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Apple Says Many Users 'Bought an Android Phone By Mistake'

mrspoonsi (2955715) writes "Apple CEO Tim Cook during his keynote said that around 130 million customers have purchased their first Apple device in the last twelve months. He states, 'Many of these customers were switchers from Android,' he said. 'They had bought an Android phone by mistake, and then had sought a better experience and a better life.' He added that almost half of those who have purchased an iPhone in China since December have switched from Android. However, it is worth noting that iPhones were not actually available in China until December, when pre-orders began, so it is unclear how much of the device's popularity there is simply down to the novelty factor, rather than a burning desire to flee from Android."

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  1. It true !!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    It the best mistake of my life ! :o)

    1. Re:It true !!!! by Z00L00K · · Score: 5, Insightful

      An android phone is quite flexible and allows quite a bit of freedom to the user. An Apple phone may look cool, but as soon as you think of stuff that you like (other favorite web browser etc.) you are toast.

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    2. Re:It true !!!! by jjhall · · Score: 5, Insightful

      My wife and I have had "smartphones" (starting with Palm and the older Windows Mobile) for pushing 10 years now. We'd had Android phones for about 4 years, then we switched carriers in October. My wife decided she wanted to give an iPhone a try. I have an iPad for work, and she liked how it worked. She liked it for a couple of weeks, then the limitations started to get in the way. No external storage. Certain apps not available that she wanted. Settings she wasn't allowed to change such as default apps. In March we got her a new S4 and gave the iPhone to my daughter. 6 months is all she could stand being locked into Apple's walled garden. She didn't realize how open the Android system is in comparison to iOS.

      If anything, I think Cook has it backwards. People go in looking for a smart phone and get sold an iPhone instead. If people are looking for an iPhone and walk out with an Android device I think it is more likely because of the price difference from an entry-level Android vs. an iPhone. It is very doubtful that they don't understand the difference with all of the marketing and hype surrounding both platforms. That or Apple is seriously underestimating the cognitive abilities of its customers, which is insulting at best.

    3. Re:It true !!!! by Chrisq · · Score: 3, Informative

      An android phone is quite flexible and allows quite a bit of freedom to the user. An Apple phone may look cool, but as soon as you think of stuff that you like (other favorite web browser etc.) you are toast.

      My daughter pestered and pestered for an iphone, as all her friends had one. Once she got one and found that there were much fewer free apps, and those that were free were mostly demos the novelty wore off.

    4. Re:It true !!!! by Penguinisto · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I bought my little Android phone intentionally. At $150 with a Net10 sub ($45/mo for unlimited everything, and it uses Verizon's towers), the little Huawei Ascend is cheap, it does what I want it to do, and runs quite nicely. Why am I so cheap about my phone? Because if it gets lost, broke or stolen, so what? I'll just get another one.

      By contrast, a $600 iPhone or Galaxy or whatever with the typical carrier's shitty plan/contract/caps/bullshit/etc isn't exactly my idea of Nirvana. I got better things to do with the extra dosh.

      Mind you, I'm not a fanboy of any camp; I have an Android phone, a box at home running Linux Mint, and a MacBook Pro (I prefer UNIX/Linux for my lap/desktop - sue me.) Pint is, Android has its limitations (esp. when integrating with the MBP), but it also has its advantages (like actual file management instead of $#@^! iTunes).

      To each their own... I've begun to reach an age where watching fanboys go nuts trying to defend their idol is entertainment, not a call to arms (well, except when it comes to Microsoft... fuck Microsoft.)

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    5. Re:It true !!!! by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 4, Funny

      An android phone is quite flexible

      *snap*

      Crap.

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    6. Re:It true !!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On an iphone can an attachment be added to an email yet, that would probably be nice.

    7. Re:It true !!!! by Shadowmist · · Score: 1

      I recently got a Galaxy 3 through Craigslist. I still miss my iPhone. I'm schizo enough about it to still want one and I believe I'd wind up switching between the two on a weekly basis. Although once I'm on 10.10 and IOS 8, I believe I'd be on the iphone full time.

    8. Re:It true !!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everyone in my workplace has iPhone with the exception of myself and one other co-worker. When I first started working there people gave me shit about having an android, which is weird in and of itself, but over time they're beginning to see the benefits over the iPhone as far as our apps and stability go. Slowly they're seeing that while the iPhone is super simple to use and is a trendy thing to have, the benefits of having more freedom to customize your usage and the long-term stability are starting to rock the boat.

    9. Re:It true !!!! by timeOday · · Score: 1

      I have been behind the curve on smarthphones too (I think I got it out of my system earlier with Psions/Palms/PocketPCs). But I recently got an $89 LG Android for my wife, and it's so much hardware for so cheap it makes me wonder what could make the $600 worth it? It seems to have pretty much everything, except the 3MP camera is sucky. So, maybe $150 like yours is the sweet spot. But $600? What's in them?

    10. Re:It true !!!! by Plammox · · Score: 0, Troll

      "long-term stability"

      Citation needed. I haven't customized the shit out of my new Nexus 5, but I have experienced the odd freeze-up, requiring a restart. I don't recall ever seeing that on my old iOS device, and quite frankly, the ability to make your UI look like even more like shit is not something I'd choose another time. And while Apple's garden may be walled, Google's is under constant surveillance, recorded for later use.

      Everyone says that Android is the bee's knees. I just don't see it.

    11. Re:It true !!!! by Noah+Haders · · Score: 0

      I call BS too. what was she using external storage for? which apps weren't available, given that there are millions of apps? I think you're making up a fake character with pretend problems.

    12. Re:It true !!!! by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      what stability issues? does malware make it more stable? my phone is rock solid. and where is this "app gapp?"

    13. Re:It true !!!! by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      yes. in many programs you can forward a file to somebody ("share with"). Within the email program you can copy attachments and paste them into the new message. in the browser you can compy pictures and paste them into a message. you're welcome.

    14. Re:It true !!!! by amicusNYCL · · Score: 0

      Whaaaat? You're saying that purchasing a device designed by Apple did not magically cause your wife's life to improve as Tim Cook asserts? But how can that be true when the head of Apple claims otherwise?

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    15. Re:It true !!!! by ColdWetDog · · Score: 3, Interesting

      To be fair, it is a bit backwards From The Way It Has Always Been Done. You don't attach a file to an email (since iOS doesn't like the idea of free floating 'files' running around and contaminating things), you use the app that created the data to take the data from that app and move it somewhere else (in this case via email).

      You don't think of it as moving or emailing a file. That is doubleplusungood.

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    16. Re:It true !!!! by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

      I just got my wife another iPhone 4S to replace the dead 3GS. It cost $22. As long as you stay away from the bleeding edge, all of these things are essentially disposable. If I knew I could snag a new 4S for that cheap I might have foregone messing with the battery in my own 4S.

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    17. Re:It true !!!! by amicusNYCL · · Score: 0

      what was she using external storage for?

      Are you trying to assert that there exists no use case for external storage? How about a library of movies or TV shows that you downloaded using the Pirate Bay Browser? You have the Pirate Bay Browser on iPhone, right? Oh, you don't, because it's one the apps available for Android but not iOS. The top of that article has links to the previous 2 parts with another 10 apps they highlight.

      which apps weren't available

      How about an alternate web browser?

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    18. Re:It true !!!! by Bigbutt · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I have an Android and an iPhone and find the iPhone works better for what I need it for. While I've been frustrated from time to time with the iPhone, it doesn't take more than a minute or two of using the Android before I'm ready to pitch the damn thing into a nearby lake. It's nothing about available apps or external storage or anything, just basic usability. Being able to compose an email or text someone.

      [John]

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    19. Re:It true !!!! by HappyPsycho · · Score: 3, Informative

      I can carry my music collection around on my phone (It doesn't fit on internal storage especially after I install a few large games e.g. plants vs zombies is 374MB). I use Osmand+ which allows me to have offline maps, the data file for Florida is 120MB, california is near 400M and will only increase as the Open street maps data gets more detailed (I had no data connections while I was visiting the US, prepaid data is very expensive).

      One of my co-workers has 2 kids and having elmo or some movie available on his phone is probably the only reason he still has hair. Streaming for him is not an option as we are not in the US where 4g (or decent data connection) is available when you are not at home or by a friend (The last time his wife went to the DMV with them was not a fun experience, she is ecstatic that one is now in kindergarden).

    20. Re:It true !!!! by amicusNYCL · · Score: 0

      also there's no stupid customization apps like putting cats everywhere.

      I'm not sure how that relates to anything I said. The customization apps pointed to in the article are not stupid, they are useful. Imagine something that is not just a gimmick, but actually useful. It's tough for an iPhone user, I know, but try.

      I don't know anybody who pirates shows to a sd card and watches them on their phone. i'm pretty sure that use case is imaginary.

      Sorry, I didn't realize you know all smartphone users. I guess the "1 million plus" downloads and 29,294 reviews of The Pirate Bay Browser on the Google Play store are imaginary.

      apps: on iPhone you're locked in

      You could have just stopped there.

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    21. Re:It true !!!! by xevioso · · Score: 1

      There's something like 250,000 apps available on the iPhone, most or many of which are free. I call BS.

    22. Re:It true !!!! by meerling · · Score: 2

      Three of my friends had Android phones, and then (at different times) bought iphones. None of them went more than a year before switching back to Androids. One of them had to wait for the 'free' upgrade to become available.

    23. Re:It true !!!! by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Your anecdote doesn't really mean much. Apple has much better retention than other companies, and when you look at buying intention or people who have switched, the numbers do come out on Apple's side. It's nice that you and your wife have found things that work for you. When I borrowed a Nexus 4 for a week, I had to struggle to make it a week before I went back to my iPhone 4. I just couldn't find anything particularly redeeming about Android phones that I didn't get from my iPhone (other than the speed of a new phone, obviously, but any new phone would give me that; and the price).

      You're assuming he means that they purchased the phones 'by accident' rather than what he probably intended, which is that they later had buyer's remorse and felt they'd made a mistake. He's deliberately blurring the meaning here, but he's almost certainly not claiming that people went home with phones and didn't realise until later that they weren't made by Apple.

    24. Re: It true !!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've only ever seen iFan complain about malware on Android. Why so concerned? Outside of those in Russia we're not really worried about it.

    25. Re: It true !!!! by fwplayers · · Score: 1

      I've only ever seen iFan complain about malware on Android. Why so concerned? Outside of those in Russia we're not really worried about it.

    26. Re:It true !!!! by Rrraou · · Score: 1

      Ipad would be awesome if you could install android on it.

    27. Re:It true !!!! by smash · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, if people haven't watched the keynote, you need to take Cook's comments in context. It was a light dig, said with a humorous tone whilst discussing sales numbers, os upgrade numbers and customer satisfaction survey results.

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    28. Re: It true !!!! by Teranolist · · Score: 0

      You make it sound like only in the US you have a good 4g coverage... in fact I didn't have NO 4g for the last 2 years or so (germany)

    29. Re:It true !!!! by vux984 · · Score: 4, Informative

      which apps weren't available

      The two that annoy me:

      Firefox with adblock
      HumbleBundle support

      I had an iphone; I still think it was the best device on the market at the time. (3GS era); but I wouldn't go back now.

    30. Re:It true !!!! by VGPowerlord · · Score: 1

      You're assuming he means that they purchased the phones 'by accident' rather than what he probably intended, which is that they later had buyer's remorse and felt they'd made a mistake. He's deliberately blurring the meaning here, but he's almost certainly not claiming that people went home with phones and didn't realise until later that they weren't made by Apple.

      Except that's exactly what Apple claimed in court in the Apple v. Samsung cases.

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    31. Re: It true !!!! by Teranolist · · Score: 0

      I bet you never took the time to configure your android phone for your usage. It might take an hour or two finding the best apps/launcher for you, but after that the phone would be as usable as you want it to be.

    32. Re:It true !!!! by uncqual · · Score: 2

      Do you think that when you're in Apple's walled garden that you're not also under constant surveillance, recorded for later use?

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    33. Re:It true !!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Having an electronic device with no physical off button is harsh. My ipod touch locked up, had to wait for the battery to die to do anything with it. For any other device, its either a switch, or remove the battery. Not having control is hard to give up.

    34. Re:It true !!!! by Zaatxe · · Score: 2

      I have an iPad for about 2 years already and Android phones for almost 4. Last week I bought an Android tablet because I got tired of iPad's software limitations. It is still a nice piece of hardware to watch Netflix and browse the internet, but that's it. With the Android tablet I can do much more than I could with the iPad. Not having to deal with iTunes is also a plus.

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    35. Re:It true !!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry Noah, but you don't get to call it just cuz u a fanboi.

      Walled garden - 30% stolen off the top of any app sold, any product sold through an app.
      Restricted settings changes (ie Apple knows better than you what you want),
      Add in Apple interjecting itself between your phone and your text messaging so that when you DO change to a better (ie, non Apple) phone, you don't get your text messages until they can figure out how to program a fix. (Wait, wut? If they cannot even program a fix for something so trivial, why would anyone touch their "Swift" programming language?

      These all make for a garbage ecosystem for phones and tablets - so goodbye Apple, it wasn't nice knowing you.

    36. Re:It true !!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think he probably meant the ability to mount your phone on a computer and access it like it was external storage as opposed to having to use iTunes to load certain types of files on your iPhone. Maybe Apple has removed this limitation but the last time I used an iphone I was frustrated I couldn't just copy an arbitrary file onto it. Oh and iTunes suckz ballz.

    37. Re:It true !!!! by Penguinisto · · Score: 1

      The camera was the main reason why I went up a little bit... plus I hated the round corners and smaller screens of the lower-cost models.

      this is what I settled on - sure, there's no magnetic compass thingy in it, nor advanced accelerometers, but really - I have no need for that crap, and it's been working quite well. :)

      (Now if I was into having 10 jillion apps I'd get something with more internal storage, but seriously - I only use about half of what I have in this little thing now...)

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    38. Re:It true !!!! by LateArthurDent · · Score: 4, Informative

      alternate browser: chrome and opera are available for iPhone, and probably ffx too ( i never checked). you can put the browser on your dock and take the safari browser off your dock. the only limitation is you can't change the default browser for which program is used when opening links in an email, etc. but otherwise do what you want.

      Nope. All third-party browsers in iOS must use the iOS webkit framework. So yes, you can get "chrome" for iOS, but really it's just a Safari skin. Case in point, you can't use chrome extensions on it.

    39. Re:It true !!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ROFLMFAO - Seriously?

      So here's the problem, and you can blame Apple for it too.

      Other phone / device manufacturers came up with all of these ideas.

      Apple stole them all, wrapped them up together, bribed the patent office for a patent (probably a job to a relative of the clerk), then basically went to town as the biggest Patent Troll ever.

      So, to keep Apple off of them (until they can get the patents invalidated - ie bribe the patent office with something better), they had to take their own technology and change it so that it didn't work the way it did before Apple stole the technology.

      So yeah, going from other device to Apple made sense on how things worked, then later moving away from it, it doesn't because the original method for doing things had to be changed to keep Apple from biting at their feet.

      Again, Apple is to blame for this. Apple, as a company, should be paved over after taking every patent and copyright in Apple's Troll box has been invalidated or placed in to the public trust.

    40. Re:It true !!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was my understanding that alternate browsers on iOS were little more than UI skins because Apple will not allow anyone to run anything other than the default render engine (webkit). So, to some people that doesn't count as being an alternate browser.

    41. Re: It true !!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Hold down home and power until it reboots. Only time that has failed on me was when the power button was broken.

    42. Re:It true !!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I'm going to take pictures, I'll buy a point & shoot with an optical zoom. I already have one with a 5x, but something like a 15-20x would be better for wildlife.

      That's why I don't understand cell phone fans. Some of them claim cell phones can replace cameras/camcorders. Maybe for very light usage, but even a point & shoot will win out if it comes down to range.

    43. Re:It true !!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then you really suck (no offense) as it's just as easy to compose an email in Android as it is iOS. I own devices using both OSes... and if you can't do email and text in Android , then there's no way you could in iOS.

      I should also add, try transfering something via bluetooth to a non-iOS device. It won't happen. It's a stupid ass limitation Apple put in place so you can only transfer between iOS devices. There's a lot more I can list in iOS 7 that Apple really screwed the pooch on

    44. Re: It true !!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I switched from iPhone to android and I love it. My friend switched from iPhone to android and loves it. Not convinced? Just look at the global smartphone market share trends: people are leaving iPhones and moving to android.

    45. Re: It true !!!! by CalebBegly · · Score: 1

      I switched from iPhone to android and I love it. My friend switched from iPhone to android and loves it. Not convinced? Just look at the global smartphone market share trends: people are leaving iPhones and moving to android.

    46. Re:It true !!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If history has shown us anything, it is that you can not underestimate the cognitive abilities of Apple customers.

    47. Re:It true !!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "long-term stability"

      Citation needed..

      http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2014/03/28/apple-android-crittercism-crash/

    48. Re:It true !!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      30% "stolen"?

      I suppose you're stealing their bandwidth, marketing, payment systems, customer base, etc. when you sell an app in that walled garden. Fag.

    49. Re:It true !!!! by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      This is clearly a made up story. Pure troll.

    50. Re:It true !!!! by BasilBrush · · Score: 0

      With the result that all mobile web-pages work pixel perfectly with all iPhone browsers. Because they are all developed for the iOS webkit.

      With Android browsers you may have problems.

    51. Re:It true !!!! by mwvdlee · · Score: 4, Funny

      gave the iPhone to my daughter.

      I'm afraid I'm going to have to report you for child abuse.

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    52. Re:It true !!!! by Plammox · · Score: 0

      So why do people actually believe Google is the lesser evil? Because they allow arbitratry code execution in their mobile OS, and therefore must standup guys? They sit on so much exploitable information on a large part of the world's population. It has got to corrupt them at some point in time.

      I long for an affordable, secure and non-shitty smartphone without the surveillance bits and with an actual app eco system. Yes, that's a lot to ask.

    53. Re:It true !!!! by marsu_k · · Score: 1

      With also the result that non-Safari browsers cannot run their own JS engine, having to use JavaScriptCore. Whereas Safari runs on Nitro. But hey, alternative browsers, it's great right?

    54. Re:It true !!!! by BasilBrush · · Score: 0

      Indeed. Apple's very clear about its privacy policies, and they are so much better than Google's. And of course we know that their actions match their policies because everything on IP is sniffable.

      It's stupid to think just because one company's business model is to spy on you and use that to advertise to you, so is every other company's. Apple makes it's money from selling devices. It doesn't need to spy on you.

    55. Re:It true !!!! by eth1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Your anecdote doesn't really mean much. Apple has much better retention than other companies, ...

      Apple calls it "retention," the rest of us call it "vendor lock-in."

    56. Re:It true !!!! by BasilBrush · · Score: 0

      It's no accident that iOS is far more secure than Android.

    57. Re:It true !!!! by khellendros1984 · · Score: 4, Informative

      In early 2012, there were over 1.1 million apps available on the iPhone, and in May 2011 (when they approved their 500,000th app), 37% of the apps on the store were free, and the average price of all apps was $3.64.

      In my experience (2008-2010, on an iPod Touch), you could do a fair amount for free, but most (not all) free apps were feature-cut demo versions. On Android, free apps often have all their features, but are ad-supported.

      I can see someone being disappointed by the difference, but I agree that the post you replied to sounds like an exaggeration.

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    58. Re:It true !!!! by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      It's over a million now.

    59. Re:It true !!!! by jeffmeden · · Score: 2

      I have an Android and an iPhone and find the iPhone works better for what I need it for. While I've been frustrated from time to time with the iPhone, it doesn't take more than a minute or two of using the Android before I'm ready to pitch the damn thing into a nearby lake. It's nothing about available apps or external storage or anything, just basic usability. Being able to compose an email or text someone.

      [John]

      Glad you are comfortable sending a text or a really long text (email) on your iPhone. Those of us interested in a smartphone will continue to enjoy the Android experience.

      /troll

    60. Re:It true !!!! by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 0

      How are they locking you in, exactly? If the functionality doesn't exist on another platform, it doesn't exist on another platform. That's not Apple's fault. Media is pretty transferable. If you're talking about apps and the sunk cost of purchases, that's true no matter what platform you're moving from.

      Apple doesn't control enough of my data to really lock me in, and it looks like people can move pretty freely from Apple to Android (and vice versa)--many Android users tout that ease of movement as a reason to move away from Apple, in fact.

    61. Re:It true !!!! by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 1

      This is why he's deliberately blurring that 'by mistake' and 'by accident' line. It's a bit of a subtle joke.

    62. Re: It true !!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Which Android system are you talking about and under what circumstances?

      I can lock down android with a customized hosts file, advanced per app and system wide firewalls, lock down individual permissions per app, automatically launch virus scan on downloads, etc...

      So, are you actually imagining what freedom means for the end user or merely trying to drum up shit?

    63. Re:It true !!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Never mind that Google Play takes a 30% cut: https://support.google.com/goo...
      Never mind that Steam takes a 30% cut (according to Notch): http://www.kotaku.com.au/2012/...
      Never mind that Amazon Kindle Publishing takes 30-65% cut: https://kdp.amazon.com/help?to...

    64. Re:It true !!!! by marsu_k · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Really, apart from the soundbites given by evangelicals such as Cook, how many actual pieces of malware have slipped through the Play Store? Yes, installing random software from the net can be quite harmful, I guess that is given (there have been attacks on jailbroken iPhones as well). Personally, I like to have the ability to choose (yay for HumbleBundle), but I can see the point of the walled garden. Then again, Apple App Store is no panacea, as was proven quite recently.

    65. Re:It true !!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just got my wife another iPhone 4S to replace the dead 3GS. It cost $22. As long as you stay away from the bleeding edge, all of these things are essentially disposable. If I knew I could snag a new 4S for that cheap I might have foregone messing with the battery in my own 4S.

      The cost of a phone is not the cost of the up front price. It is the extra cost of the contract you get compared to the cheaper contract you could have got from a different operator. Especially, you have to factor in the costs of any travel to other network areas where the fact your phone is SIM locked will mean you will have to pay for roaming instead of getting a local SIM.

      This is ignoring any extra costs from higher application prices on iOS. I think that's fair because Android apps tend to have more advertising even though iOS apps have that too nowadays.

    66. Re:It true !!!! by DingerX · · Score: 1

      Context? Nobody watches in context. If he makes two "light digs" at Android, that's your story. Apple just went from the "industry leader", telling people what they want, to the "industry reactor", telling them what they don't want. It doesn't matter whether it's only a few seconds of a keynote, or whether it's true or not, it fits the narrative.

      Master your own narrative or be a victim of other's. Isn't that the lesson here?

      I know, you can't hear me over the thumping base of your Beats headphones.

    67. Re:It true !!!! by crakbone · · Score: 1

      My wife has an Iphone. She has had quite a bit more lockups than I have had on my Samsung. What I noticed most about the Iphone and why I switched to the android is that the Iphone would slow down quite a bit before an new hardware cycle (i.e the release of new phones). So much so that I had to wait at least two months after an update was released to keep my phone performance (Apple would invariable patch the patch so I would perform again. I got tired of not being able to update my phone with the latest update and not worry about it being reduced by 30 percent on speed. I also wanted to keep certain apps on the my phone that apple locked out for no good reason. I had an app that would let me clean up my memory on my iphone and keep it pretty stable. Apple put in controls that pretty much made it non functional. It wasn't until three more releases that they put in anything that resembled it and I had to restart my phone once a week to clear out memory. My android lets me choose anything I wan't on it. I want my google maps to sound like a Scottish girl from Glasgow, no problem. If I want to change how my gui looks no problem. If I want to put in an app that lets me see what amp draw my battery is pulling from the charger no problem. My phone despite being two years old still has a better camera than the iphone 5s. My android experience has been far superior to my apple one.

    68. Re:It true !!!! by BasilBrush · · Score: 0

      Clone apps can of course be an issue whereever you download software from. At least with the Apple App Store, once the cloner has been identified and the IP ownership established, the cloner can be removed. With Android there is no removing them. Google Play might do so, but they'll still be available on other Android stores.

    69. Re: It true !!!! by Redbehrend · · Score: 1

      From giving excuses to lies and even bullying tactics. I don't think Apple can surprise me on how low they can go. I watched the keynote and laughed how features 3 years ago are somehow are new now? Then they make shots that market share is down because the users are stupid? I'm surprised the users don't catch on. Not a fan boy of anything but the truth I have used many brands of phones.

    70. Re:It true !!!! by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 0
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    71. Re:It true !!!! by marsu_k · · Score: 1

      I think you are either ignorant or just deliberately dim - for the benefit of the doubt, I'll guess the former category. When it comes to the vast majority of Android devices being sold, by default they can only access Google Play. Yes, there is a checkbox you can check in the settings, allowing one to install apps from wherever (when that option is selected, there is naturally a warning). As an analogy, think jailbreaking your device, only it is not such a cat-and-mouse game, the ability is there should you want it. Then one can install apps from local files or add additional app sources. But before that it is Google Play only.

    72. Re:It true !!!! by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      You are wrong. As odd as it seems to tell someone that they are wrong about something like this, I feel completely comfortable doing it because the process to send a text message is virtually identical between the iPhone and and Android phone. The only real difference between the two is the keyboard, and the iOS is so vastly far behind Android in that respect, Apple has just announced that they are abandoning their claims to have the best keyboard and opening up their OS to third party keyboards just like Android.

    73. Re:It true !!!! by CastrTroy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They are locking you in because phones that run iOS are only available from Apple. If I buy an Android phone, and buy my apps from the Google Play store, then when it comes time to buy my next phone, I still have to buy an Android phone if I want to use all my apps, but I can get a phone from Samsung, HTC, Motorola, Google, and many others. If I bought an iPhone, and I want to upgrade my phone, and maintain usage of my old apps, I have to get another iPhone. You're always locked into the operating system. but with Apple/iPhone, you're locked into the hardware manufacturer as well.

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    74. Re:It true !!!! by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      Uhh... Clear? Apple is the company that issued an open letter telling users that they don't track you, and then in weasel words, at the bottom included an "except" for the fact that we do because we are making a mapping application.

    75. Re:It true !!!! by johnlcallaway · · Score: 1

      My 'mistake' was the other way, I was forced to get an Apple phone as part of my job, and I think it sucks. Fortunately, I don't have to use it much, just carry it and check email because they refuse to let Android phones connect to get mail. They would rather pay every month for a phone for a hundred people than spend $25 for Touchdown. Or let us even buy it ourselves and connect.

      I could have given up my Samsung phone completely and bought my own iPhone, which the company would have paid for and then paid for my monthly service. I'd rather pay the $40/month for my Samsung phone that have to use an Apple phone. I find the interface sorely lacking compared to Android, the screen is tiny, and WTF ... no back button?? No Swype keyboard built in? No on-screen folders? Now I understand why when my daughter switched from her iPhone to her Samsung she vowed never to go back.

      One of the worst phones I've ever used. I suppose it was great when it came out, but they seem to have been left behind in features and options.

      Let the iDrone comments begin .....

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    76. Re: It true !!!! by Redbehrend · · Score: 1

      I'm glad I'm not the only one that supports humble bundle....

    77. Re:It true !!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank god I'm not developing for Android, where you buy a $200-$600 phone, but won't pay $10-$20 for some apps.

    78. Re:It true !!!! by BasilBrush · · Score: 0

      You can't have it both ways. You can't criticise the iPhone for having a single walled garden, and then disclaim all the bad stuff on any Android app store other than Google Play.

      And no, clicking a toggle in the settings is not the equivalent of doing a jailbreak.

    79. Re:It true !!!! by marsu_k · · Score: 1

      Given how many people got headaches from the over-the-top animations in iOS7, and (up to a point) who could have got rid of said animations by simply going into the settings (but didn't figure this out before it was pointed out to them by multiple articles online), isn't the toggle in the settings really akin to a jailbreak? The majority of users will never venture there.

    80. Re: It true !!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple spies so it can sell targeted iAds. It is no different to Google. Apple already filed for a patent to spy on users moods for their targeted advertising. Now that's creepy. http://techcrunch.com/2014/01/23/apple-patent-explores-mood-based-ad-targeting/

    81. Re:It true !!!! by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Drivel.

    82. Re:It true !!!! by marsu_k · · Score: 1

      A great retort. Yet, you've been unable to answer the single question I posed earlier - care to name the malware that have got through Google Play?

    83. Re: It true !!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I made the mistake of getting an iPhone and it's been so annoying. Terrible usability. It hasn't even got swiping keyboard. I heard they copied that from Android now lol

    84. Re:It true !!!! by garote · · Score: 1

      An apple phone is quite flexible and allows quite a bit of freedom to the user. An Android phone may look cool, but as soon as you think of stuff that you like (automatic sync of your chat history, including inline video and photos, across your tablet, laptop, and phone.) you are toast.

