I used to take the bus on 40 hours salary. I would work on the bus and be just as productive from the bus as I was at my desk. I would absolutely count the bus ride as part of my '8 hours in the office'. So it would be an hour to work, 6 hours in the office, and an hour back. I don't really understand not getting paid for overtime. If I work overtime, I take the time off in lieu of.
Well, so far Google hasn't taken their cars off the road to fix this. Are you telling me this was a problem yesterday but it isn't one today? If their cars are still on the road today and since the problem has been reported they are not taking the problem seriously.
You can go on blathering about how humans are imperfect, but the truth is, humans drive over 400K miles in all conditions without getting into an accident; a target automated cars can only dream of. The people you see making mistakes are an exception not the norm. You just fail to recognize the number of people you see in a day driving successfully and putting it into perspective.
The first problem is that a vast majority of people on north american roads fail to follow the rules of the road (usually regarding following too closely, speeding and coming to a complete stop when required to).
The woman I read about in the article did not hit the car and thus was NOT following too closely. However, drivers who maintain space tend to want to continue maintaining space. Therefore it is still stressful when someone in front of you is jamming on the breaks for no reason.
The Second problem is that this new technology is expected to work with out bugs from the get go
Don't expect humans to automatically embrace these 'bugs'. Many people have spend years working on learning to drive around human drivers. Don't throw robot drivers into the mix and just expect humans to catch on to their unpredictable nature. It is the robot drivers that are clearly in the wrong because they are changing the equation.
People think that there will somehow magically be an algorithm that makes the cars transport from one drop-off point to the next pick-up point. Or that 70% of them will disappear from existence between rush-hours when not needed, thus eliminating the need for the users of the car service to subsidize them during that time.
I wish I had mod points. I doubt he didn't count the humans that drove successfully that day. However, if one Google car makes a mistake we know for a fact they all are.
Because if you are leaving space between you and another car, and that other car stops suddenly, you have to stop suddenly as well. If you don't stop suddenly, there isn't enough space any longer and some asshole like you comes along to blame you for the accident.
I have adaptive cruise control. It's great, I love it. But there have been a couple situations (all rainy ones) where I had to slam on the brakes because it was clearly not going to stop. It causes me to ask myself if I am stupid for using it, because I am just temping fate. One day it won't stop and I won't catch it in time. It's not like my auto vendor is going to take the blame for that.
I don't care whose fault each individual accident is. Creating an accident-causing situation over and over and not fixing it is plain ignorance. If I leave my front door open and tell everyone when I'm not home it's my fault when my house gets robbed even though the thief goes to jail. It's common sense that you shouldn't be ignoring a dangerous situation.
Waiting for a break in traffic where most people could have gone three times over is not 'following traffic laws'. Stopping suddenly when there is no visible reason is not 'following traffic laws'.
Most of the problems I see with Google cars is an inability to anticipate, which is what has been called out from the beginning. They must be in a situation where everything is in their sensors to move forward and driving just doesn't work that way.
A person being 'alarmed' by another car stopping suddenly in front of them is completely understandable. A person being frustrated with a car waiting at an intersection when they clearly could have gone three times is understandable. If the person drives around the car and still has time, there is definitely something very wrong with the Google cars.
Seeing one person out of ten thousand make a mistake, and then holding all people responsible for that mistake is bullshit. Seeing one Google self driving car make a mistake and holding all Google self driving cars responsible for that mistake is a reality of self driving.
Stopping suddenly in front of a person for no reason is NOT driving correctly. Waiting longer at an intersection than reasonable is NOT driving correctly. I'm Canadian and I would get pissed off at that too.
Right but if you stop suddenly in front of someone you're an ASSHOLE. Don't blame people for being frustrated with assholes in traffic. It is entirely within Google's power to do better, they just don't want to.
They aren't going to work on the same roads as humans if they are "failing differently", nor can you expect a human to "just deal with it" until they have had a great deal of experience driving with automated cars.
You can't envision a closed off area where there is enough room for multiple cars to drive? Heck, I've seen Mythbusters episodes in such areas. Besides, you don't need a lab to know that people who stop suddenly for no reason are assholes; all that is needed is to apply that to self driving.
I also fear they will one day be driving next to one another at the speed limit, completely oblivious to the fact that there are 20 cars behind them wanting to drive 10 over the speed limit. I would hope one would navigate behind the other in that case, but seeing as turning corners properly is a luxury at this point I guess we can expect a lot of road rage incidents.
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Humans drive 460,000 miles a year between accidents, in all conditions, sometimes without clear markings even.
I used to take the bus on 40 hours salary. I would work on the bus and be just as productive from the bus as I was at my desk. I would absolutely count the bus ride as part of my '8 hours in the office'. So it would be an hour to work, 6 hours in the office, and an hour back. I don't really understand not getting paid for overtime. If I work overtime, I take the time off in lieu of.
