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Why Netflix Had To Raise Its Prices
sperlingreich writes "Last week, after movie streaming service Netflix raised its prices by 60%, the company's customers took to blogs and social networks in revolt, threatening to cancel their subscriptions. However, between the cost of mailing DVDs and paying increased licensing fees for content, a Netflix rate hike was inevitable. Is it still a great movie bargain? What alternative services are there?"
It was the manner and the margin by which they did it. If they'd done it slowly, say $2 now, $2 more in 6 months and $2 in a year, people might complain but not nearly as much as $6 all at once.
My cable company wants much more than $16/mo to get the various premium channels (HBO, Showtime, etc.). $16/mo is a good deal to be able to watch what you want, when you want.
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I'm downgrading to streaming only from netflix, and the occasional DVD from Redbox or my pulic library.
They raised the Prices without giving us a reason for it. Was it a mistake not to raise them before? maybe. but waiting so long and then whacking a 60% increase without a reason? not too smart.
things it has going for it: cheaper, worldwide releases, play on any device you want, share with your friends, your viewing habits aren't in same database being masturbated over by marketing departments
negatives: bandwidth intensive, requires a little bit more work to find the stuff you want, teeny weeny chance of getting sued into bankruptcy
I find plenty to do without going to first run movies or event renting movies.
To be brutally frank with you, much of what comes out of 'the industry' these days have very little to keep me engaged.
So, I take the money I save by not subscribing to movies and tv and engage in hobbies that keep me engaged and creative, such as these at http://www.allyn.com/
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A podcast, really? OK, color me guilty, I didn't LTFP.
What kind of reason is "cost of mailing DVDs" for raising rates? What increase was there in the cost of mailing DVDs?
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it's a great bargain, because if I go to the movies alone for even one flick I'm still saving money what with the cost of the outrageous concessions markup. If I take my wife and kid, it's a second mortgage event. Still a good deal.
Years ago, I began using hulu to catch up on Joss Whedon's "Dollhouse" before I started using Netflix to watch other shows. They have a smaller selection of titles, but for what they do have, new episodes of current series are available usually the day after they air on the regular networks. the annoying thing with Netflix is that it seems they wait for the DVDs to be available (regardless of anything else) before they make the streams available.
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nuff said :D
You know it is ugly truth but there's lots of truth in that. We really do treat them like they can't handle their own affairs or take responsibility for their own lives. Liberals portray this as the compassionate nice thing to do but is it really? How would you like to be insulted and coddled like that, as he said basically treated like drunks and old people who can't hack it on their own?
I keep hearing about institutional racism, how racism is not the thing of the past a lot of whites like to think it is, etc. What if racism has just changed form? What if it is no longer about calling them the n-word and denying them jobs and respect, or like with extremists like the KKK committing crimes against them just because they are black? What if racism has just changed into treating them like a bunch of retarded children who cannot be trusted to live their own lives freely?
If so then all of you affirmative-action supporters, "diversity and inclusion" types, Liberals, and everyone else falling over themselves to prove how not-racist you are, well, that would make you the REAL racists. After all you are the largest group still in existence who treats people differently based on the color of their skin. By definition that is racism. Even if the different treatment is an insulting brand of favoritism. I know if I was black I'd be seriously insulted by things like affirmative action, the message being I could not make it without special favors.
I think it is funny the way people complain that Netflix doesn't have their whole catalogue on streaming as though they are making a choice to hold stuff back just to fuck with you.
I hope you get a particularly nasty and painful form of cancer...
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So in Canada we've only ever had streaming for $8 a month. So what's the big deal? "Basic" cable is around $60 a month now. HBO is another $12 a month. etc.
Well, this 2 part question deserves a two part answer
If you had a $14.99 plan for 1 out at a time and unlimited internet videos You can on average turn around 1-2 dvds a week for 4-8dvd’s mailed a month And unlimited instant watch to an eh connection of movies/tv shows.
Total: 4-8 + unlimited = $14.99 While redbox which has been Netflix’s number 1 competition for the last 6years. It’s 1 dvd for $1 with a $1 a day late fee, which means you could rent 30 dvd’s for $30 at 1 a day
To beat Netflix you would need to rent less than 14 dvd’s a month, and with the selection of Redbox locations only being updated 4 times a month (at best) you would also need to expand your searching locations, which would bring in paying gas prices. So..
Netflix 4 to 8 + unlimited IW = $14.99 Vs. RedBox 15dvds + (gas for driving @ least avg2-4miles both ways [4-8total, avg. gas price $4 a gallon, 30mpg car]) $.75 = $11.25 + $15 = $26.25 Which means you would actually only get roughly 7dvd’s from Redbox for the same price.
With all that money the lawyers and lobbyist need to eat. Please somebody think about the lawyers!
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1. They only offer the unlimited DVD plan with streaming. I mostly use streaming and get maybe 1 DVD/month. I wish they offered the streaming + the limited DVD ($5/month) plan. I'm quite happy with streaming content mostly because I don't want mainstream stuff. I with they had more British TV, but otherwise it's great.
2. If you only have a streaming only plan, they won't show you the DVD's they offer or let you have a DVD queue. That stinks because a lot of things jump between being offered via streaming, then just DVD. I used to put stuff in my DVD queue just to save it and eventually it might show up as being offered via streaming. The new method limits the content I'll see in my streaming queue now.
Other than that I get why they did this. Their initial mailings mentioned that they were saving people money by lowering prices. They should have just been honest and said they were raising prices because they had to.
Is it just me, or does the article not provide anything resembling an explanation as to why Netflix raised its prices?
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However, between the cost of mailing DVDs and paying increased licensing fees for content, a Netflix rate hike was inevitable.
Rate hikes are inevitable period. When their market starts to get saturated, they'll raise prices to keep their revenues growing, to appease Wall Street and as a result, justify the CEO's obscene compensation.
