money = votes, so if you are a rich corp, you are automagically a majority
I beg to academically differ if i may
Money != votes....at least not the peoples votes and not directly. It requires our collective consent before translating into actual votes.
Money = advertising and influence Influence/lobbying equals politician's votes surely Advertising equals influence over sheeple , who then do indeed vote as directed (when bothering to take time from the cud).
So money ends up influencing votes in the most egregious way. But if people were to decide that it was time to end corruption and vote the bastards out in favor of real public servants, we could technically retire a sizable portion of congress in one fell swoop. And if we collectively put emphasis on getting educated about issues, thus making informed choices on our own ballot selections rather than allowing political advertising to hold such sway, there is nothing sort of mayhem that big $ could do about it.
OK, "yeah, right,...likely." is the response to that,...but the point still holds....we collectively consent to this mess. And we should never take that failure out of the equation. You're point that they become some manor of "majority" is taken, they are certainly trumping the people's business to an ridiculous and disgusting extreme. But they are a "majority" because we allow it.
I stand corrected sir, good information and your point does make sense now....and my apologies!
i would then put forth that the problem isn't just 'government' but perhaps more appropriately, 'large systems' of which american government is certainly one of the biggest. It's a minor quibble based on what I now understand your point to be, but one I think is important in this day and age.
Stupidity is exponential. Living with 4 people in a house is tough...living with 300 million........
The medical and legal professions are the most IT challenged disciplines I've ever seen, but that may be largely due to excessive gov't regulation.
You obviously have little experience in education.
....oh, and your politics are showing...IT challenge is related to gov't regulation how? And please do tell how this unspoken rational outweighs simply being cash strapped and crisis focused?....ok, not as sexy as knee-jerk rant against the "gob'met"...carry on with that
Off on a complete tangent....
Since I am still shooting even when I can see myself doing it, is it really a 3rd person shooter? I mean I suppose if it was you instead of I shooting, or even if'n you join me in shooting, we could get it up to a 2nd person shooter.
But one would kind of require some random dude on ur screenz to honestly go wit 3rd person.
Or perhaps I need to drink a beer and kill a mob of mobbed up mobs.
As I hope would I, but are you honestly saying that most people would as well? or would they take offense at being lectured too?
As much as we all want to believe we'd be ever so enlightened in viewing such an event with an honest introspection, it's human nature to take offense when someone outside the tribe bitchslaps you.
Just consider how you would react if a group of Chinese "hacktavists" defaced a bunch of local sites in order to bring our attention to the issues in our system. What a wonderful benefit that would be right?
Wrong
This is doing exactly zero good as far as I can see, and probably is doing some damage to the very cause they appear to be championing.
You give the Chinese people way too little credit. Remmber Tiananmen Square? The Chinese do.
Yeah but most of them "remember" only what the party line was. I dated a gal from China a few years back who was a quite intelligent and reasonable individual living in the west, and she was quite perplexed by the western "portrayal" of that incident....remember that they aren't seeing what you and I are seeing, even when it's inside their own country.
Yes. Now wouldn't it be great if we could share links to a coordinate and zoom level? They kind of missed one big detail to make this more useful.
ftfy
Let's give credit where it's due. That's quite a picture as is. I found it quite entertaining my self. Would be nice to have a share-able coordinate system though. perhaps you would put that together then?
I agree with your point that this is a bad idea, but would take it much farther by saying we get in plenty of fatal accidents on the ground. From drunk driving to other mischief to just plain bad luck. 2D is plenty dangerous. Adding a 3rd D to this mess would be a colossal #$&^ up, and not just on the road. Sitting at home having a nice lunch, when all of a sudden.....
As someone learning web development, I am sick and tired of supporting old versions of IE on **** and it would just die already if people stopped supporting it....
Marketing assumes that the marketer has a vested interest in molding the marketees perception to their own. The actual facts are somewhat to completely academic.
Education starts with the facts and in a perfect world avoids bias.
Marketing reps for drug manufacturers are educators only what their product actually factually beneficial. When that becomes tenuous, their bread is still buttered on the side of their employers. the same goes for TV advertising.
I believe the following actually fits in with an aspect of the parent post, it does appear parent is making the case that Leonardo's scrap suffers from Celebrity over talent. God knows that can be and often is rampant to absurdity...and while I agree with the majority of sentiment here, I wish to make two addenda.
Leonardo was more than a painter. He is well established as a multi-disciplined master, and a true genius. The quintessential renaissance man.
