The problem with task killers is that if you kill a task that android needs, it will just restart it, which actually uses MORE battery than before. In the case of services, android already has the ability to stop services, and you should use that mechanism rather than just killing off processes.
I'm assuming you have "background data" and sync enabled? That's fine, it is usually ok, but it will sync your gmail and possibly facebook and other things, which all use your 3G data. Under normal use it hardly makes a difference, but it depends on what your phone is actually syncing. Some weather apps are pretty heavy on this as well.
3G is one of the heaviest users of battery (ie. when on a call or using data). Its probably somewhere in the order of: screen, then 3G, then wifi, etc. etc...
Does your phone feel warm? That's usually a good indication that it is using 3G a lot. My Galaxy S once had an issue like that, where it was almost flat by the end of the day. It turned out to be a rogue service using the data connection if I remember correctly.
There is still a possibility that your phone is somehow faulty.
This would be inconvenient, but have you tried a factory reset? possibly when the phone is fully charged?
Another suggestion is that if you are in an area with poor phone reception, the 3G will use more power to try to maintain a good signal.
I'd suggest there is a fault with your phone deserving of a warranty claim. Just because it works without 3G doesn't mean there is no issue - it just narrows it down a bit. A nexus S should last at least 2 days with light-moderate use. If you have done a factory reset and still do not get 2 days out of it, then get it repaired under warranty.
btw, you need to access the recovery mode in order to do factory reset (assuming it is like the galaxy s).
Its difficult to get good advice for android - because the rumours get out there too quick and its very much like the PC world - too much misinformation getting around.
Firstly, I'm interested to know what you mean by "battery problems". I have a galaxy S, so its pretty similar hardware to the Nexus S, and I'd buy a nexus S if I was looking for a new phone right now (i'm not).
Depending on how heavily you use your phone, you should expect between 1.5 and 3 days of battery life.
The best advice I can give you about android is to disable any task killers. Well, if you must have one, I like System Panel (free)...but I use it only to terminate an app that I suspect has not closed correctly or is chewing up resources such as wifi etc.
In essence, it messes with the way android was designed to work, and in actual fact, only the current "app" gets cpu time anyway, besides active services that run in the background. Its actually much the same as iOS4 for multitasking...but just without limitations on which apps can have services running in the background and what those services are allowed to do.
If you need more than 2-3 days of use on a single charge, then the nexus s might not be for you. I'm not sure if the iPhone4 fares any better though... It all depends what your phone is doing.
Personally, as long as my phone lasts the day I'm fine with it....but if it matters to you, then do all the obvious stuff: * turn off wifi, bluetooth, nfc? when not in use * dont use live wallpapers * only use reputable apps * never use antivirus - these are bogus until we hear of an actual virus for android. * set your screen to turn off after a minute - or even 30s (the screen is by far the heaviest user of battery)
Other than that, if your phone doesn't last a day, then you may have a faulty battery.
I thought I was careful not to label ALL apple users as what I called "iFans". its only the vocal ones who belittle everyone that get to me.
I'm actually a fairly content android user, not disgruntled by any means. I can see the merits of both (all?) platforms - my wife owns an iphone, which I recommended for her. I'm a software developer - so android makes more sense to me - I can develop apps for my phone easily and I dont need to go through an approval process before I can use it. Its a personal thing, so I dont expect everyone to do the same.
However this is all irrelevant. The point here is the number of iphone 4 users who take the view that if it didn't happen to them, then the problem doesn't exist and therefore its just bloggers making noise. Even with substantial evidence right in front of their eyes - the bloggers didn't just complain - they proved it in so many different tests that it was undeniable (at least I thought so).
Granted - it wasn't as big a deal as some of them made out, but to claim it didn't exist at all, that is just blind fanboism if you ask me.
Boy..if there's one thing I've learned from watching the Sopranos.....it is to always give your 'friends' a hug when you meet them, before you start talking.
That way, you can try to feel if they are wearing a wire or not...
are you saying the only thing you got from this is that the guy was recorded?
who's side are you on? if this stuff is going on I would much rather we captured the evidence than go on respecting the privacy of criminals...
I'm sure someone could take that out of context (and probably will) but I think its fair in this specific context.
When will I be able to get the final version? I'm not normally a Microsoft fan, but I use IE a lot at work and I am legitimately excited about the prospect of a new version. I wish they would release a Mac version.
ah a typical iFan. Of course apple products do everything you care about. They are the ones who dictated to you what you should care about in the first place.
