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The Man Who (Really) Makes Google Tick

An anonymous reader writes "Like his friends Sergey Brin and Larry Page, Craig Silverstein abandoned his PhD studies at Stanford to become employee No.1 and technology director at Google. While building the search engine in a garage, never in his wildest dreams did he think Google would become what it is today. Not only is it the envy of software giant Microsoft, Google continues to redefine the technology market with its creativity and tenacity. In this in-depth interview, Silverstein discusses a wide range of issues including the backlash against Gmail among privacy advocates, the company's cultural changes and its shifting reliance on PageRank."

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  1. If you want to know more... by AnonymousDivinity · · Score: 4, Funny

    If you want to know more about this guy, just google him :)

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    1. Re:If you want to know more... by BlindSpy · · Score: 1

      What was this "backlash" against Gmail? The privacy issue?

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    2. Re:If you want to know more... by Talez · · Score: 3, Funny

      Indeed. I googled and I found out he was a liar and a theif!

      In fact its pigeons that make google tick!

    3. Re:If you want to know more... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Indeed. I googled and I found out he was a liar and a theif!
      really, what google are you using?
      I googled and the first two results were a slashdot article with him answering our questions and his homepage (which makes him sound like a good guy, go figure?).

    4. Re:If you want to know more... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      You're new around here, aren't you?

    5. Re:If you want to know more... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh no, he only lied about being a thief.

    6. Re:If you want to know more... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you're the fucking idiot cliche guy around here, aren't you?

    7. Re:If you want to know more... by bobbis.u · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I found this newsgroup posting the other day, which I found pretty interesting. I wonder what the salary was, and is today.

      If I only I had applied...

    8. Re:If you want to know more... by andalay · · Score: 1

      Check out our product at
      http://google.stanford.edu

      I'm wondering how many universities would still be so nice.

    9. Re:If you want to know more... by JoeBar · · Score: 1

      I "learnt" that the guy who did this interview made up a new word.

    10. Re:If you want to know more... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it's actually a legit word but it sounds very unedumacated

  2. The problem I see with Gmail privacy by Jonathan+Pater · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Is not having all your personal information in the hands of Google. I don't feel that Google is the threat here. They've proved time after time to be an honest company. I'm more worried about some crazy new law (Patriot Act anyone?) giving the Government / Other corporations instant access to this online archive of some of our most private information.

    1. Re:The problem I see with Gmail privacy by ckswift · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Email never has and never will be a secure form a communication. Nothing is currently stopping the government from snooping on your email from other mail providers (e.g. yahoo, msn, aol). If you truly care about the privacy of your email, you really should be encrypting it.

    2. Re:The problem I see with Gmail privacy by Shakrai · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Is not having all your personal information in the hands of Google. I don't feel that Google is the threat here. They've proved time after time to be an honest company. I'm more worried about some crazy new law (Patriot Act anyone?) giving the Government / Other corporations instant access to this online archive of some of our most private information.

      You've just summed up in one short paragraph why I refuse to use webmail as anything other then a spam bucket to register on websites. Sorry, but I'd agree with the tin-foil hat people on this occasion -- I just don't like the idea of my e-mail floating out there on a Hard Drive that I don't control.

      It's not even all about the Government. What happens if you get divorced or sued and they subpoena Google for your e-mail? At least (God Forbid) if you have control over it you can dispose of it. Hell I'd worry more about this scenario then the Government -- at least the Government needs probable cause and has to prove their case against you. Quite frankly lawyers scare the hell out of me if they aren't working for me -- and even then they still scare me some.

      The only advantage to webmail is having an e-mail address that never changes. If your like me and bounce around ISPs a lot then register your own domain and get an el-cheapo webhoster that provides you with e-mail. I've been doing this for the last six years and it works out quite nicely -- I never have to change my e-mail address. More importantly I can create spam buckets at will and have control over my address and the software behind it.

      Not that any of this is going to stop me from getting a gmail account with my favorite username once it goes live. Be nice to have a big name webmail account that doesn't have a bunch of numbers in it :)

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    3. Re:The problem I see with Gmail privacy by CptSparrow · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, but the other providers aren't archiving your messages, and providing a nifty interface to search and sort them. If they want to read my mail, they're gonna have to work at least a little bit for it!

    4. Re:The problem I see with Gmail privacy by Shakrai · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Nothing is currently stopping the government from snooping on your email from other mail providers (e.g. yahoo, msn, aol)

      It's not all about the Government. If you have an archive of e-mail stored on a machine that you don't control it can be subpoenaed by lawyers in any type of suit against you. Of course they can also subpoena it if you do control it but random Hard Drive failures and accidental deletions have been known to happen... The point being that if it resides on hardware you own you have options -- with Gmail or Yahoo you have none other then to bend over and hope you deleted anything that could harm you.

      Encryption really doesn't play into this as far as I'm concerned. I'm far more worried about the divorse lawyer or the ex-employee with an axe to grind then I am about the Government. Encryption is useless if you don't have a good records-retention policy backing it up. Besides, what's to stop them from subpoenaing your private PGP key?

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    5. Re:The problem I see with Gmail privacy by xandroid · · Score: 4, Informative

      That's never gonna stop anyone who really wants to read your old mail.

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    6. Re:The problem I see with Gmail privacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'm a lawyer.

      Boo!

    7. Re:The problem I see with Gmail privacy by HoneyBunchesOfGoats · · Score: 2, Informative

      Isn't destruction of subpoenad evidence a crime?

    8. Re:The problem I see with Gmail privacy by hotroge · · Score: 2, Insightful
      The point being that if it resides on hardware you own you have options -- with Gmail or Yahoo you have none other then to bend over and hope you deleted anything that could harm you.

      Is anything ever really deleted? My guess is google would keep the email stored somewhere, but I'm not paranoid...

    9. Re:The problem I see with Gmail privacy by Shakrai · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Isn't destruction of subpoenad evidence a crime?

      Well duh. Try proving it though. If you are being sued by some jerk with an axe to grind who is only out to get rich off your insurance company would you not delete e-mails that might be helpful towards this end?

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    10. Re:The problem I see with Gmail privacy by CptSparrow · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Oh, certainly not. And like someone else has already said, if you're really that concerned, you need to be using encryption. Even at that, if the government _really_ wanted my mail, they would come to my house, take my boxen and extract the key. But at least if they have to work a little, I can feel like my tax dollars are at work.

    11. Re:The problem I see with Gmail privacy by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 3, Insightful

      >at least the Government needs probable cause

      Times have changed. Google for "Section 215" of the USAPATRIOT Act, and for the phrase "national security letter".

      GMail is great even if you're heavily into privacy: imagine storing all your mailing list traffic on it. Automatic threading, user-controlled keyword assignment, high-speed search.

    12. Re:The problem I see with Gmail privacy by freeJustin · · Score: 1

      What makes you think that if some crazy law was passed the goverment would'nt be able to look at the spools and spools of data tape that AOL, Yahoo, and Microsoft use for backing up there mail servers?

    13. Re:The problem I see with Gmail privacy by tricops · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I agree with the rest of your post, but this...

      ... with Gmail or Yahoo you have none other then to bend over and hope you deleted anything that could harm you.

      How about not emailing/doing stuff that could provide evidence/harm you in the first place?
      There may be worries for some situations, but for the majority of people... don't break any laws/talk about it in email, and there yah go - no concern.

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    14. Re:The problem I see with Gmail privacy by jlaxson · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yes, but the other providers aren't archiving your messages Google isn't archiving your messages permanently. The clause in the TOS you're referring to is only there because Google can't ensure immediate deletion. If they're backing up your gigabyte email account twice-daily, and rotating through 200 backup sets, it might take a while before every backup tape which had your message on it is purged.

      Additionally, how are Hotmail and Yahoo going to have to 'work for it' when reading your mail? Hotmail and Yahoo have the same accessibility to your messages as Google will/does.

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    15. Re:The problem I see with Gmail privacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      If you talked to a lawyer, they would tell you not to do this. If there is any trace that you deleted emails following notification of a lawsuit - any deletion at all - and especially if there is anything interesting about which emails you deleted, the other side [b]will[/b] convince the judge that you were deleting evidence, and this will toast you in court.

      In the corporate cases I was involved in, our lawyers told us to stop deleting [b]anything[/b] that could be remotely connected to the case, even where we had existing deletion after n days policies.

    16. Re:The problem I see with Gmail privacy by black+mariah · · Score: 0

      Actually, if you were really important, you'd just disappear. But you're not, so take off the tinfoil hat and join the rest of use in the Land of Those Who Don't Give a Fuck About Gmail's Privacy Shit.

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    17. Re:The problem I see with Gmail privacy by molo · · Score: 1

      Besides, what's to stop them from subpoenaing your private PGP key?

      Your PGP passphrase is used to encrypt and decrypt your private key. Keep it secret and change it occasionally. Don't write it down. Even if they force you to turn over your private key, it would take a keylogger to get your passphrase.

