Would you use that hospital with hundreds of doctors if they were funded by selling your medical history to anyone who would pay for it? Because that is Google.
Actually scratch that, Google is more like having an auditor at the hospital logging time and duration every time you cough, sneeze, crap, piss, get into bed, watch TV, what shows you watched and for how long, what ads you saw, how you crap, how you piss (ie. bedpan or bathroom) what you condition is from minute to minute, who your visitors were, how long they stayed, when your visitors used the bathroom and for how long, what door they entered into, what door your entered into, how they travelled to the hospital, how you travelled to the hospital, which specialists you saw, what your wore, what your visitors wore, what you ate, how long you took to eat, what you brought to the hospital, what you left there, what you threw out.... along with all the stuff that normally goes in the chart and your medical history, all sold to anyone who will pay for it. Really, I find the thought plain creepy.
Transitory data in the open is WAY different then stagnant data in the open.
This is why Google wanted to be a holder of email as opposed to simply relaying it. Gives them all the time in the world to scan it.
I agree with you completely.. It surprises me how many people are on a tech forum that don't like doing tech themselves. Makes it really blatantly obvious how Apple is so successful with hiding every sign of tech from the user. After all if the geeks don't want to do these things how will we ever expect an average joe to put up with even the slightest bit of configuration or administration.
Thank you, I host my own mail too and I always wonder the same thing. The problem I have with google and email is that they are not only scanning my emails but it is emails of everyone that knows me as well. None of their business really. People get so swayed by a glitzy web panel.
Personally I kept using my internet provider email account, but I use fetchmail to pull the email down from it via imap every 5 mins or so. That way I get the benefit of their spam blocking, don't have to change my email address, etc. Fetchmail pulls down to my cyrus ipapd + postfix mail server, and I also have squirrelmail AND roundcoube as my front ends. I use roundcube when I'm on a full browser and squirrelmail in a pinch when I am on my phone. That way I know I have everything backed up and local.
Google makes me feel like they're looking over my shoulder all the time and that creeps me out. I even stopped using Google Reader for RSS when I found out they knew details about you down to HOW LONG you spent in each feed. Creepy.
Can they actually throttle OpenVPN though? I was under the impression that it goes on port 443 and looks like normal SSL traffic unless you decrypt it.
Yup that is what I use. If people don't want to walk the 20 extra steps to the grocery store they're going to pay a premium for convienence.. That's the way it works. IN my mind Red Box is pretty damn convienent enough for the price.
They do that to PUSH OTHER BUSINESSES OUT, then they jack up the proces WHEN THEY FEEL THEY HAVE ENOUGH MARKET PRESENCE TO BE MORE PROFITABLE.
There, fixed that for you.
I think the heart of the matter here is that, more then anyone, 'geeks' see these devices for what they really are as compared to what they could be. Geeks want to see cool stuff on the market but not at the expense of having a leash. Geeks want to explore and exploit the full capability of a product but the leash only serves to hold them back. This is the reason why jail breaks exist but how much more potential could these iOS devices have if Apple was standing behind making them like the jailbroken device. Unfortunately these devices are targeted at the mass market which is full of people who literally chose a product because it is shinier, or because their friend has one and likes it, or because it looks nicer, or because it has the best advertising. That is all very sad from a geek's perspective because in spite of our valid reasoning, we are suddenly stuck on the sidelines looking in. The popular market has no use for us. We are not being considered in this new exciting world.
It's about making money for sure. But if any product comes out of the free market system that is technically great then it is a fluke. The free market system is streamlined towards creating products that are financially successful, not ones that are revolutionary from a technical perspective. Therefore why should any geek give any consideration to the free market system when it does not give them any consideration back.
I agree with you, plus PDAs kept your data with you where it should be and not on someone else's website. This is my primary beef with a smart phone. They're not really smart at all. They are just good at providing flashy GUIs to websites.
I think you're talking about desktop use, which is really minuscule when compared to small to large business servers. Most servers don't have sound cards or 'play CDs'.
So all this excitement is just about the color of the outside of the phone? REALLY?
Wow, this has got to me a new low for consumerism.
To the person out there waiting to dump their black iPhone 4 for a while one: You, sir, are an idiot.
Not because you distract corporations from developing the useful functionality that I am holding off on smartphones for, not even because you are materialistic and shallow beyond all belief. You are an idiot just for being you.
