But that's not what they are doing. They are coming up with an OS that will work on most PC hardware. The OS can be downloaded by people savvy enough to install it on there own. The Steam box is for the "console" gamer who really like GameX that is only available on Steam. So they buy the box from Valve.
The question really becomes whether or not the game developers will actually follow Valve into Linux. If they do I can see some PC vendors offering a computer with the option of the SteamOS much like Dell has done from time to time with Ubuntu. Remember they can still sell the same hardware as a Windows machine so it's not like they are stuck with hardware that can only run SteamOS. What else could you have used 3DO hardware for at that time? I see this as much less risk. So it hasn't quite been done like this. But, I do see your point.
But then we'd have to worry about the photons from our tail lights. No, I think the answer here it to also put headlights on the back of the car to equalize the forces.
Oh great! Now I can't get those scenes from Octopussy out of my head. You know the opening when they chase the clown though the woods that has the Fabergé egg. Or the end when Bond, dressed as a clown, tries to convince a general that there is a nuclear bomb in the "cannon."
About the same time I started. Even bought the boxed version of Red Hat to have some extra docs to get me moving.....
Red Hat -> Fedora -> Suse -> ubuntu -> mint -> xubuntu.
Currently I have OS-X, Xubuntu, and Windows 7 up and running and did a Mint with Cinnamon on an old machine yesterday to take another look at where they are going with that.
I do it all the time for upgrades for my kids. I just use Mint or Ubuntu. Boot it up from the CD and use gparted to copy the partition from the old drive to the new one. You then only have to have windows "fix" the boot parameters. May not work as fast as the old DOS version of Ghost. But it sure is a hell of a lot easier.
Vel Hogan: Oh. We read. First off, before closing arguments was given, the judge read to us the final instructions, instruction by instruction. Then she allowed the closing arguments, then she dismissed us. And so we had those closing argue..., those ah, instructions and we had them open there and then we took patent by patent and got hung upon the first one but the day was almost over by then and so I said to the jury, *******>>>>>>>>>>>>"We're not going to allow ourselves to get hung up. We're going to, if we find a debate like this, we'll move on. We'll do the simplest things first.” So then when I came back the next day...
Or you could, you know, not allow the monopoly PC OS vendor to control the keys that allow the system to boot competing OS's.
Fedora/Redhat could create their own keys. But is was specifically states in the article that they didn't want to take advantage of their dominance (and then have you asking why only 2 major players can own the hardware) so they are going to let MS sign a bootloader stub.
Now I don't about you but if someone in my family buys a computer that isn't a Mac it *will* have windows on it and if they want something else or windows needs to be reinstalled I will have to do it. If I can trust them to even reinstall windows why would I ask them to turn off secure boot? If it came to the point that secure boot would need to be turned off I would be the one doing it.
I can accept what they are doing. More likely than not the other major Linux players will follow suit. Do you think any of the big players are going to try to work with getting their key on every piece of hardware if they can pay MS $99? From a business perspective it makes the most sense for a main stream distro. Smaller distros aren't the ones that a novice would try and therefore could just warn a potential user that disabling secure boot is required.
To this end I think we maybe putting the cart before the horse. Since this is not an official statement from Redhat or Fedora and we still cannot be 100% sure how all this will shake out in the end. It is just one possible scenario based on someone who claims to work for Redhat and work on the Fedora project. Might be best for all of us to just to take a deep breath and wait for something official.
I will only disagree with the "most popular" part of that statement as the Commodore 64, though late to the party, sold considerably more units during its shorter run (1982 - 1994) and thus would be the more popular of the two. Apple II series sold ~6million units during its run and the C64 sold ~17million. But when all is said and done the 1st computer I ever used was an apple ][ and it was the reason I fell in love with computers. So it is not the most important "home personal computer" it is on a very short list.
Ahh Voice....We had apple ][+'s and//e's in my school...crap I dating my self now...and I remember running SAM (Software Automated Mouth) on them. Needless to say as a Jr. High student we were basically just have fun making it curse. At home we would use my C64 and SAM to make prank phone calls. We were all such rebels then.
The DMV does not actually police. Yes they are a state agency but if your vehicle is stolen do you *want* the DMV to issue plates to the person that stole the car? If you file a police report because your phone is stolen do you want the thief to get service on your device? I under stand the difference between the two and would not have used a car as an analogy. I am however smart enough to not debate politics accept to say yes we do have enough problems already.
A cell phone is different because it requires service and the service provider has knowledge of both the theft (you wouldn't want them calling all round the world on your dime) and the unique identifier of the phone. If some one steals my VCR...well lets face it....good for them. I'm not even sure it still works;-) But really....if they stole some piece of electronics gear I do actually care about I would hope they took something I had actually written down the serial number of. I would then, upon reporting the break in to the police, give them a list of the serial numbers I had for the stolen property. The police would then supply that information to pawn shops in an attempt to eliminate a possible avenue for the thieves to relieve them selves of their stolen goods.
Granted the thieves will most likely turn to the grey market of Craig's List and/or eBay to rid them selves of the stolen property they do not intend to use or keep. If they do keep it it's not like they need to call some provider to make it work.