Well, so far Google hasn't taken their cars off the road to fix this. Are you telling me this was a problem yesterday but it isn't one today? If their cars are still on the road today and since the problem has been reported they are not taking the problem seriously.
You can go on blathering about how humans are imperfect, but the truth is, humans drive over 400K miles in all conditions without getting into an accident; a target automated cars can only dream of. The people you see making mistakes are an exception not the norm. You just fail to recognize the number of people you see in a day driving successfully and putting it into perspective.
The first problem is that a vast majority of people on north american roads fail to follow the rules of the road (usually regarding following too closely, speeding and coming to a complete stop when required to).
The woman I read about in the article did not hit the car and thus was NOT following too closely. However, drivers who maintain space tend to want to continue maintaining space. Therefore it is still stressful when someone in front of you is jamming on the breaks for no reason.
The Second problem is that this new technology is expected to work with out bugs from the get go
Don't expect humans to automatically embrace these 'bugs'. Many people have spend years working on learning to drive around human drivers. Don't throw robot drivers into the mix and just expect humans to catch on to their unpredictable nature. It is the robot drivers that are clearly in the wrong because they are changing the equation.
People think that there will somehow magically be an algorithm that makes the cars transport from one drop-off point to the next pick-up point. Or that 70% of them will disappear from existence between rush-hours when not needed, thus eliminating the need for the users of the car service to subsidize them during that time.
I wish I had mod points. I doubt he didn't count the humans that drove successfully that day. However, if one Google car makes a mistake we know for a fact they all are.
Because if you are leaving space between you and another car, and that other car stops suddenly, you have to stop suddenly as well. If you don't stop suddenly, there isn't enough space any longer and some asshole like you comes along to blame you for the accident.
Especially since there will be added cost for the technology, someone to wipe the lenses every hour, added maintenance, etc etc.
I have adaptive cruise control. It's great, I love it. But there have been a couple situations (all rainy ones) where I had to slam on the brakes because it was clearly not going to stop. It causes me to ask myself if I am stupid for using it, because I am just temping fate. One day it won't stop and I won't catch it in time. It's not like my auto vendor is going to take the blame for that.
I don't care whose fault each individual accident is. Creating an accident-causing situation over and over and not fixing it is plain ignorance. If I leave my front door open and tell everyone when I'm not home it's my fault when my house gets robbed even though the thief goes to jail. It's common sense that you shouldn't be ignoring a dangerous situation.
These people didn't hit the cars. It's still annoying as hell when you have to slam on the breaks just to maintain that comfortable space.
Waiting for a break in traffic where most people could have gone three times over is not 'following traffic laws'. Stopping suddenly when there is no visible reason is not 'following traffic laws'.
Most of the problems I see with Google cars is an inability to anticipate, which is what has been called out from the beginning. They must be in a situation where everything is in their sensors to move forward and driving just doesn't work that way.
A person being 'alarmed' by another car stopping suddenly in front of them is completely understandable. A person being frustrated with a car waiting at an intersection when they clearly could have gone three times is understandable. If the person drives around the car and still has time, there is definitely something very wrong with the Google cars.
Seeing one person out of ten thousand make a mistake, and then holding all people responsible for that mistake is bullshit. Seeing one Google self driving car make a mistake and holding all Google self driving cars responsible for that mistake is a reality of self driving.
Stopping suddenly in front of a person for no reason is NOT driving correctly. Waiting longer at an intersection than reasonable is NOT driving correctly. I'm Canadian and I would get pissed off at that too.
Is the car going to come back in a couple hours with our groceries because my wife couldn't unload them earlier in the day?
Right but if you stop suddenly in front of someone you're an ASSHOLE. Don't blame people for being frustrated with assholes in traffic. It is entirely within Google's power to do better, they just don't want to.
My kids will never be using one of these illegitimate "services".
Why doesn't Amazon have a message that says "Your data is not protected, are you sure you want to do this?"
Doesn't seem to matter where I work, since hardly anyone works in the office.
They aren't going to work on the same roads as humans if they are "failing differently", nor can you expect a human to "just deal with it" until they have had a great deal of experience driving with automated cars.
You can't envision a closed off area where there is enough room for multiple cars to drive? Heck, I've seen Mythbusters episodes in such areas. Besides, you don't need a lab to know that people who stop suddenly for no reason are assholes; all that is needed is to apply that to self driving.
Where I work, at home employees are just as entitled to apply for new positions as in office employees are.
I also fear they will one day be driving next to one another at the speed limit, completely oblivious to the fact that there are 20 cars behind them wanting to drive 10 over the speed limit. I would hope one would navigate behind the other in that case, but seeing as turning corners properly is a luxury at this point I guess we can expect a lot of road rage incidents.