from the police, daddy?
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ah, I can only do 10 white keys. but I never correlated my affinity for using Vim with my piano skillz... I'd think it's more suitable for Emacs, where you're suppose to do "chords" like M-x-fancy-kung-fu C-f-G.:)
Re:Why are we hiding from the police, daddy?
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For a programmer, who spends 7.5 hours a work day using a text editor, it's probably worth it to use the most effective editor, even if it takes a couple of months to get to speed on the tool. (Note: most people learn enough vi to get by in a couple of days.)
Re:Why are we hiding from the police, daddy?
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I'd disagree with you about the user friendlyness of vim. I think Vim is one of the most user friendly editors out there. It's highly ergonomic, and easy to use. BUT!! It is not easy to learn.
That's right. Easy to use, and Easy to learn are two different things. Easy to use means that one can accomplish a task with minimal effort. Easy to learn means just that, easy to learn. The two are not necessary mutually exclusive, but I have yet to see a text editor that has both.
Modern UI designers have fallen into the tar pit of designing ONLY for new users, so that tasks can be performed easily by new users, but becomes difficult to use for the power user. In that sense, most modern IDE's are easy to learn, but hard to use.
In my opinion, I'd rather spend a few days learning to use a tool that will increase my long term productivity.
I started using Emacs in 2nd year university, but switched to Vim after realizing that I don't want to learn elisp.:) I also think I'm too old to change now, I'm 25.;-)
Re:Wishes for the next VIM and why use Vim
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Vim has support for split screen editing for years. And vertical split screen is supported since Version 6.
Re:I just want to say thanks.
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then you lose all the goodies such as background compilation, and direct integration with eclipse... speaking as a pro-ant/anti-eclipse zealot of course.:)
Vim's syntax colouring is NOT the same as Eclipse's. Vim uses some pretty simple heuristic to do syntax colouring, while Eclipse has a built in parsing for the actual language you are using, and continuously parse what you are coding.
BTW: I'm a vi user, and I don't need my editor to semantically understand my code. I can see it now, "What are you coding Dave? I'm afriad I can't let you do pointer arithemtics..."
I'm sorry if I was a little strong, but I wince when people started saying that somehow languages can be "safe" or "unsafe". It sounds dumb.
I like Java. I use it at work all the time. It's easy to use and allows me to be productive. But I would not go so far as to call it "safe". It's just a dumb thing to say. It over simplify the security situation, and gives you a false sense of security.
Fact: we are living on this planet Fact: this planet is warming Fact: weather patterns will change Fact: we better damn well do something about it. Fact: whether we are the ones who are causing the change is irrelevant.
vi is way ahead of its time in this regard. If Firefox was vi, I'll put a mark into the buffer by "ma", then I go to whereever I want to in the page. When I want to return to my original marked position, I do "'a". Easy as pie, no?
vi is extremely easy to use, but difficult to learn. I think modern UI'ist is putting "easy to learn" at the expense of "easy to use". Ideally we would want to do both, but if I had to choose one, I'd choose "easy to use" anyday.
I learnt in a recent marketing class, that PR departments from various companies push stock product fact sheets, brochures, and sample products to journalists/reviewers.
So it's even worse than you implied. The so-called journalists simply choose from the material available, fact check them, and rephrase the promotional material.
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ah, I can only do 10 white keys. but I never correlated my affinity for using Vim with my piano skillz ... I'd think it's more suitable for Emacs, where you're suppose to do "chords" like M-x-fancy-kung-fu C-f-G. :)
For a programmer, who spends 7.5 hours a work day using a text editor, it's probably worth it to use the most effective editor, even if it takes a couple of months to get to speed on the tool. (Note: most people learn enough vi to get by in a couple of days.)
I'd disagree with you about the user friendlyness of vim. I think Vim is one of the most user friendly editors out there. It's highly ergonomic, and easy to use. BUT!! It is not easy to learn.
