You can see where MS has tried to make their IDE work for web dev - it sure would be nice if they eventually get it right!
In the days of.net Winforms development, the MS IDE was the best in the business, no question about it. You're right, they have gotten a lot better - particularly with Java debugging - but they have a ways to go.
Digital Interactive is agile to the max, runs best on lean tools. Microsoft is stuck in a waterfall era, tools with every single possible option (and licensing costs to match). Just look at how easy it is to setup an svn or git repo, with three tiers of servers (dev, stage, prod) -.vs. what it takes to setup a TFS environment. Crazy. Look at the price of a fully provisioned MS developer desktop & server compared to a Linux desktop with netbeans. Look how easy it is to setup decent security on a Linux server....
Why would I have servers in house when I can be in a world class data center for $50/u per month? MS still thinks we all have internal data centers.
Open Source VPN is great, but it doesn't do Windows, if I want a Windows VPN I'll end up paying through the nose for that.
As a guy who earned his MCSD back in the C++ days, and his MCAD.net with C#/Winforms/ASP.net it's all very sad, as I actually LIKE Microsoft, and think their stuff is pretty good. SQL Server, for example, absolutely rocks compared to MySQL. But the clients see the $6,000 license fee, plus the Windows Server license, and they choose LAMP. Which is why we have 17 Unix Web servers... and 3 Windows Web servers.
The only headline that will garner more clicks than an Apple.vs. the Galaxy story is one on global warming/cooling/climate change er disruption whatever.
Microsoft's real rev share - the Military, the F100 - are not going to web based applications as fast as you might think. They have billions invested in desktop systems - e.g. Windows Forms - and if these applications work, there is no reason to change them "just because".
I've often wondered exactly how much of MS's revenue comes from consumers relative to government/F100. The conclusion is always the same - the really dumb things they do were because the big boys said they wanted it.
Does J. Random User exist anymore? He's probably buying a tablet:-)
Exactly. And yes, MAC Office is butchered office that sort of kind of more or less is Office but not really.
For the majority of users, Open Office, or Google Docs is all they need. Some of us need to create complex proposals and specs (Word), manage complex number crunching and tracking (Excel with macros). Power Point - in the hands of the right person - can do some pretty incredible stuff. Access is, of course, complete garbage but there are legacy systems galore written in it that keep a lot of people employed.
Outlook sucks beyond sucking - but is still the least sucky email client for people with multiple email addresses - that need to be kept seperate, more than 200 emails a day, and the need to search old emails looking for client/project info.
If you're moving files between Linux servers and Windows boxes, you're doing a lot of ftp. MS FTP is still passive - as it was written in the days when computers were all on hardwired, local LAN's... IE ftp is great for a casual small file transfer but if you want to move 30,000 files from your web server it is not the best choice. FTP on port 21 is not all there is, either! There is secure ftp sftp - and key protected SSH ftp, scp.
Linux does ftp/sftp/scp without it getting in the way - a remote machine looks, acts, and feels like another folder in the file system. This makes the most sense...
MS only does this with MS shared volumes. That made sense when the server was in the same office as you. An MS Shared volume on a server on the Internet is a giant sign that says "Welcome Hackers"
MS still doesn't get the Internet and how people work today in Web Dev - which is why they have lost just about all of it to nix/PHP. This is a real shame, because MS IDE's are some of the best ever made.
You can bet that Microsoft's big high dollar clients loved it. They don't give a rats ass about individual consumers, as they account for a tiny fraction of sales.
Which would be the smallest part of the market, that no company really cares about because the margins are razor thin, and the support expectations are absurd....
Don't forget that MS - after all these years - still can't do FTP without a third party app. Which, when you think about it, is pretty amazing. Can't do WebDAV shares, either, which is also insane.
Given that you can switch to the metro tiles and start typing the name of what you want to run, and a list of matching apps comes up, I really don't see the issue. That was the best feature in Windows 7, they didn't kill it, they just made it harder to find. If I want to run word, I type word... and hit return.
Gee just like Linux imagine that. Come to think of it, didn't all computers work this way before somebody decided users were idiots and everything had to be made all gui pretty?
