You underestimate the interest in escaping outrageous patents, patent fees and monopolies. China can set its own standards because it has enough consumers to force foreign companies to listen. Pundits saying China will isolate itself (e.g. suffer) are blowing industry smoke. What, are American corporations pulling themselves from Uncle Sam's tit long enough to cry that capitalism is unfair? Boo hoo.
Nonono, by keeping the payer's identity secret, *cough*, Microsoft doesn't have to live up to their past claims of needing to pass the cost onto consumers.
No guarantee of return on investment in New World voyages? Maybe, technically. Every voyage had clear economic hopes, from returning with raw materials, artifacts and exotic animals, to establishing trade, to discovering new trade routes. In fact, those economic hopes were the basis for attracting funding from royalty, wealthy investors, etc. What's the economic incentive in traveling to Mars? If this is a worthy project, why aren't the Bill Gates' of the world pouring money into NASA? The difference is NASA does it for science, military applications and the spirit of exploration. NASA will always be a money hole until it finds a clear way to benefit corporations.
Why do famous nerds situate their computer room in their garage? Are they too young to have a driver's license? Are they big believers in public transportation? Are they David Hasselhoff wanna-bes who stumble on an unrelated breakthrough while trying to invent a talking car? What's the story?
Nonetheless true. Flatmo's sculptures are fan favorites. I was amused to see his sculptures used in photos promoting Oregon and Corvallis in particular. I don't think they realize he's a Cal-ee-fore-yun.
The first Kinetic Sculpture Race began in 1969 in Humboldt County, California, and still rolls today. Its popularity around the world is due in large part to Glorious Founder Hobart Brown traveling the world to promote this type of race.
Duane Flatmo is hands down the king of kinetic sculpture makers. View a number of his creations at his web site. You may have seen Flatmo creations at other KSR races around the United States.
If you don't want to use a blackhole list, change ISPs. Good ol' supply and demand rules the day. If people lose legitimate e-mails and are truly bothered, the ISP will die or drop the blackhole list. The Truth is, people see the benefit. If you know someone in Spain (or conceivably might need to receive mail from Spain), you'll have learned to ask about blackhole lists before signing up for service.
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one.
You got us mixed up several times in your retelling of the story. And you got it all wrong. I never said all filters are worthless. His claim is that Google's filter could be 100% effective because all things, in theory, are possible. Wow, what an argument! That's blind Google love. Rather silly.
Sure, I'll remind you of what you wrote earlier today.
You said: "Just because you haven't found a filter for you doesn't mean it's not possible."
You used that statement to refute my statement: "No spam filter is worth a hill of beans if it doesn't have a challenge/response system."
Your argument essentially boils down to "a fool-proof spam filter is possible because anything is possible." Is that your argument? You're such a troll. I've wasted enough time on you.
However, web mail is inherently slower than a local mail client, even with broadband. I simply wouldn't want to permanently store all of my mail on a remote server, regardless of the interface. In addition to speed, I'm also concerned about security, access when my broadband connection drops, and future limitations a publicly-held Google may place on my account, etc.
The 1GB figure is just distraction. I've used the same mail client for 8 years, and only have perhaps 500MB of files. I've never touched messages older than 16 months, so could safely delete most of that storage. For me, Google touting "1 gigabyte of storage" is like AOL telling me "1,600 free hours!" Who cares? Not me.
It's not semantics. If you can't follow an argument, throwing more words at it won't help your position.
It is widely known that when a company goes public it gives up independence. The fact that shareholders expect profit is a side issue you're using for distraction. The issue is a company giving up control. When I say "evil," substitute the word "stupid." Anyone who has worked at a sinking company that is doing stupid things to gain shareholders knows what I'm talking about.
If, per your example, Google only sells 1% of its company, yeah, I suppose you're right. Let's see that happen. Are you a betting man, or have you just never purchased stock before?
1) My mail client's existing search works fine.
2) My mail client already does threaded view.
3) My mail client is clean and fast (and free).
4) Why is Google's spam filter any better than the rest? Oh yeah, blind faith.
5) My mail client, and web mail, is free, too.
All you bring me is hype and faith in God, er, I mean Google.
