My concern is that they will be pushed on people by profit hungry companies before they really become viable. There will be a subset of people that wants to do self driving at any cost and simply won't care if they are inconveniencing others. This is why self driving car companies need to be penalized for breaking the rules of the road as a deterrent to selling these things until they are absolutely sure they are ready.
Yeah I'm not interested in renting a car for a road trip. You haven't seen what my kids can do to a back seat, and I don't want to be beholden to the fees I may incur simply to remove a stain.
Right and people will be people. Inconsistency allows it to work most of the time. If we say an automated car can be made in a certain way though, suddenly you have thousands of cars on the road that will drive consistently slowly. That will be a problem.
I thought you were talking top speed, not acceleration. I can't tell you how quickly a 100hp car would accelerate off the top of my head, but it is sure annoying when you get behind someone who seems reluctant to get to the speed limit as quickly as possible.
But are 70-80% of the people going to be willing to buy a car that will preclude them from ever being able to do long distance trips? That is the real question. My ICE I drive to work 95% of the time, but I also want to be able to do a long distance trip with it so I will still buy an ICE. Just because a vehicle meets people's needs most of the time it doesn't mean they will be willing to limit themselves from the other 20%.
We're talking about how some cars will have less power and thus accelerate slower. They may reach full speed but it may take them a full block to do so, meaning from light to light it may not happen.
Right but all these people are still going to be on the same road at once.. so how do we keep the people with slow car needs from holding up the others?
So no one will need to pull a trailer? People buy cars that are 300hp because they are fun to drive, not because it is necessary for driving. This will not change with automated cars.
You may want to live more of your life in your car but I don't. I am no good to my family if I am in a car traveling home from work. The faster it can get me to where I need to go the better, so it is a much more useful objective for an automatic car to go faster not slower. Also one thing you are not taking into consideration is that there will be a mix of manual and automatic cars on the road, so how expensive will it be to redesign the roads so that the slow manual cars don't hold up the faster ones?
Goes further on what? Houses prices have doubled where I am in the last decade, and food prices have gone up. I may be able to buy a phone or a TV for cheaper but those mean very little unless the basic necessities follow that trend. How will technology make it cheaper to purchase a plot of land in a place where a large developer bought it all up 25 years ago? Perhaps I could if my company would allow me to work remotely instead of living in a major area, but alas, that is a major no no and companies won't do it. Why does a Chevy Malibu cost slightly more today than it did in 1970 if automation makes such a huge difference? You seem to not be seeing the forest for the trees.
Whatever gets me closer to a car that materializes in my driveway as soon as I open my front door, which will be tailored to meet all my requirements for a vehicle and take me everywhere I want to go for a $1. Since this is what people seem to think this will turn into.
Is it really a shock that the human race is full of a bunch of morally corrupt douche bags? You allow people to post anything you want and that's what you are going to get.
In the last 30 years,, salaries have not gone up.. because of technology. Yet most CEOs make 5x of what they did just 30 years ago. Globalization only moved this trend further along. So I hope you're right, but I don't think you are. Uber and Google are not working on self-driving for the good of mankind, they are working on it for profit.
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If they are causing accidents then they are not ready to be tested on public roads, period. So they have flopped.
My concern is that they will be pushed on people by profit hungry companies before they really become viable. There will be a subset of people that wants to do self driving at any cost and simply won't care if they are inconveniencing others. This is why self driving car companies need to be penalized for breaking the rules of the road as a deterrent to selling these things until they are absolutely sure they are ready.
Just so you know, here is what driving with self driving cars is going to be like: https://tech.slashdot.org/stor...
Then that's fine. You were talking about minimizing the horsepower. If it is enough horsepower to come up to speed quickly then fine.
Yeah I'm not interested in renting a car for a road trip. You haven't seen what my kids can do to a back seat, and I don't want to be beholden to the fees I may incur simply to remove a stain.
Right and people will be people. Inconsistency allows it to work most of the time. If we say an automated car can be made in a certain way though, suddenly you have thousands of cars on the road that will drive consistently slowly. That will be a problem.
I thought you were talking top speed, not acceleration. I can't tell you how quickly a 100hp car would accelerate off the top of my head, but it is sure annoying when you get behind someone who seems reluctant to get to the speed limit as quickly as possible.
But are 70-80% of the people going to be willing to buy a car that will preclude them from ever being able to do long distance trips? That is the real question. My ICE I drive to work 95% of the time, but I also want to be able to do a long distance trip with it so I will still buy an ICE. Just because a vehicle meets people's needs most of the time it doesn't mean they will be willing to limit themselves from the other 20%.
It doesn't change the fact that the cost of a car hasn't changed.
We're talking about how some cars will have less power and thus accelerate slower. They may reach full speed but it may take them a full block to do so, meaning from light to light it may not happen.
I thought EVs were going to solve that problem? EVs will be mainstream before self driving cars are.
Right but all these people are still going to be on the same road at once.. so how do we keep the people with slow car needs from holding up the others?
Oh, and people say zipcars are so wonderful.. Thanks for the info.
So no one will need to pull a trailer? People buy cars that are 300hp because they are fun to drive, not because it is necessary for driving. This will not change with automated cars.
We do have slowly accelerating vehicles in the winter when it is icy, and trust me, that makes traffic worse.
I choose not to live in a place where I have to put up with that.
You may want to live more of your life in your car but I don't. I am no good to my family if I am in a car traveling home from work. The faster it can get me to where I need to go the better, so it is a much more useful objective for an automatic car to go faster not slower. Also one thing you are not taking into consideration is that there will be a mix of manual and automatic cars on the road, so how expensive will it be to redesign the roads so that the slow manual cars don't hold up the faster ones?
That's the problem, you won't be thinking about all the people with manual cars driving behind you. Cars like that will need a special lane.
Goes further on what? Houses prices have doubled where I am in the last decade, and food prices have gone up. I may be able to buy a phone or a TV for cheaper but those mean very little unless the basic necessities follow that trend. How will technology make it cheaper to purchase a plot of land in a place where a large developer bought it all up 25 years ago? Perhaps I could if my company would allow me to work remotely instead of living in a major area, but alas, that is a major no no and companies won't do it. Why does a Chevy Malibu cost slightly more today than it did in 1970 if automation makes such a huge difference? You seem to not be seeing the forest for the trees.
Touche.
Most of those people can spell 95% of the words correctly. That's quite a high bar.
Whatever gets me closer to a car that materializes in my driveway as soon as I open my front door, which will be tailored to meet all my requirements for a vehicle and take me everywhere I want to go for a $1. Since this is what people seem to think this will turn into.
Slashdot doesn't cater to the lowest common denominator, because a lot of them don't like to read.
Is it really a shock that the human race is full of a bunch of morally corrupt douche bags? You allow people to post anything you want and that's what you are going to get.
In the last 30 years,, salaries have not gone up.. because of technology. Yet most CEOs make 5x of what they did just 30 years ago. Globalization only moved this trend further along. So I hope you're right, but I don't think you are. Uber and Google are not working on self-driving for the good of mankind, they are working on it for profit.