Then there are the DVDs. Unless you can get them when they are first issued, you'll get a horribly scratched unplayable disk and have to order a new one. And it's inevitable that it will be on a Saturday night and you won't get the new one until Monday. And even then, I've had to send back the replacement too. WTF do people do with those things? Play hockey with them?!?
And we all know the crazy streaming issues. Shit available one month, gone the next, back again the following .... No Spielberg movies are streamable or Lucas' either. The two billionaire producer/directors are too good for streaming?
I'm trying to get my wife to dump the service. We pretty much watched everything we wanted and there's only so many times you can watch Farscape.And the new releases we'll get Redbox, Amazon or just schlep to the theater. Someone just opened a new one near us. Apparently, they think there's still a market for theaters. Go figure!
I don't really care *why* the price is almost doubling for my plan from what I was paying last year, only that it is. And like TONS of customers, I am going to drop half of the plan. The half I am choosing to drop will be the streaming. In my case, I am not worse off than before. My pricing will be about $1 less per month than when they added streaming in the first place.
Anyway, I can understand why many people are very unhappy about it. I can also understand why it makes sense to separate the plans and have customers pay for what they use (I am not a fan of "bundling" in the first place). However, I see that for many customers, this really is a HUGE and unreasonable price jump.
Why don't these same people complain about the federal budget as much as they have with Netflix?
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Overall the cost of $25 a month with Netflix is much better than the $120 a month with a cable provider. I'll stick with Netflix and continue to save the money not having cable television.
The timing of the closure of Blockbuster and the rate hike has the cynic in me fired up.
1) There PR guy was a jackasss and talked down to people.
2) They didn't tells us why.
3) we still don't know what their increased costs where. I think. My cost to mail something didn't go up 60%.
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Off the top of my head? Hulu Plus. On my Sony TV and blurrydisk player there's Qriocity and three or four others.
I have no idea what the selection is like on Qriocity or the others. I don't really watch that much TV to begin with and I'm just not curious enough about it to (pay money) to find out.
I knew they'd have to do this sooner or later. I'm honestly glad they did in the hopes that this will hopefully provide more content to the streaming customers. Right now, it's like browsing the aisles of old releases of the old, local, small video stores that never had a great selection to begin with.
If this means the possibility of watching new release, block buster movies on streaming is closer to reality, then I'm all for it. If not, well, I'm still for this current price increase. I have no idea how they were making a profit. I'm sure I was using more than $10/month in resources
For a while Netflix experimented with showing season of certain shows as they aired, but I can't recall which ones. I'm not sure what happened to that either.
Hulu is free on PC but you have to pay to view over mobile
My cable service 'rents' DVDs at 5-6$ which can add up..
And, the selection is not so great, i.e., no tv shows, documentaries, kung fu, anime & cartoons
So, economy of cost depends on your needs and consumption..
Ie, my son's 4 day Power Rangers marathon on watch insantly!
I will be reducing my plan though
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But economy of cost depends on your consumption actually
It's misleading to say that they raised their rates by 60%. They did I suppose if you only have the unlimited 1 DVD plan + streaming. Going by the outcry I suppose there's a lot of people who have it. However, my family has the 4 DVDs + streaming plan and the price will be going from $27.99 to $29.98 a month. That's less than a small latte from Starbucks.
Instead of screaming at Netflix and throwing tantrums comparing the price increases to rape (google it, it's really sad) I wish these people would start screaming at the media companies to get some sort of reasonable pricing and access to streaming media. This whole sending me physical pieces of plastic through the mail is getting old! It's 2011 for crying out loud! Not only is there a terribly small amount of things I can stream through Netflix, but things disappear, almost always with little warning. My streaming queue has over 200 titles that are in the saved section because they were available once but are now not.
I understand what's going on behind the scenes, but that doesn't mean I have to like it.
My cable company wants much more than $16/mo to get the various premium channels (HBO, Showtime, etc.).
My cable company won't even let me add HBO or Showtime unless I upgrade to a higher "tier" with dozens of channels I won't watch. Right now my family is on the $60/mo Digital Starter tier because that's the cheapest with ESPN; Comcast wants us on the $80/mo tier before it'll let us add premium channels.
I have relatives who will never use the streaming (they are still getting used to DVDs). For them, it is now cheaper. I am moving strictly to streaming, but the selection is thinner than their DVD collection. So, I will take a hit. Since I dropped cable in favor of Netflix and free OTA HDTV (50+ channels), I am still ahead.
I'd like to coin a new term. "Reverse reverse racism". It's where racists justify their views by suggesting that there they are being disenfranchised by an institution of reverse racism. Someday you'll grow up and learn that is in fact, not opposite day.
How many of these 'Why Netflix raised their rates' articles will Netflix PR department spawn?
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So now it's $50-60/mo on internet plus $16/mo for Netflix, $8/mo for Hulu Plus
I've recommended this to a couple families, and both told me they'd rather go back to dial-up than give up ESPN.
More expensive in the long run, but the selection is much better in my opinion - If I can't find it on netflix, I'll head over to amazon. I'll pay the little bit of extra money for the convenience.
Get a better cable company then.
It costs thousands of dollars to move to an area serviced by a different cable company. How do you expect most people to be able to afford this?
The newest alternative to movies-at-home out here in CA is REDBOX. Coke machine meets DVD with a $1/da cost to rent its the bomb. Search the kiosk for what's available (always something) select, swipe and done. Its that simple. Return the next day and you've just watched a popular movie for a buck. Beat BlockBuster which just closed its last store in San Diego by price, timeliness and fashion. Inventory was fresher, customer service quicker and more hassle-free.
There is no downside, no risk, no negatives...it just works, works everytime, works when you get it home and works when you return it. This is the last iteration before online movie rental squares their offering to better this one.
So the blurb here was all the information that was actually published in that article. Does a brief comment that adds no information actually need to be posted as a story? I thought they were going to put out some numbers. The article headline seems to be misleading in that there doesn't seem to be any actual content, unless I'm missing something.