Apple doesn't design devices based on what they think their users want. They actually design products THEY want users to have, and then convince the users that they need them. This is why Apple fans totally love the products, and dont care for anything the products dont do well.
Its a constant aligning of the customer's interests with the interests of the company, and most of them are blind to it.
I'm talking stereotypically, so it doesn't apply to all apple customers, but the iFans? well they tick all the boxes. As soon as someone starts talking all pro-Apple, you instantly know a LOT about them. The stereotype never lies in this instance.
you do realize they updated the way the phone calculates the number of bars displayed. Many experts noted that its difficult to actually measure the phone's actual reception, since its impossible to know if the phone is lying to you or not.
Try it whilst on a call in an area where reception isn't strong...if the call drops, then the issue remains.
It applies to most phones, but the iphone 4 seems to be affected more easily, due to the antenna placement.
What people found, was not that antennagate didn't exist, but that it doesn't have a huge impact if you already have good reception.
I thought their goal was to make it look as though they are a non-profit business that never generates profits on anything but the biggest movies so they do not have to pay royalties or taxes on profits?
(Unless its a court case where they want to generate money, in which case they use larger then the real numbers)
it is, but we're not talking about profit - we're talking revenue - which includes any money they might want to write off.
how could they point to a real concrete example? its impossible to prove.
Just because bing has the same relevant sites as google, does not prove anything. Only by using corner cases that SHOULD NOT exist on bing, were they able to demonstrate an undeniable link.
What they did prove, is that bing uses google's search to boost their results. They dont need to prove that bing is benefiting from it, that's irrelevant.
It doesn't matter how many of the results actually make it into bing. They should not be doing it at all.
Its bad practice and I think google is right for making it public and showing the world what bing is up to.
What the fuck does any of this have to do with Steve Jobs? This is Google we're talking about.
heh, just that all this anti-flash stuff started after SJ had a big cry about it. Before that it was just flash-based websites and advertising that people hated (from an annoyance perspective). Now its turned into a holy war.
the plane would fall faster if it was pointing down, and could in fact rise if it picked up the right currents...
not saying you're wrong, but that your assumptions are not representative of the real world. I dont think we can assume anything regarding speeds, since wind is such a huge factor.
also, how fast can these planes actually travel? it says they were "specially designed", so one assumes they are stronger than your average paper plane.
All I'm saying is that they COULD fall faster or slower than your assumption, and they could quite possibly travel further (ie. not relying on wind).
In any case, we're talking about a period of 10 days or so...aren't we? that's 30,000kms even if you stick with the jetstream assumption.
when was the last time you searched for "hiybbprqag". Well, bing had a site listing for that too...and funny enough, it matched the one google had.
Google are not saying that bing list sites in the same order or whatever. All they are saying is that they are indexing websites some based on google's own results (whenever anyone who uses the bing toolbar does a google search). So where there are no other sites in bing's index, the "copied" listing becomes the only one.
They checked that there were 0 results for these terms before the "sting". Then they did a google search, clicked the first result, and then tried it again on bing, and bam - there it was. Not enough time for the results to be scraped from any other source.
Essentially they're linking the google search term with the site the users click on. Its basically indexing based on what google's algorithm produces...which I'm pretty sure constitutes copying.
sort of....but you're only looking at half of the picture.
Using the website link is fine. Associating it with the google search term is not.
Bing wouldn't do this if it didn't trust the results. So this isn't just generic code, it is code that is specific to google. Something like "collect websites the user clicks on, but if its google, then also collect the search terms as well".
Plus, they dont just copy the results, they want to know which result the user is most interested in, too.
In any case, it is flattering to google that they would do this.
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so are you saying that right throughout OSX, the ENTER key is never used to execute anything?
seems like you're a little too blind to see that the original complaint was actually valid.
The problem with task killers is that if you kill a task that android needs, it will just restart it, which actually uses MORE battery than before. In the case of services, android already has the ability to stop services, and you should use that mechanism rather than just killing off processes.
I'm assuming you have "background data" and sync enabled? That's fine, it is usually ok, but it will sync your gmail and possibly facebook and other things, which all use your 3G data. Under normal use it hardly makes a difference, but it depends on what your phone is actually syncing. Some weather apps are pretty heavy on this as well.
3G is one of the heaviest users of battery (ie. when on a call or using data). Its probably somewhere in the order of: screen, then 3G, then wifi, etc. etc...
