And sure enough, they'll capture and sterilize yet another market...sigh...
Yeah, it's a crying shame that Microsoft sterilized the market by bringing out PDAs that blow Palms away in terms of audio, video, voice recording, expandibility and just plain computing power (MAME-CE anyone?). Woe is us that we can't go back to the good old days and have a market full of monochrome, soundless, glorified calculators. Those bastards.
Does the institute have anything to with AOL Instant Messenger? If yes, then you should be worried. Somehow I doubt it, though.
Look, it's one thing that Taco made the dumb comment that this "prove[s] that if you have a trademark, you have the right to any domain name that contains those letters in that order." Yeah, how does it prove this? Where in this case do you see AOL going after all the domains which contain the string "aim" that aren't related to AOL's AIM product?
Like I said, it's one thing for Taco to make that dumb comment. What's really sad is to see all the sheep here who believe it.
And how long before someone modifies the Cheese worm so that it still patches the system from 1i0n, leaves that exact same message, and then goes and deliberately opens up a brand new hole for exploitation? I'd say seven days is a conservative estimate. If it appears that your system has been "patched" by the Cheese worm, you're best off wiping your system and restoring from backups.
Um, no. You have a faulty memory. Allow me to show you how wrong you are. This news.com article from yesterday explains how this is a case of Yahoo! reposting news from a year ago. This news.com article from April 2000 contains the initial Microsoft reaction, and I quote, "Microsoft said its engineers included a secret back door including the phrase 'Netscape engineers are weenies!' in Web site authoring software that could allow hackers to gain unauthorized access to potentially thousands of Web sites." Once they actually looked at it instead of reacting to media questions, they realized there was a hole there but not some secret backdoor.
Know why you couldn't find that Yahoo! article anymore? Because they removed it after realizing they screwed up.
Not trying to offend, but do you know anything at all about class-action lawsuits? Do you know which party is the only party to actually win anything of value in these things? What on Earth even made you suggest this?
Cheers,
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The key word there is "sometimes." I know Xoom.com was one of the ones who kept their word, but there are still many other sites out there who, as soon as you click that link or send them an email, they use that as confirmation that their spam reached an active e-mail address. After that, look out, because your address will be relatively more valuable than the average email address in a spam database.
(Nope, I didn't work for Xoom, but some friends who worked with them were involved in their spam system. Considering the huge amounts of spam they send out, I was very surprised when he told me that they actually do honor spam removal requests. (Or did, anyway; those guys don't work there anymore, so I don't know if they still do or not. Are they still around?)
As opposed to the 46 security fixes for RedHat 7 in the 32 weeks since last October 4, the 6 security fixes for RedHat 7.1 in the 4 weeks since April 16, or the 47 security fixes for Debian 2.2 in the 18 weeks since January 10? I'll let you do the math and see how those averages compare to the one you got for your Windows 2000 installation.
And why would installing those fixes take you all day? I know the other guy who responded to you didn't know what he was talking about, but you don't have to reboot after each service pack or hotfix. Install them all from a script and reboot once after the whole thing is done. Because I'm such a nice guy and always helpful to newbies, I'll even get you started on a suggested batch file for you:
Note: I've expanded all my hotfixes and the service pack with the -x switch, which is why they're all in separate directories and run via the hotfix.exe command instead of the original name of the.exe file you downloaded. If you don't want to expand them like me, the switches above work just the same whether you're using the original, unexpanded.exe or hotfix.exe.
For the service pack (update.exe): -n = don't backup files for uninstall purposes, -z = don't reboot, -q = quiet mode, -u = unattended mode, -o = overwrite OEM files without asking.
For the hotfixes: -n = don't backup files in an uninstall directory, -z = don't reboot, -q = quiet mode, -m = unattended mode. For the last hotfix in your script, replace the -z with a -f, which forces all applications to quit before the automatic reboot.
Go take a leak, grab a coke, or whatever, come back in about 5 or 10 minutes, and your computer will be waiting for you to log in.
So schools should consider not suspending rule-breakers because it might hurt the kids self-esteem? If a 13-year old is so mentally unstable that he kills himself over a suspension, it's probably best to keep him out of school and get him to a psychologist.