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How much does adding the movie channels to your cable package cost per month; how much does OnDemand cost per movie?
I'm a European. I recently tried netflix using a multi-hosted VPN supplier. After all the hype I had been reading online I was sorely disappointed. It was very hard to find a movie that I would like to watch (again).
And then there was the technical execution. Silverlight? For real?
And not just silverlight.. it needs to load hundreds of thumbnails before it wants to start playing to stream, so that seeking can be done in a more pleasing way. Nice thought, except loading those damn thumbnailds takes several minutes...
I give this service a grade 2 out of 5. Meanwhile, you americans should check out Spotify, since it actually delivers...
The "Netflix rate hike was inevitable" link goes to a paragraph of text that really doesn't say anything more about the subject than what's posted in the summary. I suppose there's a link there to an audio monologue on the subject, but who wants to spend 30-60 minutes listening to the audio just to see if they have anything more to say there?
So at this point all we have is a vague argument that Netflix had to raise its prices because of the cost of mailing DVDs and increased licensing fees for streaming content. Let's dissect this:
Sending DVDs through the mail is what Netflix has always done. It is the core of its business. I haven't seen any news about a sudden hike in the cost of mail in the U.S. Yes, it's gone up over the last 20 years, but not since Netflix's last price increase about 7 months ago. Netflix is the postal service's life support. Without Netflix, the USPS isn't financially viable because so much written communication now takes place online, so the USPS is going to do whatever it takes to ensure Netflix doesn't send fewer DVDs through the mail. I consider this part of the argument debunked -- the cost of mailing DVDs did not force this price increase.
Netflix has progressively tried to steer customers away from the mail service, presumably because they don't have to maintain distribution centers around the country to stream videos, and they're worried someone else will beat them to the on-demand streaming party first. They want to own that party before the space gets crowded, and the easiest way for them to do that is to "convert" their huge base of snail mail customers to streaming. They started out by bundling it for free with your subscription, then offering it by itself, then disabling the ability to manage your DVD queue through the Netflix mobile apps...
The problem is that their streaming library is a fraction of the size of their DVD library. To fill in the gaps, they have to go back to the content owners and negotiate fees, and the content owners smell an opportunity to make a lot of money. Rather than use its size to convince the content owners that receiving a reasonable licensing fee for the content is better than receiving nothing at all and being left out, Netflix has decided it wants the content even if it has to overpay for it... Because it will just pass on the cost of its decision to the users. I'm sure someone at some high level meeting said, "wait, what if our customers realize this and flee?" and that's why they're providing the option to opt out of streaming altogether now. The customers who don't want to pay the increase can just opt out of streaming. The customers who are willing to pay the price for streaming will pad the pockets of the content owners.
I would seriously pay twice what I'm paying Netflix for now for unlimited streaming and if it helped provide a better selection.
Seriously.
Netflix is by far the best value on the Internet today.
That and they treat their employees with respect. Especially their customer service folks.
My Hulu Plus subscription isn't giving me shit.
All you people who actually pay to watch movies, turn in your geek cards
on your way out.
And don't come back.
On the one hand, one can choose to watch movies distributed by MPAA members. On the other hand, what? Can you think of a substantially cheaper way to produce feature films that are competitive with MPAA output in writing quality, acting quality, and visual quality?
I keep reading stories where they claim are wanting to adjust the 200m Netflix spent in 2010 closer to 2b (yes, with a b), or almost 10x. Anyone know where these estimates are originating?
News flash: we treat everyone that way now.
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I hope you get a particularly nasty and painful form of cancer...
For what? Questioning the nature of the racism that still exists today? Having a different take on something than your personal orthodoxy? Let me guess, you think I cannot and do not treat black people with kindness and respect just because I question whether what we are doing is really in their best interests?
For that you want someone to suffer a prolonged, painful death? Do you suppose that makes you a good person? Does it make you better than what you oppose? You think you're telling me a thing or two. You are, but only about the evil within yourself. You are exactly like the Inquisitors who threatened people like Galileo for the "crime" of thinking freely. Does it feel good to know what you resemble?
If you want to explain your own viewpoint please do. If you think I have it all wrong and can show me the error of my ways, go for it. The forum is open. If your alternative to that is to wish suffering and death on strangers because you disagree with them, well that's just fucking childish. Not to mention evil. If this is the kind of person who supports the Liberal race-sensitivity agenda, well that's all you need to know about how good its intentions must be.
Just curious, have you ever met a black person who thinks affirmative action is an insult? I have. They tend to be responsible go-getters who worked for everything they have and don't want a handout from anyone because they like to know they earned what they keep. Do you want them to die of cancer too, or do you discriminate based on race? Oh but somehow it's not racism when you do it, right, you hypocrite?
Very much against your intention I am sure, you have only confirmed that I must be onto something true. One of the surest signs something is true and has struck a nerve is when small-minded people such as yourself cannot handle it like civil mature adults. Thank you for the confirmation.
Netflix didn't even originally offer streaming. It's no surprise that netflix had to raise the price considering the costs involved (they are a business, no point if they don't make a profit).
What they did was basically revert back to the original netflix plan (which people didn't complain about then) on one side and have streaming on the other. Don't like it? Yeah you can leave. It's not a big deal. But there are plenty happy with netflix and this change doesn't affect them that much. If it helps keep them in business, just accept it or leave. No need to cry bloody murder.
*Disclaimer: I do NOT have a netflix account so you can't claim bias.
You're an idiot if you think it has anything to do with skin colour. There are violent and retarded cultures all around the world, gangs and drug users in every major city.
which is totally what she said
Did you really think $9.99/mo for 1 DVD at a time + all the streaming content you can eat was going to last forever? Those are *startup* prices. They do that to grow the business, then they jack up the prices when they need to be profitable.
And they're never going to include new releases in the all-you-can-eat streaming at that price.