Sure, they broke damn near everything for the home user... Windows 8 out of the box won't play a video outside of the web browser - and has no codecs for any format. Movie Maker just crashes on anything longer than 1 minute. The Metro version of all of the apps suck beyond sucking. They are killing Skype for everyone. But the start menu, I mean really, WHO CARES???
Kernel mode.vs. User Mode, meaning that a user program couldn't crash the whole machine
Mouse
The Command Line
Using a language to program a computer with
Hint - Not Steve Jobs. Apple, like Microsoft, invented very little. What they did was take the inventions of others, and package them in different ways. The Apple ][ was an S-100 bus computer with a cheaper processor (A Motorola 6809 if I remember properly) that ran a re-hacked version of CP/M. MS-DOS was CP/M with a BASIC interpreter and a new name. etc.
It's a very bad situation for recreational boaters, too. And before somebody starts the "Well only EVIL RICH PEOPLE own boats so screw them" then explain how my $1500 1986 Bayliner fishing boat makes me a rich person...
Boats with integral fiberglass fuel tanks are simply toast - worthless, as the Ethanol eats the glass. Boats stored for the winter, always have problems come Spring, no matter how much overpriced fuel drying agent one pours in there.
This isn't for consumers, it's for business clients, especially those in HealthCare and the Military. Stacked against the competition - this is right in there.
It's only cheaper if you need a temporary instance for a few hours, or weeks.
I have yet to find a single cloud provider who at the end of it all doesn't charge double for the same thing I get with hardware I own sitting in someone Else's leased rack. If I was crazy enough to have a closet in the office full of servers - with a window rattler A/C and my own pipe this might not be true but who actually hosts web sites on this kind of configuration anymore?
When COLO rack space with a terabyte of outbound bandwidth is $50/u per month, and a shiny new insanely powerful server with a 3-4 year minimum service life is around six grand why on earth would I pay Amazon EC2 $800 a month just to say "I am in the cloud"
Are you personally involved in the Auto industry? Do you live within a 100 miles of Detroit? If the answer to either of these questions is no, with all due respect, Sir, or Madam, you are seriously mistaken.
GM is on life support TODAY. Ask someone who works there.
Fiat was ready to buy the assets of GM. The UAW said "You can't buy these plants unless they are staffed with UAW members". Fiat said "No way". So the Democrats could either kill one of their biggest cash cows... probably losing the 2012 elections for lack of money to buy votes, or they could send the UAW a big fat bribe.
Well we all know what they did. And when GM fails, again. you can bet your bottom dollar if Democrats are in office, they will need to be "saved", again, and they will tell the same lies about how they "saved the auto industry"
GM is on life support today. As Ford - who took no dirty money - is planning on putting WiFi routers in every Ford vehicle starting in 2015 GM has to try and do something to convince the millennial market they are still hip and cool.
GM didn't get bailed out by the government, the UAW did. In Detroit, the difference between the mafia, the UAW, and the Democratic party... is zero, they are all the same. Ask someone who lives here.
So for the last several years "scientists" have been howling that the Arctic ice caps were melting, a new permanent Northwest passage would open, and it's all due to global warming. It's proof they said, absolute proof.
Well the Arctic ice cap is bigger than EVER! WTF happened there? Well, they were wrong - duh. So now the Antarctic ice cap is melting? And this is a horrible, terrible, OMG crisis?
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. And yet... as always... it matters not one bit to either side. The same old tired arguments that were shouted at each other YESTERDAY are once again shouted at each other TODAY, with many insults being hurled, and everybody calling everybody else a dumb ass. Can we please find something new to argue about? This has all gotten so ridiculously boring. The comment count = 508 on yesterday's climate click bait, 557 on today's - it's all the same people even....
The fact that many of these folks don't have electricity doesn't matter when applying for government grants to help the world's poor get online, apparently...
When they get online, what, exactly do we anticipate they will do?
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You can see where MS has tried to make their IDE work for web dev - it sure would be nice if they eventually get it right!
In the days of .net Winforms development, the MS IDE was the best in the business, no question about it. You're right, they have gotten a lot better - particularly with Java debugging - but they have a ways to go.
.vs. what it takes to setup a TFS environment. Crazy. Look at the price of a fully provisioned MS developer desktop & server compared to a Linux desktop with netbeans. Look how easy it is to setup decent security on a Linux server....