    85. Re: It true !!!! by dotgain · · Score: 1

      I can lock down android with a customized hosts file

      You're on meth.

    86. Re:It true !!!! by psm321 · · Score: 1

      Google Play is not the only way to get apps on your Android phone.
      Steam is not the only way to get games on your PC.
      Amazon is not the only way to get books onto your Kindle (according to my brief research... I don't use a Kindle myself)
      Apple AppStore is the only way to get apps on your iPhone without jailbreaking (not required for any of the things listed above)

    87. Re:It true !!!! by Kalriath · · Score: 1

      My iPhone randomly reboots, sometimes in the middle of phone calls. However, this does not mean it is indicative of all iPhones. The plural of anecdote is not data.

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    88. Re: It true !!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a 64gb external sd card i put pirated shows and movies on. I also use it to transfer pictures between new phones and my laptop easily. I have 4 years of phone pics on it and everytime i get a new phone i just pop it in. No 4 hour upload like when i had my iphone.

    89. Re:It true !!!! by Kalriath · · Score: 1

      iOS? The OS you could jailbreak (i.e. run arbitrary code in Ring 0) from a web page? Yeah, nah.

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    90. Re:It true !!!! by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Oh lol. This is the funniest thing I've seen all week. Thanks for that.

    91. Re:It true !!!! by rockout · · Score: 1

      It's stupid to think that just because "Apple makes it's [sic] money from selling devices", that they don't want to make even more money by using the data that they already have from spying on you.

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    92. Re:It true !!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh get your iHead out of the iSand you uneducated imbecile, iOS devices could be completely owned by a website it was called JailbreakMe so don't give use that "iOS is more secure" bullshit, anybody not utterly consumed by the Cult of Apple can see that the amount of jailbreaks and the ease at which you can do them (some worked through a website for fuck sake) proves beyond any doubt that iOS is insecure.

    93. Re: It true !!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Haha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahah....

      Hahah haha hahaha hahaha hahah...

      What?? This was a joke right? Man, you're going to give me a heart attack! STOP! Please!

    94. Re:It true !!!! by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      CyanogenMod, remove Google apps and stop sync.

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    95. Re:It true !!!! by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes. -- Mahatma Gandhi

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    96. Re: It true !!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From iPhone to Samsung S4 is not really a big step. Thanx to copying Apple it feels like a retarded version of Android.

    97. Re: It true !!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No, a good product will allow you to custom tailor it to YOUR individual usages and needs. The one-size-fits-all approach that Apple takes is ridiculously archaic.

    98. Re:It true !!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      In addition, with an Android phone you can choose which app store you want to use and even which OS distribution you want to use. With Apple you have to buy the phone from them, use their OS and use their store.

    99. Re:It true !!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      opera are available for iPhone

      Wrong. Opera Mini is available for iPhone, not Opera.

      the only limitation is you can't change the default browser for which program is used when opening links in an email, etc.

      Which pretty much makes it worthless to be able to install other browsers.

      on iPhone you're locked in to the default phone and sms apps as well as the default launcher.

      Which is incredibly lame.

      also there's no stupid customization apps like putting cats everywhere.

      In other words, you can't make iPhone your own.

      just get an iPhone man the life will be a lot easier.

      Having to drastically change how I most comfortably and efficiently use a device does nothing but make life more difficult.

    100. Re:It true !!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No web page is designed exclusively for iPhone, therefore "pixel perfect" does not exist. It's just your pathetic rationalization for Apple's stupid restriction.

      I have never had a problem with any browser on Android, whether Chrome, Opera, Firefox, Dolphin, Maxthon, Puffin, Sleipnir, UC, etc.; all work fantastically. You are talking about things that you have no knowledge of and trying to employ Apple's tactics of spreading FUD.

    101. Re: It true !!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On any given day, there are between 10,000 and 20,000 malware Apps on Google Play. That's a 1-2% chance, given there are a million or so Apps on the store at any given time. Typically these come from about 250-300 families of tool kits . Because it's relatively easy to decompile a Play app to intermediate code, inject malware from a toolkit, and resubmit to Play under a burn account, there is quite the industry in supporting this. Most of them are economically motivated : premium SMS scams, bitcoin miners, that kind of thing. Occasionally some of these apps are popular - there was a recent example where a category #1 app in games IIRC, had a RAT installed, that had gotten past Bouncer. Cisco and F-secure do pretty reasonable quarterly reporting on the scope/scale , and SANS and Symantec aren't totally awful either.

      Now that is way, way better then most of the side loading non-play stores (some of which are in excess of 80% malware), and Google takes stuff down all the time, but it is a persistent, simmering issue, and it's at a scale where there is a commercially viable, large scale black market in malware tool kits .

      Apple isn't perfect in App review, and instances have occurred where stuff has gotten through, but comparatively, on any given day, the amount of malware on the App Store rounds down to zero, and there is no economically viable malware black market for iOS at a global scale. There are side loading stores for pirated Apps, which do have malware , but they are either jailbreak only audience, or Apple playing whack-a-mole with enterprise developer accounts being used outside their terms & conditions. It's a tiny fraction of the scale occurring on Google Play, let alone the App "warez" sites.

      A technically competent person with good personal habits can configure most Android devices so they are pretty secure, but this usually involves stripping it back to AOSP, or clean Nexus level Android in much the way Cyanogenmod does. A lot of the problems come from the hardware vendors , not Google itself eg Sony doesn't ship FDE in Experias , or Touchwiz is an apparently magic pudding of lock screen, boot rom and UI running at inappropriate privilege level exploits.

      Googles's primary failure is architectural. In making the system so flexible for platform builders, and appealing to nerds to tinker with, it's way too easy for "normal" people to compromise the security of the device by inadvertently installing malware that can have root or MDM level access to the system. The other thing where Google needs to wear it, it that the ecosystem as a whole has led to appalling availability rates of patches , due to the Google -> OEM -> carrier workflow that takes months to years to execute - so exploits are viable in the device population at large scale for years. (Nexus and Cyanogen obviously don't have that issue, but in terms of Android market share, they are basically a rounding error in terms of impact)

    102. Re: It true !!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is about 1 jailbreak a year available for iOS.

      The ingenuity of the jail breakers has had to get quite considerable, and their level of effort has increased. Evasi0n was 10-12 exploits chained, with 2 or 3 reboots, required advance knowledge of the device passcode.

      That's a very long way from the iPhone 4 & earlier bootROM exploit in the silicon, and Jailbreakme.com from 5 or so years ago.

      iOS 8 drops support for the iPhone 4. That is going to make it incredibly hard for jail breakers and security researchers alike. I will be interesting to see, but it's conceivable that iOS 8 may never be jail broken.

    103. Re: It true !!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Umm, bullshit.

      Enterprise distribution cost you a flat $300 per year, and is otherwise unlimited within an organisation.

      A personal developer account is $99 per year, and you can ad hoc to up to 100 devices.

      There's nothing stopping you from distributing Apps as source, and your customers compiling and signing their own installs by one of the above methods.

      Apple gets no per-App cut of that.

      In addition, you could use Apple's App Store, and just make the App free, and do licensing in the back end. Apple only gets a cut for in-app purchases or subscriptions. If it's out of band, they get nothing.

      You know, like how Office 365 is done for iOS. Or Salesforce. Or Kindle.

      It's perfectly workable as a model, so really your butt-hurt is nugatory.

    104. Re:It true !!!! by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      What is it about sending email and SMS messages that cause you issues? I've used PDA / smartphone devices since Pocket PC 2002, and they've all been the same; Open the email / SMS app, use the (often questionable) keyboard to enter contact and message details, send the message. It's no different on Android or iOS. On both you can send email and SMS directly from the contact list, or from within other apps via "Share" functionality.

      Keyboards on each differ, though. I find the accuracy on the Android keyboard is better, but my girlfriend finds it impossible to use.

      Fundamentally, though, I can't see iOS as the better platform for me. If I don't like Apple's keyboard, which I don't, I am stuck with it; It's the Jobs way, or the highway. If I don't like Android's keyboard, I can change it for one of dozens available on the Play Store. That availability of customisation is enough to make me always choose Android devices over iOS. For others, I say the same thing I'd say if they asked about buying a car, or a sofa; Find one you like the look of, give it a go in the store, and if you like both the price and item, get that one. It's purely personal preference.

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    105. Re:It true !!!! by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      apps: on iPhone you're locked in to the default phone and sms apps as well as the default launcher. also there's no stupid customization apps like putting cats everywhere. otherwise, just get an iPhone man the life will be a lot easier. I don't know anybody who pirates shows to a sd card and watches them on their phone. i'm pretty sure that use case is imaginary.

      Fucking music you idiot. I use my phone as my mp3 player, sure the iphone has enough memory for some people or you can pay an extortionate premium for more memory (but remember to keep enough for your apps, pictures and videos too and don't forget to keep double the free space for anything else you may want) but at the end of the day your stuck with what they think is necessary. And before you start with that whole use itunes sync and cloud bollocks you can fuck right off, itunes is shockingly horrible. I can use any computer to organise, add or remove files, and hey you like this song or picture I have? Let me bluetooth that to you...oh wait.

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    106. Re:It true !!!! by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      I believe power tool manufacturers used the same excuse for cutting corners on safety guards.

    107. Re:It true !!!! by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      The last time Jailbreakme worked was 3 years ago. iOS 4.something. We're on iOS 7.1 now.

    108. Re:It true !!!! by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      It's not stupid when it's a fact that they don't.

      What's stupid is believing things you have no evidence for.

    109. Re:It true !!!! by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 1

      It's not about apps, it's about content, and more importantly potability of content. All my photos, music, movies etc are files. When I reimage my Windows PC I copy them over and play/view them. If I want them on my Tablet I copy them there and play/view them. If I want htem on my new phone I simply copy them and play/view them. But when my daughter wants them on her iPod she's shit out of luck. Without using setting up an iTunes library on a computer somewhere then managing and syncing the library it's just a pain in the arse. And even when they are there you are restricted to only certain behaviour that Apple deems is worthy. Sure if you buy in the Apple ecosystem it's easier, but I want to be able chop and change between whatever device I like without having to commit to an "ecosystem". Windows and Linux/Android device allow this, Apple doesn't. Fuck Apple.

    110. Re: It true !!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      According to security companies android had 99% of mobile malware. Your ignorance by choice makes you a liar.

    111. Re: It true !!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would you want to run any other browser then the best. Oh yea to download torrents. Some of us prefer not to steal things.

    112. Re: It true !!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are many third party apps to do that on iphone. There is also airdrop. The copy and paste generation is old. Nowadays you sync files not copy and past them. Why? Version control!!!!! You copy and pasters are an old useless windows bunch.

    113. Re:It true !!!! by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      i havent plugged my phone into iTunes for two years. you don't have to do it any more. all of your iTunes songs get backed up to the cloud with iTunes match, then your phone can access them from the cloud. note this last part - you don't need to store all your songs on your phone, because you can stream them all!! you can store all or a subset if you want for offline access as well. so you can chillax about storage space bs.

      lastly, nobody calls it a mp3 player anymore. most people don't even know what a mp3 is. lastly, with iOS 8 you can transfer any file to your phone from mac or windows computers, so chill the fuck out!

      lastly, i don't like your tone, so go suck a dick.

    114. Re:It true !!!! by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      An android phone is quite flexible and allows quite a bit of freedom to the user. An Apple phone may look cool, but as soon as you think of stuff that you like (other favorite web browser etc.) you are toast.

      What's that even supposed to mean? That Android phones don't look cool? That they, unlike iPhones, can't make toast? That an iPhone user when he thinks of, say, unicorns, he turns into toast?

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    115. Re:It true !!!! by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      I don't know anybody who pirates shows to a sd card and watches them on their phone. i'm pretty sure that use case is imaginary.

      Sorry, I didn't realize you know all smartphone users. I guess the "1 million plus" downloads and 29,294 reviews of The Pirate Bay Browser on the Google Play store are imaginary.

      Gotta check this out. Google, second link

      "https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.caffeinelab.pbb - We're sorry, the requested URL was not found on this server."

      Yes, they are. Or Google retroactively made them.

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    116. Re:It true !!!! by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      Context? Nobody watches in context. If he makes two "light digs" at Android, that's your story. Apple just went from the "industry leader", telling people what they want, to the "industry reactor", telling them what they don't want. I

      Actually, the sales numbers tell that, based on what the people already knew. The only people who need to be told are those still in denial.

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    117. Re:It true !!!! by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      Your anecdote doesn't really mean much. Apple has much better retention than other companies, ...

      Apple calls it "retention," the rest of us call it "vendor lock-in."

      The vendor lock-in, that according to all the "Ha, but I switched from iPhone to Android, so there!" anecdotes here obviously doesn't exist.

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    118. Re:It true !!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well they are different philosophies really. Android is more flexible. More like a desktop in a way. Unfortunately it also has all the same problems as a Windows PC with Malware and the like. With iPhone things just work, but it forces you to work the way Apple wants you to work. I'm a Java developer with an iPhone and I'm unlikely to make the switch over even though Android uses natively my language of choice. It's all in how you choose to work.

      Most people I see who are anti-iPhone are not so much against the technology or usability, they are against Apple's philosophy.

    119. Re:It true !!!! by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      Safety features need not be handcuffs.

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    120. Re:It true !!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As I understand things, Google is working hard to create their own walled garden and lock people in, if not to Google Android phones, then to Google-approved Android phones. They played nice before because they had to. Now that Android has a lock on the majority of the market share, things are changing.

    121. Re:It true !!!! by david_thornley · · Score: 2

      Why would I be under surveillance with an iPhone? Apple makes most of their money selling us stuff. The main alternative is Android, an OS from a company that makes most of their money selling us to advertisers. It's much more in keeping with Apple's interests to give us the best possible experience than it is with Google's.

      Of course, all cell phones connected to a carrier are under constant surveillance, and if I want to do something clandestinely I have to assume that that data is recorded for later use. This has nothing to do with iPhones, or even smartphones.

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    122. Re:It true !!!! by smash · · Score: 1

      This was a developer showcase, for developers who are already in the apple ecosystem. It wasn't a marketing event. There was plenty of stuff that people will want in the conference. But hey, believe what you want to believe.

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    123. Re:It true !!!! by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      I'm curious. Could you give me some specific things you can do on an Android that you can't do on iOS? I'm not interested in porn (putting that on a mobile device sounds to me like a bad idea), and I don't really care if I have to do things differently on each platform (example: on iOS, I email a picture directly, rather than taking it a file and attaching it to an email, and I'm fine with that).

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    124. Re:It true !!!! by Zaatxe · · Score: 1

      I can download a PDF file with exercises a professor e-mailed me and post it in the University's forum for the other students. I can download .doc files from the students forum and upload it to my Google Docs. I can install a torrent client in it. I can use my micro SD card with MP3 files in either my phone or in the tablet. (All real and recent cases)

      About porn, a friend of mine told me (wink, wink) that redtube.com renders better in the iPad than in Android devices. I'm taking his word in this (wink, wink).

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    125. Re:It true !!!! by Zaatxe · · Score: 1

      Anyway, I went to check if I could take and send a picture directly to the e-mail instead of attaching the file to the e-mail and it didn't give me this alternative. I've never tried this before because I don't really like taking pics with my cellphone or my tablet because I have a wonderful DSLR camera. This is, by the way, another thing I can do with my Android tablet: take pictures in my Nikon camera, put the memory card in the tablet and share/upload the pictures. How do you do that with an iOS device without a computer or an external SD card reader?

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    126. Re:It true !!!! by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

      I don't see it listed on the Play app on my phone either now, looks like it has been removed for whatever reason.

      Yes, they are. Or Google retroactively made them.

      I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that the correct answer is that the app was simply removed from the store.

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    127. Re: It true !!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I use gmail and can open my links in the chrome app.

    128. Re:It true !!!! by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 2

      Good link.

      For what? For hiding that it actually talks about app crashes? No, wait, that's talking about apps running a framework made by a company funded by Google.

      What could possibly go wrong.

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    129. Re:It true !!!! by fastasleep · · Score: 1

      All browsers (and UIWebView panes) get Nitro in iOS 8.

    130. Re:It true !!!! by stealth_finger · · Score: 1
      So they've finally brought some stuff up to standard? I fully admit I haven't used one of these for a long while, but not long enough. Like I said, bollocks to your streaming my music from the cloud and any itunes integration, at all. Your idevice might me fine for the bunch of people who don't know what a .mp3 is. They obviously don't know enough to make an informed choice about anything really and would probably suit an ipos just fine, my granny loves hers.

      Lastly, I don't like your assumptions that if you don't know anyone who has tv shows or movies on their phone (pirate or not) it must be imaginary. It's outside your garden and you can fuck off. I also don't like the way you used lastly three times. That's just bad writing.

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    131. Re:It true !!!! by perryizgr8 · · Score: 1

      you bought a highly outdated android phone. of course it will make you want to switch to the latest iphone.

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    132. Re:It true !!!! by Bigbutt · · Score: 1

      I think it's just that I have large hands/fingers. I had an iPhone 3GS and the keyboard gave me quite a bit of trouble with hitting the wrong letters or numbers. The iPhone 5 I replaced it with immediately worked a lot better. Where on the 3GS I would keep my typing to a minimum because of how frustrating it was to "type", I'm much more comfortable, and the typing is a lot more accurate, on the 5. I do a lot of texting to my Girlfriend on the iPhone 5 (her daughter was impressed with how fast I can "type") and respond to emails.

      The Android has the same problem my 3GS had. Lots of missed letters when I'm "typing" so I'm constantly having to go back to fix things. The autocorrect seems to save a lot of the frustration but there are times when autocorrect puts in the wrong word. The thing is, if I turn off autocorrect, I'd have to fix even more errors than I do now.

      I do want to note that the Android is my work phone. I asked for it specifically so I could have a different platform to try. Since it's a work provided piece of equipment (like my laptop), adding third party software is generally frowned upon. It also increases the frustration because I have to respond so I can't just put the phone down and ignore it (this is when I'm on call of course).

      I will note also that work is moving towards kicking back a payment for your personal phone to be used for work purposes vs providing one. That would give me the freedom to evaluate different keyboards or software that improves the experience.

      [John]

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    133. Re:It true !!!! by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      I think like any issue there are opinions and counter-opinions.

      my opinion is people like to use their phones at times which are most convenient for them either at their work or with their families. i for one use my phone at both times, which may tbe de rigeur but may not be, because some people don't have jobs and some people don't have families. you know what I mean? the important thing is to have a device that can cover all aspects of your life, without making pre-judgments of what those aspects should be because theres no way you can predict in advance how many there will be.

      Convencience can be measured in many ways and you can't choose just one way for all people. for some people, convenience is in the form of time, while for other people, convenience is in the form of devices they have to carry around, while for other people, convenience is in the form of style, and for others, its about friendship or health or love.

      I grow concerned when people make statements like "this is better than that" because by definition everybody's opinion of "truth" is just that - an opinion. so when people say, "this is better than that" what they mean is, "in my opinion, my conception of 'this' is better than my conception of 'that'." I think this one truth would solve 85% of the worlds problems today, if everybody just woke up and embraced it!!!!! In the case of phones this applies because many like to share opinions of which phone is better, and which iPhone is better. some people say iPhone is best, and some people say androids are best, and some people say winmo is best, etc. but all three can't be right! more accurate statements are "in my opinion, for my unique use case, I believe that my conception of androids is better than my preconception of iPhones".

      in closing, please consider my opinion that it's not just about phones, but primarily families that make the difference and define the channels of life. I use an iPhone to listen to these channels, and others use different things, although iPhone is the most popular phone model, and offers the best user experience, but others just want different things, you know?

    134. Re:It true !!!! by Shadowmist · · Score: 1

      you bought a highly outdated android phone. of course it will make you want to switch to the latest iphone.

      The "highly outdated android phone" is running KitKat. The hardware spec difference between the 3 and the 5 and especially the 4 is hardly enough to qualify as "highly outdated", and the software is identical to that running on the 5.

    135. Re:It true !!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not true though. I would love Apple to be more open, true. I'm a java programmer so android is just up my alley. Every time I think I'm going to switch though, Apple addresses my major issue with a much better solution. Having programmed for both platforms, I can tell you that performance in the android (especially for webviews) is abismal. The fragmentation is a HUGE issue because it prevents you from using the latest features while still supporting the majority of phones. Furthermore, Apple's collaborative services and content provider agreements (for video and the like) are second to none.

      Even with Apple's track record of incompatibilities (and some frustrations with regressions early on) I can tell you that the iPhone, generally speaking, just works which is why I continue to use it. There is no "vendor lock-in" for the iPhone. People can get Android phones form pennies on the dollar at nearly ANY carrier. The switch to android is easy and one can replace all required software (or at least whatever titles android supports) with new software for the price difference. I think people stick with iPhone because they like it. I know I do.

    136. Re: It true !!!! by perryizgr8 · · Score: 1

      Hardware difference between the s3 and s5 is immense. Please read up.

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    137. Re: It true !!!! by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      I've only ever seen iFan complain about malware on Android. Why so concerned? Outside of those in Russia we're not really worried about it.

      I only ever see Apple haters complain about malware on Macs, despite there being far less than on Android. Not only that, they call Mac users morons for not knowing about the dangers of malware on Macs.

      So what does that make you?

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    138. Re:It true !!!! by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Thanks! I do use my iPhone camera a lot, because it's what I have with me, and it works extremely well considering its size. There's a bit of touching to get from the Photos app to email, but it can be easily done. It isn't clear to me how I'd do the other things you mentioned (it may be very circuitous, or even not really possible).

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    139. Re: It true !!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can install other web browsers on iPhone. Why are you toast?

    140. Re: It true !!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most people get lost by having freedom. The iPhone is the closest thing to something safe for non technically savvy people. My dad was able to make a phone call on my iPhone without having ever used a smart phone before. Took him ages to work it out on his android he ended up buying and everything on it gives him trouble.
      The reality is that android isn't for everyone and it's a matter of how some feels using the device they choose. Android isn't king and neither are iPhone nor windows phone. Just use what you like.

    141. Re:It true !!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have never heard so much bull in my life. I designed computers and phones since they were invented (and software). Have you ever heard of 6 of one thing and half a dozen of another? Both OS phones are smart phones that are also computers. I even had plenty of iPhones but gave them away for the Android experience. In the early days, Apple had a lot of problems, especially with Safari and running streaming video. However, now the big difference is basically screen size. But there is a hidden point. Because of competition, prices are not sky high . These phones ran $2000 in todays dollars back in the 80s. So, as long as there is competing companies (OS types) the consumer gets the benefit.

    142. Re:It true !!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some folks are fine with what Apple provides, others want/need the flexibility Android offers. Apple tends to make "safer" choices when choosing hardware, so really their offerings don't change much, where as Samsung and other Android based platforms see a much more dynamic hardware evolution.
      Every platform has limitations, at the end of the day, it's all about the fit. If you like the Apple eco-system and it works for you, great, but if you want more choices, and flexibility Android is a clear winner in that regard. I have had both platforms and for me it was more about consistency than the number of applications available, so I came back to Apple.

      I think what Tim Cook possibly could have meant, but stated quite insolently, was that when many people buy a phone that isn't windows or apple, they don't exactly know its an Android based phone, probably because they don't really care as long as Facebook works and the damn thing can make a 5 minute call without dropping.

      Your point illustrates best that technology like clothes, cars, homes, etc.. fit is always a factor. I think it's only in the last few years that we are beginning to realize this as a tech-savvy population.

    143. Re:It true !!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Huawei aren't bad phones, the cruddy little U8300 I own has an actual physical keyboard (for me a near must because I loathe touchscreen keyboards) and has done me well enough for about 4 years though it desperately needs replacing it still functions and does the core job. At 99 when I first bought it it owes me nothing.

    144. Re:It true !!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      An apple phone is flexible? I tried to bend mine and it broke.

      Quite a bit of freedom? If you are not willing to give Apply your credit card number and let them charge you at seemingly random intervals for things you did not know you were paying for---- no it gives you NO freedom. In general it only frees you to use Apple products and services. That has never fit my definition of freedom. Citizens of Cuba have more freedom than Apple users.

      Automatic sync of chat history? WhatsApp sends my chat history and photos and video straight to my email account. What do I need Apple for to do that?

      What fucking tablet? If you use a tablet you may already be toast. I don't need no stinking tablet that imitates a real computer and forces me to eat with my fingers.

    145. Re:It true !!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uhh...jailbreaking an iPhone enables the user to sideload apps. So does the toggle in the settings.

      Wtf are you talking about? Rooting isn't equivalent because it gives you much DEEPER control over the system than you can possibly achieve with the beautiful, obsolete iDevices.

    146. Re: It true !!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're an idiot and he is correct.

    147. Re: It true !!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you serious? Everything you just said, although not untrue, is fucking ridiculous.

      You're telling me that I can install apps from a source that ISN'T the Apple App Store, but ONLY if I pay Apple money for tools which shouldn't cost a fucking dime? No, you know what, they can cost money. That's fine. The fact is, I DON'T have to pay $99 for a kit to install non-blessed apps.

      It's perfectly ridiculous and fuck-the-consumer as a model, so really your "solution" is nugatory.

    148. Re:It true !!!! by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      With also the result that non-Safari browsers cannot run their own JS engine, having to use JavaScriptCore. Whereas Safari runs on Nitro. But hey, alternative browsers, it's great right?

      http://9to5mac.com/2014/06/03/ios-8-webkit-changes-finally-allow-all-apps-to-have-the-same-performance-as-safari/ - you'll have to find something new to whine about.

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    149. Re:It true !!!! by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      Really, apart from the soundbites given by evangelicals such as Cook, how many actual pieces of malware have slipped through the Play Store?

      http://www.pcworld.com/article/2099421/report-malwareinfected-android-apps-spike-in-the-google-play-store.html - By 2013, more than 42,000 apps in Google’s store contained spyware and information-stealing Trojan programs, researchers said.

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    150. Re:It true !!!! by SpzToid · · Score: 1

      Totally anecdotal, but I've noticed standing behind a lot of people while waiting in line to reach a cashier lately, how many iPhone users are pecking away at completely shattered displays! Obviously they placed it in their pocket to damage it this way, and can't afford to replace it either. Considering how many I've seen lately, I'd shy away from iPhone for this reason alone.

      disclosure: My Nokia N9 is aging, but still plenty sexy and bulletproof, and it runs Linux too.

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    151. Re:It true !!!! by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 1

      I guess someone had to type your response in because you obviously can't read.

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    152. Re:It true !!!! by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      I guess someone had to type your response in because you obviously can't read.

      So who typed this for you? And what took you so long to find him?

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  2. Other way around by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

    They were Android users, and sought something better. Everyone talking about iPhone. They love the shiny... but in a few months' time, many of them will switch back.

    1. Re:Other way around by inasity_rules · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I once bought an iPad. I did a lot of research on it - it had had the best graphics processor and best processor at the time. Solid construction, very nice hardware. I may have even been willing to live with the OS restrictions. The geographical limitations of me buying an app from the iStore killed it for me. I even went as far as to contact the app author, who said his hands were tied. Willing buyer, willing seller, some fcuked up bastards in the middle. I will never go back.

      Gave it to my dad. Works well for him though.

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    2. Re:Other way around by fullmetal55 · · Score: 3, Informative

      which apps you can buy vary from country to country... so yes it is very geographical.

    3. Re:Other way around by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      Precisely why you'd think it would work anywhere. But it doesn't.

    4. Re:Other way around by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      Geographical? What? You do know the App Store isn't an actual store in the mall, right?

      And you know that all content is not sold in all countries, right?

      And is therefore tied to your geographical location.

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    5. Re:Other way around by UnknowingFool · · Score: 4, Informative

      I can only assume that iTunes isn't available in his country at all or that each country has their own restrictions like nudity, etc. There are restrictions due to DRM and copyrighted content and there are legal limitations in each country. Apple does list what the restrictions are by country.

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    6. Re:Other way around by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This is something I noticed with a lot of Windows Phone users. They bought into the platform thinking it was new and neat, and the WP supporter crowd (yes, it exists) were cheering themselves on last year claiming that they were the fastest growing platform. But from what I saw, after owning it for one generation most of these guys switched back to Android. And as it turns out, Windows Phone is no longer the "fastest growing" and is in fact stagnating.

      http://betanews.com/2014/02/24...

      This may very well be the case of iPhone in China, given that it only recently started officially selling there.

    7. Re:Other way around by Guspaz · · Score: 1

      Try downloading the iTunes Movie Trailer app in Canada. Hint: you can't.

    8. Re:Other way around by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 2

      How were the seller's hands tied exactly? Most app developers just click every country in the app store when it comes to selling it. The only reason I can think of for a developer not to sell an app in a certain country is that he is not allowed to sell it there, because of content which is illegal in that country, or because the software uses libraries with a license that restricts sales in certain countries. In both cases it is appropriate not to sell the app there, and no fault of the "bastards in the middle"

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    9. Re:Other way around by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Funny

      the WP supporter crowd (yes, it exists) were cheering themselves on last year claiming that they were the fastest growing platform

      Expressed as a percentage, almost any increase from zero is going to be the "fastest growing". :-P

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    10. Re:Other way around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One acronym: VPN.

