MS is gonna start pushing proprietory technology which will do this more easily. Oh, but your users have to be using Microsoft technology.
Sorry, but you're wrong. The web controls that you can program to using the upcoming ASP.net produce HTML 3.2-compliant code, with XHTML being a possible option for the final release.
Funny how the wind changes so quickly around here. Of course, when Microsoft came out with C#, there were numerous people around here asking why another language was needed. (As opposed to the false situation that you put forth. Where are all these people saying, "Does C++ matter anymore? We have C#."). Microsoft came out with SOAP, and again many people around here tell us that it's not needed because there's other ways of doing it. And so on.
Please be aware that most of the software you use every day on your Linux box is pre-1.0. Even then, it's often better and more stable than any MS product.
Complete bullshit.
to use Linux is to live with the bleeding edge
No it isn't. Bleeding edge means that there's a certain amount of pain involved with being on the forefront. You have the certain amount of pain, all right, but there's nothing about Linux which is out in front of the pack. Unless you really consider a Unix rehash, MS Office ripoffs, COM imitations, or ways to make your desktop look and act more like Windows/MacOS to be on the forefront of software design. I'm sure someone will mod me down for pointing this out, although I'd rather someone try to prove my points wrong, instead.
Yep, I think you're right. Thinking about it some more, I believe they recently bought 3600 systems, which was supposedly a doubling of how many they already had. Thanks.
If you don't want Google to be the only one doing this, why don't you create your own archive? They're the ones spending the bucks for it, and obviously other companies didn't find it financially worth the effort. Just be happy that there's a company doing this instead of raising all these paranoid issues about them. They're not some fucking charity for you to leech off of, and if there's no way for them to make money off of it, they might as well shut the whole damn thing down. And the minute they did, I bet you would be here bitching about the lack of any good usenet archives. I'm really not trying to offend you, but this whole story is one of the more ridiculous ones that Slashdot has posted lately, and that's freakin' saying something.
I don't think everyone here realizes the capacity that RMS has for making himself look like a complete raving lunatic whenever he's out in public. Well, in private, too, but that's a different subject. Oh man, I haven't even heard this yet (obviously), but chalk this round up to Microsoft. You guys just better hope RMS doesn't set your little movement back a couple of years in the process!:)
Ok, maybe junk was a bit harsh. Taking out all the political factors, it's not some horrible browser, and between Opera and Mozilla, I'd personally take Mozilla by a nose. I just do think it's a big step down from IE in just about every way, though. Hell, my biggest complaint about the IE6 preview release (other than the functionality that hasn't been completed, which I have no beef with) is the team putting in that Mozilla-like personal bar. If it was as easy to keep off the screen as the History, Favorite, and Search bars when I'm not using them, I wouldn't mind, but it seems like it's getting in my way too much, especially in regards to playing audio. I thought I heard that they were getting rid of this a while back, but if they don't, Mozilla will have made up a good chunk of ground on IE, and least in my own opinion.
So, if they don't include a competitor's client with the OS, they get bitched at. Now, they include a competitor's client, and they get bitched at. And the anti-MSFT folks wonder why they get laughed at.
So, one of the coolest things about Mozilla is something that IE has already done for, oh, the past four years or so? Yeah, that browser sure sounds like it was worth the wait...:)
That's silly. After having used IE for so long, AOL users would probably leave AOL if they were forced to use Mozilla. AOL knows they're fucked if they foist that junk on their customers, so they're sticking with IE.
I know so many people here at Slashdot like to pretend that Mozilla is every bit as good as IE, if not better, but I'm sorry, it's not even close. If AOL switches, they might as well just start signing a good portion of their customers up for MSN, because this would be a big double whammy against their customers coming after the rate increase.
I'm talking about the "sales pitch" given to current Windows end users, not to Windows developers. I think it's pretty a rare occurence when the GPL is used as an argument in these cases rather than the free beer aspect. Do you disagree?
