I thought I might plug an other topic I'd worked on, the so called devel() dependencies: http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/Rpm DevelDependencies
In this buildoutput you can see why these devel() dependencies are needed: http://anorien.csc.warwick.ac.uk/build/i5 86/fedora _urpmi/BO/problem/perl-URPM-0.95-2mdk
As the rpm-devel package on Fedora doesn't Require all the packages that are needed to be able to build something with it.
This is the install log for the package on Fedora: http://anorien.csc.warwick.ac.uk/build/i5 86/fedora _urpmi/urpmi/perl-URPM-0.96-1mdk
This is the one for Mandrake: http://anorien.csc.warwick.ac.uk/build/ i586/cooker _main/urpmi/perl-URPM-0.96-1mdk
As you can see, the same BuildRequires on a Mandrake system pulls in all the packages required.
I've been looking at apt, yum to include support for them in slbd. It's been quite a strugle, since both apt and yum don't have the featureset that urpmi currently has and I'm using:
- Chroot support (configurable with an option like --root); - Media support (configurable with an option like --media cooker_main,cooker_contrib). With yum and apt it seems to be possible, but then you need to point them at a different configuration file; - Speed. On my Fedora box urpmi is *much* faster than yum. Yum seems to need to recheck all the header files before it'll do anything. Urpmi just goes and does it; - being able to query dependencies to find the "redundant" dependencies (less BuildRequires = better).
We're also working on the alpha port. Take a look at this page. E-mailing sympa@linux-mandrake.com with "SUB cooker-axp" in the body will start you on the road to beta-testerhood.)...
This happens all the time. With RedHat 6.2 the alpha version was released later than the x86 version. I think most Linux distro's show the same behaviour: develop & release for x86, then patch up & release the "weird" ports. The x86 version is the one that brings in the $$$. Give them some time...
Well, I've been doing some packaging (rpms) lately and noticed the following issues:
The quality of the packages is often bad. The packages included in distributions are mostly good, but the contrib packages need work. For example: - During the build packages often install directly into the "production" filesystem, with the chance that things get left behind (filesystem polution). - During the build packages try things like "install -o root " which can only be done by root. Users aren't able to build the package.
There is no "central" contrib repository. I beleive this is needed. So much work is being duplicated by the different distributions in this area. As far as I can judge, distro's aren't making money on contribs, so why can't a joint effort into a contrib repository be started? (Nice web interface, latest package (for different systems / distro's, latest available TGZ, status of build on multiple platforms {alpha, sparc, x86} etc. etc.). Something like rpmfind.net?
A compatible packager, or a standard in packaging (not only covering Linux, but also the other unices) would be nice, but let's face it, can it be done?
If you're looking for some guidelines on building rpms, take a look at: http://www.linux-mandrake.com/howtos/mdk-rpm/
The way I see it, concerning Hong Kong, nothing has changed. There's still a border between HK and China and the same rules are being enforced as before. HK (to me) is effectively a seperate state.
China on the other hand is a funny place (I just came back from a short visit to China this week, it's very beautifull out there).
China has it's government, and the people. I see them as 2 different things. The people where (unfortunately??) born there, and have to live with the circumstances of their environment. They are friendly and smart people, and just want the best for their family and themselves. Most of them are not interested in politics.
Politics and the government concerning: They have (used to have --> it's rapidly changeing) a "different" system than the US, or ours (the Dutch). That doesn't mean that they're WRONG. They're just DIFFERENT. We need to accept that other governments do things in a DIFFERENT way. We have no right to push our opinion uppon them (something that even Clinton needs to learn). Eventhough they may not have ellegant sollutions to all of their problems. Let's just hope that they're learning from their mistakes.
The government has had it's ups and downs. They've made their mistakes, and we can punnish them for that forever. But where will that get us? My point is, every government makes mistakes, the US government, my government (the Dutch), and also the Chinese. I'm not saying that it's right to crack down on people, but sometimes it makes sense in their system. (I'm going to get flamed for this). I beleive the chinese gov. has chosen for a more controled & relaxed way to freedom. They don't want to make the same mistakes the russians made and get the chaos that that caused. They want to do things in a controlled way. The Special Economic Zones in the south, and more relaxed regulations are part of this plan. HK is also evendence of it. China is keeping HK the way it is, to learn from the way it works, and to slowly copy it to it's own cities. ShangHai is a good example.
It's also the reason why internet is restricted / censored in China. The government wants to keep things under control. They beleive that it's the best way to to things, and we have to respect that opninion. Eventually time will tell.
Let's help the chinese by embraceing them in the world of Linux. Give them the ability to use computers (without paying M$ $$$). Help them open their eyes. There are so many bright people out there that could benifit alot from Linux.
Please don't punnish the Chinese people just because they live in that country. They deserve better.
In the mean time, learn more about China and it's rich history. Go visit the place, there are some very beautifull places to visit (I've just been up to the WuJi Mountains, very very nice).
And stop spitting out the typical yankee "we are right, and whoever's different is wrong" opinion.