    11. Re:Other way around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The main complaint about the iPad is the 4x3 screen. TV's, monitor's are 16x9, and will never go back to 4x3. So all videos, and increasingly, photos too, are 16x9. So if viewing any media is your usecase, the the crt like screen makes no sense.

    12. Re:Other way around by PoiBoy · · Score: 1

      I'll admit I bought a Nokia 920 when it came out, thinking WP8 along with the supposedly great camera would make for a great phone. Long story short, I'm going to get an Android phone this weekend. WP8 has a lot of nice ideas, but like everything MS, they managed to throw in enough lemons to make it a mediocre product overall.

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    13. Re:Other way around by inasity_rules · · Score: 2

      Not quite, specifically this was the game Avernum in South Africa. Not DRM or nudity or anything like that, just bloody-mindedness on apple's part. I could have pirated it, but I prefer to pay Jeff for his work.

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    14. Re:Other way around by inasity_rules · · Score: 4, Informative

      I specifically asked Jeff Vogel about this, and he said, no, it was only Apple. Apple did not respond to my query, so I must presume their guilt in the matter.

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    15. Re:Other way around by inasity_rules · · Score: 1

      Pity my credit card was geolocated in South Africa.

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    16. Re:Other way around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hehe. No. The Apple store is not tied to your geographical location, but that of your credit card. In Russia, I bought (on the same day) from the Russian, Danish, and Dutch stores. The Russian via a separate account, the Danish and Dutch using the same account by switching credit cards.

    17. Re:Other way around by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      The missus tried to go back to an iDevice after having used an Android for awhile. The salesdrone at the phone company store talked her out of it. Said that people that try to go back end up being dissatisfied by closed nature of Apple products.

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    18. Re:Other way around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      As someone that used to do (cross-platform!) app development for a living, I can say these two things:

      1) Google Play Store: Wild West of the app world. Gotta be really careful of the permissions and potential malware.

      2) Apple App Store: Same proportion of shitty apps as in the Google Play Store, with the added benefit of an inscrutable set of jackasses at the gate that whimsically decide whether to allow or deny an app.

      The only real advantage that Apple has is seamless iTunes integration on its devices. Google Play Music sucks, frankly. Whether that is worth the $300-$400 premium for a phone is left as an exercise to the reader.

    19. Re:Other way around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Pirate it, then send him a check/M.O./PayPal for the cost of the app. I've done that before.

    20. Re:Other way around by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      How were the seller's hands tied exactly? Most app developers just click every country in the app store when it comes to selling it. The only reason I can think of for a developer not to sell an app in a certain country is that he is not allowed to sell it there, because of content which is illegal in that country, or because the software uses libraries with a license that restricts sales in certain countries. In both cases it is appropriate not to sell the app there, and no fault of the "bastards in the middle"

      I'd say those are both bastards in the middle. You've just switched apple with less visible who decide what is legal (apple are hardly known for being 'edgy' so anything on the iapplestore is not likely to be objectionable) or those who decide what software licenses are valid in what places for whatever reason. I though the whole net thing was supposed to be one big place separate from countries and borders, but no, they're still there just slightly easier to get around in some cases.

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    21. Re:Other way around by msobkow · · Score: 1

      I know people who own both types of device who are so unhappy with them that they're swearing to never buy another one, and try the other with their next purchase.

      It's like someone who buys a Ford, hates the Ford, so they buy a GM, hate the GM, so they buy a Chrysler, hate the Chrysler... they're just never going to find a "perfect" device for their needs.

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    22. Re:Other way around by inasity_rules · · Score: 1

      I almost did, but I got an android and payed him through google play. I considered this, but I was simply pissed off at the time.

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    23. Re:Other way around by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 4, Insightful

      if you are ok 'following the rules' then apple is fine for you.

      I have a problem with 'rules' (when it comes to my own computer and what I can do with it) and so I won't be caught dead with a mac or iphone or ipad.

      computers are more than a simple appliance to me. so apple is entirely wrong for folks like me.

      wish there was a hacker's version (blessed by the company) for those who want something a bit more hybrid, with more freedom. I don't mind apple hardware but their software and systems approach is a huge turn-off and I won't buy their hardware only to have to fight them and work-around them.

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    24. Re:Other way around by CheshireDragon · · Score: 1

      You can get a VPN with a gift card.
      https://www.privateinternetacc...

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    25. Re:Other way around by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      What rules are there on a Mac that you can't live with?

    26. Re:Other way around by LVSlushdat · · Score: 1

      I could have pirated it, but I prefer to pay Jeff for his work.

      You *could* "pirate" it, then send the amount he's charging for the app to HIM directly.... FUCK APPLE!

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    27. Re:Other way around by Vlijmen+Fileer · · Score: 1

      That's pretty uninformed.
      3x4 Is a very good format for reading, at any rate clearly better than any more elongated format like 9x16.
      Not all videos are 9x16; mine are 3x4 and will stay that way; it's a much more balanced format.
      Photos are, and will remain, what the photographer wants them to be. Normaly anything between 1x1 and 3x4 for artistic reasons.
      Mind you: Computer screen first went to longer formats because that was cheaper to cut when making LCD screens. Movie theater screenings are often even in something like 1x2.2 because of theater hall dimensions. All the talk about longer formats being more natural for humans is nonsense, the drive is purely financial.

    28. Re:Other way around by gstoddart · · Score: 0

      It's like someone who buys a Ford, hates the Ford, so they buy a GM, hate the GM, so they buy a Chrysler, hate the Chrysler... they're just never going to find a "perfect" device for their needs.

      Or, they'll end up with an import and be perfectly happy.

      Just sayin', your analogy might not be the best here.

      Because, my experiences with Chrysler and GM in rental cars has left me thinking "I would not buy one of these".

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    29. Re:Other way around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I got an iPad as a gift from work when I lived in the US, 1st gen - right at release. It was pretty cool and I bought a few apps and whatnot.

      Moved back home to Canada, nothing worked anymore. I couldn't even update my free apps.

      Did a factory reset and traded it for a couple ounces of weed because Canada is awesome. The iconia I bought for 200 bucks is awesome too.

      Fuck Apple and fuck the states (well, 48 of them, at least).

    30. Re:Other way around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Closed nature of Apple products, my ass. What you meant to say is: salesdrone gets better commission by pushing Android, therefore it's the better solution for everybody who walks in the door according to salesdrone.

    31. Re:Other way around by Shadowmist · · Score: 1

      I'll admit I bought a Nokia 920 when it came out, thinking WP8 along with the supposedly great camera would make for a great phone. Long story short, I'm going to get an Android phone this weekend. WP8 has a lot of nice ideas, but like everything MS, they managed to throw in enough lemons to make it a mediocre product overall.

      What about the camera? Is it worth just using as a camera?

    32. Re:Other way around by BitZtream · · Score: 1

      ... yes, controlled by the author of the software. Its a bunch of checkboxes on the website store admins use.

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    33. Re:Other way around by BitZtream · · Score: 1

      Unless its doing something as listed on the link the the post you're replying to, then its just that the author didn't bother to enable it for your country.

      Its a checkbox on the app store management page.

      I call bullshit. Maybe its you, maybe its the author, but someone is lying.

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    34. Re:Other way around by johnsie · · Score: 1

      I had a similar problem with Android. I purchased the Logmein app, back when it was quite expensive. Then when I moved country Google expected me to pay for it again when I wanted to reinstall it. Thankfully they later made the app free.

    35. Re:Other way around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The geographical limitations of me buying an app from the iStore killed it for me. I even went as far as to contact the app author, who said his hands were tied. Willing buyer, willing seller, some fcuked up bastards in the middle. I will never go back.

      The app author can choose which countries the app is available in, and the app author can change that easily.

      BUT, perhaps the app author signed a contract with a third party saying that the app would only be offered for sale within certain geographic boundaries.

      For example, a Canadian friend of mine was visiting the USA. While in the USA (and verified by geolocation), they wanted to download the "NBC Sports Live Extra" app.

      No luck - you can't get that app from apple unless your itunes account is registered in the USA.

      Presumably NBC has licensed the rights to sporting events that they can only offer to US customers.

    36. Re:Other way around by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      i don't think you can pirate apps unless your shizz is jailbroken, and only a limited selection of models can be jailbroken. so you're probably SOL. or... just VPN to a different country and buy the app?

    37. Re:Other way around by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      they don't respond to queries in general. don't take it as admission of guilt.

    38. Re:Other way around by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Huh? My iPads work in Canada (or at least BC). You sure you were in Canada? Did you see any maple syrup? Any, eh?

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    39. Re:Other way around by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      most people surf the web in 4:3 or 3:4. if your monitor is 16:9, then your browser window probably closely approximates 3:4 or 4:3. Also, a sheet of US paper is closer to 3:4, while euro A4 paper is closer to 16:9. also books are closer to 3:4. so there's a lot of natural reasons to view in 3:4

    40. Re:Other way around by praxis · · Score: 1

      Geographical? What? You do know the App Store isn't an actual store in the mall, right?

      And you know that all content is not sold in all countries, right?

      And is therefore tied to your geographical location.

      I think "geographical" in this context is region-lock bit. I don't believe the iPhone uses the GPS to detect you moving geographically and disables software you purchased in the US when you are in the UK. I don't think the software is actually tied to your geographical location. Also, it's a pretty unfair comparison since the Google Play store does the same thing from what I understand. That said, I agree region-locking is dumb and bad business but let's stay to the facts when comparing.

    41. Re:Other way around by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      It's pretty much based on your IP address, for which they have location information. You know, geographical -- as in "of or pertaining to geography".

      When I'm in Canada, I see a different iTunes store than I do in the US. The same is true for Google. The same is true for Amazon.

      Nobody said anything about GPS, or disabling apps in specific locations. Only what they will make available to you for sale.

      But if you don't think using your IP address to determine what country you're in isn't geographical, well, then I'm afraid you don't know what the word means means.

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    42. Re:Other way around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a 920. What's wrong with it?

    43. Re:Other way around by master_kaos · · Score: 1

      Yes and I author some of those apps. Unfortunrely sometimes (even as the author and publisher) our hands our tied on what countries we an distribute it in. Contracts, rights, sponsorships, etc can all effect which countries we are allowed to distribute in.

    44. Re:Other way around by praxis · · Score: 1

      Then I misunderstood what you meant by "software tied to your geographical location". If you mean the App Store uses your IP address to present different Apps for purchase sure, but to me software being tied to a geographical location connotes that the software will only work in a certain geographical location and leaving that location will disable it.

    45. Re:Other way around by smash · · Score: 1

      Try using a 16x9 tablet for email or web browsing, then try it on an iPad or Surface Pro 3 and get back to me. 4:3 is a compromise for the form factor. It isn't designed purely for watching videos. Besides, if you want something optimised for videos, you want 2.3:1. But that aspect ratio on a tablet is clearly ridiculous. So is 16x9, once you've actually tried it back to back with something more close to square.

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    46. Re:Other way around by MrLeap · · Score: 1

      My family has somewhat of a long tradition of owning jeeps, because they "last forever!". 3 Cherokees in my family have lasted beyond 200k miles. I offhandedly assumed that those anecdotes meant data, so when I destroyed my '96 ranger in a car wreck, I bought an '07 wrangler.

      I've learned that the quality of Jeeps died once Chrysler bought them and started pulling from their part bins. The wrangler only had 40k miles on it, but I had to do an oil change every month because it burned so much.

      I ended up selling it to a dealer and getting a Toyota. The Jeep tradition is over as far as I'm concerned.

    47. Re:Other way around by inasity_rules · · Score: 1

      Given that the author replied and took it up with Apple, while my queries to Apple were ignored, I am inclined to disagree. If Apple had responded that it was unavailable because of x, or y or the author, I would have some way to say you may be correct. But given their silence to me, their customer, I must assume their guilt.

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    48. Re:Other way around by robbyb20 · · Score: 1

      May I ask what you were trying to buy and in what country/region? I find this interesting and have not come across this, although my traveling abroad has been limited to Italy, Ireland and Mexico and whatever apps I may have bought were all big name.

    49. Re:Other way around by inasity_rules · · Score: 1

      The author said it was Apple, and that they were notorious for being uncommunicative. Apple did not ban it, and later (about 1.5 years) released it here. I was not inclined to wait around for them to decide. To be clear, my communications from Apple amounts to adverts they sent me.

      The author's last email to me was as follows:

      I'm afraid I still have no idea what is going on there. And, alas, Apple is notoriously uncommunicative about these things. I'm not sure there'll be anything I can do about it. Many apologies!

      Why are you now attacking my or the Author's integrity? I smell a shill.

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    50. Re:Other way around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a few friends, which have had iphones for a few years, now, for different reasons they'd like to change, but they're locked in, no easy way to migrate all their data, apps, phonebook, old messages to an android phone.

      This is something that really gets on my nerves.

      As a strictly personal note: this is the top reason I will never buy anything from apple (well, the main reason before this used to be because they killed the apple ][ line in favour of the macintosh...)

    51. Re:Other way around by robbyb20 · · Score: 1

      I recently did the same thing. I added a line to my contract and picked up the Lumia 1020 for the camera. Thought I'd kill 2 birds with 1 stone. Come to find out that WP8(8.1) does not have great support for apps(I'm used to the iPhone selection of apps) and the camera was inconsistent unless shot in RAW(which was cool) but then I always had to copy the 45mn+ files back to my computer to edit.

      Long story short, Im back on my iPhone 5S and will stay here and wait for the camera designer(808/1020) Apple snagged from Nokia a couple weeks ago makes a big improvement to the camera on the iPhone.

    52. Re:Other way around by inasity_rules · · Score: 1

      I actually can and will. There is something called customer service. Difficult in a large company like apple/google, I understand. I have never had the need to query google, but if I do and they don't answer, like any reasonable consumer, I shall presume their guilt and take my business elsewhere.

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    53. Re:Other way around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, the Microsoft Store is selling the Lumia 520 for $60. It takes microSD cards and can play mp3s and mp4s. At the very least, it can make a good portable media device. (Something like a third or a half of all Windows Phones are Lumia 520s or 521s.)

    54. Re:Other way around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you configure your ipad to use a vpn with a geo-tag of the "proper" country, I bet it would get around the iStore location problem.

    55. Re:Other way around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes but some apps can't be sold in every country because of laws. \
      I was once thinking about making a password manager app for iOs. I kinda changed my mind about it when i saw the huge legal hassle with getting an app that uses encryption on the store. Also thous kind of apps can't be sold in some countries.

    56. Re:Other way around by BorgDrone · · Score: 1

      Eh.. the author of the app can select which countries to publish in, what does Apple have to do with it if it's not due to a regional restriction ? Why was the author unable to just tick 1 checkbox ?

    57. Re:Other way around by nabsltd · · Score: 1

      3x4 Is a very good format for reading, at any rate clearly better than any more elongated format like 9x16.

      Based on the scans of my book covers, most books are about 1.5:1 (height/width), and looking at the text on the page, the actual used area is very similar. Most dedicated eBook readers have similar ratios.

      So, it appears that both 1.78:1 and 1.33:1 aren't quite the same as historical reading aspect ratios, and both are off by about the same amount. I would suspect that 1.78:1 would look better, though, as it's much closer to the golden ratio than 1.33:1 is, and about as different as 1.5:1 is.

    58. Re:Other way around by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Which country? Are you talking about a country that isn't served by the Apple App Store? Or an app author that chose not to sell in that particular country?

    59. Re:Other way around by BasilBrush · · Score: 3, Interesting

      this was the game Avernum in South Africa

      I've just checked it out. That game is available in South Africa. If it wasn't when you tried it's because the author neglected to check the checkbox for South Africa.

    60. Re:Other way around by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      The author's ignorance is not Apple's guilt. The author controls the countries the app is sold in.

    61. Re:Other way around by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      Why should a consumer product company give a fuck about customer service

      FTFY

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    62. Re:Other way around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not likely. At least as a salesdrone at RS, there were so many bonuses that went into pushing Apple Products and associated accessories(AppleCare +, iPods, headphones of the latest style, aux cables, docking stations, chargers, extra cables, cables to attach to a TV, 50-80 different "Fashionable" cases [as opposed to 1 or 2 cases for any model android, if you're lucky]...etc), a single sale could easily nab about $50-75 take-home for the associate above what we could pull down on a comparable Android sale. For me it was always a point of principle to push Android where I could, even though I wasn't maxing out my earning potential.

    63. Re:Other way around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't like MS, but liked WP. Trouble was, not a good crop of phones this time around, so I finally went Android. I had last used Android as a hack on my TYTN.

    64. Re:Other way around by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 1
      Windows Phone is no longer the "fastest growing" and is in fact stagnating.

      Possibly even "fastest stagnating".

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    65. Re:Other way around by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 1

      But does it run Linux?

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    66. Re:Other way around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've met a lot of Windows Phone users? You must live in Redmond ;)

    67. Re:Other way around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not being able to maximize windows consistently and/or at all. This is such a non-starter I won't bother with even the rest of the short list.

    68. Re:Other way around by Kalriath · · Score: 1

      They don't use your IP address unless you're not logged in. If you're logged in, they use your iTunes account's country (no matter where in the world you are).

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    69. Re:Other way around by gmhowell · · Score: 2

      They purchased AMC 20 years prior to your vehicle purchase. And Jeeps have never been known to be things like 'leak free'. OTOH, I was rather impressed with how they built them, at least relating to the 1978 CJ5 I used to have. Ran several miles at highway speed with no oil in the sump. And for tens of thousands of miles after refilling it :D Oh, it had about 80,000 miles on it when I bought it. But problem free? Well, how did the oil drain out?

      Point is, if you had gone by anything other than anecdotal evidence, you would have known what you were in for.

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    70. Re:Other way around by inasity_rules · · Score: 1

      The author claims he did. Apple did not comment.

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    71. Re:Other way around by inasity_rules · · Score: 1

      And yet the author insisted he had selected all regions/countries. I am inclined to believe him, given my communications with him. Apple's guilt.

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    72. Re:Other way around by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Your inclination is by the by. You've been told by several developers here how it works. Your disinclination to believe them makes no odds to the fact that they are right.

    73. Re:Other way around by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      Just tried it and clicking + fully maximised on every application but Chrome which for some reason has incremental sizing on it. What applications don't work for you?

    74. Re:Other way around by inasity_rules · · Score: 1

      http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

      For whatever reason, Apple chose to ignore his selection and then did not communicate why. So, I am quite happy not to believe apple apologists in this case.

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    75. Re:Other way around by jo_ham · · Score: 1

      And you believe him?

      Easy to pass off the blame on the faceless Apple, when the control over where your app is sold is a developer decision, unless specific legal issues are encountered (music rights, sponsorship, legality of particular content in certain countries etc), which are clearly spelled out in Apple's documentation.

      So, how is it their fault again, or did you get caught in a little white lie because you weren't expecting people to actually argue with you and point out inconsistencies in your argument?

    76. Re:Other way around by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      This may very well be the case of iPhone in China, given that it only recently started officially selling there.

      Okay, this is bullshit - iPhones have officially been for sale in China since 2009. Don't believe T self-rightous FA.

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    77. Re: Other way around by inasity_rules · · Score: 1

      I do believe him, yes. He seems like an honest fellow, and I have a record of the conversation. Apple, is however, exactly that, a faceless corporation. Who did not care enough to respond to either myself, or the author (again, I choose to trust the author over some beurocratic and notorious corporation, perhaps simply because he was polite enough to respond). You alledging I am a liar is nothing more than an ad homien attack. I did make a best effort attempt to contact both, and I think it is totally reasonable to find in favour of the one who showed up to defend themselves.

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    78. Re:Other way around by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      Which country? Are you talking about a country that isn't served by the Apple App Store? Or an app author that chose not to sell in that particular country?

      There were no games in the Brazilian App Store at first, because of problems with the ratings, but that changed years ago.

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    79. Re:Other way around by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      "Apple apologists"? I think we've got your number now. Thanks for playing.

    80. Re:Other way around by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      Not quite, specifically this was the game Avernum in South Africa. Not DRM or nudity or anything like that, just bloody-mindedness on apple's part. I could have pirated it, but I prefer to pay Jeff for his work.

      Not quite, specifically this was the game Avernum in South Africa. Not DRM or nudity or anything like that, just bloody-mindedness on apple's part.

      By Apple you mean the "Films and Publications Board responsible for approving movies, games, and other content before going on sale in the country." Other than that you are right - IOW you are wrong on the important part.

      https://itunes.apple.com/za/app/avernum-6-hd/id547400849?mt=8

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    81. Re:Other way around by inasity_rules · · Score: 1

      This incident happened over a year ago. The app was at the time unavailable.

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    82. Re:Other way around by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      This incident happened over a year ago. The app was at the time unavailable.

      So? It still wasn't Apple's fault, like you keep insisting. I repeat, it was the fucking Films and Publications Board of South Africa.

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    83. Re:Other way around by inasity_rules · · Score: 1

      Oh, right. That would naturally explain why it was available on steam at the time. I stand corrected....

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    84. Re:Other way around by Teckla · · Score: 1

      Just tried it and clicking + fully maximised on every application but Chrome which for some reason has incremental sizing on it. What applications don't work for you?

      OS X has what's called the Zoom button, not a Maximize button. It's supposed to size the window to best fit the content. Sometimes it does the same as Maximize does, sometimes it doesn't. Often it doesn't.

      Source: My wife switched to OS X about 4 1/2 years ago. The lack of a Maximize button is, indeed, an annoyance. In OS X Mavericks, there's a full screen feature, but that's not quite the same. We frequently merely struggle a bit to manually maximize windows.

    85. Re:Other way around by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      The South African App Store needs to follow South African law. The US steam store doesn't. Even a moron would understand that. You obviously don't even qualify for moron status.

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    86. Re: Other way around by inasity_rules · · Score: 1

      Because no steam content is hosted locally. Right... ok, keep insulting me, you're really on a roll there, and it makes you look so good. Never mind that my complete complaint is that even if what you alledge is the case, why can't apple put "pending local approval" or similar in the store, instead of dangling something in front of you and denying it on the location of not your accound, but your credit card. So if I wanted to buy the game with a sa card while physically located in the states I should be able too. I understand governments can be thick, but I can't see a way apple comes out of this looking good. You certainly don't.

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    87. Re:Other way around by laird · · Score: 1

      Salesdrone recommendations are usually based on which ever company is paying "incentives" when you ask. Not that all sales people can be bought, but if you give a salesperson an extra $20 for selling your product, suddenly an awful lot of them will start insisting that your product is "best".

  3. "By Mistake" by Godai · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, fortunately iOS 8 adds a bunch of things that Android has had forever, so that will help the problem!

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    1. Re:"By Mistake" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      We are stupid. Buying smartphones by mistake!!!

    2. Re:"By Mistake" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They are adding malware? I must have missed that part...

    3. Re:"By Mistake" by SternisheFan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So basically, is Apple's CEO saying that Apple users are idiots?

    4. Re:"By Mistake" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Shhhhhh..... you'll cause the reality distortion field to collapse.

    5. Re:"By Mistake" by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, just that they're buying it wrong.

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    6. Re:"By Mistake" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, this is why I stand in front of their products: idiotPhone, idiotPad and idiotPod

    7. Re:"By Mistake" by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 1

      Are there any important features in iOS8 that Android doesn't already have? On the Apple web page I see:

      Cloud photos. Complete with an icon that looks identical to the current Android/G+ photos app icon. Got it.

      iMessages can do voice recordings now, and share locations and videos. WhatsApp does these things for ages already (and everyone here uses WhatsApp).

      Notifications can have actions now. Android had this since Jellybean, though I'm not sure if they can have edit fields. Buttons certainly. Beneficially, Android notifications do not look like ass.

      The multi-tasking UI shows recent people as well as recent apps now. OK, Android doesn't have that, though switching to a chat app usually does the trick for me. I'm not sure how important this is.

      The Mail app now lets you swipe to mark as read (Gmail on Android uses swipe to archive for a while now), and recognises flight notifications and lets you add them to your calendar. Google Now does this for quite some time already, but it's automatic and you don't have to manually add to your calendar.

      Safari now lets you see all open tabs (?? did it not do this before?). Chrome on Android at least lets you also zoom out to see tabs in a stack.

      The keyboard now suggests the next word based on a language model. Android keyboard did this for a while already. Although from the screenshots it looks like maybe Apple's implementation is smarter (is it reading the question in the dinner/movie example?). I found the Android next word suggestions to rarely be helpful.

      They allow third party keyboards now. A feature Android had since v1.0

      Family sharing seems pretty unique, although as my family does not consistently use iOS and I am not a father or husband this is pretty irrelevant for me.

      iCloud Drive. Same as Google Drive. Integrated since Jellybean with better integration since (I think) KitKat.

      Health app/kit. I guess this is for Bluetooth LE profiles. Android does not have an integrated health app, alright. However I do not own any BLE health devices and don't plan to, so also pretty unimportant for me.

      Cross device sync (but only if you use Apple stuff). Well, Google apps do this for many years already. Hangouts ring my phone and laptop already, Gmail syncs drafts already, etc.

      A better integrated search engine. The one I've got in Android works fine. Not sure how much of a difference there is now.

      And that's it. Out of all the new features, only three are unique to iOS and none matter for me personally. People in the multitasking UI is the only one I might possibly want to use. The rest are all catching up to Android, again. It's funny ... the times when I most appreciate my Nexus 5 are Apple announcement times, because it reminds me of all the features I sort of forgot about and take for granted.

    8. Re:"By Mistake" by cyberchondriac · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So basically, is Apple's CEO saying that Apple users are idiots?

      Actually, yes, I think that's a fair conclusion - not that all Apple users are idiots (I'm one), but that is what he's basically intimating by making that ludicrous remark. How could anyone confuse phones? Even if you're totally illiterate, or English isn't your language, the iPhone has a distinctive look that hasn't changed in years, plus a big honkin' Apple logo on the back.
      In reality, I think he's full of shit, and just trying to make excuses for Androids popularity and Apple's loss of market share. Mind you, I have nothing against iPhones, in fact I use one, and I like it. Very stable, very fast, the apps do what I need them to do, I don't need to hack this and that and customize my icons, blah blah. (besides, jailbreaking allows all that). But I have a Nexus 7 too. It's all good.
      Apple needs to accept the fact that Android is steep competition for them, and stop making silly, insulting excuses.

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    9. Re:"By Mistake" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who else would they market their one size fits all product to? People who compare specifications, features and price before making purchases are obviously not their target market.

    10. Re:"By Mistake" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So basically, is Apple's CEO saying that Apple users are idiots?

      No, but you are because you generalise about millions of people.

    11. Re:"By Mistake" by DeathToBill · · Score: 1

      Can you feel the self-awareness failure yet? Cook generalises about millions of users, but he's not the one at fault here; the commenter asks a question about one person (Cook) but apparently now he's "generalis[ing] about millions of people."

      Fool boy, see me after class.

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    12. Re:"By Mistake" by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      Samsung has had a health app/kit for a while now.

    13. Re:"By Mistake" by Vlijmen+Fileer · · Score: 1

      I'm sure you meant that in a funny way. But I find it almost frightening to realize that "Reality distortion field" seems to be about the only way to explain Apple fans' weird fanatism :s.

    14. Re:"By Mistake" by Godai · · Score: 1

      The family sharing thing would be very nice to have as a recently married man. I have a large music library (though probably tiny to a lot of people, big to me!) that she'd like to access and it seems silly that we can't just both be able to play from it. Ditto books, movies, etc.

      That said, I fully expect that over time this kind of thing will come to everyone on every platform. Microsoft kind of dipped their feet into this during the X-Box One debacle, though what they were talking about is now irrelevant given they dropped that whole aspect of their platform. Apple adding it will speed things along, and it doesn't surprise me that they're first; I imagine this will require some licensing hoop jumping and whatever else I think of Apple, they do seem to have a lot more muscle in that department.

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    15. Re:"By Mistake" by Dragonslicer · · Score: 1

      So basically, is Apple's CEO saying that Apple users are idiots?

      Why do you think there's still only one button on an iPhone? For that matter, how long did it take Apple to acknowledge that users might just be able to handle a mouse with more than one button?

    16. Re:"By Mistake" by Threni · · Score: 1

      He said 25% of Android users are on the older version of the software by mistake - meant to say 17%.

      Also, if you look at Android market share, many many people seem to be rather consistently buying Android phones by mistake!

    17. Re:"By Mistake" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Samsung has had a shitty, barely working, with no notable integrations with external services health app/kit for a while now.

      FTFY.

    18. Re:"By Mistake" by Vitriol+Angst · · Score: 2

      So basically, is Apple's CEO saying that Apple users are idiots?

