If I recall correctly isn't PA the state with the ever burning coal mine fire? I think it was called Centrailia or something. Let's open up college campuses to mining as well. I'm sure putting a mine on the same property as drunk frat boys is a brilliant plan.
I know they are two separate items. But around here they are definitely intertwined a majority of the time...if anything I think being poor should be a 3rd item separate from the culture (rims'n'rap as you put it) and work ethics/no common sense.
I give everyone a chance. But I was giving my observation from my experience. Sadly the items tend to be intertwined in my case. I was always taught in school to dress for success...coming to work or an interview with your pants hanging off off your #$! does not cut it (that goes for anyone as I see this everywhere these days). But also coming to an interview and expecting that I won't ask you to work hard doesn't cut it either. You are here to work at the company's schedule...not yours. If two people come interview with one dressed liked he just got off a set at BET or MTV or VH1 for the latest puff daddy music video who asks me how much time I get off and a guy in a suit who asks how many hours a week do I get....I'm gonna go with the guy in the suit. For one...dressing for success (no matter who the interview is for...I wore a suit to my McDonalds interview in highschool...instead of cook which I applied for I got a manager position)and also because I have learned that when someone asks how much time they get off they tend to just want the paycheck or won't give 100% while the person who asks how many hours they get is gonna work their ass off because they need/want the job.
On the another issue...most minorities around here live in quite nice neighborhoods...and their parents are usually hard workers...its usually their kids who act like punks and are fitting the stereotype. For example I had one guy (african american) who worked for the company 20 years (under me 3 years)...only was ever gone sick or on his vacation time....called in every time...followed the rules to a T...he decided to retire...and asked if his son could take over his job (he was our on-site electrician and his son apprenticed for him on site). I figured sure...since his dad trained him he'll know how to do everything already. Right? WRONG! Now they were a pretty well off family...but his son...phew...he gave stupid a new name...first day on the job asks two questions: how much vacation time do I get and can I have fridays off. Answer I had was none until 90 days and you get 2 sick days every 30 days unless hospitalized...fridays are workdays for everyone except weekender skeleton crew. Usually normal questions. Well during that month he never came into work on fridays (come to find out from his dad he was out at the bar drinking...he still lived at home and his dad and I are good friends). Now normally I would let that slide...but there were other things...when he did electrical work he NEVER turned off the power to what he was working on (and we work with machines running 220v and higher at 20-100amps), he would leave live wires exposed when he went on break with no warning signs, he never did lock-outs on the machinery that was being worked on, usually didn't do the job right requiring us to call in outside help to fix it, and last but certainly not least he would take a week to do what his dad could do in a half hour. This was during the course of about two months. Our machines were almost in shambles by the time we found someone new.
Personally I think it is a combination of the stereotypes and this upcoming generation. But being lazy, having no common sense, etc cannot be blamed on being poor. Being poor is a problem that can be helped with hard work and determination. I've seen people poor as dirt work hard and become managers, engineers, teachers, etc because they made the effort to get themselves out. A good example of that was I hired a man who was homeless (yes...homeless...) who was trained in HVAC and did janitorial work. After his first paycheck he got an apt and got off the street. After 2 years he went to the community college and got training as a plumber and electrician as well as welding. Now he is our top maintenance guy and manager of the maintenance crew and replaced the one guys son. If someone who's homeless (and he was african american as well) can do it then anyone can. As I said...I give anyone a chance...you work hard you keep your job.
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I respect any person no matter what race when they make something of themselves. Unfortunately for every good example there are at least 10 bad ones. If you were to interview for my company I would hire you very quickly. However most people in my area who are African American fit the atypical stereotype of car with big stereo/big rims, blaring rap music, dressing like a punk, lazy, and usually having no common sense. I will hire someone of African decent and usually have to fire them 2 weeks later because they either don't come to work, are late to work, don't do their work, break work rules, or harass someone (either a co-worker or customer). I wish I had someone like you working for me to show that with some hard work and effort you can make something of yourself.