The problem is that being in my Facebook account should be considered as being in my house from a legal standpoint. Any company that builds a framework for anything that involves authentication should imply inherent rights for the user. Currently it is not this way. All of the internet is considered 'being outside' because laws are not keeping up to technology and for internet services to become useful and safe we must mature past this philosophy.
I say, leave that to the open market. Each an every buyer beware of tho is complying to what country's laws and choose the site you use based on that. Also have choice to use a free site with 'audit lite' or a premium site with 'full audit'.
Just my two cents.. I have two iPod touches sitting dead right now mostly because of my dislike for iTunes for these reasons. The first touch I bought and eventually hated after trying to use it for anything useful. The second one my daughter won. Most of my video is xvid and I got so, so tired of encoding with handbrake physically attaching to a Windows or Mac system, having iTunes complain that I used another system last then erasing my library etc. One video here and there would be ok but do a lot and the workflow becomes fairly onerous. I bought a nertbook. Transfer over wireless network and done. I can't believe apple is tying the Apple TV to iTunes as well.
I keep hoping they give it more functionality like MediaMonkey, ie. allowing me to arrange files in a directory structure I want, being able to work from a central network and understanding you might have more then one type of system in your house etc.. I have hope every time an iTunes update comes in but it never happens.
This is something I don't get about current software licensing. The system is imperfect. When I have a.doc or a.xls to read I NEED MS Office (I have had many instances where FOSS just didn't work) but if this happens 12 times a year why should I shell out for the full $600, the same as someone that uses it 10 times a day.
That's like living in a world where there is no alternative to driving cars. No buses, no bicycles, no taxis.. You are not able to leave your yard unless you are in your own vehicle, and expecting everyone to come out ant vote for elections.
I like the example. I would just like to help it along by proposing that pirating a movie is more like going 10-15 km/h over the speed limit, as opposed to 80 over.
In my experience, management is even more simplistic then that. Management anywhere I've worked seems to love people who talk alot, regardless of the level of idiocy.
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Is that what Google is doing? Helping me survive? Keeping my best interests at heart?
And all along I thought they were doing it for profit. I guess I have been proven wrong.
Would you use that hospital with hundreds of doctors if they were funded by selling your medical history to anyone who would pay for it? Because that is Google.
Actually scratch that, Google is more like having an auditor at the hospital logging time and duration every time you cough, sneeze, crap, piss, get into bed, watch TV, what shows you watched and for how long, what ads you saw, how you crap, how you piss (ie. bedpan or bathroom) what you condition is from minute to minute, who your visitors were, how long they stayed, when your visitors used the bathroom and for how long, what door they entered into, what door your entered into, how they travelled to the hospital, how you travelled to the hospital, which specialists you saw, what your wore, what your visitors wore, what you ate, how long you took to eat, what you brought to the hospital, what you left there, what you threw out.... along with all the stuff that normally goes in the chart and your medical history, all sold to anyone who will pay for it. Really, I find the thought plain creepy.
And, I don't think I would use that hospital.
Transitory data in the open is WAY different then stagnant data in the open. This is why Google wanted to be a holder of email as opposed to simply relaying it. Gives them all the time in the world to scan it.
You're forgetting about the downside.. you are inviting all your friends family and acquaintances to be part of the Google crop to be harvested.
I agree with you completely.. It surprises me how many people are on a tech forum that don't like doing tech themselves. Makes it really blatantly obvious how Apple is so successful with hiding every sign of tech from the user. After all if the geeks don't want to do these things how will we ever expect an average joe to put up with even the slightest bit of configuration or administration.
Thank you, I host my own mail too and I always wonder the same thing. The problem I have with google and email is that they are not only scanning my emails but it is emails of everyone that knows me as well. None of their business really. People get so swayed by a glitzy web panel.
Personally I kept using my internet provider email account, but I use fetchmail to pull the email down from it via imap every 5 mins or so. That way I get the benefit of their spam blocking, don't have to change my email address, etc. Fetchmail pulls down to my cyrus ipapd + postfix mail server, and I also have squirrelmail AND roundcoube as my front ends. I use roundcube when I'm on a full browser and squirrelmail in a pinch when I am on my phone. That way I know I have everything backed up and local. Google makes me feel like they're looking over my shoulder all the time and that creeps me out. I even stopped using Google Reader for RSS when I found out they knew details about you down to HOW LONG you spent in each feed. Creepy.
Can they actually throttle OpenVPN though? I was under the impression that it goes on port 443 and looks like normal SSL traffic unless you decrypt it.