      No, he's saying that accidental Android users are idiots and those are the best customers.
      What's in your pocket? ;-)

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    19. Re:"By Mistake" by Vitriol+Angst · · Score: 0

      There are a lot of people who are not technically literate. They muddle along and learn about how awesome an iPhone is and that their niece wants one. They go into Best Buys and a market droid says; "Oh, you want a smart phone -- well, this is just as good as an iPhone and it's $50 less today only."

      "But I wanted to get my niece an iPhone -- you're saying they are compatible and the same thing?"

      "Yes, yes this is an iPhone TOO -- it just says Samsung. They made it as same as legally possible and a little bit more."

      "Sounds good to me."

      "You've made a wise choice. Would you be interested in an extended warranty?"

      "Should I get one?"

      "Well, you've already saved $50 -- and with this phone, the extended warranty is only $49. You can't afford NOT to get one."

      "Wow, I feel so much better -- I've saved money and I have a warranty on an iPhone!"

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    20. Re:"By Mistake" by Vitriol+Angst · · Score: 1

      They weren't dumbing down the tool -- that has NOT been the point. They wanted to make it discoverable and usable. If there is only one button, you don't click on something with the 2nd button and "find a secret option."

      As an expert user, I prefer a two-button mouse -- and people have grown up with technology now. The one button mouse is no longer a good choice -- but in the early days it was.

      Geeks use Macs and Windows -- so let's not start this nonsense about training wheels again. It's not dumbing down -- it's usability and people shouldn't have to muck around with an OS if that is not what they are intending to do. A two-button mouse is superior in my opinion, but should not be required to function. Different argument.

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    21. Re:"By Mistake" by cyberchondriac · · Score: 2

      They didn't buy it by "mistake" then, they were misled into a different phone by the sales guy.

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    22. Re:"By Mistake" by dkman · · Score: 1

      Yes, that's exactly what he's saying.

      The sad thing is that he's right (about people, in general, being idiots - do you need me to count the ways). But I don't think he's right about people buying a phone they didn't mean to buy. If Joe Schmoe wanted an iPhone and they sold him something else he got manipulated/cheated/etc. If he just said "give me the best phone you've got", or "what would you recommend" then there was no mistake, they didn't know what they wanted.

      I don't understand the concept of "bought an X by mistake". I rarely buy something by mistake. Scenarios: if there's a spot for Y on the shelf and I reach up and grab one without looking and don't notice that someone mixed some other product in with it. Or if I think product Z will work, but didn't read the label before purchasing it.
      Both of those scenarios are "my fault", even if someone else played a part. In the summary he never claims that it wasn't the users' fault.
      Full disclosure: I did not read the article.

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    23. Re:"By Mistake" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hope that I am able to convey this message in a language you are capable of understanding. (Yo listen up boy)
      1. Let us assume that the majority of iPhone Users are idiots which you tentatively agree with by not out right denying it. (You know iPhone bitches be all whacked in the head)
      2. You admit to being an iPhone user. (iPhone peep Yo)
      3. You are likely by your own admission to be an idiot. If you're an idiot you probably wouldn't be qualified to evaluated your own intelligence. (You so stupid you be like what smart)
      4. Therefor you are likely an idiot. (you be whacked in the head)

      Also, on your last point. Apple needs to avoid admitting that their competing with Android at near the same level or that Androids for half the cost can do 90% of what an iPhone can do. It would be like when Motorola dropped the price of 6800 in response to the 6502, It told people that the 6502 was actually in competition with the big boys and that Motorola had been price gouging the whole time. (Don't sell Crystal for a dub cause some homies be buying K-bell yo. Even though both necks be flowin good yo)

    24. Re:"By Mistake" by praxis · · Score: 1

      Can you feel the self-awareness failure yet? Cook generalises about millions of users, but he's not the one at fault here; the commenter asks a question about one person (Cook) but apparently now he's "generalis[ing] about millions of people."

      Fool boy, see me after class.

      In humour, the punch line is often a generalization or exaggeration to emphasis the crux of the joke. At a feel-good conference where a corporation speaks to an assembled crowd of developers already invested in their platform jokes which rib the competition while bolstering the egos of the assembled developers are common.

      I found Cook's joke rather stupid and groan-worthy but I also see it for what it is and do not assume those are his personal thoughts about millions of people. Did you feel the statement was meant to be a serious exegesis regarding millions of people?

    25. Re:"By Mistake" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple's slogan used to be "The computer, for the rest of us".

      Translation: Computers for you fucktards.

    26. Re:"By Mistake" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hope that I am able to convey this message in a language you are capable of understanding. (Yo listen up boy)
      1. Let us assume that the majority of iPhone Users are idiots which you tentatively agree with by not out right denying it. (You know iPhone bitches be all whacked in the head)
      2. You admit to being an iPhone user. (iPhone peep Yo)
      3. You are likely by your own admission to be an idiot. If you're an idiot you probably wouldn't be qualified to evaluated your own intelligence. (You so stupid you be like what smart)
      4. Therefor you are likely an idiot. (hey stupid.)

      Also, on your last point. Apple needs to avoid admitting that their competing with Android at near the same level or that Androids for half the cost can do 90% of what an iPhone can do. It would be like when Motorola dropped the price of 6800 in response to the 6502, It told people that the 6502 was actually in competition with the big boys and that Motorola had been price gouging the whole time. (Don't sell Crystal for a dub cause some homies be buying K-bell yo. Even though both necks be flowin good.)

    27. Re:"By Mistake" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > How could anyone confuse phones?

      Rounded corners! :-(

    28. Re:"By Mistake" by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      So basically, is Apple's CEO saying that Apple users are idiots?

      I seem to recall hearing a saying that goes something like this:

      Feed the rich; become poor.
      Feed the poor; become rich.

      A corollary might be:

      A)Sell to idiots.
      B) Profit!

      :)

    29. Re:"By Mistake" by smash · · Score: 1

      Because it has a touchscreen for everything else?

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    30. Re:"By Mistake" by smash · · Score: 0

      95% plus of people are not interested in computers for computers sake. They may be teachers, scientists or business moguls. Not necessarily fucktards - just not interested in computers. For them, a computer is a tool like a hammer or a screwdriver, that they only use to get a job done. Fucking around with PC brain damage rather than spending their valuable time doing what they would rather be doing is something that Apple minimises for them.

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    31. Re:"By Mistake" by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

      LOL

      Wat? I can't unnerstan nuthin u sayin, booyie.
      U havnt got enuff swag to hang wit me.

      YOLO!

      No doubt a lot of iPhone users merit the idiot label. But from a business perspective, Cook made a bad move here.

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    32. Re:"By Mistake" by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      I was in the library a couple of months ago, and there was an IT skills class for adults going on. Must have been the first class because the teacher was telling the class about clicking on stuff with the mouse. And clearly some of the class were confused about which button to click with because I heard the teacher tell them that if the button they pressed doesn't do what they want they should try the other button.

      All users go through this. I know because after I was very familiar with two button mice, I tried Linux and RiscOS which has uses for all three buttons. And they take time to develop muscle memory for too.

      When the Mac started out, pretty much no one knew how to use a mouse. At that time it made sense to limit mouse buttons to a single one.

      For sure I think that Apple shipped a single button mouse with their computers for too long. People who are confident with mice outnumbered people who weren't by maybe 2000. Switching to a 2 button mouse at the same time as going to OSX would have been sensible.

      I believe the reason they did it was in order to make sure that software authors didn't hide functionality under right click menus. To make sure that menu was merely a convenient alternative, not the primary way of manipulating on screen objects.

    33. Re:"By Mistake" by SternisheFan · · Score: 1
      A month ago I upgraded my 3+ year old Android 2.2 basic starter smartphone to a Samsung S3 (which just upgraded to 4.4.2). Cellphones, be it Apple, Android or other, are all antennaed mini-computers (with a phone 'app') "App" players. Apple products were too expensive for me, Androids had more user controlled capability. The S3 is powerful enough to run Mame and Nintendo64/ Playstation roms, has a good size screen for watching video, and a 64gb sd card capability. This'll probably stay as my phone for several years.

      I don't care what you have as long as it works for your needs.

    34. Re:"By Mistake" by Kalriath · · Score: 1

      Samsung has had a shitty, barely working, with lots of bloated apps with no notable utility, phone for a while now.

      FTFY.

      FTFTFY

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    35. Re:"By Mistake" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hearing someone with a UID as low as yours, speak in that manner, pained me badly.

    36. Re:"By Mistake" by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      Some of you guys seem to think there's some kind of conspiracy if a salesperson recommends a droid over iphone. I wonder how many iphone users have an iphone not because it's the best device for their needs but because it's cool thing to have. I wonder how many even put consideration into what they wanted from a device, because most who do, choose android. It's not necessarily better but it's definitely not as bad. Unless you have apple everything else and live firmly in the iGarden then an iphone is going to cause headaches.

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    37. Re:"By Mistake" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Are there any important features in iOS8 that Android doesn't already have?

      Privacy.

    38. Re:"By Mistake" by DeathToBill · · Score: 1

      Was talking about the AC commenting, not Cook. Fool boy see me after class.

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    39. Re:"By Mistake" by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

      You do know what satire is, right.... ?

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    40. Re:"By Mistake" by jo_ham · · Score: 0

      It's hilarious to see just how butthurt the Andoid faithful get over a flippant comment in the keynote.

      Cook's comments were a clear and obvious joke, framed in the context of the change in Apple's user base. It's no different to any of the jokes told around here about Apple or its users. He was clearly not serious. The keynote also featured a video message schtick of a bad hair day being corrected with a hedge trimmer - are we meant to take that totally seriously too?

      Apple and its users get a seriously large amount of vitriol thrown at them on a day to day basis, so they throw in a few jokes about people buying Android phones "by mistake!" and the Apple haters start frothing.

      So, just to be clear on this - you think that any one who uses an Apple product is delusional? That is your suggestion, yes?

    41. Re:"By Mistake" by praxis · · Score: 1

      Was talking about the AC commenting, not Cook. Fool boy see me after class.

      You are correct. I misread. When is class over? I would like my extra-curricular lesson, Sir.

  4. The shareholders will be impressed by gavron · · Score: 0

    Everything Tim Cook says in his official capacity reflects what Apple thinks.
    That means that if it later comes out HE MADE THE WHOLE THING UP
    BASED ENTIRELY ON HIS OPINION and that there are no statistics to
    back it up, if the stock goes down, shareholders will sue.

    How could he have statistics? Simple. Apple is in a unique position to
    have every iPhone purchaser fill out a survey. But... they don't. So
    there is no such data. That means any "conclusion" is purely anecdotal
    (as in "My buddy said so and my other buddy agreed, yeah Android was
    a mistake.") That's not statistically significant, and it's irresponsible for
    a CEO of a public company to say so.

    Still, whatever helps him sleep at night.

    E

    1. Re:The shareholders will be impressed by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      if the stock goes down, shareholders will sue.

      Is that how it works?

      I don't think that's how it works. At least, it shouldn't work like that, save for intentional pump-n-dump type situations.

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    2. Re:The shareholders will be impressed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tim made that all up. There are a lot of anecdotes of people switching to iPhone. There are just as many (or more) anecdotes about people switching to Android. iOS'es market share numbers vs. Android's numbers don't lie. The percent of the market that iOS has is shrinking - anecdotes about "a better life" be damned.

    3. Re:The shareholders will be impressed by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's not statistically significant, and it's irresponsible for
      a CEO of a public company to say so.

      I believe the word you're looking for is puffery.

      Basically you can be full of shit, everyone knows you're full of shit, but it's OK to be full of shit because everyone knows you're not actually making a statement of fact.

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    4. Re:The shareholders will be impressed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was said before, I I will repeat it, Apple is a monopoly pure and simple. The fact they come up with delusional propaganda in order to persuade the dumb public into buying an idiotphone only proves this.

      This is what happens when you pat yourself on the back for stealing other tech, then try to hold out the next 'great' features which are pretty much standard on every other smartphone. I'm hoping, out of all the things I am hearing about Apple recently, this time around they will be in the history books as nothing more then another tech company that stole its shit from everyone else then tried to monopolize it. Instead of this messiah company that has done nothing, while the idiot media/press continue to think asshole like Steve Knobs was some type of great innovator.

    5. Re:The shareholders will be impressed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      iOS hits all time low: http://venturebeat.com/2013/08/01/android-reaches-massive-80-market-share-windows-phone-hits-global-high-iphone-languishes/
      Android dominates market: http://www.forbes.com/sites/tonybradley/2013/11/15/android-dominates-market-share-but-apple-makes-all-the-money/
      Android thriving thanks to Apples staggering prices: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/12/google-android-apple_n_4260292.html

      Cook is just following the fine tradition started by Jobs of spewing bullshit to pump up the believers to continue drinking the koolaid.

       

    6. Re:The shareholders will be impressed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was said before, I I will repeat it, Apple is a monopoly pure and simple

      Oh right, they're a monopoly. Because I cannot go out and buy ANY OTHER PRODUCT. Nope. Can't go buy a different branded phone. Oh and this computer I'm typing on. Clearly I must have gotten it from a different country where there is the sale of other devices. Shut the hell up you dork.

    7. Re:The shareholders will be impressed by idontgno · · Score: 1

      You've highlighted the fundamental issue of Apple, post-Jobs.

      Tim Cook may or may not be a fine CEO if executing the business plan is all you want. But he can't market for shit. If The Sainted Steve had yanked that speculative crap out of his skinny ass, his RDF would have Jedi-mind-tricked the tame press into believing it, evangelizing it, and providing any post-hoc justification he needed.

      Apple stopped being a religion with the passing of Steve Jobs.

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    8. Re:The shareholders will be impressed by smash · · Score: 1

      You know carriers know what handset you use, and apple has agreements with their carriers, right?

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    9. Re:The shareholders will be impressed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It worked well for SUN, who succesfully used the motto "you should buy our stuff because at least we're not Microsoft!"

    10. Re:The shareholders will be impressed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fun fact: The handset type can be edited in Android OS. Its found in build.prop, mine reads "neo" and "the matrix has you" for the make and model.

    11. Re:The shareholders will be impressed by Kalriath · · Score: 1

      If you're going to assert that, you have to admit that Microsoft is not and has never been a monopoly as well.

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  5. Android by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    These ARE the droids we're looking for ;)

    1. Re:Android by buddyglass · · Score: 2

      Motorola should totally cut a deal with Lucasfilm (or Disney, or whoever owns the rights now) and put out a commercial that plays off that line from Star Wars. Could maybe make some fake desert footage of a guy looking for a phone and splice it in with clips of Alec Guinness from the movie. People would eat it up.

    2. Re:Android by tedgyz · · Score: 1

      Great idea! I have been faithful to Motorola phones since the original RAZR (think Tony Soprano). I now have a RAZR M since I wanted the smallest, fully functional Android smartphone.

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  6. That's like the switch from Windows to Mac by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are lots of people switching from Windows to Mac, not a lot are switching from the Mac to the Windows. Do you have some? Sure you have! But not the majority. Windows, Android, Nokia and all others just messed things up pretty bad for the end consumer. It's an almost bankrupt company Apple that had to kick their balls to go user friendly and 'just make things work' a focus again.

    Apple deserves all the money on their accounts that they have.

    1. Re:That's like the switch from Windows to Mac by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are lots of people switching from Windows to Mac, not a lot are switching from the Mac to the Windows. Do you have some? Sure you have! But not the majority. Windows, Android, Nokia and all others just messed things up pretty bad for the end consumer. It's an almost bankrupt company Apple that had to kick their balls to go user friendly and 'just make things work' a focus again.

      Apple deserves all the money on their accounts that they have.

      Where I cannot argue with your assertions, they are true, I am going to argue with your conclusion.

      Windows is loosing market share. Like it or not, Windows is the king of the hill by a WIDE margin, with Apple and Linux trailing far behind. Folks leaving Windows for Apple are common, and if they have decided to pay the premium to get Apple, they are not going to be inclined to ditch it very quickly. But the reason is not because they like Apple better, but because it was really expensive to move. Some do move from Apple back to Windows, it's just a vanishingly small number. Some people don't like Apple's interface and/or don't care to pay the premium price to use Apple stuff, but once they buy it, it's hard to ditch it.

    2. Re:That's like the switch from Windows to Mac by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you sound like a bumbling idiot.

    3. Re:That's like the switch from Windows to Mac by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hardly. My experience has been pretty much the opposite. I purchased an iDevice found it worked okay, wanted something more, Android then offered the "more" factor. If it wasn't for Apple maybe i wouldn't of enjoyed using Android so much.

      As for switching from Windows to Mac, I've been a consistent Linux and FreeBSD user. Switching to a walled garden version and spoon fed version of BSD (MacOS) I felt was again just limiting what I could do with a PC.

    4. Re:That's like the switch from Windows to Mac by Lawrence_Bird · · Score: 1

      Please provide your statistics on Mac market share. According to NetApplications, OS X share is 7.4%. That is very inline with historical Apple share of market since the 1980's. Bottom line, it is Apple FUD.

    5. Re:That's like the switch from Windows to Mac by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They don't need to switch, they can use bootcamp and run windows whenever they want to.

  7. White Moto X by tbuddy · · Score: 5, Funny

    I constantly have people refer to my Moto X as an iPhone and tell me that it's natural for me to use an iPhone since I work on a lot of Macs. I don't think the Slashdot crowd are the type to get duped, but I can recount tons of people who went in for iPhones and were sold on Galaxy S3 by Verizon sales critters. I don't think really either is going to make for a better life more than the next. You can play Angry Birds while you poop with either equally effectively.

    1. Re:White Moto X by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But you can't download a video of someone else pooping to your iPhone while doing so. Clearly, Android has the edge.

    2. Re:White Moto X by Sockatume · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I suspect - and Apple would probably hate this - that to many people "iPhone" and "smartphone" mean exactly the same thing, in much the same way that all tissues are Kleenex. If you don't give enough of a damn about the differences between square touchscreens called Nexus and iPhone and Galaxy and Lumia to make a purchasing decision between them, you probably don't give enough of a damn to keep their names striaght.

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    3. Re:White Moto X by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 2

      having just bought a phone for my mom, at a VZ store no less, they recommended iPhone. We went with the Galaxy S5 instead, as I have never used an iPhone, and I am the one going to support it. My impression of the store was, you have half a dozen iPhones on the Apple wall, and several brands and a few models of each on the Android wall. The shear number of choices made it hard to choose iPhone randomly. And the salesperson's push to iPhone made it hard to choose Android by accident.

      In the end, (anecdotal evidence) we got exactly the phone we wanted. It isn't hard to choose either, and if you're just looking for a "smart phone" you'll get one. However, saying that people "accidentally" bought an Android is a bit of a stretch and quite frankly says more about iPhone users and Apple customers intelligence than I suspect he wanted to say.

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    4. Re:White Moto X by mlts · · Score: 2

      This is probably similar to how some call all digital audio players, "iPods", or any tablet an iPad. For example, someone looking at a tablet, and telling the clerk they wanted the "Samsung iPad".

      Is buying an Android phone a "mistake"? To answer a question with a question, is buying a Ford F-350 over a Dodge 3500 a mistake?

      Yesterday's WWDC had a lot of stuff being announced, I'd say one of the more useful announcements was the iCloud storage price drop and the fact that iCloud can be used directly as a drive similar to Dropbox. However, Google Drive has had this functionality for a while, and its price is about the same as Apple's offering.

      As for Android being a "mistake", not really. I don't know any tasks that you can do on iOS that can't be done on Android unless it is due to Apple-specific stuff like iMessage. Vice-versa, the main thing Android can do over non-jailbroken iOS are fairly esoteric things like accessing a sshfs volume, something that isn't really an everyday thing for most people.

    5. Re:White Moto X by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      To answer a question with a question, is buying a Ford F-350 over a Dodge 3500 a mistake?

      According to my Mopar-inclined friends ... absolutely it is.

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    6. Re:White Moto X by tepples · · Score: 1

      This is probably similar to how some call all digital audio players, "iPods", or any tablet an iPad. For example, someone looking at a tablet, and telling the clerk they wanted the "Samsung iPad".

      If corporate found out, it would probably drill something like this into clerks' heads: "Samsung doesn't make the iPad; Apple does. Let me show you the Galaxy Tab."

    7. Re:White Moto X by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      This isn't quite the same thing as handing over hundreds of $currency for a "Moto X" or "Samsung Galaxy SIII" by mistaken when you meant to buy a box with "iPhone" written on it though. What you describe is consumers using the term iPhone generically, like calling all vacuum cleaners hoovers, and then making a (somewhat) informed decision as to which one they want.

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    8. Re:White Moto X by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      The fact that you don't have to rely on flaws in the OS just so you can use it in ways that you want to is a pretty decent advantage.

    9. Re:White Moto X by MBGMorden · · Score: 2

      If corporate found out, it would probably drill something like this into clerks' heads: "Samsung doesn't make the iPad; Apple does. Let me show you the Galaxy Tab."

      Not always the best strategy. You have to understand that many people in the buying public view such corrections as you being overly pedantic. If they want a "Samsung iPad" and you tell them Samsung only makes the Galaxy Tab, many will get offended and walk away.

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    10. Re:White Moto X by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And this could be a problem for Apple. iPod, iPad, iPhone are easy to say and remember (vs MP3 Player, tablet, smartphone), but they are beginning to become generic terms. Tim Cook is in effect saying "our commodity products are not actually distinctive enough for us to be worthy of retaining registered trademarks on them."

    11. Re:White Moto X by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mopar sucks, "Ford tough trucks for me".

    12. Re:White Moto X by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm pretty sure that Apple would LOVE this. If your brand becomes synonymous with the type of product then you're in the best possible position. I'm pretty sure google isn't sad that people "google" their searches instead of just "searching" them.

    13. Re:White Moto X by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Well I was a kid of the 1980's. There was a difference from when your parents got you a Go-Bot vs. a Transformer as a toy. As far as your parents were concerned they were the same thing. A car that turns to a robot, Being a polite child I never really gave them a fuss, as having toys even if it wasn't the ones I really wanted is better then no toys, however I still wished that I had the other brand that is more popular with the other kids.

      In many peoples mind an iPhone isn't a Apple iPhone but a little box with a big touch screen, and a button on the bottom. an iPod is just a portable MP3 Player.

      Just like Escalators, Kleenex, and Weed Eaters. The brand actually describes the product and not the manufacturer

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    14. Re:White Moto X by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most people are morons, which is why I don't work in sales.

    15. Re:White Moto X by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My Android phone has AdBlock sideloaded without requiring any hacks of any sort. Just toggle a checkbox, load it, then toggle the checkbox back.

      No iPhone will ever have that ability because Apple is too anally retentive to allow it.

      I hardly call "installing software" an esoteric thing.

    16. Re:White Moto X by thevirtualcat · · Score: 1

      ... why would they do that?

      That sounds like a really good way to lose the sale entirely. I've worked in electronics retail just enough to know that people who can't be bothered to research things like "names of products" don't want to be corrected. The sale is far more likely to happen if you make an educated guess as to what they want and let them tell you if it's not what they wanted.

    17. Re:White Moto X by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But i heard they are going to add iPoop app to 8.1 that'll really help you play games and video chat while doing your business. No need for hands just not your head for different actions, it'll make a 3D video of it in realtime and send it to facebook and whatever iChat they have.

    18. Re:White Moto X by voss · · Score: 1

      The fact that they were sold on a galaxy s3 does not mean they were deceived into thinking it was an iphone.

    19. Re:White Moto X by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Escalator is a brand? What's the generic word then?

    20. Re:White Moto X by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would say an argument against that is also valid:

      "Installing malware" isn't a feature one wants on a device, and Android really doesn't have a solid gatekeeper. iOS's main strength is that if it doesn't go through Apple, it doesn't go on the phone, which has effectively kept the device effectively 100% malware free since the original iOS 1.0 version.

      It can be argued that iOS protects the users against the dancing bunnies attack. Yes, people may get mad that Apple won't allow full access... but it keeps most people out of harm's way.

      Of course, one reason I have Android is that I like disabling some global CAs that I don't trust, and with iOS, I either take what Apple gives me or go elsewhere.

    21. Re:White Moto X by Vitriol+Angst · · Score: 1

      I suspect - and Apple would probably hate this - that to many people "iPhone" and "smartphone" mean exactly the same thing, in much the same way that all tissues are Kleenex. If you don't give enough of a damn about the differences between square touchscreens called Nexus and iPhone and Galaxy and Lumia to make a purchasing decision between them, you probably don't give enough of a damn to keep their names striaght.

      And people say that Apple suing Samsung for copying their interface and interaction for the past decade was based on just a grid of icons, if that were so, then the market would not have made "iPhone" synonymous with "smart phone."

      So they've been trying to distinguish themselves in the market and the market looks like Apple -- so let's blame Apple for that? This RIGHT HERE is why lawsuits happen.

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    22. Re:White Moto X by Vitriol+Angst · · Score: 1

      This is Best Buy -- of course they drill employees in the art of "selling away." The iPad is glued down and used to draw in the customer. There's a giant spider in back selling extended warrantees and used blood.

      "Oh, you want something LIKE an HP? Well, this SpecOps 15,000 is the same thing -- and $50 less today only!"

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    23. Re:White Moto X by Andrio · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not being able to install whatever I want on an iOS device is the reason I'll never get one, no matter what.

      I like my Android phone because it's a personal computer in my pocket. It really is! It has its own filesystem that I can navigate and move files around, I can download an apk from a trusted website and install it; I can do anything I want. Not so with an iPhone. It doesn't let you install anything you want, so it can never truly be personal computer for your pocket. It's just a smart dumbphone. The exact same thing as my old verizon flipphone that sold overpriced apps from the Verizon V-cast store. The only difference is that the iphone it's prettier and gives a far better UX, but fundamentally they are the same thing.

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    24. Re:White Moto X by Sockatume · · Score: 1

      Would've been nice if I'd kept the spelling of straight straight. Sweet deus.

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    25. Re:White Moto X by smash · · Score: 1

      You can install whatever you please on an iOS device, you just need to be a member of the developer program to do it. Yes it costs money. no, it isn't a lot.

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    26. Re:White Moto X by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm pretty sure that Apple would LOVE this. If your brand becomes synonymous with the type of product then you're in the best possible position. I'm pretty sure google isn't sad that people "google" their searches instead of just "searching" them.

      I'm pretty sure, you're wrong. You could actually lose your trademark that way - see the trademark erosion section.

    27. Re:White Moto X by SeaFox · · Score: 1

      I suspect - and Apple would probably hate this - that to many people "iPhone" and "smartphone" mean exactly the same thing, in much the same way that all tissues are Kleenex.

      No, some of them truly think they have one and not the other. I work in support and I have talked to multiple people who swear what they have is an iPad and they don't. This leads to some obvious confusion when they want me to give them directions on how to do something and the interfaces don't match. It usually isn't until I ask them if their tablet has Apple logo on the back they realize it's not an Apple iPad they are holding.

    28. Re:White Moto X by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      i'm pretty sure the iProducts are not commodified. I think everybody knows what an iphone looks like. nobody wants a samsung iphone.

    29. Re:White Moto X by aliquis · · Score: 1

      Here in Sweden some idiots don't say "suftplatta" (browsing pad) which it obviously doesn't have to be used as but which I suppose was the most common early use but rather say "padda" (toad) which of course would make little sense for one not iPad branded.

      Then again one shouldn't really bother about idiots all that much.

    30. Re: White Moto X by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Freedom isn't free.

    31. Re:White Moto X by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 1
      I think everybody knows what an iphone looks like. nobody wants a samsung iphone.

      I guess you live in the USA. Here in the UK, even long time iFans are switching to Samsung in big numbers. (Get your own stats - you would never believe mine anyway)

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    32. Re:White Moto X by tepples · · Score: 1

      ... why would they do that?

      To avoid trademark infringement. It's the same reason that people hear "Is Pepsi OK?" in restaurants.

    33. Re:White Moto X by thevirtualcat · · Score: 1

      Precisely. That's why you hear "Is Pepsi okay?"

      Or, to make a more apt comparison:

      "Can I have Pepsi Zero?"
      "Well, we have (Diet Pepsi|Coke Zero). Is that okay?"

      vs

      "Can I have Pepsi Zero?"
      "Pepsi doesn't make that. Coke does. Do you want (Coke Zero|Diet Pepsi) or not?"

    34. Re:White Moto X by tepples · · Score: 1

      "Over here we have the Apple iPad, and over here we have the Samsung Galaxy Tab. I can show you both." Better?

    35. Re:White Moto X by thevirtualcat · · Score: 1

      Yes. Much.

      If they insist on the "Samsung iPad" after that, then break out the first one. The sale is probably doomed at that point anyway.

    36. Re:White Moto X by Kalriath · · Score: 1

      And also because with some people, the response to that is "Oh, you don't have Coke? No, no Pepsi thanks. Can I get a water?"