"But you told me to switch from Windows because I would save money because Linux is free of charge. Now that I've switched, I'm supposed to feel guilty that I took you up on your offer?" Sorry, but if it's time for anyone to put their money with their mouths are, it's not the people you brought in with all the free talk.
Download a copy, try it, and if it is worth it, support the people that made it happen. Code, money, whatever. Communities are a two-way street and if we don't support developers how can they support us?
After having heard the refrain over and over that Linux is great for the end user because it's free as in beer, I think it would be a pretty shitty thing for its advocates to start trying to lay a guilt trip on people who chose it for that very reason.
I'd hope that won't eventually become a future Info World review dot-point. Good: Free for the cost of download. Bad: Communities are a two way street, so you owe the developers (you lazy ass!).
Cheers,
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To be fair, MS does have the bulk of the market at this time, but that is rapidly changing with MacOS gaining fairly steadily on WIN, and *nux making leaps and bounds.
Sorry, but the desktop market share for Windows increased from 89% to 92% over the past year. Linux is at 1% and other Unices are probably less than that combined. The Mac's at 4 percent. Oh yeah, and your evidence for the MacOS gaining steadly is an article from March 1997?
Is it your intention to make the Linux community look like idiots? Seriously. You post these half-baked articles so frequently, often incorrect and always misleading, and they always get the community fired up to the point of seeing who can make the dumbest post about something that's not even true.
Not sure how many people here are familiar with it, but it's almost like a digital equivalent of the Phil Hendrie Radio Show. It's a hilarious show, btw, if anyone has a chance to listen to it. He'll have guests on (actually voiced by himself) who make dumb and subtly inflammatory comments, but keeping it halfway believable. So every show, you end up with all these people calling up the show and getting irate arguing with some fictional character. (Hendrie =./ editors, Guest = story submission, Callers = Linux advocate posters). In both places the comedy comes in large part from listening to or reading the opinions of the idiots who believe what they just heard and subsequently make incredible asses of themselves.
Well, here's the part that got me about your original post. The whole "what the Hell are you doing that stuff on a PDA?" and "If you want to do those things, buy a laptop" thing. It's like, my PDA works great for those things, so who is this guy telling me what equipment I should and shouldn't be owning? See what I'm saying? Now, I don't know if you're like this or not, but the whole attitude reminded me of the people who have this irrational anger at people who use cell phones or SUVs. Anyway...
The thing is, it's precisely about simplicity. I don't need to carry around both a walkman/mp3 player and a PDA. I can't say the same thing about a Gameboy, because I wouldn't get one otherwise, but it's great being able to blow off a couple of hours stuck in an airport playing some great games on the PDA. While some guy on the plane is sticking his ass in everyone's face trying to get his laptop unpacked from his bag in the overhead compartment, I'm just reaching into my pocket to pull out the PDA and get going. And when the drinks are served, watch all the difficulties that laptop guy has because he can't put his beer down on his laptop-covered tray. Walking through the airport metal detector, ever been subjected to one of the random spot checks where five guards make you take your laptop out and gather around your laptop to pore over it? Pray it never happens when you're running late. With a PDA, just turn it on for 'em, and you're off to your flight. Simplicity. I'm just hoping that Microsoft gets off their collective arses and gets some of their Stinger phones on the market so I can get rid of one more extra thing that I have to lug around.
Oh, and one of the big selling points for businesses is the fact that it comes with Word, Excel, and Outlook.
Sorry, but your view is too limited. The device is, by definition and name, a "Pocket PC." If I wanted only something to manage my personal information, I'd buy a $25 PIM, and well, Palm's priced itself out of that market. Why lug around a laptop when I don't need to in order to be able to do all the things a PocketPC can? I see all these poor chaps fumbling with theirs in airports and on planes, while I'm getting everything done that I want to with something that fits in the pocket of my shorts. If you want things to be difficult, go run your own life, okay? Some of us are having fun and getting things done, and you sound like someone with sour grapes who just can't stand to see it.