I do wish they would stop changing the streaming / not streaming status of movies, however. It's frustrating when a movie that has been out for ten years, and was streamable last week, suddenly is not streamable. Can't say I understand the reasoning behind that, other than that their licensing just makes no damn sense.
It's a great alternative to netflix and searching icefilms on twitter shows it trends higher than netflix especially after the price increase.
That's the alternative I've been using since the increase.
Make that a particularly slow form of cancer, you depraved and worthless bigot.
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Hulu's increase of commercials has severely turned me off of their offerings. I once watched a ton of stuff on Hulu, but now I stick to NetFlix or just do without.
It's quite jarring to be in the middle of an intense show and then breaking to an HPV commercial.
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Make that a particularly slow form of cancer, you depraved and worthless bigot.
that's the liberal agenda folks! "you disagree with me so I hope you die a slow horrible death. now support my brand of fairness and compassion because i am a real humanitarian!" well that and "look how generous i am with other people's money, i am such a giving person!" no wonder youre all a bunch of frothing at the mouth emotional nancyboys who hate logic.
you are winning more converts to conservatism than rush limbaugh could hope for. please keep it up.
Netflix has successfully executed the Wal-Mart business model.
1.) Move into an existing area where there is a well-established business model.
2.) Dominate the market with prices so low that the existing businesses cannot compete against you.
3.) Wait for your competition to give up/close up/go bankrupt.
4.) Raise your prices to normal market levels.
5.) Obscene profit!
No man is an island, But if you take a bunch of dead guys and tie them together, they make a pretty good raft.
Simple, Netflix's rent is too damn high.
The more you know, the more you have to say and the more you should listen.
And it's people like you who make the rest of the world think "WTF is wrong with you people?" If you fail to understand how the post you quoted was nothing more than 1930s style flamebait and racism, you are indeed just a depraved and worthless bigot.
Those who can, do. Those who can't, sue.
Has anybody noticed they don't talk about DVDs by mail on their front page anymore? In the links to questions they talk about being able to add the option. Frankly my DVD watching has fallen off dramatically and I cancelled the plan and have gone streaming only. It seems everyday they have more and more options for streaming so I think they are a good deal. Between them and Hulu Plus you can get a lot for $16 per month.
in fact, they're going to save me a few bucks when i cancel the dvd portion of the service since i haven't gotten a fresh dvd in six months. their streaming might not have everything i'd want to watch all the time, but they always have *something* i'd like to see. and that's good enough for me.
Please stop with this.
Any time something goes up in cost while reducing quality you get your Stockholm syndrome folks who whip out this line, parroting the company's marketing droids.
Have you noticed that the streaming titles have gone WAY down hill.
It used to be that there was a pile of new stuff every Tuesday. What was running on cable movie channels closely matched what was on Netflix streaming. Now you get dubious foreign films, 6.02x10^23 singing cowboy movies and maybe just maybe a B-F grade recent release. This month's was some Ashton Kutcher movie.. Which looks like it has already been pulled.
So they are offering more Anime, this is the only thing that has improved. Streaming is filled with affordable rights titles. Why are they affordable? almost NO ONE wants to see 90% of them.
Not to mention that it was quite a while ago that they decided to withhold DVDs through the mail until they had been on the shelves/PPV for 3 FREAKING months.
So as we watched a service we liked go into the toilet is is nice to have the "He only hits me because he loves me!" crowd crawl out of the wood work to say that the price increase for this reduction in quality "Is less than a small latte from Starbucks!".
As long as there are people who parrot the marketing droids or just sit back and take it, this will keep happening.
As the MPAA/RIAA/MAFIAA intend to kill any goose who lays golden eggs unless they get 100-150% of the eggs, it may be time for me to learn to torrent.
I'd gladly pay the increased price if they enable the service on the rest of the Android devices. Playing Netflix on the phone sitting right next to my Xoom is starting to really get on my nerves. I wish I could refocus the outcr to something else more productive.
Cable charges some $5-6 for a single new DVD title on demand. They charge $15+ for new movies on demand (not many, but sometimes before theaters and during).
I'm assuming there's a lot of profit there on a % basis per movie.
Given that's the going rate, what would you pay for Netflix's streaming and say 10 new DVDs a month? For cable, the movie channels can be $40 as a bundle, and 10 new DVD movies would be say $50, for a total of $90 a month.
Would you pay $45? What would you pay for a new DVD release by itself? Netflix could probably beat cable prices, maybe.
But don't expect new DVD titles to be included in an all you can eat fashion. It's not going to happen.
Years ago, I began using hulu to catch up on Joss Whedon's "Dollhouse" before I started using Netflix to watch other shows. They have a smaller selection of titles, but for what they do have, new episodes of current series are available usually the day after they air on the regular networks. the annoying thing with Netflix is that it seems they wait for the DVDs to be available (regardless of anything else) before they make the streams available.
That's not always the case. I don't know of too many examples, but I do know that when Heroes was on the air, Netflix got new episodes 24-48 hours after a new one aired. And it was in HD to boot.
From here:
You know it is ugly truth but there's lots of truth in that. We really do treat them like they can't handle their own affairs or take responsibility for their own lives. Liberals portray this as the compassionate nice thing to do but is it really? How would you like to be insulted and coddled like that, as he said basically treated like drunks and old people who can't hack it on their own? I keep hearing about institutional racism, how racism is not the thing of the past a lot of whites like to think it is, etc. What if racism has just changed form? What if it is no longer about calling them the n-word and denying them jobs and respect, or like with extremists like the KKK committing crimes against them just because they are black? What if racism has just changed into treating them like a bunch of retarded children who cannot be trusted to live their own lives freely? If so then all of you affirmative-action supporters, "diversity and inclusion" types, Liberals, and everyone else falling over themselves to prove how not-racist you are, well, that would make you the REAL racists. After all you are the largest group still in existence who treats people differently based on the color of their skin. By definition that is racism. Even if the different treatment is an insulting brand of favoritism. I know if I was black I'd be seriously insulted by things like affirmative action, the message being I could not make it without special favors.
super confused black guy here what the fuck is the connection?
truth #1 affirmative action pisses me off.