      -molo

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    18. Re:The problem I see with Gmail privacy by kylemonger · · Score: 1

      You might remember that Amazon.com had a good reputation in the beginning too, promising to never release the customer information of those who requested it. Later, things changed and suddenly pretty much anything was for sale (if you read the privacy statement carefully) and the opt-out provision was removed. It doesn't matter what Google says now. What matters is what they will say after they have petabytes of mail stored and someone there has a new bright idea how to "monetize" it. This guy Silverstein sounds like a good guy, but don't mistake him for the company.

    19. Re:The problem I see with Gmail privacy by ensignyu · · Score: 2

      The fact that they're purging backup tapes is pretty impressive already. Do we know that Hotmail/Yahoo do that?

    20. Re:The problem I see with Gmail privacy by meersan · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Try proving it though.

      I work for a data recovery outfit that specializes in electronic evidence, and let me assure you that we can give it a damn good try, and we know a lot more about it than you do.

      You have to really know what you're doing if you want to get rid of data permanently. Even if you're not one of those nice but dim folks who think deleting a file means it's gone.... So you end up before the judge, trying to explain away destruction of evidence, getting smacked with sanctions for spoliation of evidence, and expanding your vocabulary with wonderful new terms like consciousness of guilt. Don't be a Martha!

      In my own cynical opinion, there's basically nothing an average person can do to prevent their personal information from being seized in litigation and/or by law enforcement. Kept all your data on your own machine? They'll cart it away. Encrypted your data? They'll subpeona the password. Your lawyers have to be much better than theirs, and most people just can't afford that kind of representation. Your best chance is to try to stay below the radar.

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    21. Re:The problem I see with Gmail privacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Besides, what's to stop them from subpoenaing your private PGP key?

      A passphrasse and the fifth amendment?

    22. Re:The problem I see with Gmail privacy by hostyle · · Score: 1

      > Yes, but the other providers aren't archiving your messages

      Because they told you so? And you believe them?

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    23. Re:The problem I see with Gmail privacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean "the stupid people"?

    24. Re:The problem I see with Gmail privacy by sql*kitten · · Score: 1

      Isn't destruction of subpoenad evidence a crime?

      Only if you destroy it after you get the subpoena. Most companies have a document retention policy that states anything older than 90 days that you don't explicitly need to do your job is automatically a candidate for deleting/shredding as appropriate. If someone subpoenas it on day 91, you're in the clear.

    25. Re:The problem I see with Gmail privacy by Nadsat · · Score: 1

      Gmail is bad? The argument is clear to me, something like:

      "They talk so cute. They sound so nice. They are so smart (like me!) and their success makes me look more righteous amongst my peers. They are not a cop-out
      "So we love Google. We love them so much that everything they do is ok. We quickly dismiss any criticism. We believe that they will strike down evil!"

      And the only thing I believe in is the inevitable corruption of centralized power. However, if they distribute their power like they do their clusterd search tecnology... then maybe I'll sing along as well :)

    26. Re:The problem I see with Gmail privacy by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      You have to really know what you're doing if you want to get rid of data permanently

      Well, A) I do know what I'm doing, and B) that's beside the point. They aren't likely to have cause to seize your entire Hard Drive in a civil suit (criminal is another matter but if you read my posts that isn't what I was worried about) -- they will be able to force you to turn over e-mails and if you can honestly say that you don't have them any longer then what are they going to do? If you had a halfway decent lawyer there is no hell is hell that they will be able to claim your Hard Drive.

      Besides, for all your advanced data recovery methods, what are you going to do if I physically destroy/lose the hard drive before you can get your hands on it? Pull the data you need off my DIMM chips? If someone was being sued for a few million bucks do you really think that it would hurt them to dispose of that HD?

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    27. Re:The problem I see with Gmail privacy by andalay · · Score: 1

      Why wouldnt you just host your own mail? You can have 40 Gigs of mail storage with a dedicated box. And if you RAID it, well you'll never need to worry about losing it.

      PS: Its not hard

    28. Re:The problem I see with Gmail privacy by drooling-dog · · Score: 1
      don't break any laws/talk about it in email, and there yah go - no concern.

      Of course, that's always true because all government officials and police are honest, ethical, and interested only in the diligent and dispassionate enforcement of the law. It is simply unthinkable that the power to invade the privacy or liberty of honest citizens could ever be abused, and for this reason it is just silly to demand any "rights" at all!

      Seriously, it saddens me how often I see this naive and insipid "if you're doing nothing wrong you have nothing to fear" argument...

    29. Re:The problem I see with Gmail privacy by MasterLock · · Score: 1

      Everyone seems to forget: you don't have to use Gmail.

      You can choose whether to respond to someone who writes from Gmail, too.

    30. Re:The problem I see with Gmail privacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anyway million of crazi trust Micro$oft in privacity for mails!!!.... why not trusting Google

    31. Re:The problem I see with Gmail privacy by Manitcor · · Score: 1

      Thats common datacenter pratice. Thier SOP dicates the number of tapes in rotation and the length of that rotation period. As the tapes come back around in thier rotation the old data gets overwritten. A backup tape will likely be used about 100 times or so before it begins too loose integrity.

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    32. Re:The problem I see with Gmail privacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is also important to remember that both Yahoo and Hotmail do NOT use https, rather they use http. So does it really matter if gmail security is "bad" since we have been using bad security for quite a while anyway.....

    33. Re:The problem I see with Gmail privacy by Ice_Balrog · · Score: 1
      Besides, what's to stop them from subpoenaing your private PGP key?
      shred -f -u -z [gpg_signature]

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    34. Re:The problem I see with Gmail privacy by black+mariah · · Score: 1

      No. 'The Sane People'.

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    35. Re:The problem I see with Gmail privacy by Chr1s-Cr0ss · · Score: 1

      or you could set up a POP3 server on your computer, either one works.

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    36. Re:The problem I see with Gmail privacy by tricops · · Score: 1

      It isn't really that naive. Did I say always? You conveniently ignored where I said "There may be worries for some situations, but for the majority of people...".

      I didn't say it was impossible for them to go after you and try to get you for something from your email. I said in the majority of cases it's not an issue. How many people do you know who've had all their email/records/etc requested by a goverment/whatever agency? I've heard of it happening for companies doing shady things, but I'm personally standing at a solid "0" for your average citizen.

      So once again, if you're really paranoid, sure... go ahead and worry about it, but you'd best not bother having any type of distance correspondence at all then. If they really want to get you, with the right power they can eventually get through pretty much any type of encryption/precautions/etc (well, maybe not quantum? heh). And of course, even face-to-face contact can be eavesdropped.

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  3. Oh yeah by TechnologyX · · Score: 5, Funny

    "You have portrayed the ideal search engine as one resembling the intelligence of the Starship Enterprise.."

    My new geek idol

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    1. Re:Oh yeah by Deitheres · · Score: 1

      Just as long as it has Mabel's voice!

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    2. Re:Oh yeah by DAldredge · · Score: 5, Funny

      This is the samn damn ship that blows panels everytime it is shot, gets stolen on numerous occasions, has next to no security on any of its computer systems, allows almost anyone into the heart of the ship, and places the bridge and all the exec offices on the top of the ship?

      That enterprise?

    3. Re:Oh yeah by eingram · · Score: 1

      Majel or Mabel? If you're referring to the computer voice from the Star Trek shows, then it should be Majel (Barrett Roddenberry). I don't know who Mabel is. ;)

    4. Re:Oh yeah by autiger · · Score: 1

      I think you mean Majel.

    5. Re:Oh yeah by Deitheres · · Score: 3, Funny

      damnit. I knew something didn't look right when I was typing that. See, that's why we need star trek-ish computer systems. In a perfect world, I would have hit the submit button and heard a wonderful female voice saying "Who's MABEL?!?", at which point I would curse the creators of this computer system for creating a silicon version of my meatspace wife.

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    6. Re:Oh yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i believe the bridge is at the FRONT of the ship. So that the exec officers will be in more danger should a head-on collision occurs.

    7. Re:Oh yeah by DAldredge · · Score: 1

      It's on the top. The bridge is under that skylight.

  4. Great Results by tobechar · · Score: 5, Funny

    Because of this man's great efforts, we can google for 'failure' and be greeted with President Bush's Biography.

    Technology never ceases to amaze me. :)

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    1. Re:Great Results by KingOfBLASH · · Score: 1

      Because of this man's great efforts, we can google for 'failure' and be greeted with President Bush's Biography.

      Technology never ceases to amaze me. :)

      Dude, that's amazing.
    2. Re:Great Results by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1
    3. Re:Great Results by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jimmy Carter follows. I'd expect Nixon or someone else?

    4. Re:Great Results by ramzak2k · · Score: 1

      I like the results for 'miserable failure' better

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    5. Re:Great Results by That's+Unpossible! · · Score: 1

      Followed in 2nd and 3rd position by Jimmy Carter and Michael Moore.

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    6. Re:Great Results by vt0asta · · Score: 1

      or, "out of touch management"

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    7. Re:Great Results by beforewisdom · · Score: 1
      Because of this man's great efforts, we can google for 'failure' and be greeted with President Bush's Biography.
      You needed to look that up ?? :)

      Steve

  5. Name by Plaeroma · · Score: 4, Funny

    I've always wondered if Google will shut down once it hits a google of webpages indexed.