You're kidding, right? MameCE.exe and DoomCE.exe themselves are only 2MB and 500KB, respectively. Most MAME users, though, actually prefer to have some games to play on it. Most Doom users likewise prefer to have a WAD file or two (you know, the things which actually carry the information about the levels?) to go along with the game. See, you can't play either without them. Now consider that the basic platform-independent doom1.wad file that came with the original shareware Doom release is almost 4MB. Those arcade games you're talking didn't keep multiple games in storage. If I want to to stick 20 or so games on the PDA, there's another meg of storage needed. MP3 files, video files, audible.com files. I'll let you guess at how many of those you can store in 8MB. See, the space taken up by the apps is negligible, it's the data stored to actually make the apps useful which take up space. Nice strawman with that "64M for Doom?" crack, though.
This was listed as from the invent-a-market-and-lose-to-a-monoploy dept. What's a monoploy?
A misspelling of "a superior product," I suppose. See: Netscape, Lotus 1-2-3.
Cheers,
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The glut of inventory means that prices will probably be driven lower still soon.
How does this help Palm survive? When you lower prices to clear out inventory, people buy the cheap older models and sales of your new models (i.e., the ones you actually depend on to remain a healthy business) are screwed.
Why are 32, 64, even 128 meg RAM WinCE devices popping up?
Ummm, because you can do a lot more with them. If Palms had the same capabilities, you'd want more memory for it. As is, I don't need any storage space to store MP3s, video, or Flash files because Palm can't do anything with them.
I don't need storage space for DoomCE, Mame-CE, NES or Gameboy emulators, Word, Excel, Internet Explorer, SQL Server, Windows Media Player, etc., because a Palm couldn't handle such apps.
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MS is gonna start pushing proprietory technology which will do this more easily. Oh, but your users have to be using Microsoft technology.
Sorry, but you're wrong. The web controls that you can program to using the upcoming ASP.net produce HTML 3.2-compliant code, with XHTML being a possible option for the final release.
Cheers,
Funny how the wind changes so quickly around here. Of course, when Microsoft came out with C#, there were numerous people around here asking why another language was needed. (As opposed to the false situation that you put forth. Where are all these people saying, "Does C++ matter anymore? We have C#."). Microsoft came out with SOAP, and again many people around here tell us that it's not needed because there's other ways of doing it. And so on.
Please be aware that most of the software you use every day on your Linux box is pre-1.0. Even then, it's often better and more stable than any MS product.
Complete bullshit.
to use Linux is to live with the bleeding edge
No it isn't. Bleeding edge means that there's a certain amount of pain involved with being on the forefront. You have the certain amount of pain, all right, but there's nothing about Linux which is out in front of the pack. Unless you really consider a Unix rehash, MS Office ripoffs, COM imitations, or ways to make your desktop look and act more like Windows/MacOS to be on the forefront of software design. I'm sure someone will mod me down for pointing this out, although I'd rather someone try to prove my points wrong, instead.
Cheers,
Yep, I think you're right. Thinking about it some more, I believe they recently bought 3600 systems, which was supposedly a doubling of how many they already had. Thanks.
Cheers,
I think Google uses about 3600 servers, maybe 4000. Good luck.
Cheers,
Why don't you just use the X-No-Arvhive header instead of messing around with all that bullshit you just wrote?
Cheers,
If you don't want Google to be the only one doing this, why don't you create your own archive? They're the ones spending the bucks for it, and obviously other companies didn't find it financially worth the effort. Just be happy that there's a company doing this instead of raising all these paranoid issues about them. They're not some fucking charity for you to leech off of, and if there's no way for them to make money off of it, they might as well shut the whole damn thing down. And the minute they did, I bet you would be here bitching about the lack of any good usenet archives. I'm really not trying to offend you, but this whole story is one of the more ridiculous ones that Slashdot has posted lately, and that's freakin' saying something.