Few artists scribbles have provided such insight into the very thinking and process of said genius.
[shrug]...A scrap of a sketch by Leonardo often really [i]is[/i] a treasure in it's own right.
Think about this seriously, don't try and play Internet Toughguy and say "Of course I'd do it! Fuck da' police!" Would you really? Or would you act in your own interests?
Or more to the point, act in your children's best interest, which come to think of it is probably what you should have been acting in in the first place
There are several choices involved that are all on the watcher. The first being to get educated and lead to discern when addressed by advertising. Some where in there is the ability to choose not to watch or read channels or magazines that go too far for your sensibilities.
were we should be applying community influence is in education, both arming us against advertising of all types and in our ability to choose healthy foods and exercise activities. that of course is a short list.
The monk says: "You are rightly upset that you could not stay calm. It is important to not lose ones temper and stay in the moment, and hatred is a bad motivation. So next time, if he acts up again, remain calm and maintain your inner peace. And hit him over the head again, as apparently that is the language he understands."
I have always felt that we're going to get a bit dirty here. Certainly the 60's the tail end of which I had a ringside seat was anything but pure in the methods that rolled into the great inertia. The Weather underground. The Pathers. Malcom. Hell, I was at Altamont and I can assure you it was one sorry mess. and Kennedy and King where not perfect human beings. It's just that their actions and ideals where far more important than any human flaws.
that's not the case with Anon for me. They are in it for the wrong reasons as a very general statement.
I think where we may differ, at least by degree is with regard to how much of the warts get a free pass and a hearty pat on the back. No myths. No false prophets. And BS gets called out. No free pass on fundamental flaws in motivation and execution just because feathers get ruffled on a bureaucratic/system in disparate need of overhaul. We need change of a higher order....but I won't pass on change of an incremental nature in the right direction, I just won't call it holy and righteous.
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money = votes, so if you are a rich corp, you are automagically a majority
I beg to academically differ if i may
Money != votes....at least not the peoples votes and not directly. It requires our collective consent before translating into actual votes.
Money = advertising and influence
Influence/lobbying equals politician's votes surely
Advertising equals influence over sheeple , who then do indeed vote as directed (when bothering to take time from the cud).
So money ends up influencing votes in the most egregious way. But if people were to decide that it was time to end corruption and vote the bastards out in favor of real public servants, we could technically retire a sizable portion of congress in one fell swoop. And if we collectively put emphasis on getting educated about issues, thus making informed choices on our own ballot selections rather than allowing political advertising to hold such sway, there is nothing sort of mayhem that big $ could do about it.
OK, "yeah, right,...likely." is the response to that,...but the point still holds....we collectively consent to this mess. And we should never take that failure out of the equation. You're point that they become some manor of "majority" is taken, they are certainly trumping the people's business to an ridiculous and disgusting extreme. But they are a "majority" because we allow it.
stuff ain't people
I stand corrected sir, good information and your point does make sense now....and my apologies!
i would then put forth that the problem isn't just 'government' but perhaps more appropriately, 'large systems' of which american government is certainly one of the biggest. It's a minor quibble based on what I now understand your point to be, but one I think is important in this day and age.
Stupidity is exponential. Living with 4 people in a house is tough...living with 300 million........
The medical and legal professions are the most IT challenged disciplines I've ever seen, but that may be largely due to excessive gov't regulation.
You obviously have little experience in education.
....oh, and your politics are showing...IT challenge is related to gov't regulation how? And please do tell how this unspoken rational outweighs simply being cash strapped and crisis focused?....ok, not as sexy as knee-jerk rant against the "gob'met"...carry on with that
Off on a complete tangent.... Since I am still shooting even when I can see myself doing it, is it really a 3rd person shooter? I mean I suppose if it was you instead of I shooting, or even if'n you join me in shooting, we could get it up to a 2nd person shooter. But one would kind of require some random dude on ur screenz to honestly go wit 3rd person. Or perhaps I need to drink a beer and kill a mob of mobbed up mobs.
dumb crap like that is what makes our world a worse place...
You need to watch a little CK http://www.maniacworld.com/we-have-white-people-problems.html
yes, but mining the vodka is a sticking point
As I hope would I, but are you honestly saying that most people would as well? or would they take offense at being lectured too?
As much as we all want to believe we'd be ever so enlightened in viewing such an event with an honest introspection, it's human nature to take offense when someone outside the tribe bitchslaps you.