I was given nothing while serving in the guard studying engineering and raising a child by my self. no one gave me anything.
I saved $2 a month because I cancelled the DVD portion of my membership. I had Blue Velvet sitting on my desk for 6 months and I never watched it. I'm not going to thank Netflix for the price increase, but in my case it is saving me money.
The Hangover was not funny and actually boring. It was actually painful to watch most of the time. - and I'm a guy.
Tree of Life? Which one?
Now that Netflix has killed the local DVD rental store and some other competition, of course it's time to raise prices. Predatory pricing followed by monopoly!!!
Yes this may be partially a joke but the price increase of Netflix means that if you want to be able to get new releases and have access to random stuff in a flash it is now cheaper to pay for an anonymous VPN service and use torrents instead of getting it legally.
They are just betting a relative minority of people go that route.
... and then a car commercial... and then a movie trailer... and then a reply of the same car commercial they just showed.
I avoid hulu unless a stream I want isnt working elsewhere. I have my eyes on you comedy central with your daily show and colbert streams.
You are entitled to your own opinions, not your own facts.
no offense, you cowardice piece of shit, but what the flying FUCK does this have to do with NetFlix. Seems like you have severe "inherent intellectual disadvantage that you either can't understand the fucking article, or your attention span is that of a warthog.
You can go back to DVD-only for 8 bucks a month. Anything they have available for steaming is also available for DVD, so you aren't missing out on anything. And you can still stream a lot of stuff on hulu for free (with commercials).
Hell, that is the deal we had before streaming was introduced as a free extra...so...what the hell is everyone complaining about?
Oh....for you guys who like 2 DVD's out at a time...same deal...you can skip the streaming and save a few bucks. And for you who need 3 or more...Jesus...you are getting the best deal in town already!
$16 a month = 16 movies from Redbox. $8 a month = 8 movies from Redbox.
I can't speak for the average user, as I am not one, but none of my friends watch more then a movie once a week, sometimes every two weeks. It's simply not worth it unless you don't have a Redbox near you. The selection on Netflix is pretty scant too. Newer releases almost never make it there in any timely manner, some never do.
The rate hike in my opinion is like what ISPs are doing. Since Netflix can't get you on late fees (by underselling their service), they attempt to sell so much of it that people won't use it. Putting it into perspective, at a Redbox price, $16 is roughly 24-30 hours worth of movies.
I think where Netflix really scores is TV series, where multiple volumes are required. That you usually can't get from a Redbox, that usually costs you an arm and a leg at normal Video store, and that's usually why a lot of people pirate. I wonder if they could make a correlation in here.
Seriously, you have no idea how silly this makes you all look. We never got the DVD service. This is what it cost us all the time. We also have some ludicrous data caps on most of our internet service providers. Many people still think it's a good deal.
I understand that a price increase is annoying. But the fervor around what was an inevitable increase, especially around these parts, is downright silly. Stop "threatening to cancel your service" and just think about it: Is it worth it? No? Then cancel. yes? Pay it. Otherwise, please, please PLEASE shut up about this.
Rent and Rip need I say more.....well yes now that you mention it a MS home server combined with a FIOS connection.
I have my own little circle of friends and between us all the movie server is filled with pretty much all the latest movies out on BR/DVD. A little late night private file transfers and who needs bittorrent/Pirate Bay.
Have you gone to a zoo lately? What does the sign say about feeding animals? Yes, "Please do not feed the trolls."
"Don't let fools fool you. They are the clever ones."
the company's customers took to blogs and social networks in revolt, making empty threats to cancel their subscriptions.
FTFY.
I love how media consumers like to bitch about every little price increase (not that this is a small increase with NetFlix) and then threaten to leave. Make your idle threats all you want. It's become a case of the Boy Who Cried Wolf to those of us who work in such industries. You have to start actually canceling and citing the price increase as the reason why if you want any of the suits to pay attention. Otherwise, you're just "normal subscriber churn" to them.
By raising prices, and losing some streaming customers,if the math was done correctly, couldn't one expect netflix to collect the same income while reducing their actual costs ?
Boxee Box: $200 (one time cost)
1TB Passport Drive: $80 (one time cost)
Witopia VPN: $ 40/yr
uTorrent: $ 0
TED: $ 0
I get HD quality movies before they are out on DVD and TV shows 1 day or less after they air.
Cable and Netflix can suck it.
In a world were cable and phone companies are constantly offering discounts for bundling, Netflix decided to "unbundle" it's streaming and DVD service, and then charge FULL PRICE for both. How f@cking stupid is that? They present it as $7.99 for streaming OR $7.99 for DVDs and if you want both you pay full price for both? How did that get out of a board room or marketing? Freaking idiots. All they had to say was (in best Steve Jobs voice) - "some of our customers only want streaming and some only want DVD's, so we're making it easy for either of them, pay for only what you want. It's only $7.99 for unlimited streaming or $7.99 for unlimited DVDs. For those who want both we're offering it at a discount, it's only $14.99 for unlimited DVDs and streaming." Yes, people would still be upset about the 50% price increase, but at least a few would spread the good word of choice and the bundling discount. Their presentation of this blew and they lost all good will. dumb@sses.
Cable still charges an arm and a leg. And personally, I prefer to watch a show from start to finish, one episode after another. Not really something you can do with cable which has commercials and you have to wait week to week for new episodes. Netflix still beats cable IMHO.
[[Will Spotify be able to displace some of the entrenched players in the space like Spotify and Rdio?]]
Will Spotify be able to display the entrenched player Spotify? Gee, I wonder...
If a movie comes out in DVD form, it should be out in streaming form at the same time. If they want to eliminate physical DVDs then they also need to allow the streaming only to get the same movies, or else they should charge LESS for streaming since it has a smaller selection.