No lets look at the 2nd point. AT&T, or any provider, should require a police report. If you had sold the phone and the next person attempts to get service and is blocked by AT&T they will then have to prove they purchased the phone or risk jail time. So, for the sake of argument let us say it was easy for them to prove they bought it from the original owner. This puts the seller/owner in a bit of a pickle. See the police are now going to knock on his door and take them to the police station where they will have to answer for filing a false police report.
More likely the seller will be the thief. Since the grey markets will have a record (IP of the poster, email addresses, phone numbers, paypal info, etc) they will need to find alternate ways to sell it. This makes it harder for the thieves to sell the phones and makes them less likely to want to steal the phones.
And on that note why did we also limit this to the iPhone?
My guess if AT&T has probably sold the most iPhones and they are the phone that sells for the highest premium making high on the list of phones for thieves who can then try to sell them through grey markets like Craig's List or eBay. Thus it makes it the most ripe for a lawyer to take a class action suit since they too are in it only for the profit as well.
Really? Ever heard of a service called "On-Star?" When you climb out from under your rock head down to the nearest GM dealership and ask them about the benefits of On-Star should your new GM ever get stolen. Granted they charge a premium for this after the first year. But during that first year the manufacturer (GM) will track down your stolen car, disable it from running, and alert the police of its location.
I should also point out that AT&T did not manufacture the phone, Apple did. AT&T is more akin to the DMV and everyone else has already set you straight on the fact that the DMV will *NOT* allow a stolen vehicle to be registered.
You may now open your mouth and insert your foot.
I think you missed the point. They are recouping the fees charged by Visa and Master Card. Those fees have recently increased by the way. This is way you can still pay on line for *FREE* if you pay though your checking account. This is also why most of the smaller restaurants in my area and I'm sure other areas of the US have $10 and $20 minimums for credit cards. It is also why my uncle, who was also a small business owner, did like it when people paid with credit cards. You really should look into where this money goes before judging verizon to harshly for trying to get some of that money back. I for one will continue to pay online as I always have. Through my checking account that they already have stored on their server.
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But that's not what they are doing. They are coming up with an OS that will work on most PC hardware. The OS can be downloaded by people savvy enough to install it on there own. The Steam box is for the "console" gamer who really like GameX that is only available on Steam. So they buy the box from Valve.
The question really becomes whether or not the game developers will actually follow Valve into Linux. If they do I can see some PC vendors offering a computer with the option of the SteamOS much like Dell has done from time to time with Ubuntu. Remember they can still sell the same hardware as a Windows machine so it's not like they are stuck with hardware that can only run SteamOS. What else could you have used 3DO hardware for at that time? I see this as much less risk. So it hasn't quite been done like this. But, I do see your point.
But then we'd have to worry about the photons from our tail lights. No, I think the answer here it to also put headlights on the back of the car to equalize the forces.
Oh great! Now I can't get those scenes from Octopussy out of my head. You know the opening when they chase the clown though the woods that has the Fabergé egg. Or the end when Bond, dressed as a clown, tries to convince a general that there is a nuclear bomb in the "cannon."
http://www.npr.org/2009/12/31/122114058/the-loudness-wars-why-music-sounds-worse?sc=nl&cc=mn-20100102
It's not that it's more pure. It's that vinyl is usually mastered correctly and thus sounds better.
Labs full of Apple][ computers. They "taught" BASIC and Apple PASCAL. We did so much more on our own including dabbling in 6502 assembly.
About the same time I started. Even bought the boxed version of Red Hat to have some extra docs to get me moving.....
Red Hat -> Fedora -> Suse -> ubuntu -> mint -> xubuntu.
Currently I have OS-X, Xubuntu, and Windows 7 up and running and did a Mint with Cinnamon on an old machine yesterday to take another look at where they are going with that.
I do it all the time for upgrades for my kids. I just use Mint or Ubuntu. Boot it up from the CD and use gparted to copy the partition from the old drive to the new one. You then only have to have windows "fix" the boot parameters. May not work as fast as the old DOS version of Ghost. But it sure is a hell of a lot easier.
Funny....I found it. How did you miss it?
Vel Hogan: Oh. We read. First off, before closing arguments was given, the judge read to us the final instructions, instruction by instruction. Then she allowed the closing arguments, then she dismissed us. And so we had those closing argue..., those ah, instructions and we had them open there and then we took patent by patent and got hung upon the first one but the day was almost over by then and so I said to the jury, *******>>>>>>>>>>>>"We're not going to allow ourselves to get hung up. We're going to, if we find a debate like this, we'll move on. We'll do the simplest things first.” So then when I came back the next day...
Or you could, you know, not allow the monopoly PC OS vendor to control the keys that allow the system to boot competing OS's.
Fedora/Redhat could create their own keys. But is was specifically states in the article that they didn't want to take advantage of their dominance (and then have you asking why only 2 major players can own the hardware) so they are going to let MS sign a bootloader stub.