Does your phone feel warm? That's usually a good indication that it is using 3G a lot. My Galaxy S once had an issue like that, where it was almost flat by the end of the day. It turned out to be a rogue service using the data connection if I remember correctly.
There is still a possibility that your phone is somehow faulty.
This would be inconvenient, but have you tried a factory reset? possibly when the phone is fully charged?
Another suggestion is that if you are in an area with poor phone reception, the 3G will use more power to try to maintain a good signal.
I'd suggest there is a fault with your phone deserving of a warranty claim. Just because it works without 3G doesn't mean there is no issue - it just narrows it down a bit. A nexus S should last at least 2 days with light-moderate use. If you have done a factory reset and still do not get 2 days out of it, then get it repaired under warranty.
btw, you need to access the recovery mode in order to do factory reset (assuming it is like the galaxy s).
exactly.
My first thought was "i hope they dont let this be used by botnets"...
Its difficult to get good advice for android - because the rumours get out there too quick and its very much like the PC world - too much misinformation getting around.
Firstly, I'm interested to know what you mean by "battery problems".
I have a galaxy S, so its pretty similar hardware to the Nexus S, and I'd buy a nexus S if I was looking for a new phone right now (i'm not).
Depending on how heavily you use your phone, you should expect between 1.5 and 3 days of battery life.
The best advice I can give you about android is to disable any task killers. Well, if you must have one, I like System Panel (free)...but I use it only to terminate an app that I suspect has not closed correctly or is chewing up resources such as wifi etc.
The reason for not using task killers is best explained by google themselves: http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2010/04/multitasking-android-way.html
In essence, it messes with the way android was designed to work, and in actual fact, only the current "app" gets cpu time anyway, besides active services that run in the background. Its actually much the same as iOS4 for multitasking...but just without limitations on which apps can have services running in the background and what those services are allowed to do.
If you need more than 2-3 days of use on a single charge, then the nexus s might not be for you. I'm not sure if the iPhone4 fares any better though...
It all depends what your phone is doing.
Personally, as long as my phone lasts the day I'm fine with it....but if it matters to you, then do all the obvious stuff:
* turn off wifi, bluetooth, nfc? when not in use
* dont use live wallpapers
* only use reputable apps
* never use antivirus - these are bogus until we hear of an actual virus for android.
* set your screen to turn off after a minute - or even 30s (the screen is by far the heaviest user of battery)
Other than that, if your phone doesn't last a day, then you may have a faulty battery.
I thought I was careful not to label ALL apple users as what I called "iFans". its only the vocal ones who belittle everyone that get to me.
I'm actually a fairly content android user, not disgruntled by any means. I can see the merits of both (all?) platforms - my wife owns an iphone, which I recommended for her. I'm a software developer - so android makes more sense to me - I can develop apps for my phone easily and I dont need to go through an approval process before I can use it. Its a personal thing, so I dont expect everyone to do the same.
However this is all irrelevant. The point here is the number of iphone 4 users who take the view that if it didn't happen to them, then the problem doesn't exist and therefore its just bloggers making noise. Even with substantial evidence right in front of their eyes - the bloggers didn't just complain - they proved it in so many different tests that it was undeniable (at least I thought so).
Granted - it wasn't as big a deal as some of them made out, but to claim it didn't exist at all, that is just blind fanboism if you ask me.
Boy..if there's one thing I've learned from watching the Sopranos.....it is to always give your 'friends' a hug when you meet them, before you start talking.
That way, you can try to feel if they are wearing a wire or not...
are you saying the only thing you got from this is that the guy was recorded?
who's side are you on? if this stuff is going on I would much rather we captured the evidence than go on respecting the privacy of criminals...
I'm sure someone could take that out of context (and probably will) but I think its fair in this specific context.
option 2 could be the beginning of a second phase of 3 E's (embrace, extend, extinguish...)
When will I be able to get the final version? I'm not normally a Microsoft fan, but I use IE a lot at work and I am legitimately excited about the prospect of a new version. I wish they would release a Mac version.
excited about a new version of IE?
you need to get out more...
We'll reduce our dependency on oil. Right after shit starts to hit the fan.
actually, it'll be sometime even after that...
By the time you get here they'll have died from death.
yes, i've often heard that death can be fatal.
So..what happens if your phone is out of power, or lost or you just plain don't carry the damned thing EVERYWHERE you go?
