An WRT to the size of field one needs to grow biodiesel (other posters....) - the question is, what do you need to make H2? Lots of energy coming from *somewhere*...
I think the parent poster mentioned this and dismissed wind/water because they weren't universally available. That's not really a valid reason since oil isn't universally available (or we wouldn't be dependent upon foreign producers). Just as we go to great expense to haul oil out of the ground and then ship it halfway around the world and then refine it, we can produce hydrogen in a few locations where wind/sun/waves are and ship it around the country/world (There's not a refinery in every population center). And if we're talking alternative energy sources being used to 'manufacture' hydrogen, many ocean locations not only have wind/sun/wave power available, but an abundant supply of raw material to work with. You could even build pipelines or canals to carry ocean water to Arizona/Nevada/Mexico (not that far from the pacific USA coast) where solar power could be used.
So why do so many of these people push for hydrogen? I believe it is because they want cars to be expensive...
I think it's just because hydrogen is 'sexier' than bio-fuels. Vehicles don't necessarily need to be more expensive to utilize hydrogen. You can modify a gasoline engine to burn hydrogen at a fairly low cost. Fuel cells don't have to be prohibitively priced either (else there'd be no talk of fuel cell 'batteries' for laptops). Your best arguments are for the ease of (or lack of need for) conversion in the distribution channel and the ability of the engines to run either bio or mineral during the transition phase.
Depends on what your measuring to determine what's clean doesn't it? I've also heard that biodiesel vehicles smell like the grease traps at fast food restaurants. We may or may not be able to breathe any easier, but we'll all develop terminal acne.
i laugh every time i hear about the next gen of autos comming from detroit. theyre not comming!
You are correct. They are not comming. They are coming.
look who is seriously pushing the next gen cars, Honda and Toyota. the american companies stage these shows so that they dont look too out of touch.
And you think the American auto mfgs. are only creating concept cars so that they don't look like they're out of the loop but are perfectly content to allow foreign mfgs. to further erode their market shares by bringing these concepts into production? I don't think so. Even if they're not willing or able to invent and build the next band wagon (and I'm not suggesting that is the case), I'm sure they're market savvy enough to jump on a big one as it rolls by.
GM was working on a hydrogen "blanket" (sopped in a hydrogen gel I think). The blanket lies under the rear seat and generates electricity through an electro-chemical reaction. It doesn't look bad either.
*Sigh* I think in the effort for everybody to prove me wrong (funny how Slashdot works like that), what I'm saying's being twisted.
I think it was the way you originally stated your premise rather than a desire to "prove you wrong" (not that I'm denying that sort of thing happens here).
I'd rather listen to Barry Manilow over Limp Bizkit and Eminem anyday!
Don't know if I'd like that mix. Are we talking Manilow melodies over an Eminem back-beat or what? Probably sound too much like the Pat Boone sings Acid Rock album awhile back....
At the risk of sounding like an insensitive racist jerk, what, exactly, has the US contributed positively to the net?
You may be an insensitive jerk, but tarring the whole of the US could hardly be racist. The US is comprised of many peoples from many ethnic origins.
You also seem to be having difficulty differentiating between spam/scam. While spelled similarly (note the second letter to tell them apart) they mean different things. A scam can also be a spam, but a spam does not always have to be a scam not does a scam necessarily have to be a spam. In point of fact, many scams are extremely well targeted (although many of these take place in meatspace) while spams as a rule are not. But I digress...
the Islamic countries that have substantial human rights problems usually have either a dictatorship or a monarchy (eg: Iraq, Saudi Arabia), or a pseudo-democracy (Syria, Iran).
While Iraq and the others you mention certainly have their problems I wasn't thinking of any of them. Your exceptions would both be closer to a theocracy as the clerics were in power in both Iran and Afghanistan at the time. Now that I think about it, I'm not sure if clerics are in power in two of the worst examples today (Sudan and Indonesia).
And also, why does everything have to be made into a computer of some sort?
Why does everyone think that just because it doesn't come in a beige box that it isn't a computer. Why just look at me for example.... No. Wait. I'm kinda beige. Bad example.
Some of these "freethinkers" have come to the conclusion that Israel is a racist theocracy no better than the WW2 German Nationialism that spawned it.
Hmmm. Israel has always seemed to me to be very secular as a society. There is a strong religious influence, but I think "theocracy" goes way beyond the reality. I think for a genuine "racist theocracy" you'd have to look to radical Islamic governments that are wiping out infidels at every turn. Israel can't really be considered a theocracy since the rabbi's aren't the rulers.