I already check the same mail accounts on three computers. My "primary" mail program is smart enough to sort it out.
I didn't say I don't use web mail. It's just obvious (to me) that Google isn't doing anything groundbreaking with web mail, and certainly nothing that anyone else couldn't copy. This seems to be a lot of dot-com hype because everyone loves Google Search, so Google Mail will surely somehow be 110% better than regular e-mail. Uh huh.
OK, let me get this straight. You are claiming a 100% fool-proof spam filter exists. Please, enlighten us all. It will be a banner headline in tomorrow's newspapers and CNN will cover it for a week. It's my opinion that a 100% effective spam filter does not exist? Try common sense.
Reread my post. I said "IPO" not "money." Being a public company means you answer to shareholders and give up a good measure of your independence. Reread that last sentence. I didn't use the word "money." This is not a new concept, and is a belief held by many people.
So what if moderators are offended by my viewpoint? Disagreement = invalid? It's an abuse of the moderation system to mod people down simply because you disagree.
Hahaha, you're being serious, aren't you? No spam filter is worth a hill of beans if it doesn't have a challenge/response system. Unless Google has made a deal with the devil. Has it? Oh wait, that pesky looming IPO...
Jealous? We're supposed to live the hype and get excited about.... web e-mail? Just because it's provided by Google?
So far the only perk I've heard is 1GB storage. My computer has that, and when my broadband goes down, I can still access my stored mail. I'm getting by fine with the <1GB storage my existing free web mail account offers.
What other perks? Ads inserted into e-mails? No thanks. I don't need that intrusion.
Microsoft is a poor example of free e-mail. M$ is swimming in money from a nearly all-powerful position. And Yahoo is evil, unless you enjoy reaffirming that you don't want to receive its marketing e-mails.
While Google is great and making a profit, it is still weak. No? They wouldn't be eyeing an IPO if they were rock solid. If you can do everything you want with the money you have, you have no reason to become a public company that answers to shareholders.
what if their idea is to get you hooked so you wont ever want to give it up, >then start charging a fee for it?
Duh. When Google has its IPO it officially becomes evil. Very few corporations adhere to their founding values when they must answer to shareholders. Google should just remain private. After you have 5 to 10 or 20 megs of e-mail stored on Google servers, are you just going to get up and walk away if/when they decide to bill you?
If you truly enjoy designing web sites, you shouldn't be feeling stress, unless your work environment sucks. Move to a better employer, or come to terms with how you really want to be spending your time.
I did web work for 7 years. When my coworker-friends left the company, I realized that A) my employer sucked and B) I would more enjoy doing what I was originally trained for with my college degree. I cut my income in half, but I'm happy with no regrets.
Your logic is faulty. Why would we purchase anything other than episodes 4 through 6? And even to do that, one must stomach the Cult of Lucas and all it has come to represent.
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You underestimate the interest in escaping outrageous patents, patent fees and monopolies. China can set its own standards because it has enough consumers to force foreign companies to listen. Pundits saying China will isolate itself (e.g. suffer) are blowing industry smoke. What, are American corporations pulling themselves from Uncle Sam's tit long enough to cry that capitalism is unfair? Boo hoo.
Thanks for telling us about the link without providing the link. Do-it-yourself ringtone software encroaching on potential profits, some record labels say.
Nonono, by keeping the payer's identity secret, *cough*, Microsoft doesn't have to live up to their past claims of needing to pass the cost onto consumers.
No guarantee of return on investment in New World voyages? Maybe, technically. Every voyage had clear economic hopes, from returning with raw materials, artifacts and exotic animals, to establishing trade, to discovering new trade routes. In fact, those economic hopes were the basis for attracting funding from royalty, wealthy investors, etc. What's the economic incentive in traveling to Mars? If this is a worthy project, why aren't the Bill Gates' of the world pouring money into NASA? The difference is NASA does it for science, military applications and the spirit of exploration. NASA will always be a money hole until it finds a clear way to benefit corporations.
Why do famous nerds situate their computer room in their garage? Are they too young to have a driver's license? Are they big believers in public transportation? Are they David Hasselhoff wanna-bes who stumble on an unrelated breakthrough while trying to invent a talking car? What's the story?