    1. Re:Name by Junta · · Score: 0, Informative

      What's a google? I know what a *googol* is in terms of numbers, but google is not a number...

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    2. Re:Name by achurch · · Score: 1

      Nah, they'll just rename themselves to Plex.

    3. Re:Name by CGP314 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Google is not the same as a Googol


      -Colin

    4. Re:Name by mcmonkey · · Score: 1
      "Google is not the same as Googol"

      As was covered in this past Sunday's Boston Globe, Feelin' Googly. Jan Freeman traces the life of google from 1380 to the present day. It seems more likely googol sprang from google, than other way round.

      The OED claims that google for goggle is obsolete, and refuses to commit itself on whether the variations from the dawn of the 20th century -- google-eyed (wearing glasses), googly-eyed (staring), goo-goo eyes (sappy lovers' looks) -- are revivals or new creations. But either way, they predate the googol by decades; the googly rolling peepers we associate with the "Sesame Street" crowd were familiar in America by the `20s, when the dictionary records an allusion to "movable googly eyes in hand-painted faces."
  6. News +1hr: Boycott! by thentil · · Score: 0

    Well, the third idea is having the computer be as smart as a reference librarian.

    Heh. He just managed to offend reference librarians everywhere. Next week: Reference librarians boycott google!

    1. Re:News +1hr: Boycott! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      What's even funnier is that Google is not intelligent whatsoever. All it can do is find webpages. It doesn't answer questions, it can't look up facts, it can't verify any informational searches for accuracy. It just finds websites. When you stop to think about it you realize that Google is not all that amazing. Important? Yeah but not that amazing. And nowhere near as smart as a librarian.

  7. Not a bad career choice by NightWulf · · Score: 5, Funny

    Drop the PhD study where right now he would probably be teaching at a college to kids who really couldn't care...knocking back 40k/yr. Or now be worth a few hundred million dollars. *Sigh* Reminds me of the day some hippy asked me if I wanted to join his computer company, darn thing was in a garage somewhere. I wonder whatever happened to him. Well I turned him down and now i'm a Walmart manager! Watch out for falling prices!!!!!!!

    1. Re:Not a bad career choice by iabervon · · Score: 1

      Last I heard, he was complaining about the security in the Stata center...

  8. Re:How long can Google maintain? by fmorgan · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Like in the WiFi market? Or with Quicken???? Does someone still uses Money?

    Lots of companies succeed against MS. Not that it's the easiest thing to do in the world, but it's doable. Google might be another Intuit.

  9. Re:How long can Google maintain? by DaveKAO · · Score: 0

    Off topic question:
    - Should I mod this flame bait or troll?

  10. Re:How long can Google maintain? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd mod it Interesting. He has a point, you know. Microsoft could easily overtake Google.

  11. Question. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    Google might be another Intuit.

    Can I buy some pot from you?

    1. Re:Question. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ROTFL!!!! That was a good one, dude.

  12. From the Article: by DaveKAO · · Score: 3, Insightful

    He says: "I think that understanding language is kind of the last frontier in artificial intelligence, and then talking to a computer will be just like talking to a reference librarian, because they will both be equally knowledgeable about the world and about you. "

    Now I love Google and don't mind the privacy implications of Gmail, but for the PR nightmare they just had you would think he'd be a little more careful. I am not sure I want computers to be knowledgeable about me (individually).

    1. Re:From the Article: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can we assume you have research librarians peering into your bedroom as you sleep?

    2. Re:From the Article: by DaveKAO · · Score: 1

      Come on I am a slashdotter! I peer into librarians bedrooms while they sleep!

    3. Re:From the Article: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It figures, huh for AI going nowhere ... that language is AIs last frontier -- when language has almost NOTHING to do with human judgement, intelligence or thought. See Penrose for references.

    4. Re:From the Article: by burns210 · · Score: 2, Informative

      he didn't say 'talk to google.com's personal assistant, clippy' he said talk to your computer..... the key to AI, in his opinion, is not sentience or self-awareness, as much as it is the ability to parse the spoken english(or human, in any form) language and pull from that the MEANING and INTENT of what was said... it is incredibly hard, even to try and think about how a computer might do it, let alone actually coding something...

      The ammount of fluf talked on to a simple english sentence is amazing, yet a computer would need to be able to find what the sentence was about, disregard unimportant stuff, take into account the extra details, then translate that into a highly tuned search for the information... 300 years might not be too far off the mark.

  13. Re:How long can Google maintain? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    suprisingly where i am (australia) its MYOB which is the dominant force.

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    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  15. I want to work for Google! by MisterLawyer · · Score: 1

    From the article: We still believe that it is important to have a work environment that is fun. That is still true, just as much now as it was when we started, even though instead of having one massage therapist come in, you know, a few times a day, we have, you know, a whole crew going in, making sure that everyone can get a massage who wants or needs it. (emphasis added)

    1. Re:I want to work for Google! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, but you have to sign a full release.

  16. The reason he chose to stay at google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    But what impresses me and is basically the reason I am still here is that even though the culture has changed, the basic principles that underlie Google, both in terms of the products and how we run internally as a company, have not really changed since it started

    Funny, I would have thought the several hundred of million dollars worth of stock options you probably own, would play a factor too.

  17. one point this interview skips entirely.. by muel · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ..is the "why is Google so successful?" question. This interview seems pretty focused on talking about "hot" topics (gmail privacy, microsoft, blah blah), and it talks about possible future technologies in Google, but the interview doesn't probe about just why Google got there in the first place. Where's the talk about what Google did differently? PageRank (before its manipulation by spamdemons), clean design, obliteration of banner advertising and "portal" services, clear separation of search results and "related advertising" results... that's the compelling stuff that I'd want to hear the man behind Google talk about. Those were all pretty bold moves from an economic standpoint ("what, you want to remove banner ads?! how do you expect to make money!!" etc etc), and by golly, it panned out and then some. Someone should go back and ask, "how the hell did that succeed, how did you convince people to come on board and work with you on Google when it was so damn different?"

  18. Secrecy by zerocool^ · · Score: 5, Interesting


    One thing's for certain: The guy does an excellent job of keeping up Google's mysterious aura. When asked if the number of servers was 10k or more like 100k, he said "over 10k". When asked about future technologies and directions for the company, he always answered vaguely ("I can't comment on specifics").

    This is pretty cool. The aura that google has that no one knows how it works, and no one knows where it is, and no one knows what it's doing... That's a pretty cool public image to have for something used as much as google is. I just wonder if investors are going to want to know more about what's going on.

    ~Will

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    1. Re:Secrecy by sirsnork · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You wouldn't be saying that if it was Microsoft with the mysterious aura

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    2. Re:Secrecy by K-Man · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I found out an interesting fact a while ago: Google schools all of its new employees in intellectual property law, in a course lasting several days, covering patents, trade secrets, copyrights, and the like. This is a paranoia level approaching IBM, where every copy machine has a traceable watermark. Even sales people can't reveal competitive analyses, or any high-level marketing research, even if it might help a sale. Requests, for instance, for a feature comparison of the Google search appliance vs. its competition are met with a stony wall of silence (and appropriately so, I might add).

      So, if you keep track, Google interviews contain almost no information, and are mainly public relations exercises. Vague statements about the corporate culture, some well-aligned musings about the company's future direction, and oh look at the time, the interview's over.

      I suspect most of their searches are done by an Amiga behind the coffee bar.

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    3. Re:Secrecy by hazem · · Score: 1

      When you say that, I can't help but think of, "Ignore the man behind the curtain."

      I just wonder if investors are going to want to know more about what's going on.

      A smart investor would. But as we all know, a majority of investors are lemmings (can I still use that metaphor? http://www.snopes.com/disney/films/lemmings.htm), and won't ask the smart questions.

    4. Re:Secrecy by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      Imagine how surprised they (and all of us) will be when we finally find out that Google is really powered by pigeons!

    5. Re:Secrecy by burns210 · · Score: 1

      not to troll, but it is almost apple-like... google has that cool, sleek, almost artisic clean interface(including gmail's gui) and secrecy behind all its products that everyone WANTS to know what is next, but noone does... It creates demand, excitement, and an interest in a company that otherwise would just be another dot-com search company.

      That, and they are REALLY GOOD at searching the web.

    6. Re:Secrecy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pigeons do the trick for SkyHigh Airlines!

    7. Re:Secrecy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suspect it is in his now REALLY BIG garage.

    8. Re:Secrecy by quietlysubversive · · Score: 1

      "This is a paranoia level approaching IBM, where every copy machine has a traceable watermark."

      aha. take off your tin foil hat. :roll:

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    9. Re:Secrecy by BigGerman · · Score: 1

      >>feature comparison of the Google search appliance vs. its competition
      here we go!
      Disclaimer: it is my friend's company I ocassionally consult for

    10. Re:Secrecy by MolecularBear · · Score: 1

      One thing's for certain: The guy does an excellent job of keeping up Google's mysterious aura.

      You mean how he said nothing of substance? How he spoke almost entirely in generalities and didn't say anything the least bit technical? I found the interview somewhat obnoxious because of that. I was hoping to hear some interesting things about Google, not a bunch vague, very cautious market-speak. I love Google, but I would hardly call this an "in-depth" interview.