Is it legitimate (from your perspective as a student of the Talmud) to use one's influence to dissuade one's employer from using technology developed in Israel, if one has anti-Zionist beliefs?
Technology developed in Israel comes from the same source as political policy developed in Israel? If so, then you might have a case (logically, not necessarily from a religious perspective). The individuals who develop the technology may very well disagree with the policy. Why punish them? Does that cross the line from anti-Zionist beliefs to become just an excuse to exercise anti-Semitic policy?
Is the responsibility to the employer greater than the responsibility to personal conscience?
Any time you allow financial considerations (It's really not about your responsibility to the employer is it?) to compromise your convictions you've lost far more than you gain.
Now where's that "walking on water" ordinance again?
Maybe we could nail him for practicing medicine without a license. Oops. None of the physicians of the day are licensed....
How about feeding people.... No, that won't work.
I think the religious elite of the day were having the same difficulty and that's why they paid false witnesses to give testimoney (spelling intentional) to his acts of insurrection.
I think the difference was supposed to be communicated is that Linux developers are not in a position to do harm based on market strength, monopolistic practices and the like. I don't even think that Linux frightens MS the way a lot of others do. Memos like this are not evidence they are running scared but confirmation that they won't be satisfied until they own it all.
...it's a COMIC BOOK. Physics are supposed to be off.
Not only that, but if you look back to some of the Steve Ditko artwork for Spidey. Aspects are off and limbs are twisted into unnatural positions. But the worst offender by far was Frank Robbins (on Captain America) back in the 80's(?).... Whoo buddy, arms and legs flailing like ragdolls in a mixmaster! I think he was trying to mimic Kirby on crack or something.
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An WRT to the size of field one needs to grow biodiesel (other posters....) - the question is, what do you need to make H2? Lots of energy coming from *somewhere*...
I think the parent poster mentioned this and dismissed wind/water because they weren't universally available. That's not really a valid reason since oil isn't universally available (or we wouldn't be dependent upon foreign producers). Just as we go to great expense to haul oil out of the ground and then ship it halfway around the world and then refine it, we can produce hydrogen in a few locations where wind/sun/waves are and ship it around the country/world (There's not a refinery in every population center). And if we're talking alternative energy sources being used to 'manufacture' hydrogen, many ocean locations not only have wind/sun/wave power available, but an abundant supply of raw material to work with. You could even build pipelines or canals to carry ocean water to Arizona/Nevada/Mexico (not that far from the pacific USA coast) where solar power could be used.
So why do so many of these people push for hydrogen? I believe it is because they want cars to be expensive...
I think it's just because hydrogen is 'sexier' than bio-fuels. Vehicles don't necessarily need to be more expensive to utilize hydrogen. You can modify a gasoline engine to burn hydrogen at a fairly low cost. Fuel cells don't have to be prohibitively priced either (else there'd be no talk of fuel cell 'batteries' for laptops). Your best arguments are for the ease of (or lack of need for) conversion in the distribution channel and the ability of the engines to run either bio or mineral during the transition phase.
:g/your/s//you're/
Depends on what your measuring to determine what's clean doesn't it? I've also heard that biodiesel vehicles smell like the grease traps at fast food restaurants. We may or may not be able to breathe any easier, but we'll all develop terminal acne.
i laugh every time i hear about the next gen of autos comming from detroit. theyre not comming!
You are correct. They are not comming. They are coming.
look who is seriously pushing the next gen cars, Honda and Toyota. the american companies stage these shows so that they dont look too out of touch.
And you think the American auto mfgs. are only creating concept cars so that they don't look like they're out of the loop but are perfectly content to allow foreign mfgs. to further erode their market shares by bringing these concepts into production? I don't think so. Even if they're not willing or able to invent and build the next band wagon (and I'm not suggesting that is the case), I'm sure they're market savvy enough to jump on a big one as it rolls by.
GM was working on a hydrogen "blanket" (sopped in a hydrogen gel I think). The blanket lies under the rear seat and generates electricity through an electro-chemical reaction. It doesn't look bad either.
*Sigh* I think in the effort for everybody to prove me wrong (funny how Slashdot works like that), what I'm saying's being twisted.
I think it was the way you originally stated your premise rather than a desire to "prove you wrong" (not that I'm denying that sort of thing happens here).
I'd write more but that's pretty much my entire point.
Dang! Where'd you come from?
I'd rather listen to Barry Manilow over Limp Bizkit and Eminem anyday!
Don't know if I'd like that mix. Are we talking Manilow melodies over an Eminem back-beat or what? Probably sound too much like the Pat Boone sings Acid Rock album awhile back....
I missed the part in the article where they said the contest was limited to moronic hackers....