Digital Interactive is agile to the max, runs best on lean tools. Microsoft is stuck in a waterfall era, tools with every single possible option (and licensing costs to match). Just look at how easy it is to setup an svn or git repo, with three tiers of servers (dev, stage, prod) -
Why would I have servers in house when I can be in a world class data center for $50/u per month? MS still thinks we all have internal data centers.
Open Source VPN is great, but it doesn't do Windows, if I want a Windows VPN I'll end up paying through the nose for that.
As a guy who earned his MCSD back in the C++ days, and his MCAD.net with C#/Winforms/ASP.net it's all very sad, as I actually LIKE Microsoft, and think their stuff is pretty good. SQL Server, for example, absolutely rocks compared to MySQL. But the clients see the $6,000 license fee, plus the Windows Server license, and they choose LAMP. Which is why we have 17 Unix Web servers... and 3 Windows Web servers.
The only headline that will garner more clicks than an Apple .vs. the Galaxy story is one on global warming/cooling/climate change er disruption whatever.
Am I reading this right? That Objective-C is too hard and we need to remove the idea of strongly typed variables? Please, please tell me it isn't so.
Murphy's best law Design a system even a fool can use, and only fools will use it
Microsoft's real rev share - the Military, the F100 - are not going to web based applications as fast as you might think. They have billions invested in desktop systems - e.g. Windows Forms - and if these applications work, there is no reason to change them "just because".
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I've often wondered exactly how much of MS's revenue comes from consumers relative to government/F100. The conclusion is always the same - the really dumb things they do were because the big boys said they wanted it.
Does J. Random User exist anymore? He's probably buying a tablet
Exactly. And yes, MAC Office is butchered office that sort of kind of more or less is Office but not really.
For the majority of users, Open Office, or Google Docs is all they need. Some of us need to create complex proposals and specs (Word), manage complex number crunching and tracking (Excel with macros). Power Point - in the hands of the right person - can do some pretty incredible stuff. Access is, of course, complete garbage but there are legacy systems galore written in it that keep a lot of people employed.
Outlook sucks beyond sucking - but is still the least sucky email client for people with multiple email addresses - that need to be kept seperate, more than 200 emails a day, and the need to search old emails looking for client/project info.
If you're moving files between Linux servers and Windows boxes, you're doing a lot of ftp. MS FTP is still passive - as it was written in the days when computers were all on hardwired, local LAN's... IE ftp is great for a casual small file transfer but if you want to move 30,000 files from your web server it is not the best choice. FTP on port 21 is not all there is, either! There is secure ftp sftp - and key protected SSH ftp, scp.
Linux does ftp/sftp/scp without it getting in the way - a remote machine looks, acts, and feels like another folder in the file system. This makes the most sense...
MS only does this with MS shared volumes. That made sense when the server was in the same office as you. An MS Shared volume on a server on the Internet is a giant sign that says "Welcome Hackers"
MS still doesn't get the Internet and how people work today in Web Dev - which is why they have lost just about all of it to nix/PHP. This is a real shame, because MS IDE's are some of the best ever made.
You can bet that Microsoft's big high dollar clients loved it. They don't give a rats ass about individual consumers, as they account for a tiny fraction of sales.
If Linux ran Goto Meeting... and MS Office.... it would crush MS. No, Open Office and Google docs are NOT MS Office.
Not having a G2M client on Linux is a real deal breaker though.
In 8.1 you can set it to boot to desktop - which means you treat the metro tiles as the start menu, done.
Which would be the smallest part of the market, that no company really cares about because the margins are razor thin, and the support expectations are absurd....
Don't forget that MS - after all these years - still can't do FTP without a third party app. Which, when you think about it, is pretty amazing. Can't do WebDAV shares, either, which is also insane.
Given that you can switch to the metro tiles and start typing the name of what you want to run, and a list of matching apps comes up, I really don't see the issue. That was the best feature in Windows 7, they didn't kill it, they just made it harder to find. If I want to run word, I type word... and hit return.
Gee just like Linux imagine that. Come to think of it, didn't all computers work this way before somebody decided users were idiots and everything had to be made all gui pretty?
Sure, they broke damn near everything for the home user... Windows 8 out of the box won't play a video outside of the web browser - and has no codecs for any format. Movie Maker just crashes on anything longer than 1 minute. The Metro version of all of the apps suck beyond sucking. They are killing Skype for everyone. But the start menu, I mean really, WHO CARES???