Cheers,
I don't think everyone here realizes the capacity that RMS has for making himself look like a complete raving lunatic whenever he's out in public. Well, in private, too, but that's a different subject. Oh man, I haven't even heard this yet (obviously), but chalk this round up to Microsoft. You guys just better hope RMS doesn't set your little movement back a couple of years in the process! :)
Cheers,
Ok, maybe junk was a bit harsh. Taking out all the political factors, it's not some horrible browser, and between Opera and Mozilla, I'd personally take Mozilla by a nose. I just do think it's a big step down from IE in just about every way, though. Hell, my biggest complaint about the IE6 preview release (other than the functionality that hasn't been completed, which I have no beef with) is the team putting in that Mozilla-like personal bar. If it was as easy to keep off the screen as the History, Favorite, and Search bars when I'm not using them, I wouldn't mind, but it seems like it's getting in my way too much, especially in regards to playing audio. I thought I heard that they were getting rid of this a while back, but if they don't, Mozilla will have made up a good chunk of ground on IE, and least in my own opinion.
Cheers,
So, if they don't include a competitor's client with the OS, they get bitched at. Now, they include a competitor's client, and they get bitched at. And the anti-MSFT folks wonder why they get laughed at.
Cheers,
So, one of the coolest things about Mozilla is something that IE has already done for, oh, the past four years or so? Yeah, that browser sure sounds like it was worth the wait... :)
Cheers,
That's silly. After having used IE for so long, AOL users would probably leave AOL if they were forced to use Mozilla. AOL knows they're fucked if they foist that junk on their customers, so they're sticking with IE.
I know so many people here at Slashdot like to pretend that Mozilla is every bit as good as IE, if not better, but I'm sorry, it's not even close. If AOL switches, they might as well just start signing a good portion of their customers up for MSN, because this would be a big double whammy against their customers coming after the rate increase.
Cheers,
I'm talking about the "sales pitch" given to current Windows end users, not to Windows developers. I think it's pretty a rare occurence when the GPL is used as an argument in these cases rather than the free beer aspect. Do you disagree?
Cheers,
"But you told me to switch from Windows because I would save money because Linux is free of charge. Now that I've switched, I'm supposed to feel guilty that I took you up on your offer?" Sorry, but if it's time for anyone to put their money with their mouths are, it's not the people you brought in with all the free talk.
Cheers,
Why does it seem more and more that Linux advocates see IBM as some savior on a par with Linus himself?
Cheers,
Download a copy, try it, and if it is worth it, support the people that made it happen. Code, money, whatever. Communities are a two-way street and if we don't support developers how can they support us?
After having heard the refrain over and over that Linux is great for the end user because it's free as in beer, I think it would be a pretty shitty thing for its advocates to start trying to lay a guilt trip on people who chose it for that very reason.
I'd hope that won't eventually become a future Info World review dot-point. Good: Free for the cost of download. Bad: Communities are a two way street, so you owe the developers (you lazy ass!).
Cheers,
To be fair, MS does have the bulk of the market at this time, but that is rapidly changing with MacOS gaining fairly steadily on WIN, and *nux making leaps and bounds.
Sorry, but the desktop market share for Windows increased from 89% to 92% over the past year. Linux is at 1% and other Unices are probably less than that combined. The Mac's at 4 percent. Oh yeah, and your evidence for the MacOS gaining steadly is an article from March 1997?
Cheers,
Very nice. Got any more from the fireplace series? :) <hopeful look>
Cheers,
Is it your intention to make the Linux community look like idiots? Seriously. You post these half-baked articles so frequently, often incorrect and always misleading, and they always get the community fired up to the point of seeing who can make the dumbest post about something that's not even true.
Not sure how many people here are familiar with it, but it's almost like a digital equivalent of the Phil Hendrie Radio Show. It's a hilarious show, btw, if anyone has a chance to listen to it. He'll have guests on (actually voiced by himself) who make dumb and subtly inflammatory comments, but keeping it halfway believable. So every show, you end up with all these people calling up the show and getting irate arguing with some fictional character. (Hendrie = ./ editors, Guest = story submission, Callers = Linux advocate posters). In both places the comedy comes in large part from listening to or reading the opinions of the idiots who believe what they just heard and subsequently make incredible asses of themselves.