Now I don't about you but if someone in my family buys a computer that isn't a Mac it *will* have windows on it and if they want something else or windows needs to be reinstalled I will have to do it. If I can trust them to even reinstall windows why would I ask them to turn off secure boot? If it came to the point that secure boot would need to be turned off I would be the one doing it.
I can accept what they are doing. More likely than not the other major Linux players will follow suit. Do you think any of the big players are going to try to work with getting their key on every piece of hardware if they can pay MS $99? From a business perspective it makes the most sense for a main stream distro. Smaller distros aren't the ones that a novice would try and therefore could just warn a potential user that disabling secure boot is required.
To this end I think we maybe putting the cart before the horse. Since this is not an official statement from Redhat or Fedora and we still cannot be 100% sure how all this will shake out in the end. It is just one possible scenario based on someone who claims to work for Redhat and work on the Fedora project. Might be best for all of us to just to take a deep breath and wait for something official.
I think you're on to something. So when they order 3 cheeseburgers and 2 large fries it must be that 64oz diet coke that made them fat.
Welcome to the return of the Pinkertons.
Now you've done it. If the media companies reads this they are going to find out there is more than 1 torrent site.
They must have made a change to the matrix.
I will only disagree with the "most popular" part of that statement as the Commodore 64, though late to the party, sold considerably more units during its shorter run (1982 - 1994) and thus would be the more popular of the two. Apple II series sold ~6million units during its run and the C64 sold ~17million. But when all is said and done the 1st computer I ever used was an apple ][ and it was the reason I fell in love with computers. So it is not the most important "home personal computer" it is on a very short list.
Ahh Voice....We had apple ][+'s and //e's in my school...crap I dating my self now...and I remember running SAM (Software Automated Mouth) on them. Needless to say as a Jr. High student we were basically just have fun making it curse. At home we would use my C64 and SAM to make prank phone calls. We were all such rebels then.
The DMV does not actually police. Yes they are a state agency but if your vehicle is stolen do you *want* the DMV to issue plates to the person that stole the car? If you file a police report because your phone is stolen do you want the thief to get service on your device? I under stand the difference between the two and would not have used a car as an analogy. I am however smart enough to not debate politics accept to say yes we do have enough problems already.
A cell phone is different because it requires service and the service provider has knowledge of both the theft (you wouldn't want them calling all round the world on your dime) and the unique identifier of the phone. If some one steals my VCR...well lets face it....good for them. I'm not even sure it still works ;-) But really....if they stole some piece of electronics gear I do actually care about I would hope they took something I had actually written down the serial number of. I would then, upon reporting the break in to the police, give them a list of the serial numbers I had for the stolen property. The police would then supply that information to pawn shops in an attempt to eliminate a possible avenue for the thieves to relieve them selves of their stolen goods.
Granted the thieves will most likely turn to the grey market of Craig's List and/or eBay to rid them selves of the stolen property they do not intend to use or keep. If they do keep it it's not like they need to call some provider to make it work.
No lets look at the 2nd point. AT&T, or any provider, should require a police report. If you had sold the phone and the next person attempts to get service and is blocked by AT&T they will then have to prove they purchased the phone or risk jail time. So, for the sake of argument let us say it was easy for them to prove they bought it from the original owner. This puts the seller/owner in a bit of a pickle. See the police are now going to knock on his door and take them to the police station where they will have to answer for filing a false police report.
More likely the seller will be the thief. Since the grey markets will have a record (IP of the poster, email addresses, phone numbers, paypal info, etc) they will need to find alternate ways to sell it. This makes it harder for the thieves to sell the phones and makes them less likely to want to steal the phones.
And on that note why did we also limit this to the iPhone?
My guess if AT&T has probably sold the most iPhones and they are the phone that sells for the highest premium making high on the list of phones for thieves who can then try to sell them through grey markets like Craig's List or eBay. Thus it makes it the most ripe for a lawyer to take a class action suit since they too are in it only for the profit as well.
Really? Ever heard of a service called "On-Star?" When you climb out from under your rock head down to the nearest GM dealership and ask them about the benefits of On-Star should your new GM ever get stolen. Granted they charge a premium for this after the first year. But during that first year the manufacturer (GM) will track down your stolen car, disable it from running, and alert the police of its location. I should also point out that AT&T did not manufacture the phone, Apple did. AT&T is more akin to the DMV and everyone else has already set you straight on the fact that the DMV will *NOT* allow a stolen vehicle to be registered. You may now open your mouth and insert your foot.
I think you missed the point. They are recouping the fees charged by Visa and Master Card. Those fees have recently increased by the way. This is way you can still pay on line for *FREE* if you pay though your checking account. This is also why most of the smaller restaurants in my area and I'm sure other areas of the US have $10 and $20 minimums for credit cards. It is also why my uncle, who was also a small business owner, did like it when people paid with credit cards. You really should look into where this money goes before judging verizon to harshly for trying to get some of that money back. I for one will continue to pay online as I always have. Through my checking account that they already have stored on their server.
Joshua came to the same conclusions for Tic-Tac-Toe and Global Thermal Nuclear War.