Just out of interest, how many videos are there of Elon or other Tesla employees saying that the car will be dangerous if not paid attention to? How many media publications has Tesla released? Only putting it on page one of the manual is just as bad as all those software EULAs that people check and surely the companies know they don't read them. Telsa's hard sell way out of balance with the education that they should have been giving their customers. Do they even have anything signed that proves each and every customer read the manual?
Perhaps we need to look more into the safety of these trucks, but all a truck driver can do is look for the safest exit. The length of the vehicle is too great to be able to pull our without interfering with traffic all the time. Sure, if banning semi-trailers is the answer or only having them drive at night I'm all for that, but the economy might disagree with you.
How many times does a pilot have to shut off autopilot when flying from New York to LA? They get in the air and turn it on and leave it on until they are almost at their destination. This is very clearly NOT how Tesla autopilot works. The beginning is the same, you have to get to a clear road and turn it on, but I've never ever had a pilot have to shut off autopilot because they had to stop for a trailer.
Lol.. thank you I'm just sitting here with my morning coffee and you gave me a good laugh. CEOs of companies absolutely need to understand the demographic they're selling to.
Yes and they will of course extend this technology at cost to their customers. They wouldn't do anything like put the tech in a luxury car and mark it up 100x would they? That's not what is supposed to happen in capitalism is it?
You mean as opposed to US companies with a 'no telecommuting' rule for US citizens but having no issues with cheaper labor working remotely from India? An equal footing would be nice.
I'd say that needs to be 275 million miles of dedicated autonomous driving. You can't cherry pick just the highways, but the driver must take control if there is a detour or something. A safe trip should be a safe trip uninterrupted, from beginning to end.
Personally, I think the number shouldn't even be compared to US average driver fatalities. They are releasing a driving service, compare it to the safety of other professional driving services like buses and limos. When I get in a bus, the most remote thing in my mind is that I will be injured in an accident, and the bus drives through much more hazardous traffic then Autopilot does.
So by your own words, now we know better. Musk knows better or he wouldn't be so defensive about this whole thing. Only idiots repeat mistakes made in the past.
Technology allows us to test these things in simulators and on closed courses before releasing them to the public. Of course that would cost more, but that shouldn't be a problem for Elon since he is so altruistic.
Except Uber isn't a replacement for a car until they can predict when you're going to step out your front door and be in your driveway by the time you get there.
Yes and I'm sure the cost to make automatic windshield wipers and adaptive headlights is very low as well, yet they only make their way into a $60K+ car.
How many years will it take for the automated car to be affordable for the common person? I can't afford a car with even the most minimal of automation right now save for standard cruise control. Did anyone catch the article on how the average family can't afford most cars as it is? Most people don't even see the point of buying a new car, much less an automated new car. Saving lives with automation is a pipe dream until there is a plan to make these something that everyone can buy which isn't going to happen any time soon. Stop making it an excuse to kill people with experimentation.
It doesn't matter. People are idiots and should be treated as such. Tesla is doing the equivalent of giving a baby a can of soda. You may say it's not illegal to give your baby soda, it won't stop people from cringing in disgust every time they see a parent doing it because it's just a dumb thing to do.
Nothing is going to be perfect. You haven't given any proof that what Uber does as effective as what the taxi companies do. Without knowing how many crimes there were by taxi drivers without fingerprinting, you cannot say that the fingerprinting is not helping, just that it isn't perfect. I can see however how an Uber driver would not want a comment like 'driver raped me' on his account; assuming that there is no way around having customers see the comments that people make. Having someone rate you one star won't prevent anything.
Controls more often prevent corruption than assist it. For example, there are controls on how people can build houses because if there aren't they will be building substandard houses that look like luxury houses and selling them as luxury houses. The controls on taxis that are being abused is the fact that there are limited numbers of cars on the road. This protects me as a driver of my own vehicle because there is less vehicle congestion, so I have no issue with this control.
I'm not going to argue this any longer.. All I'll say is I myself have been pissed off by a truck pulling out in front of me, and in then I looked around and it was pulling out from a parking lot with one exit onto a busy street that didn't have the 100 feet of spacing between cars that it would have needed to proceed without cutting someone off. It kind of made me wonder at the time why they designed trucks that way, that were so cumbersome to drive. The answer of course is that they are economical for transportation and money talks. Perhaps there are some situations where a truck driver could go around some long way without any cars, but in the city I live in there aren't often many choices. If the street on the first side is busy, all the streets in the area will.
1) Many people have said that 'autopilot' to them means driving
2) YouTube videos of Elon Musk's wife closing eyes while driving.
3) Tesla markets this like it is the most amazing thing ever, thus leading people to believe it does something amazing (driving on it's own) which it does not.
Well so far I haven't been able to afford a car with even the most minor of automated features, and the difference is way beyond the cost of insurance. I'm not sure how you make the leap to automated cars being affordable for the common person, even if insurance is free. All you're doing is costing people out of being able to drive. Which would be safer, but not a realistic solution.
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I'm wondering how it would handle detours myself.
Just out of interest, how many videos are there of Elon or other Tesla employees saying that the car will be dangerous if not paid attention to? How many media publications has Tesla released? Only putting it on page one of the manual is just as bad as all those software EULAs that people check and surely the companies know they don't read them. Telsa's hard sell way out of balance with the education that they should have been giving their customers. Do they even have anything signed that proves each and every customer read the manual?