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    37. Re:White Moto X by Kalriath · · Score: 1

      "Moving Staircase". Escalator is/was a trademark of Otis Elevator Company.

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    38. Re:White Moto X by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suspect - and Apple would probably hate this - that to many people "iPhone" and "smartphone" mean exactly the same thing, in much the same way that all tissues are Kleenex. If you don't give enough of a damn about the differences between square touchscreens called Nexus and iPhone and Galaxy and Lumia to make a purchasing decision between them, you probably don't give enough of a damn to keep their names striaght.

      And this is why they need to really crank up the power on that vibrate function.

      Women would sure as hell remember which phone brand has a really useful ring tone.

    39. Re:White Moto X by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      Escalator is a brand? What's the generic word then?

      Moving stairs/staircase. Doesn't quite have the same ring to it.

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    40. Re:White Moto X by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      That depends entirely on how well the thing meets your needs without being bashed into shape. I haven't really found anything I wanted to do on a phone that I can't do with an iPhone.

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    41. Re:White Moto X by perryizgr8 · · Score: 1

      i really didn't know this, and it surprises me!

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    42. Re:White Moto X by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      Absolutely. If it works for you than that's fine. Android works better for me so that's why I use it. If the iPhone gave me an expert mode that would give me the freedom that I enjoy in Android then I'd probably have one of those instead because I'm well aware of the advantages of the iOS ecosystem.

    43. Re:White Moto X by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sure it happens. I could ask a friend in the phone store if it's happened to them. But definitely iPod versus MP3 player got annoying, it seems to have stopped now, not sure anyone is buying them at all off my experience. BTW Dropbox has a android app amongst other things, and last I checked it was still free at entry level.
      Plus I have my nice HB app and the dozens of games from the bundles that had Android releases or are mostly android based so my ICS tablet has actual games worthy of the term without trying to buy stuff off a store that's hell to navigate, not that some of the free or ad supported software on android is bad either, but some of my paid games get a lot of play. Apple don't seem so open to the idea of sales happening except through them directly.

    44. Re:White Moto X by tedgyz · · Score: 1

      Sorry to bust the truck love, but if you want a real truck get the GMC/Chevrolet 3500.

      'nuff said.

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    45. Re:White Moto X by laird · · Score: 1

      I think you've hit on exactly the different between the two. Android feels like a computer in your pocket, where you deal with complexity (filesystem, memory management, APKs, etc.), and Apple's goal is to make it feel like a "smart phone", so they hide as much of the complexity as they can. Yes, the internals are similar (Mac OS X is pretty similar to Linux), but the difference is in how it all feels to users. And that's not just "prettier", but deeper - "does what I expect" and "it just works" and "easy to use" are important to most people, than the tech stuff that you think is "fundamental". To normal people, the tech stuff doesn't matter, except indirectly in that it enables the great user experience. So if you want a computer in your pocket, I'd agree, Android is a better fit. If you want a phone that is smart, that's Apple's goal.

  8. Sounds like Tim Cook can become even richer by kruach+aum · · Score: 5, Funny

    I hear James Randi's foundation has a million dollar prize for people who can demonstrate their telepathic prowess. Surely being able to read the minds of 130 million people would qualify?

    1. Re:Sounds like Tim Cook can become even richer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tim Cook laughs at your measly million dollars!

    2. Re:Sounds like Tim Cook can become even richer by thevirtualcat · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but he can use the same excuses that all other psychics use:

      a. "I don't need the money." - He certainly doesn't.
      b. "It isn't worth my time." - If you calculate his hourly rate, it probably isn't.
      c. "It's not about the money." - Well... okay. He can't use this one.
      d. "I don't need to prove my gift to anyone. You just have to have faith." - Faith, and AAPL stock.

    3. Re:Sounds like Tim Cook can become even richer by praxis · · Score: 1

      No one has every made a joke that exaggerated or generalized about a population. Nope, never. All statements everyone makes are always serious attempts to mind read.

    4. Re:Sounds like Tim Cook can become even richer by kruach+aum · · Score: 1

      What he implies they are mistaken about is their own desire. What he has access to is information about behavior, not information about emotion. Actually, not even that. What he has action to is information about how much of his product was sold. To go from that to the claim that they really wanted his product but didn't know it he would have to have some pretty spectacular evidence, evidence only obtainable through mind reading.

  9. In other news by UnknowingFool · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Coca- Cola says consumers have drank Pepsi by mistake in the past.

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    1. Re:In other news by charles05663 · · Score: 1

      And Apple fanboys have been drinking Kool-Aid for years :)

    2. Re:In other news by gstoddart · · Score: 0

      And you think the Microsoft fanbois haven't? I've got news for you.

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    3. Re:In other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It isn't a mistake, it is a compromise.

      Here is how it goes:
      - I would like Coca-Cola.
      - We don't have Coca-Cola, would you like Pepsi instead?
      - Fine, whatever.

    4. Re:In other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Without a doubt. Once you accept your Coke master, you can never go back to some crap from North Carolina, might as well be Yankee juice it's so far north! Hell, it's even in the name!!!

      Real southern men choose Coca~Cola.

    5. Re:In other news by Lawrence_Bird · · Score: 1

      No, it is is more like "Dr. Pepper says people drank Coke and Pepsi by mistake!" *

      * note that the dark cola market is clearly fragmented as users are not being updated from Pepsi to Coke in a timely manner.

    6. Re:In other news by vux984 · · Score: 2

      Coca- Cola says consumers have drank Pepsi by mistake in the past.

      At least that's actually true. I've ordered Coke, and been served Pepsi without being told. I don't really like Pepsi. And I generally realize its wrong after the first sip. I don't make a stink about it, but had I known they were going to serve me Pepsi, I'd have switched the order to 7-up.

      I'm sure sure lots of people order a 'Coke' and just mean 'cola' and don't care what gets brought to them.

      But I doubt anyone has ever mistakenly ordered "Pepsi" when they actually deliberately meant to get a "Coke".

    7. Re:In other news by coolsnowmen · · Score: 1

      Sure, but vendor lock-in is much less of an issue right?

    8. Re:In other news by mjwx · · Score: 1

      And you think the Microsoft fanbois haven't? I've got news for you.

      If given the choice, I'd spend eternity with Microsoft fanboys than 1 hour with Apple fanboys.

      Microsoft fanboys are the least zealous of the lot.

      I say this as someone who uses Linux, has a Nexus 5 and a Nexus 7.

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    9. Re:In other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is that possible?
      Everyone knows Coca Cola tastes like stale Pepsi.

    10. Re:In other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But I doubt anyone has ever mistakenly ordered "Pepsi" when they actually deliberately meant to get a "Coke".

      Perhaps not, but I have ordered Coke when I meant Pepsi, as I do prefer Pepsi when I have a choice. I think what is going on here is that even though "Coke" is a trademark of Coca-Cola, it has to some degree become another generic word for cola. Perhaps try ordering "Coca-cola" instead of "Coke" and see if anyone serves you Pepsi.

  10. By mistake? by redmid17 · · Score: 1

    I won't knock either. I've used both. Cook's statement is just plain incorrect.

    You don't purchase something and replace it because you bought it buy mistake. You get the replacement if you need a new phone or feel the upgrade is worth it. Maybe a few of those people walked in wanting an iPhone and walked out with an Android phone (with no interference from sales staff). That would be the only time anyone bought it "by mistake."

    1. Re:By mistake? by NewWorldDan · · Score: 1

      Oh, I've bought a few phones that were, in hindsight, mistakes. I knew what I was buying, I just didn't know it was crap. Android prior to Gingerbread was crap, and even Gingerbread was kind of iffy. Fortunately, smartphones have reached a point where even the cheap phones are pretty nice. My S3 is approaching 2 years old and I may continue to use it for another 2 years.

    2. Re:By mistake? by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 2

      And that says a bunch about the Apple Customer base than anything. I wonder how many iPhone sales are from people wanting Android and "accidentally" getting an iPhone. ;)

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    3. Re:By mistake? by doggo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And I think this is what Cook was saying. People went to buy a smartphone thinking they'd have the same apps/functions/etc as the iPhone if they bought any smartphone, then found that their Android phone didn't do/use the specific thing that all their friends on iPhones could do/use.

      To say that Tim Cook was saying people went to intentionally buy an iPhone, but accidentally bought an Android phone is disingenuous. You know what he meant. And if you don't, you have a serious English comprehension issue.

      Now, whether cellular providers' sales people fobbed Android phones off on customers who were actually looking for an iPhone is another story.

      You can imagine the scenario:

      "I'd like an iPhone."
      "That's $399, then."
      "What?! That's a lot!"
      "Well, we have these (Android) phones, and they're only $39.95."
      "Is that an iPhone?"
      "No, but it does all the same things."
      "Oh. And only $39.95? Okay. I'll take it."

      A few months later they've discovered that iPhone only app that all their friends rave about doesn't run on Android. Oops.

    4. Re:By mistake? by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      His statement is not incorrect, from Cook's perspective, it WAS a mistake, even if it was what the buyer intended.

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    5. Re:By mistake? by iapetus · · Score: 2

      It's disgusting that things like that happen. When I go to the Apple store, they find out what I intend to use my device for and then recommend an Android, iPhone, Windows phone device based on what's best for me.

      Right?

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    6. Re:By mistake? by redmid17 · · Score: 1

      To say that Tim Cook was saying people went to intentionally buy an iPhone, but accidentally bought an Android phone is disingenuous. You know what he meant. And if you don't, you have a serious English comprehension issue. I knew what he meant. He used the absolute wrong words to convey it. To not understand that, you have a serious English comprehension issue.

    7. Re:By mistake? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The carrier stores will generally carry a variety of handsets and their staff should be less biased towards a particular brand.

      Asking the clerk at a Verizon store what phone to get is very different from asking the clerk at an Apple store.

    8. Re:By mistake? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And then they go back to an iPhone, realize it can't do half the things that their old Droid could, and realize that they spent $350 on a fancy paperweight. And even better, when they go back to Droid, they suddenly don't receive texts anymore because lol Apple.

    9. Re:By mistake? by jo_ham · · Score: 1

      It wasn't a statement, it was a very flippant joke. His tongue was so far into his cheek that he practically had a speech impediment.

      Have you actually seen the video?

      He was clearly not serious, and the keynote is the one time that Apple "lets go" a bit and responds to the flak it faces all the time, and even then it's pretty softball stuff.

      They had a couple of digs at the concept that Apple users are all sheep, and a quick one about malware, and one about the fact that only a minority of Android users are on the latest version.

      The reaction of the press and Android fans seems to have been to take everything Tim Cook said as if he was deadly serious. I'd say "they missed the joke" but it seems like they're wilfully missing it in order to bash Apple some more, so I guess it's a day with a Y in it.

    10. Re:By mistake? by perryizgr8 · · Score: 1

      People went to buy a smartphone thinking they'd have the same apps/functions/etc as the iPhone if they bought any smartphone, then found that their Android phone didn't do/use the specific thing that all their friends on iPhones could do/use.

      highly unlikely that you can find an android phone that does not at the least do something an iphone can. the other way round is likely, but not this.

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    11. Re:By mistake? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not this little black cat. My opinion of Apple products tends to involve chemical compounds that don't like surprises.

  11. Whoosh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    as it flies over the poster's head.

    1. Re:Whoosh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Exactly. This was clearly a joke if you watch the keynote. And it landed pretty well too.

    2. Re:Whoosh by anyaristow · · Score: 2

      Watch starting at 45:00:

      http://www.apple.com/apple-eve...

      Clearly a joke.

      Exactly. This was clearly a joke if you watch the keynote. And it landed pretty well too.

    3. Re:Whoosh by immaterial · · Score: 1

      Wait... Does this mean the next OS X isn't going to be called Oxnard? But I was so looking forward to the smell of manure every time I boot up...

    4. Re:Whoosh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would but:

      Streaming video requires Safari 4 or later on OS X v10.6 or later; Safari on iOS 4.2 or later; or QuickTime 7 on Windows. Streaming via Apple TV requires second- or third-generation Apple TV with software 5.0.2 or later.

      It seems I am unable to watch it on my Linux netbook. What's wrong with HTML5 video exactly? Even if it was just as a fallback for people who don't have Quicktime. That's another Apple fail in my book.

    5. Re:Whoosh by perryizgr8 · · Score: 1

      even flash is better than quicktime.

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  12. Can I buy a punctuation (or an editor)? by Rob+the+Bold · · Score: 1

    "Apple CEO Tim Cook during his keynote said that around 130 million customers have purchased their first Apple device in the last twelve months states, "Many of these customers were switchers from Android," he said.

    Perhaps this means:

    Apple CEO Tim Cook, during his keynote, said that around 130 million customers have purchased their first Apple device in the last twelve months. 'Many of these customers were switchers from Android,' he said.

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    1. Re:Can I buy a punctuation (or an editor)? by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      If the sentence was, "Apple CEO Tim Cook said during his keynote that...," would you still use commas? If not, why should we need them here?

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    2. Re:Can I buy a punctuation (or an editor)? by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Funny

      Because, the, commas, help us, to, time the sentence, to, sound just like, William, Shatner. ;-)

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    3. Re:Can I buy a punctuation (or an editor)? by Rob+the+Bold · · Score: 1

      If the sentence was, "Apple CEO Tim Cook said during his keynote that...," would you still use commas? If not, why should we need them here?

      Okay, you could reorder the sentence instead of setting off the prepositional phrase with commas. Which way you do it is a matter of taste, I suppose. But more importantly, I probably should have elided the beginning of the sentence entirely to not distract from the real parsing problem in the direct quote at the end. My bad.

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    4. Re:Can I buy a punctuation (or an editor)? by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      Oh. Okay, I missed that.

      We could also go with "Apple CEO Tim Cook, who during his keynote said that around 130 million customers have purchased their first Apple device in the last twelve months, states, 'Many of these customers were switchers from Android.'" I sometimes construct sentences like that that some people would call run-on, though.

      The mere fact that a sentence is long does not make it a run-on sentence; sentences are run-ons only when they contain more than one independent clause.

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  13. Anecdotal but... by west · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I've listened in as a salesman told a woman that the Samsung was essentially an iPhone" to a woman who came in asking about it. He wasn't pleased when I chimed in that the two weren't quite the same. (I can guess which pays the bigger commission...)

    I'm certain he could argue that the woman was using "iPhone" to mean "Smartphone" and he was pointing out that the two Smartphone OSes both have roughly the same feature set. But I'd bet that Tim Cook would feel that but for my intervention, she would have bought an Android "by mistake".

    1. Re:Anecdotal but... by legojenn · · Score: 1

      also anecdotal

      I had a 3GS that I got used. Last year, Rogers in Quebec had a deal with 5G of data, unlimited texting, unlimited local calling and domestic long distance for $70. I got an iPhone 5 on contract. What the hell? Anyhow, the clerk started pushing me towards Samsungs, but once he found out I already had an iPhone, stopped pushing the Nexus.

      He then told me that Rogers pushes the Android phones harder because there is more profit in it for them.

      Whether it's true or not, I can't say, but Tim Cook might be right in saying that people bought something that they were manipulated into. However, that's business and I am sure that there are people who are walking around with expensive Apple products that they don't need or planned to by either.

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    2. Re:Anecdotal but... by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      "I-phone" is simply a term for a lot of less educated consumers. If she didn't know the difference to start with, maybe the salesman was taking the right approach to explain the other options. Did your comment help or just confuse?

    3. Re:Anecdotal but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know, from my time at best buy, if I had to guess which payed the bigger commission, I'd go with the iphone.

      Is it maybe possible that the sales guy had been hearing what she wanted, she came in "wanting an iphone" but based on her needs and wants thought she might be happier with something else? I know, shocker that sometimes people don't actually know what they want. Maybe even she was using iphone as a generic for smartphone much as people refer to mp3 players as ipods. I know it's rare, but occasionally sales guys do try to lead you to a product that best suits you. Those are called the ones that are good at their job.

    4. Re:Anecdotal but... by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      He then told me that Rogers pushes the Android phones harder because there is more profit in it for them.

      Whether it's true or not, I can't say

      I think you can safely assume that Rogers will push anything which makes them more profit.

      Because, Rogers is ran by assholes. :-P

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    5. Re:Anecdotal but... by erp_consultant · · Score: 1

      Her first mistake was walking into a store with no idea of what phone she wanted. Do a little research first or at least talk to one of your "geek" friends and ask them for an honest opinion.

      Her second mistake was taking the advice of a salesman. They are going to steer you towards whatever phone pays them the best commission. That's their job - to move product and to make money. You can't just walk in and expect a salesperson to give you honest advice. Maybe a few of them actually will but I wouldn't bet on it because salesmen are, well, pricks.

    6. Re:Anecdotal but... by Primate+Pete · · Score: 1

      Most people don't have geek friends for the simple reason that most real geeks don't have non-geek friends. Geeks are not a public utility.

    7. Re:Anecdotal but... by west · · Score: 1

      Did your comment help or just confuse?

      I don't know.

      The salesman did start giving a more substantial explanation of the two operating systems (although I really dislike the fact that it's easy to pirate apps on Android used as a selling point), and once he pointed out the network effects ("if your friends all have iPhones", etc.), then I figured that was all the information she needed to make an informed decision and left.

    8. Re:Anecdotal but... by robbyb20 · · Score: 1

      Not mention those people that ARE the geek friend, are usually annoyed with these questions. ;)

  14. Oh, that's so rich by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "... and a better life"

    Yeah, exactly. Thanks Apple for making lives around the world better.

    1. Re:Oh, that's so rich by TangoMargarine · · Score: 2

      Are all Apple public statements this arrogant? They're running those horrid (and long) commercials right now showing people using iDevices in all kinds of contrived circumstances, too.

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    2. Re:Oh, that's so rich by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      Are all Apple public statements this arrogant?

      Tell me how this differs from public statements made by Microsoft, Samsung, Google, Oracle or any other company?

      The fact it, it isn't.

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    3. Re:Oh, that's so rich by praxis · · Score: 1

      Are all Apple public statements this arrogant? They're running those horrid (and long) commercials right now showing people using iDevices in all kinds of contrived circumstances, too.

      No. Many jokes if later presented as factual opinions do, though.

    4. Re:Oh, that's so rich by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      That you can't fix the whole world in one shot is not a reason to not try to fix anything.

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    5. Re:Oh, that's so rich by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tell me how this differs from public statements made by Microsoft, Samsung, Google, Oracle or any other company?

      The actual exact figure is by a Smug Factor Rating (SfR) of 3.1326 x 10^18

    6. Re:Oh, that's so rich by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You forgot the Elitism Coefficient (eC) of 35.2...

    7. Re:Oh, that's so rich by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Are all Apple public statements this arrogant?

      Tell me how this differs from public statements made by Microsoft, Samsung, Google, Oracle or any other company?

      Microsoft: Windows 8 is the best operating system released to date.
      Google: The Nexus 5 is the most advanced smartphone on the market today.
      Samsung: The Galaxy S continues to grow by leaps and bounds with the latest release, the S5.
      Apple: Andoid users bought the phones by mistake.

      Sorry, but you're wrong. Most companies talk up their own products as opposed to trying to drag down the competition. However Apple needs to do this in order to deflect from the fact that Android eclipsed IOS in features, functionality and ease of use years ago.

      The only exception would be Oracle, ironically enough run by Steve Job's best mate. However I've still never seen a press release telling me that people buy MS SQL by mistake. Sure there's plenty of white papers explaining why Oracle is better than MS SQL, but none trying to insult my intelligence.

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    8. Re:Oh, that's so rich by jo_ham · · Score: 1

      Are all Apple public statements this arrogant? They're running those horrid (and long) commercials right now showing people using iDevices in all kinds of contrived circumstances, too.

      It was a joke. It was really obviously not serious.

      The frothing over this is hilarious.

  15. Riiighhhttt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One look at the price and there is no way you mistake them..

    Apple... meh..

  16. Trollbait, huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    iPhone's been available in china a long time.

    Just not on the 'verizon' version of the carrier.

    Do we need a new apple story every day, just to troll?

  17. Some may switch back again.... by Dega704 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Because using an iPhone after being used to Android makes me want to chuck it against the wall.

    1. Re:Some may switch back again.... by DocSavage64109 · · Score: 1

      Ha. I get to help various employees set up their google apps email on their phones where I work. Guess which phone has just one email program and is easy to add an account for. I don't even understand why android needs two or three different email apps.

    2. Re:Some may switch back again.... by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      Funny, I have the same urge when using an Android phone. Truth is: both take some getting used to after switching. It appears that casual (non techy) users find the iPhone slightly easier to get to grips with, while techy users prefer the flexibility of the Android (which for casual users may actually be a downside). But that's just anecdotal, and it's not that big a differentiator in any case; the main decision criteria appear to be price and appearance (of the device, not the OS).

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    3. Re:Some may switch back again.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a Galaxy SII & my wife has a 4s so they're both slightly older models. I'd say hers is generally a nicer experience to use; mine often lags badly when waking up or coming off charge. But neither one is a bad choice really, and the newer iphones and Androids are even better. I am still impressed with what you can do with these things.

    4. Re:Some may switch back again.... by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Android has one default email app; Email. It supports POP3, IMAP, and Exchange email accounts, and is managed from the Acccounts area in the Android Settings menu. There is also an app for Gmail, but this integrates with Hangouts, G+, Voice Search, and all of the Google services. It's there because it's a Google service, and they are pushing their own product just like any other company does.

      Managing accounts on Android is just as easy as on an iPhone; It's exactly the same. It's done this way so permissions to account details can be strictly enforced, meaning there aren't account details lying randomly around the user-accessible storage, ripe for any app with "Read storage" permission to steal.

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    5. Re:Some may switch back again.... by DocSavage64109 · · Score: 1

      I've been using the accounts icon under settings to add these gmail accounts (at least for the more recent android phones. Older phones were different), and it seems to add them to the Gmail app. But whatever -- as long as the user is happy, I'm good.

    6. Re:Some may switch back again.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because using an iPhone after being used to Android makes me want to chuck it against the wall.

      Funny, I have the same urge when using an Android phone. Truth is: both take some getting used to after switching. It appears that casual (non techy) users find the iPhone slightly easier to get to grips with, while techy users prefer the flexibility of the Android (which for casual users may actually be a downside). But that's just anecdotal, and it's not that big a differentiator in any case; the main decision criteria appear to be price and appearance (of the device, not the OS).

      The logic here is simple, anything he has to put an effort into learning because it does not work exactly like what he's used to must be a pile of crap. I get the same reaction from Windows users and Windows Server admins who have been saddled with Linux. KDE must be crap because it doesn't work exactly like Windows XP or Win 7. The command-line must be crap because it's not a point and click interface like the Windows Server GUI Management tools. Of course they're thankfully not all like that in fact most just try to figure the new environment out and if you help them out they get the hang of it quickly enough but once in a while you always get that one opinionated git.

    7. Re:Some may switch back again.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Android" doesn't - at least not in the vanilla version I have on the Nexus 5. I have Gmail and that is all. If you mean the "Android" that is pushed out with various skins from different manufacturers then sure, they come with a ton of extra crap that duplicates functionality and that's often before the carriers install an extra bunch of stuff over the top of that.

    8. Re:Some may switch back again.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For someone who is helping their colleagues set up their phone, you seem to have very little understanding of what you're actually doing.

      Android allows apps to plug into the accounts system settings so users have a centralized place from which to manage their accounts.
      Setting up the Google account configures the GMail app because tha entry has been created by the app, just like any other app is able to do.
      If you uninstall or disable all Google apps, the Google entry in the accounts screen will disappear.

    9. Re:Some may switch back again.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One really frustrating thing about the Android Email app is it doesn't support IDLE IMAP support... I install K9-Mail which does the job nicely !

    10. Re:Some may switch back again.... by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      Because using an iPhone after being used to Android makes me want to chuck it against the wall.

      Sure. But the trend of more people switching from Android towards iOS than the other way has been going on for years.

      --
      Of course news about a fake are Fake News.
    11. Re:Some may switch back again.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      An andriod will do whatever you need it to do...if you aren't happy with the Google presence you can root the phone and say goodbye to Google...try that with your Iphone.

  18. Damn man! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...and here I thought that the play store was selling iphones and ipads and not nexii....

  19. No smartphones for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Post Snowden, I have zero interest in using a smartphone with all my personal data integrated into one device; I use a nice simple candy bar phone instead.

    I have a small Android tablet which I use for music and web browsing - and it remains switched off when not in use.

    In other words, I practice the Battlestar Galactica approach to security and keep my devices separate. :-)

    1. Re:No smartphones for me by tepples · · Score: 1

      Does this "small Android tablet" have cellular data service?

    2. Re:No smartphones for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, via a Wifi based mobile broadband Mifi AP, which I bought for a variety of tasks.

      The Wifi hardware on the tablet and the Mifi AP are only enabled when I need external communications and are kept disabled at all other times. No sensitive data is kept on the tablet and firewalls are enabled on the Mifi AP.

  20. Tim: Bad Math, or Duplicity? by Bob9113 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Apple CEO Tim Cook during his keynote said that around 130 million customers have purchased their first Apple device in the last twelve months states, "Many of these customers were switchers from Android,"

    So, tell me, Tim, are you bad at math, or duplicitous? It is also true that many first time users of Android, nowadays, are switchers from iPhone. How can I know that without having any figures at hand? Simple: Said slightly differently: Many people who buy a smartphone today are on their second or later smartphone, and there are only two major smartphone OSs. If it is their first smartphone with OS A, it must be either their first smartphone, or they had a Windows phone (not many of those out there), or they switched from OS B. Simple math means many who use OS A for the first time switched from OS B.

    So, Tim, are you saying neither you nor anyone who went over your speech could figure that math out, or are you saying you expect your audience won't catch it, and you'd try to put one over on them? Are you bad at math, or are you a used car salesman?

    1. Re:Tim: Bad Math, or Duplicity? by jtroy92 · · Score: 0

      He didn't make a math error, and he wasn't being duplicitous. What you're missing is the context. It was a joke. Go watch the comment and see for yourself.

  21. Apple proves once again... by kick6 · · Score: 1

    That they have, hands down, the best marketing people in the biz at their disposal. Only apple could repackage a stale turd, sell it as a "better life experience," while denigrating the competition. It's genius if you can pick up on it. There's, obviously, plenty of dumbshits who can't.

    1. Re:Apple proves once again... by Geste · · Score: 1

      ....Only apple could repackage a stale turd, sell it as a "better life experience," ....

      I wouldn't argue your point, but he didn't merely promise "a better life experience", rather:

      "They had bought an Android phone by mistake, and then had sought a better experience and a better life."

      Small difference, but Tim looks to be promising a flat-out better life. Amazing. All from a little phone. Oh, thank-you Tim! Your are THE BEST!"

    2. Re:Apple proves once again... by praxis · · Score: 1

      They also understand the use-case of the majority: wanting a device that works for them without needing in-depth knowledge of the underlying software and hardware. That's a large part of their success. Many technologists do have in-depth knowledge and find their products too limiting but many technologists then assume the entire market is like themselves when its not.

    3. Re:Apple proves once again... by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

      Once you waste time rooting it and digging through a zillion config screens android is awesome. That's not asking much.

  22. I don't see amazon app store or sideloading on app by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    I don't see amazon app store or sideloading on apple. Also Apple Iphone starts at $650 unlocked.

  23. they tricked me! by Thud457 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Alibaba lied when they sold me my ePhone!

    --

    the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff

    1. Re:they tricked me! by jeffmeden · · Score: 3, Funny

      Alibaba lied when they sold me my ePhone!

      You clearly picked the wrong one. Follow the link for the ayePhone or if you want dual sim (and maritime compatible) version click on ayeayePhone. See, user error.

    2. Re:they tricked me! by TangoMargarine · · Score: 2

      Hold still while we install your eyePhone.

      *rams phone into eye*

      Fry: AAAIIEEEE!--ooh, this is pretty nice.

      --
      Unity? Screw that: XFCE. Slashdot Beta? Screw that: SoylentNews. Australis? Screw that: Pale Moon. UX developers DIAF
    3. Re:they tricked me! by larpon · · Score: 1

      Tim Crook sold you this!

    4. Re: they tricked me! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shut up and take my money!!!

    5. Re: they tricked me! by thorist · · Score: 1

      Worth noting that if you get the aye-aye phone, there's no need to get a stylus.

    6. Re:they tricked me! by SpzToid · · Score: 1

      But you can root those devices too, and then you will be able to impress all of the cool kids plus all your maties too with your cool aaarrrggghhhPhone (rPhone trademark pending, but we're talkin' pirates after all).