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I can just see it now:
"Classes canceled due to mine fire. All fraternity members are to report to campus police for questioning."
If I recall correctly isn't PA the state with the ever burning coal mine fire? I think it was called Centrailia or something. Let's open up college campuses to mining as well. I'm sure putting a mine on the same property as drunk frat boys is a brilliant plan.
I know they are two separate items. But around here they are definitely intertwined a majority of the time...if anything I think being poor should be a 3rd item separate from the culture (rims'n'rap as you put it) and work ethics/no common sense.
I give everyone a chance. But I was giving my observation from my experience. Sadly the items tend to be intertwined in my case. I was always taught in school to dress for success...coming to work or an interview with your pants hanging off off your #$! does not cut it (that goes for anyone as I see this everywhere these days). But also coming to an interview and expecting that I won't ask you to work hard doesn't cut it either. You are here to work at the company's schedule...not yours. If two people come interview with one dressed liked he just got off a set at BET or MTV or VH1 for the latest puff daddy music video who asks me how much time I get off and a guy in a suit who asks how many hours a week do I get....I'm gonna go with the guy in the suit. For one...dressing for success (no matter who the interview is for...I wore a suit to my McDonalds interview in highschool...instead of cook which I applied for I got a manager position)and also because I have learned that when someone asks how much time they get off they tend to just want the paycheck or won't give 100% while the person who asks how many hours they get is gonna work their ass off because they need/want the job.
On the another issue...most minorities around here live in quite nice neighborhoods...and their parents are usually hard workers...its usually their kids who act like punks and are fitting the stereotype. For example I had one guy (african american) who worked for the company 20 years (under me 3 years)...only was ever gone sick or on his vacation time....called in every time...followed the rules to a T...he decided to retire...and asked if his son could take over his job (he was our on-site electrician and his son apprenticed for him on site). I figured sure...since his dad trained him he'll know how to do everything already. Right? WRONG! Now they were a pretty well off family...but his son...phew...he gave stupid a new name...first day on the job asks two questions: how much vacation time do I get and can I have fridays off. Answer I had was none until 90 days and you get 2 sick days every 30 days unless hospitalized...fridays are workdays for everyone except weekender skeleton crew. Usually normal questions. Well during that month he never came into work on fridays (come to find out from his dad he was out at the bar drinking...he still lived at home and his dad and I are good friends). Now normally I would let that slide...but there were other things...when he did electrical work he NEVER turned off the power to what he was working on (and we work with machines running 220v and higher at 20-100amps), he would leave live wires exposed when he went on break with no warning signs, he never did lock-outs on the machinery that was being worked on, usually didn't do the job right requiring us to call in outside help to fix it, and last but certainly not least he would take a week to do what his dad could do in a half hour. This was during the course of about two months. Our machines were almost in shambles by the time we found someone new.
Personally I think it is a combination of the stereotypes and this upcoming generation. But being lazy, having no common sense, etc cannot be blamed on being poor. Being poor is a problem that can be helped with hard work and determination. I've seen people poor as dirt work hard and become managers, engineers, teachers, etc because they made the effort to get themselves out. A good example of that was I hired a man who was homeless (yes...homeless...) who was trained in HVAC and did janitorial work. After his first paycheck he got an apt and got off the street. After 2 years he went to the community college and got training as a plumber and electrician as well as welding. Now he is our top maintenance guy and manager of the maintenance crew and replaced the one guys son. If someone who's homeless (and he was african american as well) can do it then anyone can. As I said...I give anyone a chance...you work hard you keep your job.
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I respect any person no matter what race when they make something of themselves. Unfortunately for every good example there are at least 10 bad ones. If you were to interview for my company I would hire you very quickly. However most people in my area who are African American fit the atypical stereotype of car with big stereo/big rims, blaring rap music, dressing like a punk, lazy, and usually having no common sense. I will hire someone of African decent and usually have to fire them 2 weeks later because they either don't come to work, are late to work, don't do their work, break work rules, or harass someone (either a co-worker or customer). I wish I had someone like you working for me to show that with some hard work and effort you can make something of yourself.