Who invented these things?
.vs. User Mode, meaning that a user program couldn't crash the whole machine
Detachable Keyboard
Software based interrupts
Kernel mode
Mouse
The Command Line
Using a language to program a computer with
Hint - Not Steve Jobs. Apple, like Microsoft, invented very little. What they did was take the inventions of others, and package them in different ways. The Apple ][ was an S-100 bus computer with a cheaper processor (A Motorola 6809 if I remember properly) that ran a re-hacked version of CP/M. MS-DOS was CP/M with a BASIC interpreter and a new name. etc.
It's a very bad situation for recreational boaters, too. And before somebody starts the "Well only EVIL RICH PEOPLE own boats so screw them" then explain how my $1500 1986 Bayliner fishing boat makes me a rich person...
Boats with integral fiberglass fuel tanks are simply toast - worthless, as the Ethanol eats the glass. Boats stored for the winter, always have problems come Spring, no matter how much overpriced fuel drying agent one pours in there.
This isn't for consumers, it's for business clients, especially those in HealthCare and the Military. Stacked against the competition - this is right in there.
It's only cheaper if you need a temporary instance for a few hours, or weeks.
I have yet to find a single cloud provider who at the end of it all doesn't charge double for the same thing I get with hardware I own sitting in someone Else's leased rack. If I was crazy enough to have a closet in the office full of servers - with a window rattler A/C and my own pipe this might not be true but who actually hosts web sites on this kind of configuration anymore?
When COLO rack space with a terabyte of outbound bandwidth is $50/u per month, and a shiny new insanely powerful server with a 3-4 year minimum service life is around six grand why on earth would I pay Amazon EC2 $800 a month just to say "I am in the cloud"
About who was bailed out, duh.
Are you personally involved in the Auto industry? Do you live within a 100 miles of Detroit? If the answer to either of these questions is no, with all due respect, Sir, or Madam, you are seriously mistaken.
Uh sorry to burst your bubble but MICROSOFT wrote Sync and FORD vehicles run on Windows CE.
This would be the "bunch of random people" you are referring to.
GM is on life support TODAY. Ask someone who works there.
Fiat was ready to buy the assets of GM. The UAW said "You can't buy these plants unless they are staffed with UAW members". Fiat said "No way". So the Democrats could either kill one of their biggest cash cows... probably losing the 2012 elections for lack of money to buy votes, or they could send the UAW a big fat bribe.
Well we all know what they did. And when GM fails, again. you can bet your bottom dollar if Democrats are in office, they will need to be "saved", again, and they will tell the same lies about how they "saved the auto industry"
The UAW was bailed out. Not GM. Simple.
TOO FUNNY. This is how Social Security works "a government managed fund". What happened there? Well, the politicians stole the money, that's what.
We have the highest corporate tax rate in the world - and you want to increase it? Let's push them all outside our borders as fast as we can, okay?
GM is on life support today. As Ford - who took no dirty money - is planning on putting WiFi routers in every Ford vehicle starting in 2015 GM has to try and do something to convince the millennial market they are still hip and cool.
GM didn't get bailed out by the government, the UAW did. In Detroit, the difference between the mafia, the UAW, and the Democratic party... is zero, they are all the same. Ask someone who lives here.
So for the last several years "scientists" have been howling that the Arctic ice caps were melting, a new permanent Northwest passage would open, and it's all due to global warming. It's proof they said, absolute proof.
Well the Arctic ice cap is bigger than EVER! WTF happened there? Well, they were wrong - duh. So now the Antarctic ice cap is melting? And this is a horrible, terrible, OMG crisis?
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. And yet... as always... it matters not one bit to either side. The same old tired arguments that were shouted at each other YESTERDAY are once again shouted at each other TODAY, with many insults being hurled, and everybody calling everybody else a dumb ass. Can we please find something new to argue about? This has all gotten so ridiculously boring. The comment count = 508 on yesterday's climate click bait, 557 on today's - it's all the same people even....
The fact that many of these folks don't have electricity doesn't matter when applying for government grants to help the world's poor get online, apparently...
When they get online, what, exactly do we anticipate they will do?