Just consider how you would react if a group of Chinese "hacktavists" defaced a bunch of local sites in order to bring our attention to the issues in our system. What a wonderful benefit that would be right?
Wrong
This is doing exactly zero good as far as I can see, and probably is doing some damage to the very cause they appear to be championing.
You give the Chinese people way too little credit. Remmber Tiananmen Square? The Chinese do.
Yeah but most of them "remember" only what the party line was. I dated a gal from China a few years back who was a quite intelligent and reasonable individual living in the west, and she was quite perplexed by the western "portrayal" of that incident. ...remember that they aren't seeing what you and I are seeing, even when it's inside their own country.
Yes. Now wouldn't it be great if we could share links to a coordinate and zoom level? They kind of missed one big detail to make this more useful.
ftfy Let's give credit where it's due. That's quite a picture as is. I found it quite entertaining my self. Would be nice to have a share-able coordinate system though. perhaps you would put that together then?
I agree with your point that this is a bad idea, but would take it much farther by saying we get in plenty of fatal accidents on the ground. From drunk driving to other mischief to just plain bad luck. 2D is plenty dangerous. Adding a 3rd D to this mess would be a colossal #$&^ up, and not just on the road. Sitting at home having a nice lunch, when all of a sudden.....
... a wingman joke in here somehwere.....
and at what % of people who are not actually entering the country does this stop being a rationally acceptable excuse?
BILLyuns upon BILLyuns
FTFY
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Sagan#Billions_and_billions
As someone learning web development, I am sick and tired of supporting old versions of IE on **** and it would just die already if people stopped supporting it. ...
LOL...the more things change....
Marketing assumes that the marketer has a vested interest in molding the marketees perception to their own. The actual facts are somewhat to completely academic.
Education starts with the facts and in a perfect world avoids bias.
Marketing reps for drug manufacturers are educators only what their product actually factually beneficial. When that becomes tenuous, their bread is still buttered on the side of their employers. the same goes for TV advertising.
In short, Education is incidental in marketing.
yes but the rub is that the DaVinci is far from a certainty. A Vasari in the hand as it were....
I believe the following actually fits in with an aspect of the parent post, it does appear parent is making the case that Leonardo's scrap suffers from Celebrity over talent. God knows that can be and often is rampant to absurdity...and while I agree with the majority of sentiment here, I wish to make two addenda.
Leonardo was more than a painter. He is well established as a multi-disciplined master, and a true genius. The quintessential renaissance man.
Few artists scribbles have provided such insight into the very thinking and process of said genius.
[shrug]...A scrap of a sketch by Leonardo often really [i]is[/i] a treasure in it's own right.
Think about this seriously, don't try and play Internet Toughguy and say "Of course I'd do it! Fuck da' police!" Would you really? Or would you act in your own interests?
Or more to the point, act in your children's best interest, which come to think of it is probably what you should have been acting in in the first place
It's not a zero sum game
Bankers may earn contempt without making any behavior that attacks them golden.
actually yes, really
There are several choices involved that are all on the watcher. The first being to get educated and lead to discern when addressed by advertising. Some where in there is the ability to choose not to watch or read channels or magazines that go too far for your sensibilities.
were we should be applying community influence is in education, both arming us against advertising of all types and in our ability to choose healthy foods and exercise activities. that of course is a short list.
Thought that read "We need a nom" nm
The monk says: "You are rightly upset that you could not stay calm. It is important to not lose ones temper and stay in the moment, and hatred is a bad motivation. So next time, if he acts up again, remain calm and maintain your inner peace. And hit him over the head again, as apparently that is the language he understands."
Love it! Thanks. Great way to start the day.
Could be Tom, could be.
I have always felt that we're going to get a bit dirty here. Certainly the 60's the tail end of which I had a ringside seat was anything but pure in the methods that rolled into the great inertia. The Weather underground. The Pathers. Malcom. Hell, I was at Altamont and I can assure you it was one sorry mess. and Kennedy and King where not perfect human beings. It's just that their actions and ideals where far more important than any human flaws.
that's not the case with Anon for me. They are in it for the wrong reasons as a very general statement.
I think where we may differ, at least by degree is with regard to how much of the warts get a free pass and a hearty pat on the back. No myths. No false prophets. And BS gets called out. No free pass on fundamental flaws in motivation and execution just because feathers get ruffled on a bureaucratic/system in disparate need of overhaul. We need change of a higher order....but I won't pass on change of an incremental nature in the right direction, I just won't call it holy and righteous.
Appreciate the good discussion brother!