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  19. Google Spam by omahajim · · Score: 5, Informative

    What bugs me about Google is all the aggregators and useless pages-full-o-links-without-any-content sites that show up so high in the results when you are seeking, for example, technical information about _X_ piece of hardware.

    Was looking for setup details on a Siemens router today, so I googled the brand and model #. The first few pages were results from overpriced worthless drop-ship web "retailers" instead of useful information. Isn't that stuff supposed to be over on Froogle instead?

    1. Re:Google Spam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Was looking for setup details on a Siemens router today, so I googled the brand and model #. The first few pages were results from overpriced worthless drop-ship web "retailers" instead of useful information.

      Yeah? I got a porn site...

    2. Re:Google Spam by muzza · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Agreed! I wrote a blog entry about this the other day and emailed it off to Google as well. Basically I suggest a preference to exclude sites selling stuff and exclude training courses (as well as wishing for improved indexing and ranking for content in Wiki's...)

    3. Re:Google Spam by boots@work · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I had a similar problem the other day when searching for a digital camera, and indeed the other day when searching for a slightly exotic piece of HP Fiber Channel hardware. Who would have thought there were so many "Internet Entrepranurs" wanting to sell $5k PCI cards?...

      I don't think the spammers can be actually selling the cards; they presumably want to bring you in just to show banners or to sell something else. I suspect the spammers got the product name by gobbling up HP's site or some other reseller.

      Anyhow, here is an amusing conspiracy theory: Google are happy for product keywords to get totally spammed out, because it makes it more likely that people will just click the paid links. They might not be the best value, but at least you know they're enough of a real business to pay their advertising bills.

      Of course this is a bit tough if you don't actually want to buy the thing, but just to find the manual or drivers or linux support information.

      I don't think Google are really doing this, because they seem to be sticking to "don't be evil so far".

    4. Re:Google Spam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's actually quite easy to do this - just add '-buy' to your searchterms. It's a very useful filter to get rid of commercial and spam sites.

    5. Re:Google Spam by rich951 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Maybe if everyone starting using the "Dissatisfied? Help us improve" feedback form at the bottom of the search results, they'd eventually take the hint. Or is that just totally inappropriate optimism? :) To be honest, I can't believe they aren't aware of the problem - so is it "can't fix" or is it "won't fix"?

  20. Re:Boycott Google! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and good on 'em. why would anyone want to support such an antiquated amendment?

    all you gun owners just need to relax. you don't fight fire with fire

  21. Re:Boycott Google! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    wtf, you live in NZ. There's no 2nd ammendment there, nor is Google bound to it, not being a government agency and all.

    I thought you idiotarians were pro-business? Don't they have a right to determine, on their own, whose ads they do and do not want? Or should the nanny state step and tell them what to do.

    Moron, just like every other libertarian. Lay off the sci-fi, and come join is in the real world. The women here are real, and even better than those alien ones wou see with Captain Kirk in star wars.

  22. No... by Misch · · Score: 5, Informative

    I remember the last time there was a big brouhaha over something that Google did, which was when we acquired the Usenet archives from Deja.com

    The last brouhaha people had was when Google de-listed xenu.net completeley over a complaint from Scientology.

    It was March 2002. Buying out Deja was 2/12/2001. Scientology lead with 2 stories on /. in one day.

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    1. Re:No... by linzeal · · Score: 1
      Xenu.net deserves all the support it can get. When books like these are rumored to be bought all up by Scientologists around the country it amounts almost to censorship. Except does not involve a government.

    2. Re:No... by acd294 · · Score: 1

      Man I sure am glad those crazy Scientologists didnt make Amazon run out of an eBook.

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    3. Re:No... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      The last brouhaha people had was when Google de-listed xenu.net completeley over a complaint from Scientology.

      There's lots of ongoing issues - one of the most recent being searches for the word 'Jew' bringing up a hate site as the first link. They've got an explanation and an apology at the top - it makes interesting reading.

      There was an attempt to Google-bomb the word 'Jew' to bring up an article on Wikipedia as the first link - it had worked, but I notice it's at number two again. Hence my link. :-)

      I wouldn't be surprised if there are dozens more disputes and problems, most of which we probably never hear about. Google is by no means perfect, but they do seem remarkably level-headed and decent when it comes to the responses to such issues.

  23. In-depth Interview? by Phrogz · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Much as I love Craig (I'm having dim-sum with him next Sunday) I'd have to disagree with the poster's characterization of the interview as 'in-depth'.

    It's got more than a few questions, but few of them are terribly interesting, and (by necessity, I'm sure) many of the answers are vague or "I can't really talk about that".

    1. Re:In-depth Interview? by Phrogz · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hrm...apparently plain-old-text mode dropped the ... </namedrop> wrappers that I put around the snotty-sounding "I'm having dim-sum with him next Sunday" comment.

      Oops. That'll teach me not to use the Preview button.

    2. Re:In-depth Interview? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try "Extrans" mode next time. It usually works. :)

    3. Re:In-depth Interview? by linzeal · · Score: 1
      A Slashdot faux pa for sure. I wish they expanded the way you could format your text, but the trolls would just use it to their advantage while it would sit mostly unused by the bulk of Slashdotters.

  24. Re:Boycott Google! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

    I support that.

    Most of the countries have outlawed guns, simply because they are harmful.

    US is the only crazy country sticking onto ancient and stupid means of fighting all in the name of freedom. Do you really think that if there is going to be war tomorrow, it is going to be fought with guns?

    Most of Europe is far more developed (and civilized) and have bans on guns. Ditto for even several third world nations (India, for instance).

    There is no point in supporting guns. We are not barbarians. Atleast not unless you're a gun-nut.

  25. Re:Boycott Google! by duncan+bayne · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    No, there isn't the RKBA in NZ. Yet. We members of the Libertarianz party are trying to rectify that :-)

    And yes, of course, Google have the right to run whatever ads they choose. I said boycott, not legislate :-)

  26. US: Protection by the fifth amendment by jpu8086 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    At least in the US, a good lawyer can make a case that the PGP will self-incriminate based on the fifth amendment.

    I dont know about the other parts of the world.

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    1. Re:US: Protection by the fifth amendment by Shakrai · · Score: 4, Informative

      At least in the US, a good lawyer can make a case that the PGP will self-incriminate based on the fifth amendment.

      That doesn't mean jack-sqaut in a civil suit which is what I was mostly worrying about in my parent post. They can subpenoa just about anything and everything.

      You have less rights in a civil case and the burden of proof is much lower.

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    2. Re:US: Protection by the fifth amendment by jpu8086 · · Score: 1

      Ah, you didnt specify civil vs. criminal. =)

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    3. Re:US: Protection by the fifth amendment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, you didnt specify civil vs. criminal.

      Yeah he did, asswipe. learn how to read.

      it can be subpoenaed by lawyers in any type of suit against you.

      "Suits", to the literate, generally means civil suits.

      I'm far more worried about the divorce lawyer or the ex-employee with an axe to grind than I am about the Government.

      Divorce. Civil suit.

      Ex-employee. Civil suit.

      More worried about civil siuts THAN THE GOVERNMENT.

    4. Re:US: Protection by the fifth amendment by Thomas+Shaddack · · Score: 1

      What happens if you just refuse to produce the key, provably and irrevocably destroy the key when the lawyers come, or fake an equipment "accident"?

  27. Re:Making MS green... by DaveKAO · · Score: 1

    This won't be a popular post but it sounds like the MS of the early 80's. Of course, it also sounds like a VH1 "Before they were stars" episode. Just substitute the word "Company" for the word "Band".

  28. Re:Boycott Google! by KingOfBLASH · · Score: 0, Troll
    Boycott Google!

    I agree with you 100%. Google's page rank is so messed up I've decided to use Amazon.com's A9 instead!

  29. Re:How long can Google maintain? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You should find things to mod up instead.

  30. Elaborate Please by KidSock · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Google continues to redefine the technology market with its creativity and tenacity

    Really? I don't mean to be a troll. I like google and all but what have they done differently since the first day they opened for business. They're search engine just works great and that's it. They're in a position to do more but what? Does gmail constitute N billion in market capitalization they're going to pull in when the IPO goes through? Makes one wonder what they're going to do an not be "evil".

    1. Re:Elaborate Please by burns210 · · Score: 1

      there are many things google can still do. audio and video search come to mind... a watson/sherlock(mac users) local search/browser like app could be a killer... google should buyout the developers that wrote watson.

      Google HAS tweaked their code greatly... every few months, your search results for a given thing change somewhat, or they change drastically... most of the time for the better. This is to 1. improve the variables that get each search term a ranking(improve results) and 2. to make it harder for sites to unfairly promote their site so they get top rankings... a changing algorithm can drop a 'bad site' in terms of unfair practice, from first to 50th.

    2. Re:Elaborate Please by Arkaein · · Score: 1

      How about (semi) automatically targetted text ads that are far less intrusive and more effective than most of the banner and flash ads out there on the web? I'd consider that innovative.

      Froogle is nice for looking to buy something on the web, especially comparison shopping. I've used it to help a coworker looki into cable modem and router combos and we were easily able to determine the types of features that were widely available and for what price from a few simple searches.