It's time to quit coddling kids like this. We already have enough problems from protecting kids egos at the cost of discipline as it is: not holding back failing kids anymore and letting them go on to the next grade; giving trophies to anyone who competes, instead of anything special for the actual winners; constructive math bullshit where if a student "discovers" that 2 + 4 = 7, the teachers won't come out and tell the kid that the answer is wrong, etc. Of course, the people who do the coddling never stop to think that if you never teach a kid how to deal with adversity, then the first time he faces it, even if it's something as minor as a suspension (I was suspended three times in high school), he might just melt down and kill himself. Wonderful work, guys.
Excel, yes. Not Word, though. Lotus Ami Pro 3.1 was so much better than Word at the time. They took so long coming out with a successor that a lot of us couldn't take using it anymore while we watched Word pass it by big-time. Just another case of where someone had a better product than Microsoft's and dropped the ball and lost the market. See: Real, Netscape.
I'm not going to bother with a seperate post for it, but I just wanted to point out how ridiculous and completely unobjective the persion you replied to makes himself sound by insisting that Office/IE/Windows Media aren't any good.
Some of you might not be as ancient to remember this, but years ago Apple took over 6 months to patch the ping-of-death problem that would instantly take out Mac boxes on the internet. So, better the current way than the way they used to handle it.
How many hours does a computer user have to spend RTFM before they can delude themselves into thinking that the Linux versions of software that most people use — web browsers, office suites, multimedia apps — are even close to being as good as those available for Windows or Macs? Because I gotta tell ya, I read all them man pages twice, and the equivalent Linux software is still vastly inferior. And that, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, is apparently what so many people here still don't understand as to why Linux has such a small marketshare.
Microsoft XP... What crappy software are you stuck with today?
Yeah, don'tcha just pity all them poor users getting stuck with Internet Explorer instead of a Mozilla beta or even that monument to great coding, Netscape? Man, life is harsh...
I understand you hate Microsoft and all, but what messenging client do you think is better than MSNM? That is, for those of us that don't want to bog our systems down with the hugeness of ICQ? MSNM and Yahoo! Messenger seem to be as good as anything on the market right now.
As far as freemail goes, why are you so concerned with what people use? It's not like any of them are some great thing. As a standalone system, I'd rank Hotmail a couple of notches below some of the other services that I use, especially because of the paltry 2MB of storage space that they allow. When you combine it with the other features it has — Outlook Express integration, limited encryption, no worries about them going out of business like some other freemail providers, and especially sending alerts to your MSNM client — it definitely holds its own.
Linux developers have complete source access to everything in a Linux distribution. So why do Microsoft's browsers, office suites, multimedia products, etc., beat the bloody Hell out of their competitors' Linux products? Let's not forget either that this is also the case for the products that Microsoft develops for the Mac, something which they most definitely don't have full access to. Maybe it's time for some people around here to get past the denial stage and admit that Microsoft actually knows quite well what they're doing when it comes to developing software.
Your arguments are crap. You're saying that Microsoft marketing is "good at convincing people that their crap is really good" as a reason for people using the bundled e-mail app (surely you're referring to Outlook Express). So basically you're saying that Microsoft supplies a mediocre product and then uses their marketing to get people to stick with them. Well, maybe you haven't noticed, but Microsoft has this product called "Outlook," which they sell. It's not in their best interest whatsoever for people to keep using the bundled app instead of going out and buying Outlook.
If that happened, I'd do what I mentioned. Just give the client's main tech guy a call and let him know that he's exposed right now. Proooobably you should call your competitor, too. I'm not in the same position as you, and I can imagine that it'd be pretty tempting to leave your competitor high and dry, but letting them know would probably be the good samaritan thing to do.
If you're seeing all these holes, it sounds like you're snooping around on your competitor. Not saying that there's anything good or bad about this, but why wait until you've already lost the sale? Point this out to the company you're trying to win over while you're making your pitch, not after it's all over. If you've already lost the sale, I'd suggest hunting for new customers instead of badgering old ones. If there are holes you know about, I would (and have) call the client up, ask to speak with their main tech guy, and give him the scoop. Unless you're desperate for customers, I wouldn't try to turn it into a sales pitch. Just leave your email address in case he needs to ask you any questions about how you found the holes, if he needs any help patching it up, etc. He might keep you in mind in the future, and now he knows how to get hold of you.
