If you think that half of the people out there will buy an EV then you are vastly overestimating how useful they are for the price. Just saying, the market is being vastly overestimated for people who live in such a bubble that they only make short trips from home day after day, or people who can afford $20K+ for a second vehicle.
How do you know ahead of time what power density you need? Where I live people fairly often get stuck in snow. People fairly often go off the highway into the ditch. Almost all my buddies growing up during the time did ice fishing, snowmobiling, etc etc, all in -30C. Someone was always getting someone else out of the ditch. Quite frankly I don't want to be the one looking out my window because there is a foot of snow on the ground, or having to stick to the highway because I have to carefully plan my battery power. There are real life situations all the time that need something more than an EV and you cannot plan them.
What do EV owners do if their house power is out? We lost power for three days last year because of a wind storm and I did a lot of driving around at that time. Mostly going back and forth for gas for my generator.
Your weekend trips are only "not a problem" because you don't mind finding a charging station and maybe waiting an hour if they are busy. For many people who want to get to their destination, this is a big problem.
My vehicle is the second most expensive item I will ever own, you had better bet damn well it should meet my uses! I went for an SUV instead of a truck myself. The sacrifice I made for that is I have to pay to deliver drywall and plywood to my house so that has cost me around $800 since we are doing a lot of renovations, but if I had an EV it would easily be over $2000 by now just for deliveries because we can fit a lot in our SUV.
It would be sheer insanity to pay that much for a vehicle that didn't meet all my needs for the life of that vehicle. Commercialism at its worst.
One, you can't just plug into any outlet you see; there has to be expressed permission to use electricity at a business or a hotel. That's beside the point anyway because it has been well established that the time penalty for using any of those plugs is too high. Why do I have to keep repeating this.
Furthermore, buy an EV and they may not be having problems today, but you're going to have that car for 6 years. What will it be like 6 years from now when more people have the cars and people lose interest in building the stations?
We're not claiming EVs are unusable. We're claiming that a person has to be fairly comfortable making compromises on long range trips to use an EV for one.
You know what, maybe the minority are seeing the issues that are going to occur for the vast majority if they start to rush into buying an EV without really thinking about it first.
Why does every EV person parrot this bullshit? I have a path for you to walk barefoot that is lined with feathers 95% of the time but lined with nails 5% of the time. It's easy!
You know, none of this really matters anyway. Life on Earth simply won't work if companies are allowed to leverage resources to the extent that they become the only company. Furthermore, there can be no capitalism either; so why go down this rabbit hole.
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If you think that half of the people out there will buy an EV then you are vastly overestimating how useful they are for the price. Just saying, the market is being vastly overestimated for people who live in such a bubble that they only make short trips from home day after day, or people who can afford $20K+ for a second vehicle.
How do you know ahead of time what power density you need? Where I live people fairly often get stuck in snow. People fairly often go off the highway into the ditch. Almost all my buddies growing up during the time did ice fishing, snowmobiling, etc etc, all in -30C. Someone was always getting someone else out of the ditch. Quite frankly I don't want to be the one looking out my window because there is a foot of snow on the ground, or having to stick to the highway because I have to carefully plan my battery power. There are real life situations all the time that need something more than an EV and you cannot plan them.
Ok so you need to step on one nail. I think the point still stands.
What do EV owners do if their house power is out? We lost power for three days last year because of a wind storm and I did a lot of driving around at that time. Mostly going back and forth for gas for my generator.
I'm pretty close to a major city but we got a three day power outage from a wind storm last year.
What are those people doing in the other 20% of the time? Maybe wanting to go for a long trip in their expensive family vehicle?
Well good, you bought and EV and it works for you. All I'm trying to say is that they don't work for most.
Your weekend trips are only "not a problem" because you don't mind finding a charging station and maybe waiting an hour if they are busy. For many people who want to get to their destination, this is a big problem.
My vehicle is the second most expensive item I will ever own, you had better bet damn well it should meet my uses! I went for an SUV instead of a truck myself. The sacrifice I made for that is I have to pay to deliver drywall and plywood to my house so that has cost me around $800 since we are doing a lot of renovations, but if I had an EV it would easily be over $2000 by now just for deliveries because we can fit a lot in our SUV.
It would be sheer insanity to pay that much for a vehicle that didn't meet all my needs for the life of that vehicle. Commercialism at its worst.
"It's not unreasonable to expect someone to be willing to stop for 30-40 minutes after 4 hours of driving to each and recharge."
I beg to differ.
One, you can't just plug into any outlet you see; there has to be expressed permission to use electricity at a business or a hotel. That's beside the point anyway because it has been well established that the time penalty for using any of those plugs is too high. Why do I have to keep repeating this.
Because many people use cars more than 200km away from their home at least 1% of the time.
Is that with the heat full while you are driving?
Stop parroting this. We know people can charge in their garages, the whole discussion is about when you don't have your garage handy.
Yeah one thing I don't need vendor lock in on is my filling station.
Furthermore, buy an EV and they may not be having problems today, but you're going to have that car for 6 years. What will it be like 6 years from now when more people have the cars and people lose interest in building the stations?
We're not claiming EVs are unusable. We're claiming that a person has to be fairly comfortable making compromises on long range trips to use an EV for one.
You know what, maybe the minority are seeing the issues that are going to occur for the vast majority if they start to rush into buying an EV without really thinking about it first.
You will still be tethered to your home or a place with a plug, and that concept makes a lot of people uncomfortable. It is a loss of freedom.
My wife and I just stop on the shoulder and switch places if it is that bad.
How many animals and/or young kids do you travel with?
Cold takes away 40% of the range, so could easily be stopping less than every 2 hours.
Why does every EV person parrot this bullshit? I have a path for you to walk barefoot that is lined with feathers 95% of the time but lined with nails 5% of the time. It's easy!
You know, none of this really matters anyway. Life on Earth simply won't work if companies are allowed to leverage resources to the extent that they become the only company. Furthermore, there can be no capitalism either; so why go down this rabbit hole.
So what if a person has $10000 in iOS apps? Spotify just isn't allowed to reach those people?