      When I want to catch up on non-geek related current events I always check Google News first.

      Local search can help you find the web site of a restaurant and a map of the area all at once.

      Don't forget Gmail, which *could* become a revolutionary email service.

      Finally, head over to labs.google.com to see what else their working on. I've used Google Sets a few times. Plug in one or two related keywords and get back a whole set of keywords.

      I'd say Google has done a lot to stay at the cutting edge of search technology.

    3. Re:Elaborate Please by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I think they ought to just provide porn in the first place. They provide mail and a community site, right? Might as well make with the hoo-has. They could possible call it noodle, or boogleoo, or maybe fookle.

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  31. Google Overated ? by Dozix007 · · Score: 1

    There is no doubt that Google is the most popular search engine on the market today, however, is it the best ? Or has it just won a popularity contest ? Many use Google purely because others do. It is not that the technology is better, it is just that it has a much higher user rate, which allows it's results to be far better.

    1. Re:Google Overated ? by Ziviyr · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A clean page and what used to be some nice results sold me.

      Biggest selling point it that they haven't driven me off with obnoxious ads and really stupid search results.

      Google hasn't been blatantly evil to me yet.
      In fact have they been provably evil at all, outside of designs on lunar domination?

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    2. Re:Google Overated ? by DaveKAO · · Score: 1

      Can you explain what you mean by a higher user rate resulting in better results? As far as I know, Google doesn't record the pages you visit after a search, so the amount of users would have no effect upon search results. Correlation does not mean causation.

    3. Re:Google Overated ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about these new open source search egines nutch.org and objectssearch.com .

      Open Source search engine will take over.Oh linux is here where is microsoft ?.

      Google Who ?

  32. Re:Making MS green... by BiggerIsBetter · · Score: 1

    Yeh, back in the day that worked. I'm not so sure it would work in 2004 though, because now the existing companies are on the lookout for low-key competitors and aware of the risks of letting them grow. In the dot.com days, some of the old businesses got hammered pretty hard, but it's less likely now. Your local bookstore couldn't do jack about Amazon, but Amazon will probably sue you for patent infringement if you try to make a better bookstore and put it online.

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  33. Re:How long can Google maintain? by jared_hanson · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Of all the companies that Microsoft has ever competed agains, Google is the first one where Microsoft is fighting a battle in enemy territory.

    Microsoft's victories come in the software front (Netscape, Quicken, Office, etc.) where they can leverage their operating system dominance.

    Google's home turf is massively scalable, reliable web services. Even though much of it is secret, all signs point to an incredible advanced platform that keeps these things running. Its highly redundant and distributed, using some cutting edge research and open source technologies. If Microsoft were to try to utilize Windows to power such a platform, their developers would soon discover how laughable Windows is for such a solution. Not that Microsoft isn't smart, but the culture of Google lends itself much better to success in this field than the culture of Microsoft.

    I am, however, looking forward to Microsoft going up against them, as it will allow us to point out yet another failure in them trying to move beyond their core business.

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  34. Re:How long can Google maintain? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    hahahahahaha, he can't mod JACK now that he's posted.

    serves the bastard right for trying to mod stuff down instead of up.

  35. improve porn searching by sashang · · Score: 4, Funny

    man - if google could improve searching for porn what a relief that would be. Currently I have to wade through bucket loads of fake links, booby pop-ups, fake free pics, virii and other crap. I hope they improve the search engine so that it delivers the best free pussy on the net.

    1. Re:improve porn searching by FunWithKnives · · Score: 4, Funny
      images.google.com

      Turn off SafeSearch and you can find pretty much whatever you're looking for.. Oh, and stop doing that.. You'll go blind..

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    2. Re:improve porn searching by PhrostyMcByte · · Score: 1

      There is one dedicated to porn already.

    3. Re:improve porn searching by burns210 · · Score: 1

      i read your first words and thought you were typing a terminal command 'man google'... wow.

      if google can do an image search, i wonder how they could morph that technology(and metadata processing) into a movie search?

      better yet, get some REAL processing power and do an audio search... wether it be mp3s or radios posts or famous speeches... all 3 would be helpful, esspecially if you could search for words and have the google computers transcribe the audio file and find matches...

      Yes, google is my hero. :)

    4. Re:improve porn searching by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no such thing as free pussy.

    5. Re:improve porn searching by martinflack · · Score: 1

      Exactly. "Booble."

      I'm going to buy into the IPO just so I can recommend this as a Shareholder.

  36. I don't agree by martin-boundary · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Nothing is currently stopping the government from snooping on your email from other mail providers (e.g. yahoo, msn, aol).
    That's not quite correct. There is a fundamental thing stopping the governments from snooping right now: practicality.

    They can't practically do a full search across everyone's email for a particular keyword. To do so, the providers need to offer this kind of service, which they haven't been built to do (data persistence, indexing etc.). Alternatively, the FBI/CIA could just install snooping boxes at network hubs, but again this isn't practical for realtime searches given the volume of mail going around the world every day.

    On the other hand, Gmail is (the first system yet) specifically designed to make searching across its datastore as easy as searching the web. Now, for the first time, large scale email snooping is practical. The FBI/CIA can just get a special privilege account from Google, with the ability to search everyone's email for keywords just like we do now when searching the web.

    Laws don't mean much if enforcing them is impractical. Gmail and similar systems if they catch on make new laws practical.

    1. Re:I don't agree by realdpk · · Score: 1

      "Alternatively, the FBI/CIA could just install snooping boxes at network hubs, but again this isn't practical for realtime searches given the volume of mail going around the world every day."

      Remember Carnivore? That's what they told us they were doing. What else may they be doing without our knowledge?

    2. Re:I don't agree by AlecC · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There is a fundamental thing stopping the governments from snooping right now: practicality.

      Part of Google's income comes from providing search functionality for other companies. There is no obvious reason why the Federal government could not buy Google's search expertise and use it on a database populated by their Echelon monitoring system. While expensive, it would not be ridiculous compared with other federal spending on security. (Actually, I think it would be a lot better value for money than the ham-fisted repeated searches of the same baggage and repeated checks of the same documents currently going on in airports).

      Now, I know that Google says "Do no evil", and some people will immediately call this evil. But I am not so sure you can make such a black-and-white judgement about it. It certainly would be a powerful tool in the hands of an oppressive government. But that is because it is a powerful tool - it is also a powerful tool for detecting terrorists. We know that terrorists are using ad-hoc email to co-ordinate their activities. It is the same power that helps me sort through the dross on the net for the gold I want. It is a dilemma facing anybody who manufactures dual-use technology. Should you stop manufacturing boots because they can be used to kick prisoners to death?

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  37. PageRank by karmatic · · Score: 2, Funny

    As an internet webmaster, I certainly would like to hire the guy for a little SEO work. From the sounds of the article, this guy sounds like he knows what makes PageRank tick.

    The rest of us only find out through experimentation.

    Hey, I'm the number 2 Nigruitude Ultramarine site on the web!

    1. Re:PageRank by jmauro · · Score: 1

      Actually, if you check they're returning no results for the phrase "Nigruitude Ultramarine". So I doubt you're number 2.

    2. Re:PageRank by karmatic · · Score: 1

      Had an extra u in there.

      It's on page two (I already did a correction) Nigritude Ultramarine.

  38. Re:Boycott Google! by duncan+bayne · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I guess the Iraqis killing US servicepeople are doing so with water pistols? :-P

    Also, firearms are still useful for self-defense, in fact, they're better than anything else, *especially* if you're a woman defending herself against stranger rape.

  39. actuall, it probably was a bad career choice by hak1du · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Drop the PhD study where right now he would probably be teaching at a college to kids who really couldn't care...

    There are plenty of Ph.D. drop-outs that signed up with other companies that looked just as promising as Google and didn't make it. This sort of career choice is basically a lottery ticket with a rather high cost of entry--even if you ever manage to get back to grad school after your failed stint at a startup, it's going to be hard to get back into research.

    If you want to make money, a Ph.D. is the wrong choice to begin with--go into business or finance or something like that. If you change your mind about getting a Ph.D. halfway through, again, there are far better career choices than to get involved with some startup.

    Sign up with a startup in a technical capacity only if you feel passionate about the product or the work.

    1. Re:actuall, it probably was a bad career choice by demosi · · Score: 1
      It's difficult to decide what's a bad career choice without taking into account the personality of the person making the decision. And of course, everybody's different. I'm currently in IT research and about to jump into a startup company for several reasons:
      1. I like challenges and am willing to take risks
      2. I'm going to work no harder in trying to make a successful and lucrative business then I was working in research. This is an unsubtle but very important point
      3. I do feel passionately about the technology and the work

      The greater risk would be wondering what-if? for the rest of my life. My point is that these things can't really be planned and much of life is about risk, opportunism and luck ;-)
  40. Gmail changed the way I use email by linzeal · · Score: 1
    When I went from Pine to Outlook Express I developed an interest in the aesthetic appeal in Email messages whereas before I was primarily groking whatever jumble of words someone sent me almost non-english like. When I was presented "pretty" Anti-Aliased fonts and a graphical GUI I never went back to using email as pure information exchange. PINE and ELM and now GMAIL have been the greatest influencers of my email composing style and from what I have seen thus far with Gmail I'm not going back to an offline email program. In fact I would not mind if Google was my operating system. Are they the advent of the online operating system?