If this becomes mandatory..then if you have the situation listed above and are at a friend's house or library you can't check your email?
same thing that happens when you forget your password...
ubuntu is to debian as firefox is to gecko
not really.
debian can still do all the things ubuntu can.
ubuntu is debian packaged for (possibly non-tech-savvy) end-users and polished a bit.
unless the airplane gets *astonishingly* lucky.
so...lets just assume that the ones that reached Australia were *astonishingly* lucky...and we can move on.
ah a typical iFan. Of course apple products do everything you care about. They are the ones who dictated to you what you should care about in the first place.
Apple doesn't design devices based on what they think their users want. They actually design products THEY want users to have, and then convince the users that they need them. This is why Apple fans totally love the products, and dont care for anything the products dont do well.
Its a constant aligning of the customer's interests with the interests of the company, and most of them are blind to it.
I'm talking stereotypically, so it doesn't apply to all apple customers, but the iFans? well they tick all the boxes. As soon as someone starts talking all pro-Apple, you instantly know a LOT about them. The stereotype never lies in this instance.
you do realize they updated the way the phone calculates the number of bars displayed. Many experts noted that its difficult to actually measure the phone's actual reception, since its impossible to know if the phone is lying to you or not.
Try it whilst on a call in an area where reception isn't strong...if the call drops, then the issue remains.
It applies to most phones, but the iphone 4 seems to be affected more easily, due to the antenna placement.
What people found, was not that antennagate didn't exist, but that it doesn't have a huge impact if you already have good reception.
easy yes, but you just made my day :)
I thought their goal was to make it look as though they are a non-profit business that never generates profits on anything but the biggest movies so they do not have to pay royalties or taxes on profits?
(Unless its a court case where they want to generate money, in which case they use larger then the real numbers)
it is, but we're not talking about profit - we're talking revenue - which includes any money they might want to write off.
how could they point to a real concrete example? its impossible to prove.
Just because bing has the same relevant sites as google, does not prove anything. Only by using corner cases that SHOULD NOT exist on bing, were they able to demonstrate an undeniable link.
What they did prove, is that bing uses google's search to boost their results. They dont need to prove that bing is benefiting from it, that's irrelevant.
It doesn't matter how many of the results actually make it into bing. They should not be doing it at all.
Its bad practice and I think google is right for making it public and showing the world what bing is up to.
I'd rather google implement the exact feature. Lets be clear - your suggest would be a workaround, not a fix.
oops, I think I skipped into the wrong thread. sorry.
What the fuck does any of this have to do with Steve Jobs? This is Google we're talking about.
heh, just that all this anti-flash stuff started after SJ had a big cry about it. Before that it was just flash-based websites and advertising that people hated (from an annoyance perspective). Now its turned into a holy war.
the plane would fall faster if it was pointing down, and could in fact rise if it picked up the right currents...
not saying you're wrong, but that your assumptions are not representative of the real world. I dont think we can assume anything regarding speeds, since wind is such a huge factor.
also, how fast can these planes actually travel? it says they were "specially designed", so one assumes they are stronger than your average paper plane.
All I'm saying is that they COULD fall faster or slower than your assumption, and they could quite possibly travel further (ie. not relying on wind).
In any case, we're talking about a period of 10 days or so...aren't we? that's 30,000kms even if you stick with the jetstream assumption.
I'm with OP, when my ISP gives me one.. i'll deal with it.
its probably fairer to say, when your ISP gives you one, you hope they've already dealt with it (and everyone else on the net)
I vote we have a cutover day where the entire internet switches over at once :-) what could possibly go wrong?
The only example?
you didn't read much...
when was the last time you searched for "hiybbprqag". Well, bing had a site listing for that too...and funny enough, it matched the one google had.
Google are not saying that bing list sites in the same order or whatever. All they are saying is that they are indexing websites some based on google's own results (whenever anyone who uses the bing toolbar does a google search). So where there are no other sites in bing's index, the "copied" listing becomes the only one.
They checked that there were 0 results for these terms before the "sting". Then they did a google search, clicked the first result, and then tried it again on bing, and bam - there it was. Not enough time for the results to be scraped from any other source.
Essentially they're linking the google search term with the site the users click on. Its basically indexing based on what google's algorithm produces...which I'm pretty sure constitutes copying.
sort of....but you're only looking at half of the picture.
Using the website link is fine. Associating it with the google search term is not.
Bing wouldn't do this if it didn't trust the results. So this isn't just generic code, it is code that is specific to google. Something like "collect websites the user clicks on, but if its google, then also collect the search terms as well".
Plus, they dont just copy the results, they want to know which result the user is most interested in, too.
In any case, it is flattering to google that they would do this.