Perhaps we need to look more into the safety of these trucks, but all a truck driver can do is look for the safest exit. The length of the vehicle is too great to be able to pull our without interfering with traffic all the time. Sure, if banning semi-trailers is the answer or only having them drive at night I'm all for that, but the economy might disagree with you.
How many times does a pilot have to shut off autopilot when flying from New York to LA? They get in the air and turn it on and leave it on until they are almost at their destination. This is very clearly NOT how Tesla autopilot works. The beginning is the same, you have to get to a clear road and turn it on, but I've never ever had a pilot have to shut off autopilot because they had to stop for a trailer.
Lol.. thank you I'm just sitting here with my morning coffee and you gave me a good laugh. CEOs of companies absolutely need to understand the demographic they're selling to.
You don't consider a vastly reduced chance of being seen at the sight of the bombing by either witness or camera to be a positive for the bomber?
Yes and they will of course extend this technology at cost to their customers. They wouldn't do anything like put the tech in a luxury car and mark it up 100x would they? That's not what is supposed to happen in capitalism is it?
You mean as opposed to US companies with a 'no telecommuting' rule for US citizens but having no issues with cheaper labor working remotely from India? An equal footing would be nice.
I'd say that needs to be 275 million miles of dedicated autonomous driving. You can't cherry pick just the highways, but the driver must take control if there is a detour or something. A safe trip should be a safe trip uninterrupted, from beginning to end.
The idea of a car that connects to anything outside the car scares me on its own. How exactly have they prevented any kind of hacking?
Personally, I think the number shouldn't even be compared to US average driver fatalities. They are releasing a driving service, compare it to the safety of other professional driving services like buses and limos. When I get in a bus, the most remote thing in my mind is that I will be injured in an accident, and the bus drives through much more hazardous traffic then Autopilot does.
So by your own words, now we know better. Musk knows better or he wouldn't be so defensive about this whole thing. Only idiots repeat mistakes made in the past.
Technology allows us to test these things in simulators and on closed courses before releasing them to the public. Of course that would cost more, but that shouldn't be a problem for Elon since he is so altruistic.
Or if there were kids in the park that the car landed in.
Perhaps they are referring to the pocket dialed into the trailer guy.
Except Uber isn't a replacement for a car until they can predict when you're going to step out your front door and be in your driveway by the time you get there.
Yes and I'm sure the cost to make automatic windshield wipers and adaptive headlights is very low as well, yet they only make their way into a $60K+ car.
Hey I'm all for that. I'd love to work for a Silicon Valley company from where I am.
How many years will it take for the automated car to be affordable for the common person? I can't afford a car with even the most minimal of automation right now save for standard cruise control. Did anyone catch the article on how the average family can't afford most cars as it is? Most people don't even see the point of buying a new car, much less an automated new car. Saving lives with automation is a pipe dream until there is a plan to make these something that everyone can buy which isn't going to happen any time soon. Stop making it an excuse to kill people with experimentation.
It doesn't matter. People are idiots and should be treated as such. Tesla is doing the equivalent of giving a baby a can of soda. You may say it's not illegal to give your baby soda, it won't stop people from cringing in disgust every time they see a parent doing it because it's just a dumb thing to do.
This is exactly why automated cars will take a long time to have enough mass adoption to save a significant amount of lives.
Nothing is going to be perfect. You haven't given any proof that what Uber does as effective as what the taxi companies do. Without knowing how many crimes there were by taxi drivers without fingerprinting, you cannot say that the fingerprinting is not helping, just that it isn't perfect. I can see however how an Uber driver would not want a comment like 'driver raped me' on his account; assuming that there is no way around having customers see the comments that people make. Having someone rate you one star won't prevent anything.
Controls more often prevent corruption than assist it. For example, there are controls on how people can build houses because if there aren't they will be building substandard houses that look like luxury houses and selling them as luxury houses. The controls on taxis that are being abused is the fact that there are limited numbers of cars on the road. This protects me as a driver of my own vehicle because there is less vehicle congestion, so I have no issue with this control.
I'm not going to argue this any longer.. All I'll say is I myself have been pissed off by a truck pulling out in front of me, and in then I looked around and it was pulling out from a parking lot with one exit onto a busy street that didn't have the 100 feet of spacing between cars that it would have needed to proceed without cutting someone off. It kind of made me wonder at the time why they designed trucks that way, that were so cumbersome to drive. The answer of course is that they are economical for transportation and money talks. Perhaps there are some situations where a truck driver could go around some long way without any cars, but in the city I live in there aren't often many choices. If the street on the first side is busy, all the streets in the area will.
1) Many people have said that 'autopilot' to them means driving
2) YouTube videos of Elon Musk's wife closing eyes while driving.
3) Tesla markets this like it is the most amazing thing ever, thus leading people to believe it does something amazing (driving on it's own) which it does not.
Well so far I haven't been able to afford a car with even the most minor of automated features, and the difference is way beyond the cost of insurance. I'm not sure how you make the leap to automated cars being affordable for the common person, even if insurance is free. All you're doing is costing people out of being able to drive. Which would be safer, but not a realistic solution.