Cheers,
Well, here's the part that got me about your original post. The whole "what the Hell are you doing that stuff on a PDA?" and "If you want to do those things, buy a laptop" thing. It's like, my PDA works great for those things, so who is this guy telling me what equipment I should and shouldn't be owning? See what I'm saying? Now, I don't know if you're like this or not, but the whole attitude reminded me of the people who have this irrational anger at people who use cell phones or SUVs. Anyway...
The thing is, it's precisely about simplicity. I don't need to carry around both a walkman/mp3 player and a PDA. I can't say the same thing about a Gameboy, because I wouldn't get one otherwise, but it's great being able to blow off a couple of hours stuck in an airport playing some great games on the PDA. While some guy on the plane is sticking his ass in everyone's face trying to get his laptop unpacked from his bag in the overhead compartment, I'm just reaching into my pocket to pull out the PDA and get going. And when the drinks are served, watch all the difficulties that laptop guy has because he can't put his beer down on his laptop-covered tray. Walking through the airport metal detector, ever been subjected to one of the random spot checks where five guards make you take your laptop out and gather around your laptop to pore over it? Pray it never happens when you're running late. With a PDA, just turn it on for 'em, and you're off to your flight. Simplicity. I'm just hoping that Microsoft gets off their collective arses and gets some of their Stinger phones on the market so I can get rid of one more extra thing that I have to lug around.
Oh, and one of the big selling points for businesses is the fact that it comes with Word, Excel, and Outlook.
Cheers,
Who ever said that baseball players aren't human too, and don't have lives either?
Jon Katz, in, I believe, episodes IV through XXI of the landmark HellMouth series. In short form: Geeks wonderful, jocks evil.
Cheers,
Sorry, but your view is too limited. The device is, by definition and name, a "Pocket PC." If I wanted only something to manage my personal information, I'd buy a $25 PIM, and well, Palm's priced itself out of that market. Why lug around a laptop when I don't need to in order to be able to do all the things a PocketPC can? I see all these poor chaps fumbling with theirs in airports and on planes, while I'm getting everything done that I want to with something that fits in the pocket of my shorts. If you want things to be difficult, go run your own life, okay? Some of us are having fun and getting things done, and you sound like someone with sour grapes who just can't stand to see it.
Cheers,
You're kidding, right? MameCE.exe and DoomCE.exe themselves are only 2MB and 500KB, respectively. Most MAME users, though, actually prefer to have some games to play on it. Most Doom users likewise prefer to have a WAD file or two (you know, the things which actually carry the information about the levels?) to go along with the game. See, you can't play either without them. Now consider that the basic platform-independent doom1.wad file that came with the original shareware Doom release is almost 4MB. Those arcade games you're talking didn't keep multiple games in storage. If I want to to stick 20 or so games on the PDA, there's another meg of storage needed. MP3 files, video files, audible.com files. I'll let you guess at how many of those you can store in 8MB. See, the space taken up by the apps is negligible, it's the data stored to actually make the apps useful which take up space. Nice strawman with that "64M for Doom?" crack, though.
Cheers,
This was listed as from the invent-a-market-and-lose-to-a-monoploy dept. What's a monoploy?
A misspelling of "a superior product," I suppose. See: Netscape, Lotus 1-2-3.
Cheers,
The glut of inventory means that prices will probably be driven lower still soon.
How does this help Palm survive? When you lower prices to clear out inventory, people buy the cheap older models and sales of your new models (i.e., the ones you actually depend on to remain a healthy business) are screwed.
Cheers,
Why are 32, 64, even 128 meg RAM WinCE devices popping up?
Ummm, because you can do a lot more with them. If Palms had the same capabilities, you'd want more memory for it. As is, I don't need any storage space to store MP3s, video, or Flash files because Palm can't do anything with them. I don't need storage space for DoomCE, Mame-CE, NES or Gameboy emulators, Word, Excel, Internet Explorer, SQL Server, Windows Media Player, etc., because a Palm couldn't handle such apps.
Cheers,