Why can't they have the DVDs ripped so you can stream the entire contents anyway? Lets say they have it so a certain number of people can check it out at once, and you only have access to that checked out disc, then you return it and check out a new one. It doesn't seem like it should be any different MPAA licensing than sending discs to people as long as they are only being viewed by as many people as they have purchased copies of the disc or licenses, or however they do that.
We put up a real Antenna. We don't get ESPN, but our local sports teams are sharper on our HDTV than they were on cable. I don't miss the $60+ cable bill, and we gladly pay the $30 DSL bill. Our family spends more time on the net than watching TV, but know that is not mainstream. Yet.
I just don't like how when they announced it they made it sound like it was the greatest thing since sliced bread for customers. People don't like being lied to right to their faces.
the annoying thing with Netflix is that it seems they wait for the DVDs to be available (regardless of anything else) before they make the streams available.
That's most likely a result of contracting with the media companies. The studios do their best to manipulate the market for maximum profit (as any soulless corporate entity would). That means movies on the big screen first and TV shows air with commercials. After that it's DVD sales, followed by rentals, and finally streaming service taking up the rear.
10*1.03^10 = $13.439, not $16.
I had the streaming + 1 DVD plan for 9.99, and now I have the streaming-only plan for 2 bucks less. The way I travel all the time on the job meant that I wasn't really getting any value out of the DVD part.
Now if only Netflix would fix their streaming problem permanently. They seem to be down quite a bit nowadays, sometimes for hours. Maybe they can buy some better equipment with some of that $$ they're expecting to rake in.
Is Monday Night Football on ESPN3, or is it only on original ESPN?
our local sports teams
Unless you're following a sports team other than your local sports team, such as the professional team in the town where you grew up, the team to which your favorite player was traded, or the team of the college that your son or daughter attends.
are sharper on our HDTV than they were on cable.
Unless your team's game this week isn't shown on antenna TV at all because it's an ESPN-exclusive Monday night game.
what they did can be interpreted differently by different people.
here's my experience
1- I had streaming only before the price changes
2- nothing changed for me after the price changes
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I think AC's point is that you can use the proceeds from selling your current house to make a huge down payment on a house in the destination city.
and blockbuster took studios to court, and by the age of DVD in widespread release-- that was no longer applicable.
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Netflix isn't raising prices just for the hell of it. Prices get raised for two reasons: 1) Increased upstream costs (passed on to the customer), and/or 2) Increase in demand.
The reality is, Netflix has run the numbers and they believe that the demand for their product is such that most of their customer base will be willing to pay the higher price. They'll definitely have some attrition, but that loss in revenue will surely be replaced by the increase in revenue from the customers that stay. Believe me, they've already run these numbers.
Netflix has a great product, it is served through far more mechanisms than it used to be (phones, gaming consoles, televisions, set-top boxes). As demand has increased, I'm certain their delivery costs have increased. As Netflix's demand has increased, I'm sure the entertainment industry has raised their prices to meet the demand. It isn't that big of a deal. Okay, yes, they could have done a better job of publicly positioning the price alterations, but so what?
In the end, we have a company that raised the price of it's higher demand service and lowered the price of it's lower demand service. Is this really surprising?
Blockbuster. $23/month. 3 movies out at a time, unlimited in store exchanges, 1 video game rental a month. Yes, there is no streaming but there are many ways for me to get movies online if I feel like it. Sure, the rentals aren't as good as Gamefly but for the casual renter of movies and games, Blockbuster is hard to beat.
We are in the golden age of video rentals any way you look at it. $16/month for unlimited movies? That's basically free. I'm sure some of the other old timers can remember renting VHS for 4 or 5 bucks for a couple nights with late fees being the full rental price.
The sad thing is that streaming rentals is limited and there may come a time where the general public rues the day that they let the video stores close down. It's kinda nice to be able to go for a drive, rent a movie or two, and pick up an ice cream cone on the way home. On the flip side, I will enjoy the day where streaming lives up to its potential and lets me watch whatever, whenever. I suspect I won't like the price, however.
The real reason Netflix did this was because many of not all of their license deals were cost-based on how many subs Netflix had.
By pissing off significant numbers of subs, and gaining metric tons of easy to find bad press, Netflix can now go back to the license companies and plead poor house and how they have lost all these subs and can't pay the higher prices the licensors want. Oh woe is Netflix! Have you SEEN the Facebook hate? How could even Sony want more money from poor old Netflix in their time of sorrow?
And for the subs, if they actually stick around and pay the higher price, then Netflix wins that way too.
So anyway, Netflix does the license dance and plays poor mouth and gets a good deal. Then they turn around and invite back all the "lost" customers with some sort of sweetheart deal.
By the time the license deals are up for renewal, then mailing DVDs will actually be dead and off the table, which frees up Netflix to spend money on streaming.
Netflix hits two goals on this: one, instead of paying out the rear for licenses, they could get a better deal, and two, they push along the eventual end of DVDs by mail.
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Here is a possible scenario
Netflix bumps up its prices and builds up a large hoard of cash . . . .
Then the following might happen at a posh hotel/restaurant near you
"We at Netflix would like to offer your fine folks at the NFL an exclusive contract for so that we can have *exclusive* broadcast rights to all of your NFL football games."
"Well, what can you offer our viewers that our current TV network does not?"
"Total advertisement free coverage. In fact, this would be good for both your fans and your teams. You will no longer have to take time out in your games for commercial breaks. Your games will be shorter; your operating costs will go down and most importantly, your fans will like it." "Well, that seems to be a good deal"
And so, they sign up.
Now Netflix would be the exclusive carrier for NFL; no one can watch it without signing up with Netflix. . . . .