      --
      You can't be ahead of the curve, if you're stuck in a loop.
  24. Count me in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I was a devoted Android user for the longest time. The problem with the Android ecosystem is lousy devices and poor end-to-end integration from the device through to the OS and UI. I bought the first Motorola Droid. It was great. With each successive revision, quality went downhill. When I had the chance to work on the iPhone at work, I realized what a higher quality product the iPhone was. It was a tough decision for me because I love the openness of the Android ecosystem. On the other hand, the iPhone is a better designed, rock-solid product, running on a more stable operating system. I was sold. As a developer, I hate Apple's overarching control and authoritarianism over its ecosystem. As a user, I love it because apps generally are prevented from going crazy and taking over my battery usage. And don't tell me about the fact that I can root my Android phone and solve it myself. I've done that. It's not as effective.

    1. Re:Count me in by Iniamyen · · Score: 1

      Funny, my experience with the iPhone (I had a 4S) was the exact opposite of {better-designed, rock-solid product, more stable OS}.

      The beat-to-death antenna issue
      A lock button that stopped working
      WiFi that would intermittently get disabled and eventually stopped working altogether
      Generally buggier and slower performance after each update to iOS.

      But if you're having the exact opposite experience that I had, more power to ya!

    2. Re:Count me in by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

      My 4S works just fine. I assume your problem isn't isn't it. It's on the other side of the screen.

    3. Re:Count me in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So the hardware inside the device (other side of the screen)?

    4. Re:Count me in by Iniamyen · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I know my problem isn't isn't it. Meaning my problem is it.

    5. Re:Count me in by robbyb20 · · Score: 1

      Ha! If that wasnt a double negative I dont know what is.

      That aside - Ive been using iPhones since 3g. Have had a 3g, 3Gs(after my 3G was stollen), 4S and now a 5S. I have never had any hardware issues with any phone, internal or external. Its not to say you couldnt have had any, but out of 4 iPhones I've owned(all upgraded because of want), theyve had a pretty good track record. Too bad you had a bum unit and didnt get a chance to really appreciate the device. Im sure it was frustrating.

  25. Apple such a shame by Pewpdaddy · · Score: 1

    Listen people like what they like, and thats fine. Regardless the idea that Android users are buying these devices on accident is absurd at best. I accidentally bought a Note 3 for $300?? So now not only are Apple users unable to make their own decisions(see app store farce), but now they can't even buy the correct device? Not sure I'd like that type of customer. I've also noticed that most Apple users, at least the ones in my family tend to blame the issues with their handsets on other devices...

    1. Re:Apple such a shame by praxis · · Score: 1

      If it hasn't been made clear, it was a joke. A bad one, but a joke nonetheless.

    2. Re:Apple such a shame by EvilIdler · · Score: 1

      Anyone who watched Tim would have known, but this "article" was clearly posted by somebody who heard it from somebody talking to somebody else about it. I tagged it "whoosh".

    3. Re:Apple such a shame by doccus · · Score: 1

      Er... It was posted by Timothy..not a noob..

  26. "A Better Life" by chinton · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Really... This phone or that phone will give you "a better life"?!? You need to get a life before you can have a better one.

    1. Re:"A Better Life" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Back in the day when I parked my surf board on my convertible top, it was a pretty good adventure searching for a phone booth to call my sweetie to let her know "surf's up!"

    2. Re:"A Better Life" by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Get a life? How? Does Think Geek sell them?

      --
      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    3. Re:"A better life" by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      Really have we sunk this low?

      Cough. Seen a Samsung ad lately?

      --
      Of course news about a fake are Fake News.
    4. Re:"A Better Life" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My phone gives me a better life. WHOO HOO.. I do everything.. Control my car, TV, house, store schedules, get reminders!! EVERYTHING IS AWESOME!!!

  27. I just switched myself by sixsixtysix · · Score: 0

    I just switched myself, but it was to a Galaxy S5 from an Iphone 4S. I couldn't be happier. How rad is it to download a zip file, unzip it, and view the contents, all from a phone? Until Apple can do this, and the many other things they won't allow, they can eat a bag of dicks.

    --
    ...
    1. Re:I just switched myself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whilst not native, it's definitely possible on iOS. An alternative browser like iCab Mobile that allows file downloads and a zip file tool (there's plenty) will handle it.

    2. Re:I just switched myself by Plammox · · Score: 1

      How pathetic is it to realize that you could have done the exact same thing on the old phone.

    3. Re:I just switched myself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just like you had to install WinZIP on XP, you have to install a ZIP app on your iPhone. No big deal.

    4. Re:I just switched myself by sixsixtysix · · Score: 1

      I guess I'm wrong, but seriously, all of this should be native in 2014, even XP could open them natively.
      Do these additional apps also let you put the content into the correct folders for frequent access (in my case, an zipped mp3 album)? Of course there's still the other stuff that Apple won't allow you to do, and having to jailbreak is completely ridiculous.

      --
      ...
  28. Bad Lip Reading - Everybody Poops by tepples · · Score: 1

    You can play Angry Birds while you poop with either equally effectively.

    Silly. I thought you knew that everybody poops, and if they don't they're an Android and should be destroyed.

  29. OMG! OMG! OMG! by iggymanz · · Score: 3, Funny

    I took the gel case off my Motorola Defy and IT DOESN'T HAVE AN APPLE LOGO ON THE BACK!! what do I do!? what do I do!?

    1. Re:OMG! OMG! OMG! by elvum · · Score: 1

      Buy any Apple device - they usually come with some free Apple logo stickers.

    2. Re:OMG! OMG! OMG! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    3. Re:OMG! OMG! OMG! by kuhnto · · Score: 1

      Quick! To the nearest Things Remembered!

      --
      "A 'person' is smart. 'People' are dumb, panicky animals and you know that."
  30. Funny enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I did switch to an iPhone after two Android phones. I also have a serious case of Samsung hatred after that Android experience.
    Note that I make a living as an Android developer ;)

    1. Re:Funny enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get a Moto G or Moto X. Samsung's bloatware UI top layer is an expensive way to misuse CPU cycles and Amperes. Seriously, when Samsung stated they couldn't make KitKat work on the galaxy SII because they weren't able to streamline that piece of turd of TouchWiz to work as they expected in that phone... Even when KitKat is much better at resource usage on lower end (or older) terminals... Oh my...

    2. Re:Funny enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe when my current iPhone breaks. That looks like it will take a while. 2 years and a half and it's still working.

  31. Wanted iPhone, got Android because it's cheaper? by swb · · Score: 1

    I wonder how many wanted an iPhone but ended up buying an Android because it's cheaper?

    I've noticed that a lot of people want X (often for specific reasons) but decide to buy Y because it's cheaper, even thought it doesn't meet their criteria like X does and then are disappointed because it doesn't do what they want.

    Maybe I'm just bad with my money, but it seems like there's a lot of people out there for whom the "deal" is at least as important as the functionality/thing they are buying, yet often they make the "deal" the priority and end up with an unsatisfying purchase that seems to cost them more money than just spending what they needed to get the right thing the first time.

    I think there's some kind of expression about the unhappiness with poor quality lingering long after the joy of a good deal.

  32. Novelty Factor by fermion · · Score: 1
    Is certainly why many went to Android. While I do know a few android power users, most got an Android because the did not need most of the features of a smart phone. The Android was a cheaper option. Or they were not going to have multiple devices, and the larger screen was made the phone a better compromise. This is the mistake Apple made, I think. Assuming people just wanted a cheaper phone, when what people wanted was a phone that was better at browsing the web.

    When I bought a TV I bought the cheapest TV I could with a big screen. I know that for most consumers, this is what they are looking at for a phone. Anyone can go down to the corner kiosk and get a phone for $100 and $50 a month, much cheaper than Apple.

    What is interesting is that Apple is extraordinarily expensive but still has almost 20% of global market share. Samsung which tends to have more expensive phones, makes up the other 30%+. So half the market is samsung and Apple, not IOS on Android.

    So a lot of world consumers are spending real money on phones. It will be whichever has the current novelty factor that they will buy. If you do not buy MS, there is no lockin.

    --
    "She's a scientist and a lesbian. She's not going to let it slide." Orphan Black
    1. Re:Novelty Factor by grasshoppa · · Score: 1

      Is certainly why many went to Android. While I do know a few android power users, most got an Android because the did not need most of the features of a smart phone.

      I'm curious; what can iphone do that android can't?

      --
      Mod me down with all of your hatred and your journey towards the dark side will be complete!
  33. Can't trust salesmen. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Salesmen don't know jack. They're just in it for the money.

    There are plenty of reasons I'd take an Android over an iPhone. In fact, I'll probably buy an Android for my next phone. Androids can be cheaper (salesmen will push the most expensive of course). Files can be moved to and from Android devices freely without the need for an application like iTunes (which won't even allow mp3s to be moved off of them -- I needed to use a File Manager App and VLC to accomplish that). SoundAbout can be used to pipe audio to different devices (HDMI, headphones, etc.). Most come with microSD slots to expand storage. Torrents and emulators run on Android no problem.

    Really, I don't understand why people are so cell phone obsessed. Cell phones are tools. They either do what you want them to, or they don't. Someone game me the iPhone I have now. It's good enough for making calls and listening to music, but I wouldn't call it the greatest thing ever made.

  34. I guess no one watched the presentation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This was CLEARLY made as a joke. Jesus christ, people.

  35. "a better life?" by bravecanadian · · Score: 1

    Really? I don't know what to say about that..

    1. Re:"a better life?" by jo_ham · · Score: 1

      Really? I don't know what to say about that..

      That you didn't get the joke?

      You should probably watch the section of the video.

      It's being presented as a serious statement of fact, but it was an extremely flippant and obvious joke.

      Still, it serves as a great way to enrage the apple haters though.

  36. Coke and Pepsi by tepples · · Score: 1

    But it could have been reworded without the trademark infringement: "An iPhone is a smartphone, and a Galaxy is a smartphone. They both do pretty much the same things: talk, text, web, email, calendar, Facebook, games... It's like the difference between Coke and Pepsi. They're both fizzy drinks, just a little different."

  37. Oh what a surprise... by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1
    The Apple CEO during the keynote of the Apple developers conference states that people have switched from Android to iOS.

    .
    Just what did anyone expect him to say? That Apple is losing marketshare to Android?

    1. Re:Oh what a surprise... by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      "What is truth?" -Pontius Pilate

      (in all seriousness, I have no idea how they're doing comparatively)

      --
      Unity? Screw that: XFCE. Slashdot Beta? Screw that: SoylentNews. Australis? Screw that: Pale Moon. UX developers DIAF
    2. Re:Oh what a surprise... by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      The Apple CEO during the keynote of the Apple developers conference states that people have switched from Android to iOS.

      . Just what did anyone expect him to say? That Apple is losing marketshare to Android?

      That's because most people who buy their first smartphone go for a cheap Android - but when they go for their second, many switch to iOS. Fact is, Apple's marketshare for mobile phones is still climbing.

      --
      Of course news about a fake are Fake News.
  38. OP *did* watch the video, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    He said it with a chuckle, tongue-in-cheek and the audience took it that way. Sheesh.

  39. Steve Jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    also became Apple CEO by mistake, explains Tim Cook privately, don't quote me on this though.

  40. the low sales rag. by nimbius · · Score: 1

    its not because our product is stagnant and overpriced, its because you're too stupid and didnt buy it. but dont worry, we told you about being stupid so now you can switch.

    --
    Good people go to bed earlier.
  41. Define "major" by tepples · · Score: 1

    there are only two major smartphone OSs. [...] Windows phone (not many of those out there)

    Where are you drawing the line for "major" and "not many of those"? According to three-week-old data by Canalys and ABI Research, Windows Phone trails iOS by about the same ratio by which iOS trails Android. But otherwise, I see your point that there are enough people whose previous smartphone run Android that switchers from Android would make up a large portion of iPhone and Lumia buyers.

  42. Don't be stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Come on, don't be stupid just because it's the CEO of Apple and you're an anti-Apple fanboy.

    The pronunciation made it very clear that it was meant as a joke and not to be taken literally.

  43. On the other hand by MAXOMENOS · · Score: 0

    If you're a Manager and you have an Android, the other Managers will laugh and you, or at least not take you seriously.

    Q: Where'd you hear that crap?

    A: A well-respected management consultant, who otherwise knew what he was doing.

    1. Re:On the other hand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obviously a " We are all individuals. I'm not moment" would the same manage buy a Harley Davidson due to the 'free individual marketing' crap?

    2. Re:On the other hand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well if you're a "techie" and you have an iPhone, you're going to get laughed at by the real techies.

    3. Re:On the other hand by master_kaos · · Score: 0

      Hah funny you mention that. All the techies around here thought the same thing and bought android (myself included) but after a couple months realized how shitty it is with lack of apps, and stability and 8/10 of us switched to iPhone with no regrets (mind you this was back in the 2.x era, I am sure it is a lot better now.

      Now don't get me wrong , there are some things I miss about android such as widgets, swype keyboard which both features are coming to ios8. The one app I would LOVE on ios is something like Tasker but that will never happen. So yes, some cons, but overall the pros of iOS far outweights android (from what I remember of 2.x)

    4. Re:On the other hand by motorhead · · Score: 0

      That's probably true. All the real techies have Apple Speak-and-Spells their Mom bought them. It is my experience that the MAC users are the least knowledgeable users and when something goes wrong they're some stuck ducks.

      --
      Employee Of the Month - Cyberdyne Systems Corporation - September 1997
    5. Re: On the other hand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go to a high level meet up for experienced developers.

      I love my apple, and lots of other admins do too.

    6. Re:On the other hand by BasilBrush · · Score: 1, Funny

      It is my experience that the MAC users are the least knowledgeable users

      A MAC is a hardware identifier number for networking. Perhaps you meant Mac - short for Macintosh.

      It's my experience that people who don't get simple capitalisation of technical terms right are not very knowledgeable.

    7. Re:On the other hand by khellendros1984 · · Score: 1

      For the AC's post, there's a good group of my software engineer coworkers that have Apple devices, and they're happy with them. A lot of us have Android devices, and we can say the same. I don't see a lot of ridicule going either direction.

      I had an iPod Touch around 2.x/3.x, along with a feature phone (so the iPod was my only "smart device"). The interface was nice, and the experience was polished. It was a great tool. In 2010, I bought an Android phone. It wasn't nearly as polished, but it was an OK tool, and there were a lot of things that while not strictly useful made it a great toy. For me, the combination of good tool + great toy far outweighed the benefits I was getting from my iOS device, but I can definitely understand why that would be an unacceptable trade-off for someone else. In the last 4 years, I think Android's polish has gone up. While I know that I could be mostly satisfied with an Apple device, I don't see any reason to move from where I am.

      --
      It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
    8. Re:On the other hand by csnydermvpsoft · · Score: 1

      I just upgraded from a shitty Android 2.3 device to a Nexus 5 running 4.3. The difference was night and day. Android 4.x is really an impressive OS.

    9. Re:On the other hand by motorhead · · Score: 0

      Eh whatever, Sport,

      Jobs is dead,
      The cult is over,
      You're free to leave

      --
      Employee Of the Month - Cyberdyne Systems Corporation - September 1997
  44. Contrived? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Which ones are "contrived"?

    1. Re:Contrived? by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      This was the one I was thinking of.

      A lot of them only make sense if they assume you already have an iPhone, and in no way justify buying a new one for however many hundreds of dollars those run these days.

      1. Not even sure what that wrist-mounted glowy app thing is about...some sort of sexified musical instrument?
      2. A metronome, you can get for like 10 bucks at any music store.
      3. I'm assuming the mic stand one is some sort of lyric display app? Just print the damn thing.
      4. Using it as a video game controller? Fuck no.
      5. Kids taking a video -- any smartphone these days can do that, I'm sure. Or even cheapo digital cameras.
      6. Music display for marching band -- just use your freakin' sheet music! Totally unnecessary. I should know; I did band. Not to mention it's probably a hell of a lot easier to flip physical pages of music when you have 2 whole fast-time measures of rest than desperately hope that your swipe registers correctly on the first try.
      7. And then there's the different bits where people are just pointing it at random stuff. Taking pictures? Big whoop.

      Maybe if I already had an iPhone for some reason and these apps were all less than $5 each I'd think about it. But just the fact that these are all probably paid apps seems to undermine the entire point, as the conventional option would probably be barely more expensive. And if you have an iPhone, you don't give a fuck about money anyway, right?

      --
      Unity? Screw that: XFCE. Slashdot Beta? Screw that: SoylentNews. Australis? Screw that: Pale Moon. UX developers DIAF
  45. It was a joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In case you didn't watch, they're missing some important punctuation there. It was tongue in cheek... targeted at the very Apple-friendly audience. Chill

    1. Re:It was a joke by anyaristow · · Score: 1

      I'll lend two more points of visibility to this. The humor may not be apparent in the transcript. Watch the video, starting at 45:00:

      http://www.apple.com/apple-eve...

      In case you didn't watch, they're missing some important punctuation there. It was tongue in cheek... targeted at the very Apple-friendly audience. Chill

  46. Re:I don't see amazon app store or sideloading on by tepples · · Score: 1

    Of course there's sideloading on an iPhone. You just have to buy a Mac and a $99 per year developer license.

  47. I wouldn't read too much into Cook's comments... by erp_consultant · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Apple and Google are now clearly rivals. Just like Samsung and Apple are rivals. So every chance they get they will take a poke at the opposition. Frankly, I think it's good to see a little fire in Tim Cook's belly. If Apple expects to continue to do well in the smartphone arena they are going to have to fight for it. It's a zero sum game - people will either buy an iPhone or something else, but rarely both of them. And once people get used to a particular way of doing things it's hard to get them to change.

    So the battle lines are pretty clearly drawn. On the Android side you have the ability to customize your phone to a great degree and generally have more choices. On the Apple side you have less choice but, arguably, better vertical integration and "flow". Android phones come in all price ranges. Apple, not so much but the build quality is excellent across the line. One thing that is beginning to worry me is mobile malware which seems to be almost entirely an Android problem.

    I've had both and currently have an Android phone. But if Apple introduces an iPhone with a larger screen I might switch back. My wife has a 5S and she loves it but to me it feels like a toy compared to my LG G2. The fact that I'm using a MacBook Pro makes for a compelling case to switch back to the iPhone. Sure, the G2 works fine but it's not nearly as slick as the all Apple solution. I'll be watching closely this week to see what new hardware comes out.

  48. burning desire/burning sensation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It began with a burning desire to flee from Android and ended with a burning sensation after iPhone purchase.

  49. not quite accurate about China by sribe · · Score: 1, Interesting

    The iPhone has been available in China for a couple of years. It only became available on China's largest carrier in December.

    1. Re:not quite accurate about China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'd argue with your choice of preposition. The iPhone has worked on China Mobile for quite a while, but has only been available through them since December.

      Earlier versions of the iPhone worked on China Mobile, though none of them were able to use China Mobile's proprietary 3g standard. The 5c and 5s are the first iPhones sold by China Mobile and able to use China Mobile's 4G service.

  50. Man do I miss the tagging feature... by drakaan · · Score: 1

    ...were it still available, I could have done a quick "fuckapple" tag and been done with it.

    --
    "Murphy was an optimist" - O'Toole's commentary on Murphy's Law
  51. VZW Sales Push Android by Thruen · · Score: 1

    I'm with a woman who does sales for VZW, she's explained to me that they actively push Android phones much more than iPhones because Verizon typically makes more on the Android phones. They don't actively discourage iPhone sales, but they run more promotions for Android and there are more Android related bonuses (or just additional quotas) for the sales people. It's partly because there are new Android phones out all the time and they run specials for a lot of new phones, but even during the months when new iPhones launch there are no incentives for sales people to sell iPhones while there are incentives for them to sell Android. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with this, if VZW makes more on other phones it makes sense for them to push them more, but it's part of the reason people who aren't really committed to one or the other will walk out with an Android phone. I wouldn't say they bought Android phones by mistake, though. We use both around here, if I'm being honest the iOS products run more smoothly but the Android products allow far more freedom, so I tend to think they each have an audience that suits them.

    1. Re:VZW Sales Push Android by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought it partly had something to do with Verizon loading its own software/branding onto Android phones. Apple won't allow that. This is actually a good thing Apple did, since Verizon is notoriously controlling. (I wish they had an open-access policy to their network. I'd like to see cheaper phones the Nokia Asha in a CDMA version. Even better, I'd like to buy a new phone and immediately move it to PagePlus. The FCC should sue them.)

    2. Re:VZW Sales Push Android by Thruen · · Score: 1

      That could be it, to be honest I don't think it was ever fully explained to her it's just something she laughs about around iPhone launches. It leads to amusing stories about people coming in looking for an iPhone and sales people trying to convince them they want an Android phone, some people don't care but some people get annoyed pretty quickly when you tell them they don't actually want what they think they do.

  52. Android phones are also more secure. by emil · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And this conclusion has been peer reviewed. With Cyanogenmod, you even get a line-item veto (privacy guard).

    Malicious software has appeared in the iTunes store. Android, in contrast, displays everything that an application will need to access so that users can decide themselves whether to go ahead with an installation.

    To compare these two security models, Han and co-workers identified 1,300 popular applications that work identically on both iOS and Android. These applications, such as Facebook, often access code libraries on smartphones called security-sensitive application programing interfaces (SS-APIs), which provide private user data or grant control over devices such as the camera.

    The researchers found that 73% of iOS applications, especially advertising and analytical code, consistently accessed more SS-APIs than their counterparts on Android. Additionally, the SS-APIs invoked by iOS tended to be those providing access to sensitive resources such as user contacts.

    The results imply that by allowing users to control permissions, Android may be better at preventing stealthy applications from getting hold of private information. Notably, Android also intentionally avoids using SS-APIs if non-security-sensitive APIs can be used to achieve the same functions.

    1. Re:Android phones are also more secure. by Noah+Haders · · Score: 0

      The results imply that by allowing users to control permissions, Android may be better at preventing stealthy applications from getting hold of private information.

      but androids don't allow users to control permissions. they give a one-time out-of-context pop up when requesting install. iPhones on the other hand you can go into settings at any time and toggle on or off which apps have access to contacts, gps, etc. looks like your "peer reviewed source" is bi-assed.

    2. Re:Android phones are also more secure. by amicusNYCL · · Score: 4, Informative

      You haven't heard of Cyanogenmod, have you? It's an alternative operating system you can install on Android devices (I know I'm not the only person who twitches when people say "androids" to refer to any Android device, as if all of them are equivalent and running the exact same software).

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    3. Re:Android phones are also more secure. by praxis · · Score: 1

      So if I install an OS other than iOS onto my iPhone, can I claim to be comparing iPhone to Android? Cyanogenmod is an advantage to Android of course, but the majority of users will use what comes out of the box so it's best to compare those. Every user can of course change the status quo by installing third-party software on their hardware but that's hardly the majority.

    4. Re:Android phones are also more secure. by supremebob · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The main problem that I see with Android security is that it takes forever to get security patches. It can take over six months for an Android point release to get validated by the carriers and pushed out to all of the phones, and many Android phones that are more than 18 months old aren't getting ANY Android updates anymore.

      Combine that with clueless end users (like my poor Mom) who seemingly click on every e-mail and SMS link they receive without thinking twice, and you have a disaster waiting to happen. She switched to an iPhone after her old Android 2.3 phone got hacked and filled with malware.

    5. Re:Android phones are also more secure. by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 1

      That hardly seems fair. You can jailbreak your phone and modify the functionality of iOS, too. Cyanogen isn't what most people will have on their phone or even something that they really have available to them at their skill level. The only people that I know that talk about Cyanogen are programmers or people on Slashdot. It's not an oranges to oranges comparison.

    6. Re:Android phones are also more secure. by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

      So if I install an OS other than iOS onto my iPhone, can I claim to be comparing iPhone to Android?

      If you can do so without violating the terms of use then it's a start, at least.

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    7. Re:Android phones are also more secure. by amicusNYCL · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You can jailbreak your phone and modify the functionality of iOS, too.

      The fact that this is referred to as "jailbreaking" is telling. My phone didn't start out in jail.

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    8. Re:Android phones are also more secure. by smash · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hand-balling security to the end user, when 90% of end users are muppets will not work, as demonstrated by the malware success on the Windows platform. Android is the Windows XP of smartphones. The rest of the world has tried that approach for the past 30 years, seen that it is not viable, and moved on. End users are not, and will not ever be, or care to be security experts. Apple gets that. Microsoft is beginning to get that. Android fans who say that leaving security stuff to the end user do not get that. Yet. It will come.

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    9. Re:Android phones are also more secure. by praxis · · Score: 1, Insightful

      So if I install an OS other than iOS onto my iPhone, can I claim to be comparing iPhone to Android?

      If you can do so without violating the terms of use then it's a start, at least.

      My iPhone hardware does not have any terms of use. The software does and if I am replacing it, then they don't apply, do they?

    10. Re:Android phones are also more secure. by amicusNYCL · · Score: 3, Informative

      It looks like Apple would disagree. This is literally the first line of the iOS 7 agreement:

      [quote]IMPORTANT: BY USING YOUR iPHONE, iPAD or iPOD TOUCH (“iOS DEVICE”), YOU ARE
      AGREEING TO BE BOUND BY THE FOLLOWING TERMS:
      A. APPLE iOS SOFTWARE LICENSE AGREEMENT
      B. NOTICES FROM APPLE[/quote]

      Followed by this:

      [quote]PLEASE READ THIS SOFTWARE LICENSE AGREEMENT ("LICENSE") CAREFULLY BEFORE USING
      YOUR iOS DEVICE OR DOWNLOADING THE SOFTWARE UPDATE ACCOMPANYING THIS
      LICENSE. BY USING YOUR iOS DEVICE OR DOWNLOADING A SOFTWARE UPDATE, AS
      APPLICABLE, YOU ARE AGREEING TO BE BOUND BY THE TERMS OF THIS LICENSE. IF YOU DO
      NOT AGREE TO THE TERMS OF THIS LICENSE, DO NOT USE THE iOS DEVICE OR DOWNLOAD
      THE SOFTWARE UPDATE.[/quote]

      Just out of curiosity though, which OS are you replacing iOS with? The OpeniBoot project hasn't been touched in 2 years and doesn't have any drivers. There isn't exactly a huge community of people actively replacing iOS with another OS.

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    11. Re:Android phones are also more secure. by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

      Whoops, preview fail.

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    12. Re:Android phones are also more secure. by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      And what does this tell of?

      http://rootandroidphone.com/ho...

    13. Re:Android phones are also more secure. by Lehk228 · · Score: 1

      Blackberry has had that feature since at least OS 5.5

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    14. Re:Android phones are also more secure. by jeffmeden · · Score: 1

      Hand-balling security to the end user, when 90% of end users are muppets will not work, as demonstrated by the malware success on the Windows platform. Android is the Windows XP of smartphones. The rest of the world has tried that approach for the past 30 years, seen that it is not viable, and moved on. End users are not, and will not ever be, or care to be security experts. Apple gets that. Microsoft is beginning to get that. Android fans who say that leaving security stuff to the end user do not get that. Yet. It will come.

      Except, the article he quoted said nothing of putting an actual security requirement on the user. Instead, the mere notion that the app will present all of its permissions at install time seems to be pushing the developers to limit what they ask for in the first place. Security by design is a Good Thing. Cyanogenmod, for those who really want to bite off a big piece of the pie, is an entirely different conversation.

    15. Re:Android phones are also more secure. by amicusNYCL · · Score: 2

      Well, considering that that website has a navigation link to "Sample Page", with all of the glory of a default Wordpress install, and links to "Disclosure", "Privacy Policy", and "Terms" that have no content on the page, I'm going to suggest that you probably don't want to download their software or give them your money. If you want to replace the default OS of an Android device I would suggest you look here instead of a shady clickbaiting site. That's not exactly the best example to prove a point.

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    16. Re:Android phones are also more secure. by praxis · · Score: 1

      That still says "using the software" to be, but I'd have to ask my lawyer. It's clearly labeled a software license agreement.

    17. Re:Android phones are also more secure. by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

      Yeah I don't know if that would hold up. It sounds like they are conflating the hardware with the software. And I doubt it would apply to someone who was given a used iPhone but did not purchase it themselves, they would never see the agreement.

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    18. Re:Android phones are also more secure. by praxis · · Score: 1

      Regardless, it's best to compare the most-common use-cases which are unknowledgeable users using their devices with software as-is from the box, which was my original point.

    19. Re: Android phones are also more secure. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can you use your iPhone without using iOS? Duh.

    20. Re:Android phones are also more secure. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It tells you that the term "jailbreak" was popularized in relation to iOS and that was then applied to Android and that most people are fucking idiots who don't understand the differences? Did you think there was a greater point in that example?

    21. Re:Android phones are also more secure. by exomondo · · Score: 1

      So if I install an OS other than iOS onto my iPhone, can I claim to be comparing iPhone to Android?

      His statement was flawed, CyanogenMod is not another OS, it is another Android distribution just like any other. If you are making comparisons between iOS and Android what Android distribution are you comparing with? Do you run AOSP?