As a side note, your mentioning of NT/ASP also seems to point to some sour grapes, since they can be locked down quite nicely — if your own company has any competency, you guys already know this.
And yet Microsoft's server marketshare is still increasing. All Linux is doing is doing is scavenging the meat left on the bones of dead and rotting Unix companies (which, except for Sun and possibly IBM, they all are), and somewhat of Novell. Back from the dead? It's just slowing their demise. There's nothing which shows Linux to be anything but a larger-than-average speedbump on the road to Microsoft's eventual world domination.
Well, I had tested the exploit against a Win2K Pro SP1 machine with IIS (PWS) installed and it didn't crash IIS. On another Pro SP1 machine, I installed the patch, and haven't had any ill effects for few days that it's been installed. So, at first glance, it doesn't seem like eEye's exploit works against Pro, but I took steps anyway, and recommend that others do the same. I just renamed msw3prt.dll in the System32 and dllcache directories.
And yet when they decide that Bluetooth or USB 2.0 support is too flaky to put in before the initial release of XP, people here howl and moan. Damned if ya do, damned if ya don't.
Doesn't this run counter to the big idea that the grand poobahs in the community have been trying to sell companies on? "Don't worry that you can't make money selling Linux-related solutions, the money's in support." So if you can't make money on Linux, and support is a shaky business, can someone tell us why, in a capitalistic society, any business would pin their hopes on Linux?
Actually, some RISC developers use "Restricted" because "Reduced" is a bit of a misnomer, what with things like the supposedly ReducedISC DEC Alpha having more instructions than the Pentium. Instead of continuing such incongruities, they've updated the term to be a better reflection on reality. Maybe your post deserves a "stuck in the past" rating?;)
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And sure enough, they'll capture and sterilize yet another market ...sigh...
Yeah, it's a crying shame that Microsoft sterilized the market by bringing out PDAs that blow Palms away in terms of audio, video, voice recording, expandibility and just plain computing power (MAME-CE anyone?). Woe is us that we can't go back to the good old days and have a market full of monochrome, soundless, glorified calculators. Those bastards.
Cheers,
Hey, no sweat — seems like they're all substandard these days! ;)
Cheers,
Does the institute have anything to with AOL Instant Messenger? If yes, then you should be worried. Somehow I doubt it, though.
Look, it's one thing that Taco made the dumb comment that this "prove[s] that if you have a trademark, you have the right to any domain name that contains those letters in that order." Yeah, how does it prove this? Where in this case do you see AOL going after all the domains which contain the string "aim" that aren't related to AOL's AIM product?
Like I said, it's one thing for Taco to make that dumb comment. What's really sad is to see all the sheep here who believe it.
Cheers,
And how long before someone modifies the Cheese worm so that it still patches the system from 1i0n, leaves that exact same message, and then goes and deliberately opens up a brand new hole for exploitation? I'd say seven days is a conservative estimate. If it appears that your system has been "patched" by the Cheese worm, you're best off wiping your system and restoring from backups.
Cheers,
Um, no. You have a faulty memory. Allow me to show you how wrong you are. This news.com article from yesterday explains how this is a case of Yahoo! reposting news from a year ago. This news.com article from April 2000 contains the initial Microsoft reaction, and I quote, "Microsoft said its engineers included a secret back door including the phrase 'Netscape engineers are weenies!' in Web site authoring software that could allow hackers to gain unauthorized access to potentially thousands of Web sites." Once they actually looked at it instead of reacting to media questions, they realized there was a hole there but not some secret backdoor.
Know why you couldn't find that Yahoo! article anymore? Because they removed it after realizing they screwed up.
Cheers,
Not trying to offend, but do you know anything at all about class-action lawsuits? Do you know which party is the only party to actually win anything of value in these things? What on Earth even made you suggest this?
Cheers,
The key word there is "sometimes." I know Xoom.com was one of the ones who kept their word, but there are still many other sites out there who, as soon as you click that link or send them an email, they use that as confirmation that their spam reached an active e-mail address. After that, look out, because your address will be relatively more valuable than the average email address in a spam database.