Slashdot Mirror
Lets see..things Linux could add to Solaris:
1. Group quota's (or has this been added recently?)
Broken link:
o ra _urpmi/BO/problem/perl-URPM-0.96-1mdk
http://anorien.csc.warwick.ac.uk/build/i586/fed
I thought I might plug an other topic I'd worked on, the so called devel() dependencies: http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/Rpm DevelDependencies
5 86/fedora _urpmi/BO/problem/perl-URPM-0.95-2mdk
5 86/fedora _urpmi/urpmi/perl-URPM-0.96-1mdk
/ i586/cooker _main/urpmi/perl-URPM-0.96-1mdk
In this buildoutput you can see why these devel() dependencies are needed:
http://anorien.csc.warwick.ac.uk/build/i
As the rpm-devel package on Fedora doesn't Require all the packages that are needed to be able to build something with it.
This is the install log for the package on Fedora:
http://anorien.csc.warwick.ac.uk/build/i
This is the one for Mandrake:
http://anorien.csc.warwick.ac.uk/build
As you can see, the same BuildRequires on a Mandrake system pulls in all the packages required.
I've been looking at apt, yum to include support for them in slbd. It's been quite a strugle, since both apt and yum don't have the featureset that urpmi currently has and I'm using:
- Chroot support (configurable with an option like --root);
- Media support (configurable with an option like --media cooker_main,cooker_contrib). With yum and apt it seems to be possible, but then you need to point them at a different configuration file;
- Speed. On my Fedora box urpmi is *much* faster than yum. Yum seems to need to recheck all the header files before it'll do anything. Urpmi just goes and does it;
- being able to query dependencies to find the "redundant" dependencies (less BuildRequires = better).
Regards,
Stefan van der Eijk (author of slbd)
We're also working on the alpha port. Take a look at this page. E-mailing sympa@linux-mandrake.com with "SUB cooker-axp" in the body will start you on the road to beta-testerhood.)...
This happens all the time. With RedHat 6.2 the alpha version was released later than the x86 version. I think most Linux distro's show the same behaviour: develop & release for x86, then patch up & release the "weird" ports. The x86 version is the one that brings in the $$$. Give them some time...
Well, I've been doing some packaging (rpms) lately and noticed the following issues:
The quality of the packages is often bad. The packages included in distributions are mostly good, but the contrib packages need work. For example:
- During the build packages often install directly into the "production" filesystem, with the chance that things get left behind (filesystem polution).
- During the build packages try things like "install -o root " which can only be done by root. Users aren't able to build the package.
There is no "central" contrib repository. I beleive this is needed. So much work is being duplicated by the different distributions in this area. As far as I can judge, distro's aren't making money on contribs, so why can't a joint effort into a contrib repository be started? (Nice web interface, latest package (for different systems / distro's, latest available TGZ, status of build on multiple platforms {alpha, sparc, x86} etc. etc.). Something like rpmfind.net?
A compatible packager, or a standard in packaging (not only covering Linux, but also the other unices) would be nice, but let's face it, can it be done?
If you're looking for some guidelines on building rpms, take a look at: http://www.linux-mandrake.com/howtos/mdk-rpm/
Stefan
The way I see it, concerning Hong Kong, nothing has changed. There's still a border between HK and China and the same rules are being enforced as before. HK (to me) is effectively a seperate state.
China on the other hand is a funny place (I just came back from a short visit to China this week, it's very beautifull out there).
China has it's government, and the people. I see them as 2 different things. The people where (unfortunately??) born there, and have to live with the circumstances of their environment. They are friendly and smart people, and just want the best for their family and themselves. Most of them are not interested in politics.
Politics and the government concerning: They have (used to have --> it's rapidly changeing) a "different" system than the US, or ours (the Dutch). That doesn't mean that they're WRONG. They're just DIFFERENT. We need to accept that other governments do things in a DIFFERENT way. We have no right to push our opinion uppon them (something that even Clinton needs to learn). Eventhough they may not have ellegant sollutions to all of their problems. Let's just hope that they're learning from their mistakes.
The government has had it's ups and downs. They've made their mistakes, and we can punnish them for that forever. But where will that get us? My point is, every government makes mistakes, the US government, my government (the Dutch), and also the Chinese. I'm not saying that it's right to crack down on people, but sometimes it makes sense in their system. (I'm going to get flamed for this). I beleive the chinese gov. has chosen for a more controled & relaxed way to freedom. They don't want to make the same mistakes the russians made and get the chaos that that caused. They want to do things in a controlled way. The Special Economic Zones in the south, and more relaxed regulations are part of this plan. HK is also evendence of it. China is keeping HK the way it is, to learn from the way it works, and to slowly copy it to it's own cities. ShangHai is a good example.
It's also the reason why internet is restricted / censored in China. The government wants to keep things under control. They beleive that it's the best way to to things, and we have to respect that opninion. Eventually time will tell.
Let's help the chinese by embraceing them in the world of Linux. Give them the ability to use computers (without paying M$ $$$). Help them open their eyes. There are so many bright people out there that could benifit alot from Linux.
Please don't punnish the Chinese people just because they live in that country. They deserve better.
In the mean time, learn more about China and it's rich history. Go visit the place, there are some very beautifull places to visit (I've just been up to the WuJi Mountains, very very nice).
And stop spitting out the typical yankee "we are right, and whoever's different is wrong" opinion.
That's my $0.02
Stefan
Every time some cool hardware is mentioned, the person writing the item wants to have it... My next box is gonna B a ....
/. which machines would they REALLY want if they had to choose 2 machines??
I'm wondering... of the people that regularly contribute to
One as a server and one as a workstation...
Stefan van der Eijk