    I knew google was mainstream americana when I saw something like this in the grocery store. Has anyone else seen these?

  41. Crap! by karmatic · · Score: 1

    Correction, on page number two (mixed two thoughts together). Here, have another free shot at my karma!

    Shameless Nigritude Ultramarine Plug.

  42. New & Interesting Search Technology - vivisimo by licamell · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Google is known for their new and interesting technologies. I stumbled across this search engine right before reading this article actually. A search engine that clusters your results! It makes it even faster and simpler to get right to what you want. It's nice to see new ideas like this coming out and helping to change the direction of search engines as google did several years ago.

    http://vivisimo.com/

  43. Re:Making MS green... by Ziviyr · · Score: 1

    ...Later on in Google's career the PETA enraging truth about PageRank was discovered, to this day they have a slave workforce of pidgeons providing millions of search results a day without providing proper break times or health coverage.

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  44. As far as I know by xintegerx · · Score: 1

    As far as I know, your lack of knowledge does not constitute proof that he is wrong.

    1. Re:As far as I know by DaveKAO · · Score: 1

      That is why i asked it as a question. :) I have done some RTFM, but am willing to admit that he may know more than I do.

  45. I aways knew... by mingust · · Score: 3, Funny

    that google was just a juy sitting behind the wall that knows everything.

    Just like the standardized testing grading machines...

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    1. Re:I aways knew... by unithom · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but can *you* speak Wall? And if so, how fast?

  46. Google going downhill? by citizenc · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I don't know about anybody else, but I have noticed that, lately, Google seems to be rather polluted by people who are exploiting the PageRank system to get higher listings. You know the types -- the url is of the form www.domain.com/your-exact-keywords.html, and the page doesn't actually have any content. Google is fantastic for anything that hasn't gone main-stream, simply because advertisers aren't Google-Bombing (heh, I can't believe I actually said that) those particular words yet.

  47. Re:How long can Google maintain? by HuguesT · · Score: 2

    Don't underestimate Microsoft. I'm sure they can outdo Google if they put their mind to it. They have the clout, the technological know-how, the financial backing, and they are not afraid of playing dirty. Eventually Google will make a mistake ; maybe a key employee will leave for Microsoft, something like that, and anyway Microsoft employs lots of smart people too.

    What does Google have that Microsoft cannot duplicate, buy or steal, given enough time and resources?

  48. GMail and Attachments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    Has any other GMail user noticed that there seems to be a limit on the size of attachments that GMail allows? For instance, it currently won't accept my 60+ MB attachment consisting of a gpg-encrypted tar of my Documents directory. I'm going to tar and encrypt smaller and smaller chunks until I find the limit. People could save me time if they already knew the limit.

    And besides, why should Google do this!? They are the ones giving out a Gig. If I want to send a friend the ISO of Debian Disc 1, why should Google stop me? Why be choosy about how I use the Gig? Again, I didn't ask them to give out Gigs. They freely chose to. Let's remember: Don't be evil.

    1. Re:GMail and Attachments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Update:
      4.2MB Attachment accepted.
      13.2MB Attachment rejected.

      Narrowing it down...

    2. Re:GMail and Attachments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow. Google really is everywhere watching everything.

      Just a second ago instead of the usual non-descript error, I got one saying the message couldn't be sent because it exceeded the 10MB limit.

      They aren't reading this and updating GMail as we speak...are they?

      Naaaahhh...It's paranoid to think Google would be watching you.

    3. Re:GMail and Attachments by duffbeer703 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I find it more obnoxious that they filter zip archives with executables in them.

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    4. Re:GMail and Attachments by alphakappa · · Score: 5, Informative

      If you had bothered to read the FAQs on Gmail instead of being anal and cribbing here, you would have noticed that Gmail allows a total email size of 10 MB.

      The reason? they don't want you to use it as your personal hard drive on the web. If you want a hard drive, use one of the hard drive websites. This is perfectly understandable since they must have done their calculations on how much space a person would really use, and that would be based on emails and regular attachments, not file backups.

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  49. They forgot to ask him... by lewko · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...his thoughts on negritude ultramarine

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      you mean nigritude ultramarine don't you?

  50. Re:How long can Google maintain? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Microsoft have technical "know-how" ? What planet are you living on?

  51. Re:Boycott Google! by cujo_1111 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I guess the Iraqis killing US servicepeople are doing so with water pistols?

    No, Rocket Propelled Grenades are much more effective. But seriously, have a look at the comparative death tolls between the Coalition and Iraqis, ~600 vs ~11,000. I think the trigger happy US are more deadly with or without their guns.

    in fact, they're better than anything else, *especially* if you're a woman defending herself against stranger rape.

    So you wouldn't use a gun if someone you knew was raping you?

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  52. Re:Boycott Google! by duncan+bayne · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I mean that guns are less effective against rape by people known to the victims, as there's less opportunity to use them.

    E.g. most wives don't keep their husbands at gunpoint while in bed together, but that doesn't mean they don't get raped while in bed with the rapist.

  53. He doesn't answer by This+is+outrageous! · · Score: 2, Interesting
    PageRank was a good idea and clearly rooted in the technology; but people have caught up on it. Now how many others like that can Google really hope to have so that it stays useful?

    One, Silverstein acknowledges that AI problems are basically hopeless (gonna take "about 200 to 300 years").

    Two, when asked if PageRank is dead and what they are doing to fight false popularity, he says they are "tweaking it in new ways".

    Three, when asked how ("do you have algorithms?) he answers,

    Well, there are certainly other techniques that we are using. Talking about it is the trickier part. In broad terms, techniques we use fall into, like, two or three categories, and one is we try to understand and leverage human intelligence. We look for signals that people put in to indicate intelligence, like deciding to link from one page to another or annotating text with the description of what the text is about.
    OK, they are looking at the anchor text. Then what? As long as HTML is the language, I'm afraid there aren't that many more things they can do.

    Time to cash in, perhaps?

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    1. Re:He doesn't answer by saddino · · Score: 1

      OK, they are looking at the anchor text. Then what? As long as HTML is the language, I'm afraid there aren't that many more things they can do.

      You're right that the source (HTML) may be limited in its context, so one thing Google can do is look at their user base's interaction with a given query.

      For example, if "theory of relativity" has been searched a million times, that is one million samples of PageRank filtered by human (user) intelligence: what sites did users visit most often from the search results? How much time between click throughs to other results? ( i.e. a rough indication of how much time was spent on a particular result -- up to the penultimate result). What related queries followed the first (e.g. "time dilation")?

      But perhaps more importantly, Google has a mindboggling large cached snapshot of the web. IMHO, that is where their future lies: billions and billions of words just waiting for sophisticated context analysis. My company's interests lie exactly in that arena.

      My bet is that Google (and others) have a long, long way to go yet. But the real question is: can they make money doing it?

    2. Re:He doesn't answer by This+is+outrageous! · · Score: 1
      one thing Google can do is look at their user base's interaction with a given query

      Now that's an answer :-)

      You must be right that they're experimenting with this -- I noticed that result pages sometimes give redirect links that go through Google's servers. Things like http://google.com/somescript?http://www.aol.com, which btw, gave me an eerie feeling of being tracked...

      (Not sure what was determining this -- e.g. I'd get such links with Mozilla, but not with Safari at right the same time.)

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  54. Not a gun nut but... by Botunda · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    When the fall of "American" society falls, who do you think we'll be defending ourselves against?
    Another country or our own countrymen?

    The owner of this .sig does not own a gun... be afraid

  55. 40k? Not quite by 1000101 · · Score: 1

    The average professor salary in the U.S. is $98,499/year. Granted, that's nothing compared to what this guy is making, but it's not exaclty 40k either. Once a professor gains tenure, the job is nice and plush with plenty of job security.

  56. STOP THE MADNESS by cowbud · · Score: 1

    I sware if I read one more f$cking google article with gmail attached to it I am going to go insane. Yes, google is amazing. NO I do not want to read about how amazing it is and how I can get a whole whopping gig of memory with this great new email service called GMAIL. Enough is enough! Think I am insane? Look at the history of how many stories have gmail and google in the title for the last couple weeks. Can we say get some real news?

    1. Re:STOP THE MADNESS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Thanks to the new icon you can turn off Google propaganda^Wstories. To do this, go to Homepage preferences and under "Exclude Stories from the Homepage" click the Google checkbox.

  57. You insenstive clod! by Glowing+Fish · · Score: 1

    Some of us are looking for free cock on the web!

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    1. Re:You insenstive clod! by edunbar93 · · Score: 1

      The IRC poll is over there. --->

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  58. Yeah, Dunc, what with you being a woman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and in NZ rather than the USA, I can see how this really matters to you. Besides, you're more likely to be killed in a gun accident than you are to be raped by a stranger, in the USA. So your point was...?

  59. OT: grammar by corbettw · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    I'm far more worried about the divorse lawyer or the ex-employee with an axe to grind then I am about the Government.