That's right. Easy to use, and Easy to learn are two different things. Easy to use means that one can accomplish a task with minimal effort. Easy to learn means just that, easy to learn. The two are not necessary mutually exclusive, but I have yet to see a text editor that has both.
Modern UI designers have fallen into the tar pit of designing ONLY for new users, so that tasks can be performed easily by new users, but becomes difficult to use for the power user. In that sense, most modern IDE's are easy to learn, but hard to use.
In my opinion, I'd rather spend a few days learning to use a tool that will increase my long term productivity.
I started using Emacs in 2nd year university, but switched to Vim after realizing that I don't want to learn elisp. :) I also think I'm too old to change now, I'm 25. ;-)
Vim has support for split screen editing for years. And vertical split screen is supported since Version 6.
Vim is charity-ware, please donate.
http://iccf-holland.org/index.html
careful... who knows what kinds of metal or other toxic material could be in those chips. You sure you want to be touching it regularly?
One can sail on solar wind.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_sail
Do you check printf calls as well?
No? You're fired.
Yes? You're a freak.
Good day.
another trick is to keep a high pressure inside the case.
then you lose all the goodies such as background compilation, and direct integration with eclipse ... speaking as a pro-ant/anti-eclipse zealot of course. :)
This image on the main gmail page says it's beta ...
https://mail.google.com/mail/help/images/logo.gif
In my experience, we hate one another pretty evenly. But my slashdot id is 6 digits, yours is only 4 ... so I humbly bow to you on this one. :)
PS: Started with Turbo Pascal 7.0 -> Emacs -> Vim.
Escape :)
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Vim's syntax colouring is NOT the same as Eclipse's. Vim uses some pretty simple heuristic to do syntax colouring, while Eclipse has a built in parsing for the actual language you are using, and continuously parse what you are coding.
BTW: I'm a vi user, and I don't need my editor to semantically understand my code. I can see it now, "What are you coding Dave? I'm afriad I can't let you do pointer arithemtics..."
A lot of times, it's not about what you *can* or *cannot* do. It's about what can be done easily, and effectively.
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PS: I'm a vi user.
I'm sorry if I was a little strong, but I wince when people started saying that somehow languages can be "safe" or "unsafe". It sounds dumb.
:)
I like Java. I use it at work all the time. It's easy to use and allows me to be productive. But I would not go so far as to call it "safe". It's just a dumb thing to say. It over simplify the security situation, and gives you a false sense of security.
Dumbass.
Most JVM's are written in unsafe languages, you dumbass.
False Dilemma.
Fact: we are living on this planet
Fact: this planet is warming
Fact: weather patterns will change
Fact: we better damn well do something about it.
Fact: whether we are the ones who are causing the change is irrelevant.
vi is way ahead of its time in this regard. If Firefox was vi, I'll put a mark into the buffer by "ma", then I go to whereever I want to in the page. When I want to return to my original marked position, I do "'a". Easy as pie, no?
vi is extremely easy to use, but difficult to learn. I think modern UI'ist is putting "easy to learn" at the expense of "easy to use". Ideally we would want to do both, but if I had to choose one, I'd choose "easy to use" anyday.
Konqueror has that behaviour, but since I first used FF, I find Konqueror to be the weird one. hmm.
The way I see it, China and Russia will not look kindly toward smoking nuclear craters in its backyard. So it probably won't come to that. :)
I don't know how the rocket science works, but a nuke launched from the US into NK will look awful lot like a nuke coming INBOUND to China. hmm...
Hi Waterloo'er, I'm Math/CS 2003
I learnt in a recent marketing class, that PR departments from various companies push stock product fact sheets, brochures, and sample products to journalists/reviewers.
So it's even worse than you implied. The so-called journalists simply choose from the material available, fact check them, and rephrase the promotional material.
FYI: it's called False Dilemma. To falsely assume proving your wrong necessarily means proving yourself correct.