At the risk of sounding like an insensitive racist jerk, what, exactly, has the US contributed positively to the net?
You may be an insensitive jerk, but tarring the whole of the US could hardly be racist. The US is comprised of many peoples from many ethnic origins.
You also seem to be having difficulty differentiating between spam/scam. While spelled similarly (note the second letter to tell them apart) they mean different things. A scam can also be a spam, but a spam does not always have to be a scam not does a scam necessarily have to be a spam. In point of fact, many scams are extremely well targeted (although many of these take place in meatspace) while spams as a rule are not. But I digress...
the Islamic countries that have substantial human rights problems usually have either a dictatorship or a monarchy (eg: Iraq, Saudi Arabia), or a pseudo-democracy (Syria, Iran).
While Iraq and the others you mention certainly have their problems I wasn't thinking of any of them. Your exceptions would both be closer to a theocracy as the clerics were in power in both Iran and Afghanistan at the time. Now that I think about it, I'm not sure if clerics are in power in two of the worst examples today (Sudan and Indonesia).
And also, why does everything have to be made into a computer of some sort?
Why does everyone think that just because it doesn't come in a beige box that it isn't a computer. Why just look at me for example.... No. Wait. I'm kinda beige. Bad example.
Also check out Wired Magazine's article on Wolfram and his contention that everything can be broken down into just a few lines of simple code.
Some of these "freethinkers" have come to the conclusion that Israel is a racist theocracy no better than the WW2 German Nationialism that spawned it.
Hmmm. Israel has always seemed to me to be very secular as a society. There is a strong religious influence, but I think "theocracy" goes way beyond the reality. I think for a genuine "racist theocracy" you'd have to look to radical Islamic governments that are wiping out infidels at every turn. Israel can't really be considered a theocracy since the rabbi's aren't the rulers.
Is it legitimate (from your perspective as a student of the Talmud) to use one's influence to dissuade one's employer from using technology developed in Israel, if one has anti-Zionist beliefs?
Technology developed in Israel comes from the same source as political policy developed in Israel? If so, then you might have a case (logically, not necessarily from a religious perspective). The individuals who develop the technology may very well disagree with the policy. Why punish them? Does that cross the line from anti-Zionist beliefs to become just an excuse to exercise anti-Semitic policy?
Is the responsibility to the employer greater than the responsibility to personal conscience?
Any time you allow financial considerations (It's really not about your responsibility to the employer is it?) to compromise your convictions you've lost far more than you gain.
Everything Jesus did was illegal.
Now where's that "walking on water" ordinance again?
Maybe we could nail him for practicing medicine without a license. Oops. None of the physicians of the day are licensed....
How about feeding people.... No, that won't work.
I think the religious elite of the day were having the same difficulty and that's why they paid false witnesses to give testimoney (spelling intentional) to his acts of insurrection.
....everyone used Napster to pirate the latest and greatest from Eminem, and our favorite homeboys of LimpBizkit.
Greatest? Eminem? LimpBizkit? All in the same sentence?
Hah! Your tastes are apalling. Everyone knows that Napster was the best place to grab the latest Barry Manilow stuff!
How about, "He was 'conducted' to the afterlife."
Only RMS, or a mindless idiot, could possibly agree with ALL of RMS' views.
Somtimes I'm not sure that RMS agrees with all of RMS' views....
I think the difference was supposed to be communicated is that Linux developers are not in a position to do harm based on market strength, monopolistic practices and the like. I don't even think that Linux frightens MS the way a lot of others do. Memos like this are not evidence they are running scared but confirmation that they won't be satisfied until they own it all.
Of course you will have to power it via the static electricity generated while using a hula hoop while wearing a polyester leisure suit.
Even if you can't afford it, a public defender should suffice to clear you of these absurd charges.
If they were criminal charges and if the company was an individual and if they could show that they were indigent you might be right.
So at the end who looks like the one caught with their pants down ?
Our beloved patent office who handed over the patents!
--> Your Wisecrack Here
That's good.... at the end.... pants down.... Wisecrack....
Not only that, but if you look back to some of the Steve Ditko artwork for Spidey. Aspects are off and limbs are twisted into unnatural positions.
Kind of like I twisted that one line into two incomplete sentences....
...it's a COMIC BOOK. Physics are supposed to be off.
Not only that, but if you look back to some of the Steve Ditko artwork for Spidey. Aspects are off and limbs are twisted into unnatural positions. But the worst offender by far was Frank Robbins (on Captain America) back in the 80's(?).... Whoo buddy, arms and legs flailing like ragdolls in a mixmaster! I think he was trying to mimic Kirby on crack or something.