    22. Re: Android phones are also more secure. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That sounds like a strange conclusion because while those permisdions are listed, it's still a "take it or leave it" approach on android. My phone running android 4.4 does not let me control an applications permissions after installation. In contrast on IOS I will be prompted when that application tries to access my contacts and that selection can be changed at any time.

      So fast forward to the next facebook version that is rumored to use the phones mic to record "background sounds". Most of the android users (unless rooted) will be presented with "access microphone" as they where previously and have an option to uninstall. IOS users will have an option to continue using the app and deny access to the microphone.

    23. Re:Android phones are also more secure. by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      You haven't heard of Cyanogenmod, have you? It's an alternative operating system you can install on Android devices (I know I'm not the only person who twitches when people say "androids" to refer to any Android device, as if all of them are equivalent and running the exact same software).

      On the Cyanogenmod page I counted 225 supported devices. http://opensignal.com/reports/fragmentation-2013/ says they found 11,868 distinct devices running Android - back in 2013.

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    24. Re:Android phones are also more secure. by smash · · Score: 1

      Nah. An app could ask for your firstborn and plenty of people will still click through install it. Nigerian 419 scams don't work for no reason.

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    25. Re:Android phones are also more secure. by jeffmeden · · Score: 1

      Nah. An app could ask for your firstborn and plenty of people will still click through install it. Nigerian 419 scams don't work for no reason.

      You are _still_ missing the point. This has nothing to do with user behavior. The apps are being designed, by the software developers, to touch fewer pieces of "sensitive data". Presumably (though there is no hard evidence to support it) this is done because developers prefer to have a cleaner permissions sheet, since in Android it is seen by every user at install time. So given two equally oblivious users, one with an iOS device and one with an Android device, if they fire up the same app the Android user is less likely to leak sensitive information in some way because the app itself is better behaved. Of course there are plenty of other vectors for it to happen (on both platforms) but in the context of the study in question, this is a data-supported fact.

    26. Re:Android phones are also more secure. by smash · · Score: 1

      No I'm not missing your point. There may be a trend, but i guarantee you that if someone writes a killer app that asks for way more access than it requires, people will still install it. Just look at Facebook, or Google's services.

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    27. Re:Android phones are also more secure. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny, I know several people who switched to Android after their iPhone was hacked and filled with malware.

  53. OSX isn't locked down like iOS is by raymorris · · Score: 2

    > so I won't be caught dead with a mac or iphone or ipad.

    Pretty much anything that runs on Linux will run equally well on a Mac. OSX isn't locked down like iOS is.

    1. Re:OSX isn't locked down like iOS is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But it sure is getting close with every new major release. Some time ago it didn't had a store and many apps were available for intel and ppc (so very early macosx to the most recent). A couple months ago I went and reinstall my 10.4, and BAM! no app available on the author page anymore and only a link to the mac OS app store. Ok, click.... and disappointment, no 10.4 support anymore (shame since it was the last version I could officially install). Lucky me I have the habit of doing backup of the dmg 's for software I find useful, unlucky because I didn't had the last updated version of said apps backup'd up.

      So, yeah, looking more and more walled to me.

    2. Re:OSX isn't locked down like iOS is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would you buy a mac if you intend to run Linux anyway?

    3. Re:OSX isn't locked down like iOS is by smash · · Score: 1

      10.4 is from 2005. Let me know how you go downloading binaries for a Linux distribution from 2005.

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  54. Warning: Steve Job's gree^H^H^H^Hvison is incom... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...patable with what I expect a pocket computer to do. An un-jailbroken iOS device is nothing but a locked down toy.

  55. Chill out by enterix · · Score: 1

    If you took it literarily, you have serious issue. The statement is obvious humorous sarcasm intended to entertain Mac Developers. It is also obvious that would irritate Android fanatics.

    As technical person working in technology, I have many technical friends that use iPhone or Android and sticking to it. Those are two different platforms with totally different ecosystem and philosophy behind them. Both have advantage and disadvantages. There is absolutely no reason to trash each others over differences.

    The argument becomes pathetic like convincing die hard SUV owner that your new roadster is a better car.

    1. Re:Chill out by Plammox · · Score: 1

      Amen to that.

  56. still wont switch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    apple could have the best devices in the world, but there company would still be shady. i mean what will they patent next? where the power button can be located on a smartphone. i will never trust a company that frequently sues the competition several times a year to stay ahead. shows you their pathetic way of thinking.

    1. Re:still wont switch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple may be shady, but Google is downright creepy.

  57. Slow news day? by sootman · · Score: 1

    Jesus, it was a fucking joke. They also featured some google services during the keynote, as well as bing.

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    1. Re:Slow news day? by johnsie · · Score: 1

      And?

  58. Re:I wouldn't read too much into Cook's comments.. by Shadowmist · · Score: 1

    It's probably also why Apple is pushing Bing! as the default (although Google and Yahoo will still be available for search engines just as Bing! is already an option. It's also probably why Apple simply didn't write off it's investment in Apple Maps and is continuing to work on it's own Maps program. (although until it gets Transit options, I'll still be using Google Maps, thank you very much)

  59. Apple doesn't offer a garbage product range by Sir_Sri · · Score: 2

    Apple doesn't offer a product in the garbage range.

    If you go into a store today you can probably still find devices for sale running android 2.x. Expensive high end devices too, but if you buy a cheap droid you're in for a bad time. In the same way you can buy 7 and 8 year old blackberries too. I wouldn't recommend most of the really cheap droid products to anyone.

    1. Re:Apple doesn't offer a garbage product range by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And I wouldn't recommend any iPhone to anyone either (and on a side note, neither would I recommend a high end Samsung phone).

      I won't say superior devices than iPhone, I'll just say comparable equipment, feature and hardware wise, exist. And they are sold for more than half the price of an new iPhone (or Samsung).

    2. Re:Apple doesn't offer a garbage product range by Sir_Sri · · Score: 1

      iPhones are good for people who aren't ever going to be able to understand their phone, will use it for important things, have money, and want something that will just be updated. Android and the lack of software updates is a serious mess, and hardware is only useful if you can understand how to use it.

  60. You didn't see the video. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It was clearly a joke. Everyone laughed.

  61. Ah, but you're talking about it. by Rodness · · Score: 1

    It doesn't matter what people are saying about you, as long as they're talking to you.

    Tim Cook isn't stupid. He said it, and you're all talking about it. Apple wins.

    1. Re:Ah, but you're talking about it. by Rodness · · Score: 1

      *dammit... ABOUT YOU. I even had to preview first and still missed my typo.

  62. It was a JOKE, people. Get a sense of humor. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you actually WATCH Tim Cook say this it's clear he's being funny. There's a big pause between "bought an Android phone" and then "by mistake", which got a big laugh from an Apple Developer Conference audience.

    Of course Cook thinks the iPhone is superior, it's his product and ecosystem after all. He makes some jokes at the expense of Windows and Android both. But he wasn't doing a scientific analysis of purchasing habits, he was making a joke in front of a friendly audience.

    1. Re:It was a JOKE, people. Get a sense of humor. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When you finally get your nose out of his butt, can you get me a beer?

  63. Microsoft fanbois? by voss · · Score: 0

    The actually exist?

    I know people use windows but there are microsoft fanbois since Windows 8 came out???

    1. Re:Microsoft fanbois? by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      I know people use windows but there are microsoft fanbois since Windows 8 came out???

      It's like a subset of rule #34 ... any technology or technology company will have people who uncritically think it's the best thing ever.

      And from what I've seen of the posts in any thread which is either about Microsoft or Apple ... they both have their fare share of drooling fanbois for whom the company can do no wrong.

      And, of course, I will reiterate ... this is pretty much true of pretty much everything.

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    2. Re:Microsoft fanbois? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Well they were the ones who staunchly defended Windows 8 as the best thing since sliced bread. They saw nothing wrong that desktop users were forced to use a tablet interface at all.

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    3. Re:Microsoft fanbois? by hey! · · Score: 1

      Sure they exist. And that woman you met on Craigslist you pay to have sex with you is your "girlfriend".

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  64. Android Wins by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My wife has an iPhone. I have an Android. I love the iPhone, but I love my Android even more.

    Sorry, Apple.

  65. Re:Wanted iPhone, got Android because it's cheaper by DMUTPeregrine · · Score: 1

    Pratchett explains this rather well:

    "The Sam Vimes "Boots" Theory of Economic Injustice runs thus:

    At the time of Men at Arms, Samuel Vimes earned thirty-eight dollars a month as a Captain of the Watch, plus allowances. A really good pair of leather boots, the sort that would last years and years, cost fifty dollars. This was beyond his pocket and the most he could hope for was an affordable pair of boots costing ten dollars, which might with luck last a year or so before he would need to resort to makeshift cardboard insoles so as to prolong the moment of shelling out another ten dollars.

    Therefore over a period of ten years, he might have paid out a hundred dollars on boots, twice as much as the man who could afford fifty dollars up front ten years before. And he would still have wet feet.

    Without any special rancour, Vimes stretched this theory to explain why Sybil Ramkin lived twice as comfortably as he did by spending about half as much every month. "

    "Deals" often aren't.

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  66. Pretty Sure That I bought Droids on Purpose by Maria_Celeste · · Score: 1

    Copious auto-correct errors are a deal breaker. I'm a science writer. You can't have my physical keyboard...not even from my cold dead fingers. Extra points: my Droids are sturdy damn things. (plus, the little Android dude is supercute)

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  67. Re:Other other way around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I went from an iPhone 4 to a Nexus 5 to an iPhone 5s.

    Sorry but forcing me to use Google hangouts (which I replaced with hello), having a dialer that 'predicted' who I wanted to call instead of just showing me my contacts, having to worry about app permissions and so many things I just didn't have the time or patience to care about. I -still- don't care about NFC. I just want my smartphone to do what it does well. I haven't even jailbroken my phone (or felt like I needed to do so). It was a sub-par experience and an inexcusable one at that.

    This is coming from someone who uses Debian as his main OS (disclaimer: I'm posting this from W7 at work) so I guess that's where I get my power-user fix.

  68. "A better life" by avandesande · · Score: 1

    Really have we sunk this low?

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  69. The driving factor is social by koan · · Score: 1

    It's just "cooler" with a certain group to own an iPhone over Android, and if all your "friends" use iPhones it makes sense to choose that device for a multitude of reasons, including compatibility with their "friends" devices. I hear people refer to Android as "Too Windowy" and the hype over attack and infection rates is a great scare tactic to drive customers to another platform. The average person isn't concerned with handling their own security, instead they want someone to do that for them so they don't have to worry. I have a acquaintance that installs tons of apps on his Nexus 7, all free too, then he complains about issues that arise and odd quirks. Using the exact same tablet I have 0 issues, but I got over that "install everything" phase and only put specific apps that there is a need for. One last note, Apple's iOS8 and its 4000+ new API's some of which allow apps to talk to each other smells to me like a gigantic security nightmare, especially after their rather obvious SSL "bug".

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  70. Wooosh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or you know, if you actually watched the keynote, you'd see that the "by mistake" and "sought a better life" lines were jokes.

  71. just the otherway around... by bumba2014 · · Score: 0

    I played with iphone and ipad. I hated it, could move the images from it, need itunes for every fucking video/music upload. And iphone is soo small... I now have a cheap samsung galaxy tab 3 (10 inch) + galaxy grand neo (duo sim), and I couldn't be more happy...

  72. Accidentally bought an Galaxy S3. by thevirtualcat · · Score: 5, Funny

    And then I accidentally rooted it.
    And then I accidentally installed CyanogenMod on it.

    Will no company save me from this vicious cycle of accidentally doing things to my phone?

    1. Re:Accidentally bought an Galaxy S3. by marcello_dl · · Score: 3, Funny

      Don't worry, good guys to the rescue.

      The NSA: "Thanks to the poor isolation from the closed source modem in your phone, we accidentally all your memory"
      You: you accidentally WHAT?
      The NSA: "all your memory".

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    2. Re:Accidentally bought an Galaxy S3. by thevirtualcat · · Score: 1

      Oh, man. I'm really glad I still have an unlimited data plan. Can you imagine dumping 2GB of memory on a regular basis? That'd eat up most data plans really fast!

    3. Re:Accidentally bought an Galaxy S3. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And then you accidently lost a lot of functionality.

    4. Re:Accidentally bought an Galaxy S3. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And then you're still "accidentally" running out of battery every fucking day instead of every 4 days. How does it feel to be immobile?

    5. Re:Accidentally bought an Galaxy S3. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like? I installed CyanogenMod on my galaxy tab and like it much more then the modified version of android Samsung shipped. it is also a much more recent version as well.

      At the end of the day it is about choice. I choose to install CyanogenMod, can apple fans say they chose to upgrade?

    6. Re:Accidentally bought an Galaxy S3. by marcello_dl · · Score: 1

      Well it basically depends on how much apart from each other his fucking days are.

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    7. Re:Accidentally bought an Galaxy S3. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you a verb there, buddy.

  73. Depends on your need by ilsaloving · · Score: 0

    You can have flexability, or you can have reliability. You can't have both.

    I used to have an iPhone, but not being able to do what I wanted with it pissed me off.

    So I switched to Android. Only to find out that while yes, I have fantastic control over the device, I can't rely on it for even the most basic functions. Battery life is a write-off as soon as I do anything more than basic functions that even a dumb-phone can accomplish. And the build in tools are so crap that you *have* to get external stuff in order to use the phone properly (Android *still* doesn't do native carddav/caldav? Seriously?)

    So I've gone back to iOS. No, I can't do everything I could do with Android. The build in keyboard is idiotic. Why Apple won't let you do bluetooth file transfers, is beyond my comprehension. The list goes on. But I don't have to worry about it suddenly not doing stuff that was working just fine the day before. I don't have to worry about my brand new device suddenly only getting 4 hours of battery life.

    It boils down to what you're willing to put up with. I have too many other things to do in my life, and I am not willing to detour those things in order to do performance profiling on my mobile device just to find out why it suddenly decided to go haywire. I'm perfectly happy to do less things, as long as it does those things well.

  74. Re:I wouldn't read too much into Cook's comments.. by erp_consultant · · Score: 1

    Indeed. I think that Microsoft is probably Apple's "friendliest" rival. Bing is actually a pretty good search engine so maybe this will be a good fit. I also like the fact that DuckDuckGo will now be available on the iPhone. It's a nod towards internet privacy and a subtle dig at Google, me thinks.

    Apple simply must do a better job with the Maps program and, as you point out, not having a Transit option is a glaring weakness. I'm pretty sure that Apple will shore that up. Google Navigation is one of the few must have apps for me but more and more I just don't trust Google with any of my information. I'd be happy to dump it for Apple Maps but it's got to be good. I expect that it will be much improved after the embarrassing initial rollout.

  75. 3 switched... no mistake by mspohr · · Score: 3, Interesting

    In the last few months, all three of my children have ditched their small screen, walled garden iPhones for Android phones. They did not do this by mistake. They did it intentionally. They are happy with Android.
    Tim Cook is delusional (or, more likely, blowing smoke)

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    1. Re:3 switched... no mistake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal.

      And useless.

    2. Re:3 switched... no mistake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >> Tim Cook is delusional (or, more likely, blowing smoke)

      Or obviously joking if you actually watch the keynote. This article is clearly flamebait, and all the fandroids fell for it.

    3. Re:3 switched... no mistake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've seen that too - I noticed a few staff that I was sure had iPhones carrying Android phones around. I asked and they all said "I hate iTunes. This phone has a memory card slot and I can plug it into my computer and copy files to it."

    4. Re:3 switched... no mistake by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      That's just anecdotal evidence, since more than three people use iPhones. You're confusing it with Windows Phone.

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    5. Re:3 switched... no mistake by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      In the last few months, all three of my children have ditched their small screen, walled garden iPhones for Android phones. They did not do this by mistake. They did it intentionally. They are happy with Android. Tim Cook is delusional (or, more likely, blowing smoke)

      Actually, he has numbers to back up his word. Numbers much bigger than "3". You can find them in TFS even.

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  76. Jobs is Dead, Long Live Jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cooking a new distortion field....

  77. Is /. going to post every single Tim Cook quote? by Imazalil · · Score: 1

    Should I just stay off /. for the next three months while every single quote from WWDC gets posted for the benefit of pageviews and ad impressions?

  78. "... better experience and a better life." by hackus · · Score: 1

    One of the items I discuss, besides our impending burial by an avalanche called WWIII and the technology misused to fight it, is our misuse of technology in general, which i will call rampant consumerism.

    Nothing Apple produces makes a better life for anyone.

    Neither the factory workers who make the product, or the countires where the resources seem to always attract a terrorist to make industrial goods/central bank...and therefore require a invasion a drone invasion of some kind.

    Including all of the lawlessness drone shootings require.

    I disagree with Cook's statement this is some sort of better life.

    It is not.

    It continues NOT to be in fact for just about everyone here reading this.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/...

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  79. This is news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A corporate CEO of course thinks all buyers of a competitor's product are buying that product by mistake.

    In other news Steve Ballmer things customers who are buying a Mac are buying it by mistake.

  80. Consumers are ^&@** idiots. by foradoxium · · Score: 1

    I needed to buy my family a new Camry, our old one was getting too old. The vtech just wasn't kicking in anymore. We love our new Camry, especially the Ford Sync thing that lets us sync up our iPhone and play music from the playstore.

  81. Why not both? by rwa2 · · Score: 1

    I won't knock either. I've used both. Cook's statement is just plain incorrect."

    Someone pointed out the Cook's statement was just a joke at an Apple audience.

    But yep, we're nerds. We like technology.

    I currently have an iPhone 5S on Verizon for work, but I still just upgraded my personal T-Mobile device to a Nexus 5 (a new one from Craigslist at a good discount from someone who bought it by mistake, so I'm getting a kick out of this thread). So I'm in a good position to comment. So maybe I will.

    They're about the same weight, even though the Nexus is quite a bit larger. The aluminum case on the iPhone is nice but very slippery so it already has a bunch of nasty gouges in the corners and edges. I haven't dropped the Nexus yet (it's only been a week) but the rubber backing is more secure. Yes, I should get protective covers for both of them, but lazy.

    The iPhone's camera is noticeably nicer... the Nexus sometimes has trouble focusing on my intended subject.

    I don't care for the stocks that Apple puts on the notification swipedown, and there's no way to remove it.

    I usually get quite lost in Apple UI elements, since I've been using Android longer I get frustrated when I can't figure out which UI element to use to bring up the menu or to simply go "back / escape"... it's always a different one hidden in a corner or worse yet a swipe in some random direction.

    Ironically, Google Chrome on iOS is a bit easier to use than on Android. To switch tabs, since you can still swipe left/right from the edge. On Android they had changed it a few months ago so you had to swipe down a bit to show the address bar, and then swipe left/right on the address bar, which annoys me... almost enough to consider going back to Dolphin browser maybe. And Chrome, on iOS also has some kind of accelerator that takes you back to the top of the page if you swipe down repeatedly aggressively enough, whereas Chrome on Android just makes you swipe and swipe. OTOH, trying to scroll up/down in a page on iOS often accidentally brings down the notification menu or the "bottom" iOS menu instead, which annoys me more. More reasons to go back to Dolphin browser I suppose, where I could just bind pgup/pgdn to the volume rocker.

    1. Re:Why not both? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't care for the stocks that Apple puts on the notification swipedown, and there's no way to remove it.

      Settings > Notification Center > TODAY VIEW: > Stocks

      That said, Notification Center in iOS 7 absolutely sucks compared to iOS 6. Stupid "designers" have taken control at Apple, making information harder to get at in the name of looks. Bleh.

  82. 'By mistake' doesn't mean 'by accident' by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 1

    Tim Cook is clearly trying to get across that he feels that these people bought these phones and then realised the error of their ways, not that they walked into stores, put money down, and only realised when they got home that they had Android phones instead of iPhones.

    The distinction in this case is subtle because 'by mistake' usually does mean 'by accident', or 'unintentionally'. He's TRYING to be subtle here because he's almost certainly trying to make an allusion to their court cases and how Samsung made phones that really did look like iPhones for a while.

    1. Re:'By mistake' doesn't mean 'by accident' by jo_ham · · Score: 1

      Actually, he was telling a joke.

  83. Re:It is annoying how Android people... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > low information phone buyers

    If they, as Apple's marketing research proved, refuse to pay attention when spending thousands (initial phone cost plus monthly bills for the term of the contract), what else do you expect from their kind? They are the hoi polloi, the Android owners.

  84. Yes, well... by dskoll · · Score: 1

    When everyone has an Android phone, it's quite likely that a lot of new iPhone users had an Android phone. That's because Android is taking over the market, not because a large percentage of Android phone owners are unhappy.

    1. Re:Yes, well... by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      When everyone has an Android phone, it's quite likely that a lot of new iPhone users had an Android phone. That's because Android is taking over the market, not because a large percentage of Android phone owners are unhappy.

      So please explain why somebody would switch from Android to iPhone if they were perfectly happy with their choice? It obviously wasn't because they hit hard times and had to buy something dirt cheap.

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  85. He was joking. by GrahamJ · · Score: 1

    Apparently no one here actually watched the keynote. He was clearly joking about people buying Androids by mistake.

  86. Android vs iPhone is not the new Mac vs Windows by Arkham · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I work at AirWatch and work on every mobile device and platform that exists. They each have their merits and drawbacks. Trying to turn it into some holy war is absurd and pointless. My two main devices are an iPhone 5 and a Nexus 7 tablet. I love them both for different reasons. As a developer both platforms have merit and both have annoying limitations. Everything Tim Cook said is technically true but none if it means that a Nexus 5 isn't an awesome phone.

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    1. Re:Android vs iPhone is not the new Mac vs Windows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AirWatch lol

    2. Re:Android vs iPhone is not the new Mac vs Windows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With Swift coming along and the future implications, I was looking at Android again this morning. Is there really no standard vector ops library? I have a hard time believing it, since it wouldn't take that much effort on the part of Google but it'd both save a ton of redundant third party code and encourage people to make faster apps. I write DSP-heavy apps, so SIMD (or a functionally equivalent alternative) is pretty damn important to me. It just seems so terribly quaint to me to have math code platform-dependent unless you're doing something really weird or for some reason that last couple percent of speed-up of writing for a specific processor is absolutely necessary.

    3. Re:Android vs iPhone is not the new Mac vs Windows by garote · · Score: 0

      But us geeks LIKE jihad! It makes us feel important! Like our opinion of which F&%# PHONE a person buys is somehow the morally superior one!

      Don't take that from us!!!!
      What would we do with all this technical knowledge!

    4. Re:Android vs iPhone is not the new Mac vs Windows by jasonbrown · · Score: 1

      I use both Apple and Android. They certainly both have their strengths and weaknesses. Who cares. They all Facebook right?

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    5. Re:Android vs iPhone is not the new Mac vs Windows by jasonbrown · · Score: 1

      Can we please talk about something else besides whether your phone is better than my phone. I mean really - aren't you all like the smartest people on the planet and we have to debate which phone gets on Facebook the best?? I mean fuck man their burning the Amazon down and fracking the planet to pieces and this is what's fucking important to talk about? Isn't your super awesome genius brain made for better things than this?? Isn't it??

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    6. Re:Android vs iPhone is not the new Mac vs Windows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +1, as a developer I agree 100%. I use iPhone primarily (even though I'm primarily a java developer). I think though that the nuance is lost, in large part, to the consumer market. People just want their phones to do what they want, how they want to do it.

      It was nice to see Apple tackle the developer in this release. I'm wondering how much it will impact things. Especially with the ability to expose services and such. It might be a game-changer for apple's sandbox because it offers some of the benefits of what you get on Android while offering the security and reliability of the sandbox. That is, if it's implemented correctly. I have yet to take a look.

      In the end though, Market Share vs. cost will determine what apps go where. I think apple has a slight advantage in cost, more apps are sold on the app store then anywhere and because of it's closed box system and lack of fragmentation, apps are easier to maintain. Market share, the Android phones are a strong driving factor, but you can't always use the latest features of the OS if you want to capture that market share which, frankly, is downright annoying.

  87. This is so stupid by Murdoch5 · · Score: 1

    Bought Android by mistake? I would hardly say that is true, I'v used an iPhone and I couldn't give it up fast enough, it was by far the worst phone I've ever used.

  88. You have got to be f**king kidding me by gumbright · · Score: 0

    You are going to hash out what was clearly meant as a joke? I truly find myself embarrassed to be associated, however distantly, with you people.

  89. Consider Swype by emil · · Score: 1

    Because a Cyanogenmod user was able to monitor this application, it was discovered that Swype was requesting location data several thousand times per day.

    The vendor responded with a reasonable explanation.

    In any case, if you run an Apple device, you will never know if your vendor begins doing such things, either for innocuous reasons, or otherwise.

    p.s. You can now buy phones loaded with Cyanogenmod as the native OS.

    1. Re: Consider Swype by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Umm, bullshit.

      You are completely ignoring how entitlements work in iOS. You would be notified of attempts to access location, contacts, calendars etc, and can allow/deny dynamically & case by case.

      Apps don't access that info directly, they are asking a system service to provide it, and the UI for allow/deny is not provided by the App, it's coming from the OS.

    2. Re:Consider Swype by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      You chose a really bad example there. When an iOS app accesses the location, then a purple arrow appears in the status bar. As standard.

      No need to install an alternative OS and an app before seeing this.

    3. Re:Consider Swype by Kalriath · · Score: 1

      Uh, no, Swype wasn't requesting location data several thousand times a day. It was being given unsolicited location data by the OS. Because it's a background service that sometimes wants location, it's given location every time Android notifies everything running that location has changed.

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  90. I made that mistake. by Lumpy · · Score: 1

    I bought an HTC ONE M8 and after 30 days wish I had not bought this crap riddled thing and bought a Nexus or google play edition instead.

    Android phones from carriers and manufacturers are utter crap because of all the useless garbage they shovel into it. HTC Sense and Blink Feed is complete garbage.

    A pure Android phone is 800X better than anything you can buy out there. Why Google allows HTC and AT&T to utterly molest the OS with their crap I'll never understand.

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  91. "A better life" by motorhead · · Score: 0

    If your quality of life is determined by which cell phone you have, well...

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  92. He was making a joke, get over it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It seems that no one here watched the keynote, but if you did, you would have heard the delivery.

    "They had bought an Android phone... by mistake"

    It was the classic joke delivery of say something, pause a little and then "clarify" what you meant with a quip. He doesn't think that people actually bought a phone as an accident. The joke is they bought an Android phone and (we know, and they later figured out) that was a "mistake" because Apple has a better product.

    It's like a Corvette fan saying that his buddy bought a Mustang by mistake, but now he knows how great Corvettes are and sold his Mustang.

    Oh, and since Apple makes "lifestyle" products rather than just a computer or a phone, of course they are designed to "give you a better life". That's the marketing concept of a "lifestyle brand". Also, not as literal as so many of you want to make it.

  93. OMG no! by slashmydots · · Score: 1

    "sought a better experience and a better life"
    You have got to be FUCKING KIDDING ME. Limitations! DRM! Hacking! Locking! Soldered batteries! Walled garden bullshit! Remote deleting apps! The price! Carrier limitations! iCloud running like crap! iTunes running like crap! Theft! AAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGHHHHHHH my head just exploded. Someone should have came up from the audience and slapped that idiot.

  94. Android is a ghetto by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

    The 1% at the top who are technically literate enough to make the most it truly want to believe the system works but for everyone is a mess. It's no wonder of all brands Android generally ranks worst in customer satisfaction which says a lot when win phone people are happier having a phone with no apps than those in the android ghetto.

    1. Re:Android is a ghetto by Arker · · Score: 1

      "It's no wonder of all brands Android generally ranks worst in customer satisfaction which says a lot when win phone people are happier having a phone with no apps than those in the android ghetto"

      Android and iOS are both trash, and phones dont need apps.

      Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

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  95. Re:I don't see amazon app store or sideloading on by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

    Or jailbreak it.

  96. Is Android the way to go? by used2win32 · · Score: 0

    Android is facing a new (or is in a continuation of a) lawsuit over Java patent violations.
    Manufacturers have to pay Microsoft fees for violating their patents" and earns more from Android than Windows phones.
    For most users on most handsets there isn't a supported upgrade path to newer versions of Android. They have to deal with bugs and security issues with their old version.
    Depending on the study, between 85 and 99% of all mobile malware is targeted to Android. (Although most of that is outside of Google's own store)

    I tell my friends, "buy one if you want to...but everything else is safer". iOS, Windows, Blackberry, Symbian (the least safe and least supported of these), Tizen, etc.

    *** I do not have an iPhone or an Android phone. I have a "semi smart" feature phone. ***

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  97. Re:Other other way around by smash · · Score: 1
    Similar experience here. First of the Android/iOS handsets was a iPhone 3G. Jailnbroke it. Ran quake. realised that touch sucks for quake. Installed a few themes.