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I'm not a cheapskate, I just don't watch TV that much. I have the one DVD at a time plan because it would be a rare occasion to watch more than one move a week. The envelope will sometime sit for a week before opening. The streaming is nice for the spontaneity and for watching the occasional obscure title, but for me, no more than an hour a week. I get the lowest tier cable or satellite I can so I can watch the some random documentary on Discovery or maybe Tosh.0 for a half hour before I go to bed. I'm not a huge sports fan, but I like to be able to flip on the occasional home town team on Saturday or Sunday. Netflix service was worth $10 a month to me, but I will have to think long and hard to decide if it is worth $16. I think if you are an avid media consumer it is, but I am not.
A first class stamp cost 44 cents so that is 88 cents round trip right there. I'm pretty sure they don't get bulk rate, does anyone know for sure? I think bulk rate is slower than 1st class mail.
physical dvd players with display on your local device. $0.83 to rent a dvd for 2 weeks. since it is physical dvd, they have new releases.
library is small but very current right now, constantly growing. i like. i cancelled nflx.
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Surely Netflix could just do the same as apple or amazon and stream the dvd's they have purchased over the internet without doing a deal with the studios?
Have you noticed that the streaming titles have gone WAY down hill.
Have YOU noticed the streaming title selection is vastly superior to even a year or two ago?
There's no Stockholm syndrome involved, just a realization some studios are going to be stingy and Netflix will get what they can, when the can.
Not to mention that it was quite a while ago that they decided to withhold DVDs through the mail until they had been on the shelves/PPV for 3 FREAKING months.
That's not Amazon, that was the STUDIOS that decided Netflix was not going to get rental discs until three months after. That sucks but Netflix cannot change it.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
I don't know why this is modded funny, it's exactly what cane to mind when the news broke. When the price went up I switched to streaming only (Yes, i know that's exactly what Netflix wanted!) + TPB goodbye physical disks!
Netflix already was profitable.
Yes they were - under the old contract rates for content.
They would not be profitable under the new rates, now that the studios actually understand it's popular. They want a slice, a huge slice, of money for something they view as popular.
Be angry not at Netflix, but at the studios that call in an airstrike anywhere they hear of a goose about to lay an egg that seems it might be at all heavy.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
I changed my subscription from 3 dvds + streaming to streaming only. Not to teach Netflix a lesson or because I was angry with them, but because the price increase made me really look at whether I wanted to continue paying that kind of price. If there'd been no price increase I probably wouldn't have given it any real thought and continued at my current subscription level indefinitely. Significant price percentage increases have the negative effect of making people actually stop to think about how much they're paying and for what, and most subscription services will end up the worse for that scrutiny.
All it did was make me realize I never watched the DVD's I got, leaving them sitting on my shelf for months. Now I pay 2 bucks less for the only part I actually use, the streaming.
If you don't look at NetFlix Streaming cost as both then you're fooling yourself. Plus 60% is complete bullshit.
First world problem. Cry more, rich entitled privileged bourgeoisie, about how you can't drown out your lack of meaning for $10 a month.
To save money there are many older videos and TV series. Borrow them from your library.
In Central Mass, the inter-library loan system of cwmars.org let you request a video in another library and it is delivered to any library, not just the library in your town. I have the videos sent to a library that I pass on my commute.
I hated having to have a disc just to get streaming content... now I can have only what I want and effectively pay less for it.
to complain about any of my bills more than doubling.
I saw this (the original, not the remake) available via streaming in Netflix and put it in my Instant Que. A few weeks later, I went to watch it...not available. I had to get a disc sent to me because the capricious Content Lords think Three Card Monte is a legit business practice.
are data caps that will essentially kill Netflix streaming by adding a massive 'overage' fee by exceeding the limits. And of course, the nut-less FCC will do absolutely nothing in response.
i really don't have a problem for a price increase for streaming video from netflix.
my biggest complaint, is there is absolutely no linux support what so ever.
this is extremely frustrating as i pay for the subscription and am a valid customer.
we have all seen netflix come out for the playstation, xbox, and wii. it is highly
unfair that they single out linux based customers. it should be no more
of a challenge to create a web based plugin for firefox, then it is to create one for
the mac, or wii, or playstation. it gives the appearance of giving favoritism,
to either the film industry (recording industry of america) who is disgruntled
with the opensource community from pirating video and mp3, or to corporations
such as microsoft who use closed code. that my not be there intentions, but
it sure looks to me, on the surface that is what they are doing.
i hope at least that the increase will mean better quality and quantity of good
videos.
http://www.archive.org/details/movies
I downgraded my subscription from 3 to 2 DVDs and turned off the Blueray option. So they will be getting a few dollars less a month from me even after the price increase.
I like traffic lights
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I don't pay for shit. Thoughts?
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FWIW, try to find a phone number to call Netflix, or even an email address to submit suggestions on netflix.com. There aren't any.
Let's see, go to the netflix site, hit up the Your Account & Help button. I see a Contact Us link, what's under there....Call Customer Service? Seems they have 24 hour phone support. Phone number is right there, as well as a member code for faster support....
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What you want when you want? Are we talking about premium CHANNELS? Channels in case you remember are not on demand...well on demand flip to the channel and watch what they have on at that time.
You do get some bonus streaming features (like HBO on demand). But no way does your on demand streaming options with the $16 month premium channel package compare to Netflix when it comes to selection.
Seriously.
As a Linux user I could not use their streaming service due to their use of Microsoft Silverlight. Yet I paid the same as other Netflix users who could.
Netflix never offered me a discount nor apologized for this inequity. This has been going on for years.
I was on the $10 a month plan --- 1 DVD out at a time.
Now I pay about $8 a month for the same service -- 1 DVD out at a time.
That happened because Netflix's new plan structures gave me a choice of $16 a month for DVD delivery and streaming.....with the option to buy DVD delivery or streaming separtley.
At last the inequity is settled.
I learned to like streaming from hulu and some other assorted sites.......that run just fine with Linux. If I find a streaming site that plays nice with Linux, does things as well as Netflix and is close in price I am dumping Netflix.
Too many years in paying the same as other Netflix customers who got more soured me.