Nonetheless true. Flatmo's sculptures are fan favorites. I was amused to see his sculptures used in photos promoting Oregon and Corvallis in particular. I don't think they realize he's a Cal-ee-fore-yun.
Duane Flatmo is hands down the king of kinetic sculpture makers. View a number of his creations at his web site. You may have seen Flatmo creations at other KSR races around the United States.
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one.
You got us mixed up several times in your retelling of the story. And you got it all wrong. I never said all filters are worthless. His claim is that Google's filter could be 100% effective because all things, in theory, are possible. Wow, what an argument! That's blind Google love. Rather silly.
You said: "Just because you haven't found a filter for you doesn't mean it's not possible."
You used that statement to refute my statement: "No spam filter is worth a hill of beans if it doesn't have a challenge/response system."
Your argument essentially boils down to "a fool-proof spam filter is possible because anything is possible." Is that your argument? You're such a troll. I've wasted enough time on you.
The 1GB figure is just distraction. I've used the same mail client for 8 years, and only have perhaps 500MB of files. I've never touched messages older than 16 months, so could safely delete most of that storage. For me, Google touting "1 gigabyte of storage" is like AOL telling me "1,600 free hours!" Who cares? Not me.
Yeah, and it's possible monkeys could fly out of my butt. Scoff, but it is possible. Anything is possible. What kind of reasoned argument is that?
It is widely known that when a company goes public it gives up independence. The fact that shareholders expect profit is a side issue you're using for distraction. The issue is a company giving up control. When I say "evil," substitute the word "stupid." Anyone who has worked at a sinking company that is doing stupid things to gain shareholders knows what I'm talking about.
If, per your example, Google only sells 1% of its company, yeah, I suppose you're right. Let's see that happen. Are you a betting man, or have you just never purchased stock before?
2) My mail client already does threaded view.
3) My mail client is clean and fast (and free).
4) Why is Google's spam filter any better than the rest? Oh yeah, blind faith.
5) My mail client, and web mail, is free, too.
All you bring me is hype and faith in God, er, I mean Google.
I didn't say I don't use web mail. It's just obvious (to me) that Google isn't doing anything groundbreaking with web mail, and certainly nothing that anyone else couldn't copy. This seems to be a lot of dot-com hype because everyone loves Google Search, so Google Mail will surely somehow be 110% better than regular e-mail. Uh huh.
OK, let me get this straight. You are claiming a 100% fool-proof spam filter exists. Please, enlighten us all. It will be a banner headline in tomorrow's newspapers and CNN will cover it for a week. It's my opinion that a 100% effective spam filter does not exist? Try common sense.
So what if moderators are offended by my viewpoint? Disagreement = invalid? It's an abuse of the moderation system to mod people down simply because you disagree.
Hahaha, you're being serious, aren't you? No spam filter is worth a hill of beans if it doesn't have a challenge/response system. Unless Google has made a deal with the devil. Has it? Oh wait, that pesky looming IPO...
So far the only perk I've heard is 1GB storage. My computer has that, and when my broadband goes down, I can still access my stored mail. I'm getting by fine with the <1GB storage my existing free web mail account offers.
What other perks? Ads inserted into e-mails? No thanks. I don't need that intrusion.
While Google is great and making a profit, it is still weak. No? They wouldn't be eyeing an IPO if they were rock solid. If you can do everything you want with the money you have, you have no reason to become a public company that answers to shareholders.
>then start charging a fee for it?
Duh. When Google has its IPO it officially becomes evil. Very few corporations adhere to their founding values when they must answer to shareholders. Google should just remain private. After you have 5 to 10 or 20 megs of e-mail stored on Google servers, are you just going to get up and walk away if/when they decide to bill you?
Gmail really hits the Gspot. All you virgins can just look confused and mod me down.
So Google is going to show me penis enlargement and nude cheerleader search links every time I receive spam?
I did web work for 7 years. When my coworker-friends left the company, I realized that A) my employer sucked and B) I would more enjoy doing what I was originally trained for with my college degree. I cut my income in half, but I'm happy with no regrets.
Your logic is faulty. Why would we purchase anything other than episodes 4 through 6? And even to do that, one must stomach the Cult of Lucas and all it has come to represent.