    Upgraded to a 3G-S. didn't bother to jailbreak. Didn't miss it. Have run iOS primarily ever since.

    Dabbled with Android on a HTC One and Samsung Galaxy S3. Noticed that many apps do not scale to the screen properly. Encountered folder bug on HTC One (created a folder in the launcher I could not delete until updating firmware). Noticed bug in alarm clock - didn't wake me up. Noticed scrolling was less smooth than my 3-4 year old iPhone from 2008. Constantly annoyed with the UI and crappy email program.

    Didn't find anything to hold me to the platform and the UI was annoying. Handset quality was not as good - the S3 feels like a plastic child's toy, and the buttons on the bottom of the HTC one are awkward to use with one hand.

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  98. tim cook... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...is an idiot feeding staunch apple advocates the drivel they want to hear.

  99. Different strokes by Tangential · · Score: 1

    For different folks...

    Choice is always good. In the world of notebooks and desktops that's why there's linux, OSX and a few other OS's available.

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  100. Typical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If they didn't want an Android, it seems kind of strange that they were still dumb enough to go out and buy one. What's Mr. Cook saying about iPhone users exactly?

  101. A better life? Get rid of your damned phones. by fox171171 · · Score: 1

    sought a better experience and a better life.

    Better experience? I get nothing but frustration from my wife's iDevices. I haven't used Android, so I can't compare, but Android would have to be pretty bad if Apple is a better experience. (I have an old flip phone. Makes calls. It's off most of the time.)

    A better life? Get rid of your damned phones.

  102. The Golden Turd Principal by tuxgeek · · Score: 0

    Yep, I got an iPhone 5 when it was offered to me for no-charge with a 2 year contract. Been using it for 6 months now & in my opinion, it's the biggest POS out there. Will never have another iCrap device again & getting this thing was a mistake. I was duped

    For example, It features a note pad app that deletes my notes at random intervals, usually in less time than it takes to follow up on said memo. In the settings app, everything is removed and/or locked down and/or obfuscated to the point that nothing is usable for the average intelligent human being, this coming from a Linux/KDE user that is accustomed to and expects to having access to system settings.

    This thing is truly a Golden Turd. Mr Cook's take on the smart phone scene reminds me of Doris the Bowler hat & being pwned by an iPhone is like being assimilated to the Borg.

    I know full well Android isn't perfect, but even a dumb phone is better than this damn thing.

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    1. Re:The Golden Turd Principal by BasilBrush · · Score: 0

      As a Linux fan you value customisability and tinkerability over usability, good design and security. Which is the opposite of most users. What appeals to you is not what appeals to the majority. Which is one reason your desktop OS never achieved any market presence.

    2. Re:The Golden Turd Principal by tuxgeek · · Score: 0

      On the contrary
      I also use M$ systems in my place of work and have for many years. My preferred OS is superior in every way to any proprietary system I've ever used, contrary to your M$ fanboi drivel.

      The advantage to running Linux and BSD is they are somewhat niche systems, therefore not necessarily dumbed down for dolts like you, and therefore much less desirable for malware authors to target, although no OS is perfectly unbreakable. Your M$-xx and iOS-xx are easy targets for malware, and that is a fact, not so much on my side of the fence.

      You're free to go with the majority like sheep, whatever floats you boat .. asshat!

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    3. Re:The Golden Turd Principal by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      To deal with just one piece of your drivel.

      Your M$-xx and iOS-xx are easy targets for malware, and that is a fact, not so much on my side of the fence.

      Virtually all mobile malware is for Linux (Android). None of it in 2013 was for iOS, and precious little in any preceding year.

      http://www.mcafee.com/uk/secur...

    4. Re:The Golden Turd Principal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Usability" and "good design"? In iOS? Have you used iOS, or any Apple interface? The absolute worst garbage I've ever encountered.

  103. Privacy nightmare by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Surprised so many on here are in denial about android being a fundamental nightmare when it comes to privacy with its "all or nothing" approach. Seriously, it's a platform which should be boycotted until it gets *at least* parity with iOS's "allow per permission, per app" approach.

  104. You phone fetishists are unbelievable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    So let me get this straight. Your claim is that when someone says there's no external storage, that's bullshit, because you don't know what they want external storage for? Isn't that like saying the Earth's moon is bullshit because you aren't an astronaut? You can see no insanity in your response at all?

    I believe I shall back away now, very slowly, while maintaining eye contact.

    For the record, I have no cell phone, neither smart nor dumb, not Apple or Android. I have no dogs in this fight but both sides seem almost equally insane to me (with very slightly higher sanity on the Android side, because at least their technofetish is reasonably cheap).

    1. Re: You phone fetishists are unbelievable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As an administrator I am so happy nexus stopped having external storage. Local NAS and cloud services are the way to go. Sync don't copy!!

  105. I'm not sure what this article is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is it an anti-Apple article, a pro-Android article, a pro-Apple article? Or a little bit of all three?

    Either way, why does an offhand joke by an Apple exec during an Apple event warrant its own /. article?

    Why not make an article about the "is the rope multithreaded" joke, too?

  106. It was a tongue-in-cheek comment by rainer_d · · Score: 1

    For me, having watched the keynote, it was quite clear that it was meant as a light-hearted joke - why anybody would get riled-up about it is beyond me.
    Also, I doubt that Apple would be able to achieve and exceed their sales and profit growth targets with only fanbois buying - the number of those is pretty limited and can be counted by counting the number of people who line-up when a new i-device is on sale for the first day.
    So, there must be a quite significant number of switchers. And for some, it was indeed a "mistake" to buy an Android phone in the first place.

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  107. Cook has it backwards. by Jaysyn · · Score: 1

    Looks like the Reality Distortion Field has rubbed off on Mr. Cook. It's become a game with me to tease my fiance about the things my cheap-ass Nexus can do that her 64GB iPad can't.

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  108. How could you possibly mistake the two? by WillgasM · · Score: 1

    You can't go wrong with rounded corners.

  109. The Reality Distortion Field is strong in this one by itomato · · Score: 1

    sjobs' RDF is alive and well.

  110. Never heard this. by Holammer · · Score: 1

    Never heard anyone say this "in the wild", neither did I ever come across a single person that got confused by Wii and WiiU.
    This looks like something marketing and spin doctors would come up with.

  111. So what your saying is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They switched from the only other company basically....I know I know windows phone and some blackberries still floating around... Thats like Comcast saying most of our customers were TimeWarner subscribers that chose the wrong cable provider and wanted to switch to the next best thing.

  112. Android rulez, iOS droolz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can't believe (yes I can...) how many of you are taking Cook's obvious wink-wink, nudge-nudge jab at Android seriously. Clearly, none of you have watched the relevant part(s) of the keynote, or suspect that maybe, just maybe, the submitter has misrepresented Cook's statement. What's especially funny is that Cook leveled a number of _actual_ criticisms against Android, but no one here is talking about those.

    The submitter knew you guys would take the bait -- hook, line, sinker, and pole.

  113. Survey says...! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Android is a mistake

  114. It was a joke but perhaps true for some people ... by perpenso · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A friend was visiting Asia and in one "market", on a parking garage's underground lower level, a "vendor" was offering iPads. The box looked just like a real iPad box. Inside the tablet looked just like a real iPad. However when powered up it was an Android tablet. I saw his photos, the box and tablet were good counterfeits.

    Perhaps this is occurring with phones too and Cook's jobs is perhaps true for some people. They accidentally bought Android due to counterfeiting. :-)

  115. Apple has become quite pathetic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One does wonder if Mr Cook is loosing it slightly. He must be under some pressure from shareholders, with market share rapidly slipping, to come out with such ridiculous nonsense.

  116. Why I prefer Windows and Android phones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One word:

    Swype

    1. Re:Why I prefer Windows and Android phones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And failing that, even Google's standard keyboard has swiping capabilities now. If anyone is still jabbing at tiny keys on their screens, then they are about ten years out of date.

      Apple is so far behind that it's pathetic.

  117. Re:It was a joke but perhaps true for some people by perpenso · · Score: 1

    ... Cook's jobs ...

    Cook's joke.

    What would Freud say about that typo? :-)

  118. It was a joke by scm · · Score: 1

    That comment was an offhanded joke, reporting it like this is ridiculous. I guess unless the point was to have a flame war...

  119. Switched to Apple .. better than the other way rnd by IwantToKeepAnon · · Score: 1

    Apple is proud you can switch to them from Android, are they proud that their product iMessage destroys the experience the other way around? AND that it is impossible for Apple to fix their own bug? Or is that a "feature"?

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  120. While 1'300 millions bought iPhones by mistake by krouic · · Score: 1

    While 1'300 million customers bought iPhones by mistake thinking they would look cool just to notice later that everybody and their neighbors already had one.

  121. Did none of you watch the keynote? by Bogtha · · Score: 1

    This was clearly a tongue in cheek remark. He put a bit of mild ribbing in to get a laugh out of the audience. Calling it "berating" is a complete mischaracterisation. See for yourself, it's 45 minutes into the keynote video.

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  122. Better app permissions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd like to see both give an option of "grant the app this permission once right now, then automatically turn it back off."

    I have an iPhone 5 and a Nexus 7. On the Nexus, I've aborted installation of many an app because it asked for an unreasonable list of permissions at install time. Screw that.

    The iPhone is better, but the above feature would vastly improve a typical use case for me, which is posting photos to Facebook. I don't trust Mark Zuckerberg with complete access to my photos or location every time I open the damn app, but I'm fine with giving that information for specific photos/locations I have selected to post publicly. Currently, the flow is:

    - Open Settings
    - Privacy
    - Location Services
    - Turn on FB
    - Back
    - Photos
    - Turn on FB
    - Go to FB app
    - Select and post photo with location
    - Go back to Settings
    - Privacy
    - Location Services
    - Turn off FB
    - Back
    - Photos
    - Turn off FB

    What a pain! And occasionally I forget to go back and turn off permissions, only to discover a few days later that Zuckerberg has been tracking my every move and uploading all my photos (my default assumption). Far better would be an OS-provided photo selection widget which only grants the app access to the specific photo(s) selected, and no others. And similarly an OS-provided dialog to allow the app to access my location right now and not again.

    This can't be hard to implement, but nobody cares!

  123. For organizational policies, specific software by raymorris · · Score: 1

    You wouldn't run Linux on Mac hardware, of course. If you like Linux, but Linux isn't appropriate / available in a particular situation, OSX is well worth looking at. Examples would be if you need to run specific software that is available for Windows and Mac but not Linux, or if your large organization supports Windows and Mac but not Linux. That would include any of the Adobe tools, AutoCAD, etc. Most of the time, probably 99.9% of the time, Linux has software that does what you need. However, if you actually have to run Adobe Flash CS6, Mac will run that along with whatever free software you're accustomed to from Linux.

    In my case, the agency I work for provides employees with Windows or Mac desktops. Linux isn't an option. Since I much prefer Linux but it wasn't an available choice, I chose Mac and I have no regrets. I pop open a bash shell and work just exactly as I do on Linux.

  124. My sis "accidentally" bought an iPhone, hated it. by caseih · · Score: 1

    After friends, coworkers, and sales people convinced her, my sister got a nice iPhone a year or so ago after having a crappy android phone for a couple of years. After one week she was so fed up with it. This was probably iOS 5 days. I'm sure things are better now but back then it had a hard time setting up her contacts and calendar to sync with Google. That and the lack of third-party keyboards caused her to give up on it and she exchanged it for a halfway decent Android phone which she quite likes. To this day she wonders why people can stand iPhones. To each his or her own.

    All this isn't to say that Android doesn't suck; rather it sucks in different ways that work better for some people. To me battery life on Android is still pretty crappy after all these years.

  125. Serendipitous Discovery? by Halster · · Score: 1

    Dear Tim,

    Many Android owners bought that platform deliberately. I don't see a resurgence in iPhone sales either so maybe their accidental discovery was more like a Penicillin kind of accident than say, a 'had a bad burrito' kind of accident. Or maybe they switched to Windows Phone after Android (haha... yeah I know, doesn't look like it).

    L8r.

    --

    "How much truth can advertising buy?" - iNsuRge - AK47
    1. Re:Serendipitous Discovery? by jo_ham · · Score: 1

      Dear Halster,

      Whoooooooooooooooooooooosh.

      Kind regards,

      Apple.

      (I assume you watched the video?)

  126. Re:It was a joke but perhaps true for some people by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

    That's true for about 80% of the "iPhones" you see on the subways in Shanghai. Take a peek on the screen - and it's running some version of Android. The case definitely looks like an iPhone, the dimensions and materials sure are iPhone-clones, even the home button is there - but it's running Android.

    The businessmen I know that have real iPhones (bought in the US or Hong Kong, usually - China Unicom was too expensive) use them simply for showing pictures. It's amazing that when their phone rings, they take out a DIFFERENT phone (nearly always Samsung at that) and answer the call - and send the text. Their iPhones seem to be restricted to picture-album use and status symbols - not actual, real-life-use smartphones.

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    Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
  127. China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    China has become a *very* status-concious country. If the "in" thing was an Android, and then became an iPhone, you will see a lot of wealthy Chinese switch just as a status thing.

  128. Comment was made in jest by mjdth · · Score: 1

    The comment was said in jest. He was obviously joking and it got a big laugh with the crowd. This story was either posted as flame-bait intentionally taking the quote out of context, or by someone who didn't watch the keynote. Separately, Apple didn't actually plan on calling it OS X 10.10 Weed.

  129. I agree with Tim by hemebond · · Score: 1

    I regret buying this Samsung Galaxy S5. I hate it. Nothing is done properly and it actually works poorly with my GNU/Linux desktop. I had an iPhone 4 and I should have upgraded to an iPhone 5; it was the same price.

  130. did anyone actually see the keynote? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you actually watched the keynote you would know that Tim didn't imply that the selection of Android wasn't intentional by his use of the word "mistake"
    It was simply a light-hearted jab implying they made a mistake, or in other words chose poorly.
    Calm down everyone.

  131. Tim Cook is a barner by reboot246 · · Score: 0

    That's what we call Auburn graduates and fans here in Alabama, and we call Auburn University a "Cow College".
    Basically, Tim Cook is full of shit.

    I bought a better phone than he sells and he knows it.

  132. Right.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well if we're using deceptive stats like that then ok.... the other half of purchasers of an iphone will be selling it on ebay to some poor chump that doesn't know any better and getting themselves a real piece of hardware. Something they can actually accomplish daily functions on without all kinds of proprietary nonsense stopping them from even the simplest of tasks. Not to mention the ridiculous amount of security problems the Iphones have had. There will always be those 2 kinds of people...one who is oblivious to technological fundamentals and buys a phone because they think it's "pretty" or they actually know what they're buying and choose to buy the superior piece of hardware...Same thing applies to home game consoles.

  133. Re:Wanted iPhone, got Android because it's cheaper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Some people also buy the cheaper product when they realise what a rip-off the alternative is.

  134. Mistake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A bought a $50 android phone by mistake
    I really wanted to buy a $500 Iphone

  135. Yeah, right by markdavis · · Score: 1

    >" 'They had bought an Android phone by mistake, and then had sought a better experience and a better life.' "

    No, what they PROBABLY did was buy a piece of s***, low-end, low-cost Android phone and hated the experience. And that should surprise nobody.

    Had they bought a Nexus 5, a Samsung Galaxy S4/5, an HTC One, an LG G2/3, etc, those same people would likely not be dumping it for an iphone.

    1. Re:Yeah, right by hemebond · · Score: 1

      I bought a Samsung Galaxy S5 to replace my iPhone 4 instead of buying an iPhone 5. They were the same price. I regret it completely.

  136. Jailbreaking is illegal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can jailbreak your phone and modify the functionality of iOS, too.

    You do realize that by jail-breaking a smartphone you are committing a felony under current (as of January 2013) "interpretations" of the DMCA's anti-circumvention sections right? First time offenders may be fined up to $500,000, imprisoned for five years, or both. For repeat offenders, the maximum penalty increases to a fine of $1,000,000, imprisonment for up to ten years, or both.

    www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2013/01/the-most-ridiculous-law-of-2013-so-far-it-is-now-a-crime-to-unlock-your-smartphone/272552/
    sayencrowolf.net/2013/01/wanna-jailbreak-your-phone-well-get-busy-as-of-tomorrow-its-a-felony/
    www.thetorontopost.net/2013/01/you-have-1-week-left-to-jailbreak-your.html
    Etc. etc. etc.

  137. RTFM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or in this case RTFPDF...

  138. Don't be stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I knew it was a joke. I also knew there'd be back-lash from the Anti-Apple, Pro-Android, and Pro-Microsoft crowds.

    People will be assholes, especially when you give them easy ammo like that.

  139. Re:It was a joke but perhaps true for some people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Something something fucking your mother because all Freud ever thought about was cocaine and fucking his mother.

  140. We didn't get an Android phone by mistake. by MtViewGuy · · Score: 1

    When Samsung rolled out the Galaxy S III in the spring of 2012, that phone once and for all showed Android phones could be _better_ than the iPhone of the day. 4.8" display, 2 GB RAM (on most models), replaceable battery and Micro SD card memory expansion was something iPhone users wished they had.

    Today, the Google (LG) Nexus 5 and the Motorola Moto X shows just how good "plain" Android can be now. Apple is just finally catching up with the rumored larger screen iPhone models due this fall.

  141. So true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Buying an Android phone is always a mistake.

  142. NO! by garote · · Score: 0

    Unregulated app installation is a matter of FUNDAMENTAL HUMAN RIGHTS! A consistent UI experience is ESSENTIAL FOR DEMOCRACY! Samsung is evil! Apple is evil! Google is evil! Google is the hero! Apple is the hero! Google is the underdog! Apple is a monopoly! Google is a monopoly! Samsung is a monopoly! (In apps / search / South Korea) ONE OF THEM IS EVIL AND SHOULD BE DESTROYED! The other(s) should be GLORIFIED!

    P.s. has anyone seen my schizophrenia meds?

  143. Re: It was a joke but perhaps true for some people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've seen this as well first hand in Thailand, Vietnam and China with iPhones a few years ago.

    Excellent quality counterfeit boxes, and what passes as an iPhone 4. The main external give-away was the full size SIM slot. The OS itself was a skinned version of 1.6, that looked pretty accurate until you drilled down about 3 levels.

    Pretty impressive effort overall.

  144. Re:It was a joke but perhaps true for some people by soccerisgod · · Score: 1

    Perhaps "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar" :>

    --
    If a train station is a place where a train stops, what's a workstation?
  145. No offense meant, but are you a dumbass? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't mean to offend you with this question, but I have to ask, are you a complete and utter dumbass?

    You "struggled" with Android on a Nexus 4? What exactly did you "struggle" with?

    And yet somehow you manage okay with iOS on an iPhone 4?

    Seriously, there are exceedingly minor differences when it comes to the hardware. So that shouldn't be what caused you problems.

    When it comes to software, iOS is pretty much just a subset of Android. You can do the same things with both, but Android generally gives you far more freedom, if you choose to use it. For example, do you want to install your own web browser with its own custom rendering engine? Android lets you do that.

    Do you have a problem with freedom, in general? Is it something that you consider to be a "misfeature"? Because that's the only thing I can possibly think of that would have caused you problems in this case. It's the main difference between Android and iOS these days; Android gives you freedom, iOS doesn't.

  146. Re:It was a joke but perhaps true for some people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Their iPhones seem to be restricted to picture-album use and status symbols - not actual, real-life-use smartphones.

    Or perhaps the iPhone is their personal phone, and the Samsung is their business phone, and you just see them use it for calls and texts because they receive more calls/texts for work them they do from friends/family. Since you claim to know these businessmen perhaps you could actually ask them, however I assume you haven't from the way you worded your comment.

  147. Re:It was a joke but perhaps true for some people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or maybe intentionally?
    Say what you will, but the iPhone is overpriced considering it's hardware and software, with a very solid brand. And because of that, people see it more as a status symbol, making it one of the reasons they buy it or it's cheap clones.

    Personally, I'm not impressed. I teach at a college, a lots of students using them, and one of the funniest bits I saw, was that they all had their own data cables with them.

    Oh, yes, I use Android on an HTC, but I mainly care about taking pictures, listening music, occasional chat and a few sudoku-like games, so I don't care either way.

  148. Whoosh by Cloud+K · · Score: 1

    Finally someone gets it.
    I know Apple are arrogant, but even they wouldn't be THAT bad, it's pretty funny that people are taking this little joke so seriously :P

  149. Anything made by apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is crapple.

    I will never ever buy an Apple product.

  150. Apple..... by doccus · · Score: 1

    ...LIES! (Rhymes with Apple pies)

  151. and you too can be stuck in Apple's hell hole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I'm an Android/Windows guy. My wife and kids have iPhones (they don't tinker). I bought my wife a 10' cord so she can use the device while charging in bed. Simple enough, right? The f'in cable won't charge the phone because it is "unauthorized." Give me a f'in break. What a joke. It is a cable with the Lightning connection. Apple can suck it!

    1. Re:and you too can be stuck in Apple's hell hole by iamacat · · Score: 1

      What's wrong with extension USB cords?

  152. Slashdot clickbait by MooseMiester · · Score: 1

    The only headline that will garner more clicks than an Apple .vs. the Galaxy story is one on global warming/cooling/climate change er disruption whatever.

    --
    Murphy was an optimist
  153. Didn't we deal with this in FL a few years back? by bkcallahan · · Score: 1

    Guess Apple thinks Android has chad...

  154. Re:I wouldn't read too much into Cook's comments.. by david_thornley · · Score: 1

    Last time I used Google Maps, it wanted me to sign in. I went back to Apple's app, even though it doesn't work as well. My personal paranoia, YMMV.

    --
    "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
  155. Clumsiness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Clumsy me,

    Not only have I made this mistake no less than 5 times (2 phones, 3 tablets), I see no way of avoiding making this mistake a 6th time when I need a new phone.

    Aren't I just /feckless/?

  156. As an audiophile... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...I have to laugh at people who think that either Android or iOS is better than the other. Or even different. If you don't compare the two in a double-blind test, any perceived differences are nothing but confirmation error.

  157. iPhone = Plague by mgcarley · · Score: 1

    Whenever I've gone to a store looking for a phone, I make it a point to avoid the iSection because I don't want to get any on me.

    Last time (less than 3 weeks ago, as it happens) a $CARRIER employee asked "Why not get an iPhone?" when I was clearly looking at Androids, I told him I couldn't take him seriously and waited for another employee who would sell me what I wanted.

    So no, I don't believe it was a mistake for a large percentage of people - the customers were probably (in their minds) "graduating" to the top-of-the-line flagship carrier device after having had a feature phone, a low-end smartphone (probably Android) and then a higher end smartphone (probably a better Android) every 2-ish years for the last few contract terms... the kind of people with not a great deal of money to spend so they kind of have to prove to themselves that yes, they can handle having a $700 smartphone (but who still buy the el-cheapo sub-$500 laptops at Wal-Mart and load them up with more malware than I can shake a USB-stick at).

    Were they **really** satisfied? Well, chances are the marketing survey was taken while the phone was new, so, in comparison to their old phone, yes, it's going to score 4 or 5 stars. Ask the same people half-way in to their contracts and the results are probably not nearly as pleasing.

    --
    Founder & COO, Hayai India (hayai.in) / USA (hayaibroadband.com) // t: @mgcarley
  158. Otherwise! by CHIT2ME · · Score: 0

    Otherwise, all those buying an iPhone are MAKING a mistake!!!

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    My karma is bad. Don't get too close!!!
  159. The Convenience of Data by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Of course it would have nothing to do with T-Mobile starting to carry the iPhone last year, as well as offering their payoff plan to reduce upfront costs on the new, expensive tech. Nah.

  160. I love my iPhone by adam.ainsworth · · Score: 1

    I realise that I'm likely to get shot down here... I had an Android phone for nearly five years before jumping ship to the iPhone 5s in November, and I have to say, I absolutely love it. With the rise of Android tablets, my need for a customisable phone diminished. I just wanted something that worked well and was reliable, and I have to say, ti's a wonderful piece of kit. Five years ago, I was a massive Apple sceptic, and saw Google as the paragon of virtue. It is arguably the other way around nowadays. Google cannot be trusted with any of your data anymore, since they make money by selling and exploiting it. On the other hand, Apple are expensive for a reason, and don't need to use such underhand tactics.

  161. Re:I wouldn't read too much into Cook's comments.. by Shadowmist · · Score: 1

    Last time I used Google Maps, it wanted me to sign in. I went back to Apple's app, even though it doesn't work as well. My personal paranoia, YMMV.

    Google maps wants you to sign in so that you can access your personal lists of bookmarks and places. It's a very useful feature for quickly plotting travel times and routes to frequent places you want to go. I make heavy use of it for public transit. Your personal paranoia is barring your own access to a handy utility. Are they using this data to keep track of your shopping preferences, probably. Do I give a flipping damm? No.

  162. Android is the work of the devil ... by timothy · · Score: 1

    And this is the 666th comment on the thread, just to drive that point home.

    Maybe one thing that Steve Jobs gave to Tim Cook is a bit of the old Reality Distortion Field Elixer, from which he's serving himself something like Pan-Galactic Gargle-Blasters.

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    jrnl: http://tinyurl.com/c2l8yr / foes: http://tinyurl.com/ckjno5
  163. Sounds like Tim Cook can become even richer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Good lord, he's joking. Watch the presentation, there was a lot of goofiness like that in it, and the line got a laugh as I recall.

  164. Yeah right.... I think he has it backwards. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He is living in his own "little" Apple world.....

  165. Wrong context by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is pretty obvious flamebait by slashdot. If you watch the keynote it was obviously intended as a joke.

  166. Fleeing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bassackwards...smartphones for smart people, iphones for trendy people. In reality those who have experienced both flee to Android from iphone. It isn't even close. Android ha\s 73% of world market sales for 2013, how can Apple hope to claim superiority when the consumer has clearly spoken???

  167. iPhone: "Sorry I can't help you with that" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have one of each. The mistake was the iPhone. Compared to my Android I hate it and rarely use it. Siri has never worked for me. All it ever says is "Sorry I can't help you with that." My iPhone bricks itself occasionally because it never will update its software. I use it for my work email and nothing more. It won't even call my voicemail unless I dial my own number. My Android is used for about 5 other email accounts including Google and Yahoo!, and accepts the voice command "call my voicemail" and does it without an argument. Perhaps I should stop cussing at Siri and maybe she will be more helpful. Frankly her tone of voice pisses me off.

  168. In other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And some of us never went back. There's a bottle of Pepsi Max sitting beside my chair right now.

  169. Not true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I love my iPhone, but sorry, dude. I loved my Android phones even more. It was just that I got a deal I couldn't pass up on a used iPhone that I bought from eBay, at the same time I was changing back to Verizon as a cell phone customer. I didn't make a mistake owning an Android, and I can tell you that after being an iPhone user for a year, I don't ever check the app store for anything, unless it's a specific app I hear or read about and decide to download. With the Android, I would spend at least 10-15 minutes every day scanning the app store to see what new programs were available. I was always impressed with what I found. Even when the apps didn't quite work right, and this is going back at least seven years, they were still impressive, mainly because most of these apps were being created by individuals in their garage or their mother's basement, and the level of creativity and inventiveness was astounding.

    With the iPhone, what you have is a closed app world, which is both good and bad. The cost of becoming an app developer for the iPhone as well as the screening process for each app, keeps out the riff raff and the scammers creating malware, but it also keeps out the genius who is living in his mother's basement and cranking out unbelievably impressive apps. The dude who lives in his mother's basement probably doesn't have the financial, social or tech industry connections to get hooked up properly with Apple as a developer. So he stays with the Android platform, where crazy goofy apps are still wanted and encouraged.

  170. Re:Consumers are ^&@** idiots. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    LOLOLOLOL
    I think I'm the only one here that understood all of that. Awesome.

    You win the internetz for today, sir.

  171. In other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not only that. Those would-be Coca-Cola customers are ripping mad about it. Who knew that a cup saying Pepsi would contain... Pepsi??

    Laywers are planning class-action lawsuits, politicians are conducting hearings, and Fox has a Live--Breaking News special report!

  172. The rest of the story by Duggeek · · Score: 1

    Anyone think of the percentage of iPhone adopters that switch to Android? Those numbers are conspicuously absent. I doubt they did any follow-up for iPhone "consumer corrections" to see how many later dropped iPhone and went back.

    And they say Microsoft "drinks the kool-ade" on their own products. Seems like both camps have a strange brew now. However in this respect, Apple has some serious catching up to do.

    If the rumors are true, then we'll get to see who can make the better "geez I feel like I'm going to break this thing it's so thin" device for 2015.

    Still waiting for the bluetooth, bio-powered, wetware interface cartilage implant accessory. (stereo, please)

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  173. Is the world about to end? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Must be - gmhowell actually posted more than a 1 line fart reply with 5 single syllable words in it for once vs. his usual "See Dick and Jane Run".