" please don't leave those dangling quote marks, it breaks Slashdot!
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
I would ditch Pirate Bay if I there was Netflix in my country. Hell, I would do that even if the price is twice it is now!
So say we all
The fact that Netflix is pretty much saying "LOL No, fuck you!" to all the outrage from its users about the increase. It has offered no apology or rational explanation for the spike other than the vague reasons it gives.
If this price increase doesn't hurt Netflix more than it helps, nothing will.
It may be inevitable that you have to raise your rates. But, you can go about it a little (lot) more pleasantly. You don't go out and dismiss it by saying oh it's just a couple of lattes. Sometimes it really is HOW you say it.
might have enough money to bribe the p***ks that be to allow to allow Netflix to be played on Linux. There is no reason it can't except for those who are forbidding it to be enabled on anything but an "Approved" operating system. Its not incompatible its greed from somewhere. Frankly, with the plethora of malware attacks where I work as the malware hitman (Malware Fixer/Remover) I consider windows a virus trap! I used to enjoy gaming and tweaking my windows but now I turn it on with a sickening sense of dread - am I going to be able to watch some show or play a game or am I going to have the joy of cleaning up yet another invasion? I don't have those worries with Linux - Yet! I would LOVE to be able to play netflix on Linux. For those with Netflix this is a show stopper - Literally!
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I don't care what it costs... No Commercials...Priceless...
I think it's pretty funny that a Netflix ad appeared on my page to the right of this discussion...
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Really, if you look at the inflation rate the $15 I've been paying for 2-disk service for the last 5 years the price should be up to about $18+ right now. So yeah, they bumped it to $20, a buck an change over the inflation rate, and if they aren't going to increase it again for another 5 years, I'll still be paying less than I was when it started.
This is a whole lot of outrage about nothing. I love how people cry "60%!!!!1!1!eleventyone!!" when we're talking about $4. My cable compay was rasing my rate every year by $10. You could sign up and get a discounted rate for a year, then they would raise your rate $50 at the end of the discounted year, and you would have to call up and bitch at them so they would put you into the NEW discount rate for a year that is $10 over your previous discount rate. Ingenious. I dropped them after my last rate hike, I called their sales line and said, "I have $100 to spend on internet and cable TV, what can you do?" And they had no offers that would meet those requirements. So I switched to AT&T DSL for $45/month and Netflix for $15 a month. Speaking of which, I should go bitch at AT&T and see if I can get a discounted rate again.
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BSG. First four seasons. No commercials. 'Nuff said.
Vote with your wallets.
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icefilms.info
sure it probably wont be around forever, but with my laptop hooked up to my tv and using Icefilms I have a near endless supply of TV shows, movies, etc and they are actually updated by "the community" far more often than Netflix.
I wish some of these companies could actually understand what consumers want, its painfully obvious since people are going out of their way to make media available asap. Leverage these people Netflix, pay them even.
Hell, I would pay a monthly fee to use Icefilms ad-free if it were to ever end up that way, which it won't. Licensing is the coffer killer.
I use a combination of Netflix (streaming only) for the majority of my entertainment needs, VUDU to get the same-day release streaming movies (its like $2 for 48 hour rental) and Redbox for whatever is left over. To hell with cable companies, on-demand, and whatnot. Unless its superbowl time, I refuse to watch advertisements and/or commercials.
The article referenced in the summary says nothing. It just asks some rhetorical questions. Am I supposed to LTFP (Listen to the F-ing Podcast?). There are dozens of good stories about why Netflix is raising its prices. Why lead with that one?
They only raised the price 60% on some plans. Mine was about $24 or so (with tax) with 3 out, streaming, + Blu-Ray. I think it's going up about $4. Hardly 60%.
I come across unchecked sentenses like this:
Will Spotify be able to displace some of the entrenched players in the space like Spotify and Rdio?
It's simple.
The number of providers has decreased now that video rental stores, large and small, have gone out of business.
Supply and demand.
Is it:
1) NF pays content owner lump sum $X and gets right to stream content unlimited number of times within specific time period
2) NF pays content owner $Z lump sum and then $Y for every time content is streamed
3) Mix of the above?
My public library has a great selection of DVDs and they will even ship them to the library branch just a few blocks away from my house. Yes, they are not free (taxes, but I pay for it whether I use it or not so I may as well use it.
NetFlix had a sweetheart deal with the studios that gave the studios second thoughts soon after. It was inevitable that their costs would go up substantially as soon as the contracts were renewed. However it's also inevitable that much of the free or inexpensive videos and programs are likely to disappear in the not too distant future. Depending on the channel, Adds (and channel logos) are any thing from a nuisance to intolerable. Often channels will put a crawler across the bottom that completely renders text associated with the image unreadable. Sci-Fi and Weather channels are particularly bad, but many others are close behind. Even subscription movie channels have logos and adds, so NetFlix doesn't look all that bad and they have premium content at a fraction of the cost of cable or satellite. However even with high speed broad band that is many times faster than needed even for HD videos, I often find pixelization, breakups, and pauses when viewing streaming. I've never found the problem to be at either end but some where in the middle using tracrt. The same program/movie can be downloaded in a fraction of the time and played with no problems so the speed has to be varying while streaming. It could also be some sort of interference I'd much prefer the ability to download movies or programs to watch for a week or two before pitching them as there are few I'd want to purchase, but I also find streaming to be rather intolerant of interruptions where I may have to leave for an hour or so.
I have a soft spot in my heart for Blockbuster since it’s the only place in my area where I can walk out the same day with my desired movie in hand without buying it. For my friends that went with Netflix they’re all outraged by the recent price increase and have decided to drop them all together. I believe this will bring attention to Blockbuster now that my employer, DISH Network, has acquired them. DISH is now offering new subscribers 3 months free of Blockbuster; this includes Blu-ray’s and video games with no late fees and no commitment after the trial. Here are some of the details http://bit.ly/l2OWJ8