Yup that is what I use. If people don't want to walk the 20 extra steps to the grocery store they're going to pay a premium for convienence.. That's the way it works. IN my mind Red Box is pretty damn convienent enough for the price.
They do that to PUSH OTHER BUSINESSES OUT, then they jack up the proces WHEN THEY FEEL THEY HAVE ENOUGH MARKET PRESENCE TO BE MORE PROFITABLE. There, fixed that for you.
I think the heart of the matter here is that, more then anyone, 'geeks' see these devices for what they really are as compared to what they could be. Geeks want to see cool stuff on the market but not at the expense of having a leash. Geeks want to explore and exploit the full capability of a product but the leash only serves to hold them back. This is the reason why jail breaks exist but how much more potential could these iOS devices have if Apple was standing behind making them like the jailbroken device. Unfortunately these devices are targeted at the mass market which is full of people who literally chose a product because it is shinier, or because their friend has one and likes it, or because it looks nicer, or because it has the best advertising. That is all very sad from a geek's perspective because in spite of our valid reasoning, we are suddenly stuck on the sidelines looking in. The popular market has no use for us. We are not being considered in this new exciting world.
It's about making money for sure. But if any product comes out of the free market system that is technically great then it is a fluke. The free market system is streamlined towards creating products that are financially successful, not ones that are revolutionary from a technical perspective. Therefore why should any geek give any consideration to the free market system when it does not give them any consideration back.
Interesting you would cling to a brand that you have to SELL to feel like you got your money's worth. Very interesting indeed. And sad.
I agree with you, plus PDAs kept your data with you where it should be and not on someone else's website. This is my primary beef with a smart phone. They're not really smart at all. They are just good at providing flashy GUIs to websites.
I think you're talking about desktop use, which is really minuscule when compared to small to large business servers. Most servers don't have sound cards or 'play CDs'.
So all this excitement is just about the color of the outside of the phone? REALLY?
Wow, this has got to me a new low for consumerism.
To the person out there waiting to dump their black iPhone 4 for a while one: You, sir, are an idiot.
Not because you distract corporations from developing the useful functionality that I am holding off on smartphones for, not even because you are materialistic and shallow beyond all belief. You are an idiot just for being you.
One more thought. Just because a company built my house, it doesn't give them a right to go in and look at my stuff once I'm living in it.
The problem is that being in my Facebook account should be considered as being in my house from a legal standpoint. Any company that builds a framework for anything that involves authentication should imply inherent rights for the user. Currently it is not this way. All of the internet is considered 'being outside' because laws are not keeping up to technology and for internet services to become useful and safe we must mature past this philosophy.
I say, leave that to the open market. Each an every buyer beware of tho is complying to what country's laws and choose the site you use based on that. Also have choice to use a free site with 'audit lite' or a premium site with 'full audit'.
Just my two cents.. I have two iPod touches sitting dead right now mostly because of my dislike for iTunes for these reasons. The first touch I bought and eventually hated after trying to use it for anything useful. The second one my daughter won. Most of my video is xvid and I got so, so tired of encoding with handbrake physically attaching to a Windows or Mac system, having iTunes complain that I used another system last then erasing my library etc. One video here and there would be ok but do a lot and the workflow becomes fairly onerous. I bought a nertbook. Transfer over wireless network and done. I can't believe apple is tying the Apple TV to iTunes as well.
I keep hoping they give it more functionality like MediaMonkey, ie. allowing me to arrange files in a directory structure I want, being able to work from a central network and understanding you might have more then one type of system in your house etc.. I have hope every time an iTunes update comes in but it never happens.
First clue: They used Rails!! Like, really??
I guess you've summed up why the rest of the world doesn't like Americans very much. You folks really need to curtail your assholes. Seriously.
This is something I don't get about current software licensing. The system is imperfect. When I have a .doc or a .xls to read I NEED MS Office (I have had many instances where FOSS just didn't work) but if this happens 12 times a year why should I shell out for the full $600, the same as someone that uses it 10 times a day.
That's like living in a world where there is no alternative to driving cars. No buses, no bicycles, no taxis.. You are not able to leave your yard unless you are in your own vehicle, and expecting everyone to come out ant vote for elections.
I like the example. I would just like to help it along by proposing that pirating a movie is more like going 10-15 km/h over the speed limit, as opposed to 80 over.
The downside is that the iPad is quite heavy. I wouldn't want to hold it up for the length of a movie or for a bus ride.
In my experience, management is even more simplistic then that. Management anywhere I've worked seems to love people who talk alot, regardless of the level of idiocy.