    I've been seeing this a lot lately, and can't understand why people screw it up so badly.

    "Then" refers to a point in time. "Than" is used as a comparison. The sentance should read "I'm far more worried about the divorce lawyer or the ex-employee with an axe to grind than I am about the Government." Yes, yes, typos happen, but this happens so often that I think people honestly think they're saying "then" when they're saying "than".

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    1. Re:OT: grammar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
      The sentance should read "I'm far more worried about the divorce lawyer or the ex-employee with an axe to grind than I am about the Government."

      I've been seeing this a lot lately, and can't understand why people screw it up so badly.

      "Sentance" refers to a non-existing word, but is probably a mispeling (PI) of "sundance". "Sentence" is a grammatical unit that is syntactically independent and has a subject that is expressed or, as in imperative sentences, understood and a predicate that contains at least one finite verb. The sentence should read "The sentence should read "I'm far more worried about the divorce lawyer or the ex-employee with an axe to grind than I am about the Government."" Yes, yes, typos happen, but this happens so often that I think people honestly think they're saying "sentence" when they're saying "sentance".

    2. Re:OT: grammar by bakes · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yes, yes, typos happen, but this happens so often that I think people honestly think they're saying "then" when they're saying "than".

      Seeing mistakes like the one you describe makes me so angry that sometimes I think I might loose control.

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    3. Re:OT: grammar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      mispeling?

    4. Re:OT: grammar by skavj_binsk · · Score: 1

      Stop it! Your driving me crazy with the all the grammar joke's!

    5. Re:OT: grammar by rsadelle · · Score: 1

      You've just made the slashdot grammar blunder found in far too many story posts: incorrect usage of nested quote marks.

      Your sentence should read, "The sentence should read, 'The sentence should read, "I'm far more worried about the divorce lawyer or the ex-employee with an axe to grind than I am about the Government."'"

  60. Re:40k? Not quite by corbettw · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Yeah, and that's just salary. The real money is in research grants. I have an acquantance who works as a lab tech. Her boss, a PhD at UCLA, usually has about a dozen or so research subjects running at once, with each being funded by one or two grants. In fact, the only work that individual does is think of new things to research and file the appropriate papers, grad students and lab techs do the actual work. Pretty good gig, if you can put in the 20 years of school and work it takes to get it.

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  61. Re:How long can Google maintain? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Of all the companies that Microsoft has ever competed agains, Google is the first one where Microsoft is fighting a battle in enemy territory.

    Er... you ever heard of this thing called the "Xbox"?

  62. Re:Boycott Google! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Score: -1, Troll (But totally accurate)

  63. Re:How long can Google maintain? by Tarantolato · · Score: 1

    What does Google have that Microsoft cannot duplicate, buy or steal, given enough time and resources?

    Google's corporate culture has valued technical r&d and clean user interfaces more than Microsoft's. Google also has a better reputation.

    These are important when you run a search engine that users want to get to, find what they need, and get out of without any fuss; and when they can set their homepage to something else with a few mouseclicks.

    Google could lose these at any time, but Microsoft is unlikely to gain them.

  64. Re:Boycott Google! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do you really think that if there is going to be war tomorrow, it is going to be fought with guns?

    If New Zealand is invaded by Indonesia, then we won't have any choice. That said, we should be able to do some damage if it comes down to ordinary citizens fighting on the streets afterwards. And there are towels to aim for.

    We are not barbarians.

    Doesn't mean 'they' aren't. But then, we don't kill women for being raped, so what do we know about barbarism?

  65. now if he could only fix the google toolbar logo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the logo in the their toolbar is horribly pixelated. bothered me when i used to use ie.

  66. Really, nothing is stopping them by Frogg · · Score: 1
    They can't practically do a full search across everyone's email for a particular keyword. To do so, the providers need to offer this kind of service, which they haven't been built to do (data persistence, indexing etc.).

    Just because other email service providers are not specifically optimising their email service for search, doesn't mean they can't simply issue something similar to:

    SELECT * FROM T_EMAIL WHERE MESSAGE_BODY LIKE '%terrorism%'

    ... it might take a little longer to execute than having a separate table to hold the keywords:

    SELECT * FROM T_EMAIL E, T_KEYWORDS K WHERE K.KEYWORD = 'terrorism' AND K.MSG_ID = T.MSG_ID

    ... but it is just a database afterall, and they are meant to be searchable (and are indeed very often indexed -- but indexing in such a way is all about performance, it doesn't make it impossible).

    Furthermore, I've got a feeling that other email providers might keep backups of emails in storage for a short while -- just like Google: they can't guarantee immediate deletion of your message from an archived backup -- but maybe they simply are not being as up-front and implicit about this fact in their terms and conditions? (e.g. I don't see how Hotmail/Yahoo could not have backups, so do they still have copies of your old messages? You will probably never know...)

    Sorry, but I don't think it's impracticle: I agree with the grand-parent post: nothing is is currently stopping the government from snooping on your email from other mail providers -- just because Google are the 'search kings' doesn't mean nobody else can search a database of email messages (thinking otherwise is nearly ludicrous).

    1. Re:Really, nothing is stopping them by martin-boundary · · Score: 2, Informative
      Just because other email service providers are not specifically optimising their email service for search, doesn't mean they can't simply issue something similar to:

      SELECT * FROM T_EMAIL WHERE MESSAGE_BODY LIKE '%terrorism%'

      If those other mail providers kept everyone's mail in a single, huge SQL database, you would probably be right. But in reality, making the above assumption shows that you haven't dealt much with email at the nuts and bolts end.

      Email messages are stored in many different formats, usually separately for each user or group of users, on several servers. On Unix systems, mail is often just kept in one file per user before delivery. On Company servers using Exchange or Lotus, it will be in several database like files, on Yahoo or MSN, I don't know but I doubt very much there's a single huge database you can SELECT from.

      For any one given mail spool, it's trivial to search the messages for a keyword, but that's not the practical problem. The practical problem for somebody wanting to search every user's email together is to perform all the trivial searches over all the servers over all the operating systems over all the storage formats used by all the organizations being investigated. With Gmail, all this is moot if, as everyone claims, they have one single huge distributed storage system for everyone's mail.

      Sorry, but I don't think it's impracticle: I agree with the grand-parent post: nothing is is currently stopping the government from snooping on your email from other mail providers -- just because Google are the 'search kings' doesn't mean nobody else can search a database of email messages (thinking otherwise is nearly ludicrous).
      Perhaps you would better understand the following analogy: currently, searching everyone's email is like you surfing the net with a web browser. You hop from one machine to the next, from one page to the next, doing a bit of searching and a bit of looking for where to search next. With Gmail, everyone's mail is indexed in one easy to use place, so searching mail becomes like web browsing via a search engine. It's just so much easier there's no comparison.
    2. Re:Really, nothing is stopping them by SandSpider · · Score: 1
      For any one given mail spool, it's trivial to search the messages for a keyword, but that's not the practical problem. The practical problem for somebody wanting to search every user's email together is to perform all the trivial searches over all the servers over all the operating systems over all the storage formats used by all the organizations being investigated. With Gmail, all this is moot if, as everyone claims, they have one single huge distributed storage system for everyone's mail.


      See, you've needlessly complicated things to try to make your point. The simple way to say it is to substitute gmail with Yahoo mail (using the search and replace engine of your choice). Or Hotmail. Yes, if everyone in the whole world started using gmail, it would be really simple to search everyone's email. However, just because gmail is indexed and made for searching doesn't mean that all of the other major webmail providers don't have a similar weakness.

      The grandparent's post stated Just because other email service providers are not specifically optimising their email service for search, doesn't mean they can't simply issue something similar to.... Meaning that for any one given email provider, it would be simple to do a search, if a bit slower than with gmail (though that wouldn't matter so much from a law enforcement perspective).

      So it's really irrelevant that different corporations and service providers use different mail systems, because that's not going to change with the advent of gmail. The only reason it would be relevant is because perhaps geeks are more likely to use gmail than hotmail or yahoo, so you're saying that it would be easier to get the data on geeks and other readers of slashdot.

      Plus, even if any one given provider has mail stored across several databases, the database administrators are going to know how to get that info just as easily as they are going to be able to get your password (or access into an account that they aren't cleared for), if they're worth their salt. Yes, it'll require some cooperation from the admins, but how do you think law enforcement is going to get the information otherwise?

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  67. Google == k.i.s.s. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    One thing that has made google as popular as it has become is one simple thing most search engines/portals overlook - Sheer simplicity. Ever try to maneuver through msn or yahoo? They're a constant flood of content and ads. Like I need to have everything on one page. It's too much. Google is simple and to the point. Total no-brainer.

    1. Re:Google == k.i.s.s. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's very insightful, fellow AC, but what is even more surprising to me is that using KISS or other simple principles itself isn't really very insightful. Business seems so often to get so far away from customers' wants and desires that it seems insightful when really all they are doing is just getting a clue. KISS is a no-brainer, but how many companies adopt this no-brainer?

      Instead, they look at market share studies and ways to tweak individual items on their portal pages, missing the KISS big picture. This seems like a constant in business today, so many people are so deep into the trues, and the few people who look at the big picture are hailed as some kinds of geniuses.

