That's right, get mad and whine. But don't do anything about it. Just vent your bile on the Internet. I'll bet you're overweight, watch too much TV and have plenty of money for your video games. The maddest people I've seen are among the richest and most spoiled. And they have little shit fits when they don't get their way. I think a big problem we face is that civility and integrity have not kept pace with technology.
Go spend a few months in Haiti and quit getting your reality from movie characters.
No I didn't miss the point. I think you may have missed mine. Three groups of 1000 are minimal to draw such conclusions and I do not believe that those who abuse themselves drop dead gracefully in general. I believe that is overly simplistic. It's not like "mandatory suicide by gunshot to the brain." (Now that would cut costs.) The problem is that when people screw themselves up, they suddenly want to live again. Some hang on ten years with emphysema in the nursing home. I am very skeptical of how the borders were drawn and extrapolations done in this study.
One thing is clear, however. Our health care system seems to be a complicated mess designed to extract every last cent from us before we croak. I think we agree on that. The system is broken; old age suicide by smoking and drinking and shooting-up is not the answer IMHO. I really feel that your view of quality of life is way to simplistic. Anyway, it was a fun post you made.
This looks to be a "model." I would not read too much into it.
Read the caveats at the end of the article:
"We are not recommending that governments stop trying to prevent obesity," van Baal said. "But they should do it for the right reasons."
"The study, paid for by the Dutch Ministry of Health, Welfare and Sports, did not take into account other potential costs of obesity and smoking, such as lost economic productivity or social costs."
I don't mind you having fun at the end of your life. But one model w/o stats. does not convince me that I'm won't be paying for your problems thru my tax dollars.
Alcohol. Estimated annual cost: $166 billion. Binge drinking hits the unemployed harder on a per capita basis -- 10.4%, vs. 8.4% of employed people. It is most prevalent in small metropolitan locales, rather than big cities or rural areas. The $18 billion spent on alcohol and drug treatment last year represented 1.3% of all health care spending.
Smoking. Estimated annual cost: $157 billion. The tab includes $75 billion in direct medical expenses, with the rest in lost productivity from ill patients missing work. Given the low-tax (or no-tax) underground cigarette economy on the Web and on Indian reservations, it's unlikely that sales and usage have dropped much over the past decade, official government statistics notwithstanding.
Drugs. Estimated annual cost: $110 billion. Like alcohol, illicit drug use is more prevalent among the unemployed. Most addicts are also heavy drinkers, though only a small minority of alcoholics are drug abusers. Crystal meth has followed marijuana, cocaine and heroin as the drug of choice among the young set.
Overeating. Estimated annual cost: $107 billion. Overeating increases the risk of many health problems, including heart attacks. Obesity causes 14% of attacks suffered by males and 20% of those suffered by females, the National Institutes for Health says, and fewer than a third of adults get regular exercise. The bulk of the $107 billion is the direct cost to treat heart disease, osteoarthritis, hypertension, gall bladder disease and cancer.
Why would you call me Christian, moron? How can you infer what I believe from some flamebait in Slashdot. I'm just sick of the way morons like you think.
And Carlin and you are fucking morons for suggesting these isn't. So there... Thus the logic that seems to comprise the lion's share of slashdot nowadays.
How the fuck you got modded 5 for your puerile remark is a miracle in itself and an indication of how worthless slashdot has become.
Keep drinking asshole. I want to see you swollen liver in "Bodyworlds."
You numb-nut, it's clearly about the clever math and science that went into the restoration (getting around flutter, etc.). Who cares if you don't read it? You wouldn't get it anyway.
I agree, but it goes both ways. How many times have we seen people believing in God's existence stereotyped, "strawman'd" and distained in discussions here?
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That's right, get mad and whine. But don't do anything about it. Just vent your bile on the Internet. I'll bet you're overweight, watch too much TV and have plenty of money for your video games. The maddest people I've seen are among the richest and most spoiled. And they have little shit fits when they don't get their way. I think a big problem we face is that civility and integrity have not kept pace with technology.
Go spend a few months in Haiti and quit getting your reality from movie characters.
No I didn't miss the point. I think you may have missed mine. Three groups of 1000 are minimal to draw such conclusions and I do not believe that those who abuse themselves drop dead gracefully in general. I believe that is overly simplistic. It's not like "mandatory suicide by gunshot to the brain." (Now that would cut costs.) The problem is that when people screw themselves up, they suddenly want to live again. Some hang on ten years with emphysema in the nursing home. I am very skeptical of how the borders were drawn and extrapolations done in this study.
One thing is clear, however. Our health care system seems to be a complicated mess designed to extract every last cent from us before we croak. I think we agree on that. The system is broken; old age suicide by smoking and drinking and shooting-up is not the answer IMHO. I really feel that your view of quality of life is way to simplistic. Anyway, it was a fun post you made.
This looks to be a "model." I would not read too much into it.
Read the caveats at the end of the article:
"We are not recommending that governments stop trying to prevent obesity," van Baal said. "But they should do it for the right reasons."
"The study, paid for by the Dutch Ministry of Health, Welfare and Sports, did not take into account other potential costs of obesity and smoking, such as lost economic productivity or social costs."
I don't mind you having fun at the end of your life. But one model w/o stats. does not convince me that I'm won't be paying for your problems thru my tax dollars.
From http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/Forbes/The5MostExpensiveAddictions.aspx:
Alcohol. Estimated annual cost: $166 billion. Binge drinking hits the unemployed harder on a per capita basis -- 10.4%, vs. 8.4% of employed people. It is most prevalent in small metropolitan locales, rather than big cities or rural areas. The $18 billion spent on alcohol and drug treatment last year represented 1.3% of all health care spending.
Smoking. Estimated annual cost: $157 billion. The tab includes $75 billion in direct medical expenses, with the rest in lost productivity from ill patients missing work. Given the low-tax (or no-tax) underground cigarette economy on the Web and on Indian reservations, it's unlikely that sales and usage have dropped much over the past decade, official government statistics notwithstanding.
Drugs. Estimated annual cost: $110 billion. Like alcohol, illicit drug use is more prevalent among the unemployed. Most addicts are also heavy drinkers, though only a small minority of alcoholics are drug abusers. Crystal meth has followed marijuana, cocaine and heroin as the drug of choice among the young set.
Overeating. Estimated annual cost: $107 billion. Overeating increases the risk of many health problems, including heart attacks. Obesity causes 14% of attacks suffered by males and 20% of those suffered by females, the National Institutes for Health says, and fewer than a third of adults get regular exercise. The bulk of the $107 billion is the direct cost to treat heart disease, osteoarthritis, hypertension, gall bladder disease and cancer.
I'm interested too. First answer my questions...
Why would you call me Christian, moron? How can you infer what I believe from some flamebait in Slashdot. I'm just sick of the way morons like you think.
And Carlin and you are fucking morons for suggesting these isn't. So there... Thus the logic that seems to comprise the lion's share of slashdot nowadays.
How the fuck you got modded 5 for your puerile remark is a miracle in itself and an indication of how worthless slashdot has become.
Keep drinking asshole. I want to see you swollen liver in "Bodyworlds."
>> "though the page doesn't say what exactly the points are good for."
About the same thing Slashdot points are good for: nothing.
You numb-nut, it's clearly about the clever math and science that went into the restoration (getting around flutter, etc.). Who cares if you don't read it? You wouldn't get it anyway.
I agree, but it goes both ways. How many times have we seen people believing in God's existence stereotyped, "strawman'd" and distained in discussions here?