(Nope, I didn't work for Xoom, but some friends who worked with them were involved in their spam system. Considering the huge amounts of spam they send out, I was very surprised when he told me that they actually do honor spam removal requests. (Or did, anyway; those guys don't work there anymore, so I don't know if they still do or not. Are they still around?)
Cheers,
This is what passes for secure these days?
As opposed to the 46 security fixes for RedHat 7 in the 32 weeks since last October 4, the 6 security fixes for RedHat 7.1 in the 4 weeks since April 16, or the 47 security fixes for Debian 2.2 in the 18 weeks since January 10? I'll let you do the math and see how those averages compare to the one you got for your Windows 2000 installation.
And why would installing those fixes take you all day? I know the other guy who responded to you didn't know what he was talking about, but you don't have to reboot after each service pack or hotfix. Install them all from a script and reboot once after the whole thing is done. Because I'm such a nice guy and always helpful to newbies, I'll even get you started on a suggested batch file for you:
Note: I've expanded all my hotfixes and the service pack with the -x switch, which is why they're all in separate directories and run via the hotfix.exe command instead of the original name of the .exe file you downloaded. If you don't want to expand them like me, the switches above work just the same whether you're using the original, unexpanded .exe or hotfix.exe.
For the service pack (update.exe): -n = don't backup files for uninstall purposes, -z = don't reboot, -q = quiet mode, -u = unattended mode, -o = overwrite OEM files without asking.
For the hotfixes: -n = don't backup files in an uninstall directory, -z = don't reboot, -q = quiet mode, -m = unattended mode. For the last hotfix in your script, replace the -z with a -f, which forces all applications to quit before the automatic reboot.
Go take a leak, grab a coke, or whatever, come back in about 5 or 10 minutes, and your computer will be waiting for you to log in.
Cheers,
So schools should consider not suspending rule-breakers because it might hurt the kids self-esteem? If a 13-year old is so mentally unstable that he kills himself over a suspension, it's probably best to keep him out of school and get him to a psychologist.
It's time to quit coddling kids like this. We already have enough problems from protecting kids egos at the cost of discipline as it is: not holding back failing kids anymore and letting them go on to the next grade; giving trophies to anyone who competes, instead of anything special for the actual winners; constructive math bullshit where if a student "discovers" that 2 + 4 = 7, the teachers won't come out and tell the kid that the answer is wrong, etc. Of course, the people who do the coddling never stop to think that if you never teach a kid how to deal with adversity, then the first time he faces it, even if it's something as minor as a suspension (I was suspended three times in high school), he might just melt down and kill himself. Wonderful work, guys.
Cheers,
Excel, yes. Not Word, though. Lotus Ami Pro 3.1 was so much better than Word at the time. They took so long coming out with a successor that a lot of us couldn't take using it anymore while we watched Word pass it by big-time. Just another case of where someone had a better product than Microsoft's and dropped the ball and lost the market. See: Real, Netscape.
I'm not going to bother with a seperate post for it, but I just wanted to point out how ridiculous and completely unobjective the persion you replied to makes himself sound by insisting that Office/IE/Windows Media aren't any good.
Cheers,
Some of you might not be as ancient to remember this, but years ago Apple took over 6 months to patch the ping-of-death problem that would instantly take out Mac boxes on the internet. So, better the current way than the way they used to handle it.
Cheers,
How many hours does a computer user have to spend RTFM before they can delude themselves into thinking that the Linux versions of software that most people use — web browsers, office suites, multimedia apps — are even close to being as good as those available for Windows or Macs? Because I gotta tell ya, I read all them man pages twice, and the equivalent Linux software is still vastly inferior. And that, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, is apparently what so many people here still don't understand as to why Linux has such a small marketshare.
Cheers,
Microsoft XP ... What crappy software are you stuck with today?
Yeah, don'tcha just pity all them poor users getting stuck with Internet Explorer instead of a Mozilla beta or even that monument to great coding, Netscape? Man, life is harsh...
Cheers,
Just a correction: MSN Messenger already has more users than AIM.
Cheers,
I understand you hate Microsoft and all, but what messenging client do you think is better than MSNM? That is, for those of us that don't want to bog our systems down with the hugeness of ICQ? MSNM and Yahoo! Messenger seem to be as good as anything on the market right now.