      Imagine if a company somehow succeeded in getting past all of the DRM and sold a product which people actually wanted, say a DVR which could easily make a backup copy of one Hollywood DVD onto another empty DVD. The product would sell wildly; it is a no brainer that everyone would want one of these. And then the manufacturer's founders would be hailed as geniuses in today's press:

      Interviewer: "Jack, how on earth did it hit on you that customers might actually want to buy a useful product? Did it come to you in some divine flash of inspiration?"

      Jack: "Well, I really can't talk about how smart I am until after my stock options vest next week."

      I mean really, is the KISS simplicity of Google's portal really all that smart? Or is it just that in comparison, the needless complexity of the other portals is so stupid?

    2. Re:Google == k.i.s.s. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i meant "so deep into the TREES"

  68. Re:How long can Google maintain? by solferino · · Score: 1

    nice comment

  69. The man who *made* Google tick..? by sushi5000 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I noticed this at the end of March for the first time:
    The DoT, namely C.S., used to be on the list of Google Executives.
    Any comment on *this*, I mean...hello? Mr. Brin? Mr. Page?
    Did Mr. Silverstein just dematerialize or what?

    "In an interview before Google's IPO filing, Silverstein discussed [...]"

    *yawn*

  70. I want to know more about employee No.1. by Adhemar · · Score: 1, Funny
    Like his friends Sergey Brin and Larry Page, Craig Silverstein abandoned his PhD studies at Stanford to become employee No.1 and technology director at Google.

    I wanted to know why three people became all employee No. 1 after they abandoned their PhD studies. You would expect them to become employees No. 1, 2 and 3.

    Or even employees No. 0, 1 and 2, since Google is a geeky company. (With their IPO, they hope to raise 2,718,281,828 dollars with is floor(e billion) dollar.)

    I Googled, didn't find it. Just maybe Google's not completely perfect.

  71. Searching syntax by PicoTera · · Score: 1

    When looking for how-to information, the query should be posed as the answer, not the question. The page that has the information you want will contain phrases such as, "... when installing the foorbar, be sure to ..." Think about the answer, not the question.

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  72. Logo by BenBenBen · · Score: 1

    Much as I like the new "Google" articles category, I can't help but feel that Google may have something along the lines of "trademark confusion" in mind when they write and ask /. to stop using their logo at the top of their page...

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  73. not answering questions? by clsc · · Score: 2, Informative
    >> It doesn't answer questions

    define:answer

    >> questions

    Something like, say, 200 miles in metres?

  74. Re:How long can Google maintain? by HuguesT · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't know,

    If Microsoft wanted to they could develop clean interfaces too. Microsoft's reputation is not that bad, except that it is known that they don't play nice with others.

    But still, if they do develop a worthwhile engine, on par with Google or better (they have very good researchers, they are certainly capable of coming up with something) and put it as the default search engine in the next version of Windows and the next service patches, then Google could find itself in trouble.

    Microsoft has tremendous leverage with its users by virtue of most of them not being very educated and not caring about interfaces all that much as long as it sort of works.

  75. Over ten K by clsc · · Score: 1
    >> 10K or 100K?

    I read this:

    let us grow Google to the size it is today from something that was orders of magnitude smaller -- a thousand times smaller -- from when we first started the company.

    Now, what's 10,000 times 1,000 percent?

  76. Re:improve porn searching *found* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just check out ThumbFu.com - pretty much what you ask for I think ;)

  77. Re:improve porn searching *correction* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    erhmm.. that was ThumbFu.com of course... sorry

  78. I don't get the controoversy over GMail by brunes69 · · Score: 1

    I mean, come on. If you have internet then odds are pretty high you have Email from you ISP. There is also Hotmail, Yahoo Mail, Excite Mail, Mail.com, and thousands of other free email providers.

    So basiclaly you have choices out the ass, email is one area in which *no one* can claim they have a monopoly.

    So what's the big deal? Feel threatened by GMail? Then don't sign up for an account. It's not like anyone is holding a gun to your back.

  79. Blame yourself and others. by Tei · · Score: 1

    The problem is, IMHO, excesive critical comments from internet. Looks the EULA problem with gmail. Something that is NOTHING has become the badababaBOMBA here, and there.. all over internet.
    I think people at google work well, and shut up to avoid stupid excesive critical comments. The results of is work is nice, and this is the important. Not the Amige behind the coffee bar.

    I am sorry for my engrish.

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  80. Still valid points by Frogg · · Score: 3, Interesting

    My points are still valid, even if my psuedo-code is not 100% correct -- but you miss my point: any of the large webmail providers (Yahoo, Hotmail, etc) will still be able to search all the email in any users mailboxes, almost as easily you can log-in on their respective homepages. It would be a fallacy to think otherwise. Of course, these services already do -- just like Gmail -- have one huge store for all their users' mail, even if it is distributed, as you mention.

    It is my belief, gained through knowledge of mail servers -- and too many years real-world experience writing high-end web-services/front-ends of one kind or another -- that SQL is the most scalable solution for the back-end of a web-based email system with this quantity of users, the idea of using any kind of file based mailstore is unpractical for web-based email for a number of technical reasons.

    Furthermore, if I remember correctly, in the past I have read articles about the big webmail provider's back-end systems being SQL based (sorry, I can't remember which company the article was about -- I think I've read about more than one..(?)).

    Your analogy about searching everyone's email is moot: we are not really talking about searching everyone's email spool, rather, people are arguing over whether Google's webmail -- Gmail -- is any less private than any of the other big webmail solutions (Yahoo, Hotmail) that are already out there -- and it's not. It's no better, and no worse -- but they are being more upfront about things (i.e. explicit about their business/technical processes) in their privacy policy than some of the other providers care to be, which has brought this matter into the eyes of the general user (who probably do not realise that when they click 'Delete' on Hotmail, a copy of their message may indeed still reside on another of Hotmail's systems in an archived backup, unaccessible to the all but the sysadmins -- and the respective law enforcement agents/agencies, if they have the right paperwork).

    With Gmail, everyone's mail is indexed in one easy to use place, so searching mail becomes like web browsing via a search engine. It's just so much easier there's no comparison.

    In this statement (and possibly inferred in some other statements) you make it sound like Gmail/Google will index everyone's mail-server's mailstores like it indexes webpages -- it won't. Gmail only indexes the mail of Gmail users.

  81. Why the garage? by fleener · · Score: 1

    Why do famous nerds situate their computer room in their garage? Are they too young to have a driver's license? Are they big believers in public transportation? Are they David Hasselhoff wanna-bes who stumble on an unrelated breakthrough while trying to invent a talking car? What's the story?

    1. Re:Why the garage? by BigGerman · · Score: 1

      because people who would have a spare bedroom or something are already making enough money and already lazy and not hungry for life anymore?

  82. The Real reason Gmail will have BIG issues by WildThing · · Score: 1

    I know this is slightly offtopic, but I was reading comments and just realized something...

    Each Mailbox will be able to hold 1GB of email. Each Email can be 10MB. What happens when gmailboxes become noting more than the equivalent of alt.binaries filled with software. No longer will the pirate/warez users have to worry about running ftp servers, P2P, Usenet, etc. Google will be the ones holding the goods and there will be a ton of gmailboxes setup for the sole purpose of warez sharing. Once this draws google's attention - *poof* either it will be gone or the max mailbox/attachment limit will be drastically reduced.

    Don't get Me wrong - I think that *if* google's gmail doesn't do all the potentially nasty things with users data it would be great. I just hope they have thought of this possiblity and have also created some means to deal with it.

  83. Re:40k? Not quite by timeOday · · Score: 1
    Interesting, does that count "professors" at all levels, including assistant professors and so forth?

    The main problem with a tenured professorship is that they aren't easy to come by. You have to put in a lot of work for a little money for a long time, and if you don't get enough grants or good publications, it's all for naught. Get denied tenure once or twice and your academic career is over.

  84. Didn't realize... by carlos_benj · · Score: 1

    While building the search engine in a garage, never in his wildest dreams did he think Google would become what it is today.

    I had no idea the search engine was mechanical. I thought it was software, more likely produced in a bedroom office or a basement on a computer. That's why I keep reading the articles here, I learn something new almost every time.

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  85. Silverstein = Der Juden by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What more is there to know. One of God's Chosen People with this much power? Do not trust him.

  86. Not that's more like it by K-Man · · Score: 1

    Of course, I'm not buying, just looking for competitive information :-).

    To date, all we've gotten from Google is a two-page flyer listing some of the features; I don't get the sense that they're overly excited about the product.

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  87. Quiet period? by PCM2 · · Score: 1

    It could be because of Google's impending IPO. SEC "quiet periods" are designed to make sure that all the information out there about a company is consistent and accurate. They prevent company execs from putting out their own spin on things in the press right before an IPO. Silverstein has probably been advised to make no forward-looking statements whatsoever, and to only confirm things that have already been well-documented in the press ("thousands" of servers, etc.)

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  88. Re:Making MS green... by duncan+bayne · · Score: 1

    Good one. You disagree, so you mod down. That's not the point of moderation, you know.

    Cretins.