As far as freemail goes, why are you so concerned with what people use? It's not like any of them are some great thing. As a standalone system, I'd rank Hotmail a couple of notches below some of the other services that I use, especially because of the paltry 2MB of storage space that they allow. When you combine it with the other features it has — Outlook Express integration, limited encryption, no worries about them going out of business like some other freemail providers, and especially sending alerts to your MSNM client — it definitely holds its own.
Cheers,
Cool, so the Linux market will be flooded with products which weren't good enough to survive on Windows? Um, congratulations? :)
Cheers,
Linux developers have complete source access to everything in a Linux distribution. So why do Microsoft's browsers, office suites, multimedia products, etc., beat the bloody Hell out of their competitors' Linux products? Let's not forget either that this is also the case for the products that Microsoft develops for the Mac, something which they most definitely don't have full access to. Maybe it's time for some people around here to get past the denial stage and admit that Microsoft actually knows quite well what they're doing when it comes to developing software.
Cheers,
Your arguments are crap. You're saying that Microsoft marketing is "good at convincing people that their crap is really good" as a reason for people using the bundled e-mail app (surely you're referring to Outlook Express). So basically you're saying that Microsoft supplies a mediocre product and then uses their marketing to get people to stick with them. Well, maybe you haven't noticed, but Microsoft has this product called "Outlook," which they sell. It's not in their best interest whatsoever for people to keep using the bundled app instead of going out and buying Outlook.
Cheers,
If that happened, I'd do what I mentioned. Just give the client's main tech guy a call and let him know that he's exposed right now. Proooobably you should call your competitor, too. I'm not in the same position as you, and I can imagine that it'd be pretty tempting to leave your competitor high and dry, but letting them know would probably be the good samaritan thing to do.
Cheers,
If you're seeing all these holes, it sounds like you're snooping around on your competitor. Not saying that there's anything good or bad about this, but why wait until you've already lost the sale? Point this out to the company you're trying to win over while you're making your pitch, not after it's all over. If you've already lost the sale, I'd suggest hunting for new customers instead of badgering old ones. If there are holes you know about, I would (and have) call the client up, ask to speak with their main tech guy, and give him the scoop. Unless you're desperate for customers, I wouldn't try to turn it into a sales pitch. Just leave your email address in case he needs to ask you any questions about how you found the holes, if he needs any help patching it up, etc. He might keep you in mind in the future, and now he knows how to get hold of you.
As a side note, your mentioning of NT/ASP also seems to point to some sour grapes, since they can be locked down quite nicely — if your own company has any competency, you guys already know this.
Cheers,
And yet Microsoft's server marketshare is still increasing. All Linux is doing is doing is scavenging the meat left on the bones of dead and rotting Unix companies (which, except for Sun and possibly IBM, they all are), and somewhat of Novell. Back from the dead? It's just slowing their demise. There's nothing which shows Linux to be anything but a larger-than-average speedbump on the road to Microsoft's eventual world domination.
Cheers,
Well, I had tested the exploit against a Win2K Pro SP1 machine with IIS (PWS) installed and it didn't crash IIS. On another Pro SP1 machine, I installed the patch, and haven't had any ill effects for few days that it's been installed. So, at first glance, it doesn't seem like eEye's exploit works against Pro, but I took steps anyway, and recommend that others do the same. I just renamed msw3prt.dll in the System32 and dllcache directories.
Cheers,
And yet when they decide that Bluetooth or USB 2.0 support is too flaky to put in before the initial release of XP, people here howl and moan. Damned if ya do, damned if ya don't.
Cheers,
Support is a shakey business to begin with
Doesn't this run counter to the big idea that the grand poobahs in the community have been trying to sell companies on? "Don't worry that you can't make money selling Linux-related solutions, the money's in support." So if you can't make money on Linux, and support is a shaky business, can someone tell us why, in a capitalistic society, any business would pin their hopes on Linux?
Cheers,
Actually, some RISC developers use "Restricted" because "Reduced" is a bit of a misnomer, what with things like the supposedly ReducedISC DEC Alpha having more instructions than the Pentium. Instead of continuing such incongruities, they've updated the term to be a better reflection on reality. Maybe your post deserves a "stuck in the past" rating? ;)
Cheers,