And how exactly, do you know its only people taken from the battlefield? Because your glorious holy leaders told you so? At least one German citizen was taken from Germany to a "camp" in Afghanistan. Last i checked Germany was not a battle field.
And don't give me that crap about the last administration. If this administration gave a crap they would have done more than nothing about it. They are as culpable as the last.
Many of the anti wiki posts have been modded up.--also many of them simply tow the party line. "endangering lives", "illegal", "anti American", etc. Nothing that Fox hasn't already covered.
Well since when has that stopped the US? I mean water boarding is OK, shipping people off to gito is no problem. Trial? We just declared you a terrorist, you don't get one if we don't want you to have one.
Labeling someone a terrorist shouldn't make any difference. The most amazing part of all this is how many in the US are like, "oh yea, we know we kidnap people from there home country, ship them off to another one and torture them for a while. Ops, you only have the same name as the suspected terrorist, sorry about, we will just dump you in the middle of the desert..". They know and don't care. Don't start with the government is not us.
There should be a call for "political assassinations" (aka resignations). Hell, since when are you suppose to *publicly* call for assassinations? That should cost you your job in politics in western "civilized/enlightened" world.
Of course airplanes are wind tunnel tested to the tune of millions of dollars after the simulations to check the results. Then prototypes are built and tested to the tune of millions of dollars. If the models were soo good this wouldn't be needed. But it is. Also the scale of the "climate simulation problem" makes them somewhat incomparable really.
Fact is that these climate models have a *lot* more uncertainty over decades and centuries that is presented in the media. Its presented as fact, a simulation result is *not* a fact, its a prediction with assumptions. These models don't even make clear prediction about whats going to happen really, yet we are all going to get flooded and turned into desert at the same time. Negative feedback loops are just not mentioned, and if you do someone shouts "denier" and feels they just won an argument.
Yes the models we have are as good as it gets, but the confidence is way over sold, and any correction ends up being so politically charged that it *does* discredit the science in the public eye.
Thing is that loosing power for a few hours or even days is not the end of the world (weeks and months get interesting.. but hardly the end of the world). Sure we are kinda dependent on it unlike 100 years ago, but in a cold climate people aren't just going to sit in there house and wait to freeze to death. Most people don't live in climates that cold anyway. Its unlikely to be as bad as a hurricane or flood in the bigger scheme of things.
Well a lot of the mine fields left behind by the US are not what folks think of as "responsible with its landmines". And well then there is the agent orange thing.
The US is a lot of things. Responsible in warfare is not one of them.
The air pressure is equal to the weight of air above it. Sea level pressure is ~100000Pa or 100 000N/m^2. If you use g~10m/s^2 then the mass of air per m^2 is 10000kg/m^2. The value is a little higher with g=9.81 and the fact that gravity very slightly weaker as you get higher. Hence the amount of mass of air per m^2 is a bit higher than 10 metric tons per m^2.
Remember that at sea level 1m^3 of air is slightly more than 1kg in mass.
So even if you live in Denver it won't be that much different.
I really don't know where you get your "intel", but for the most part your very mislead into the effects.
CME and flares have 3 main effects.
In space the plasma(high energy charged particles) is effectively a very high dose of radiation to satellites. This can cause temporary, or even in extreme cases, permanent failure. The radiation damages microelectronics, and cause little currents that cause parasitic transistors to "latch on".
The radiation also affects the ionosphere. This can have a dramatic effect on radio wave propagation through and off this layer of the atmosphere and will strongly affect communications that depend on this layer. It can in fact improve performance of some long wave bands.
Finally we come to the fact that the CME is a plasma and has a magnetic field with it. This pushes the earths magnetic field and can cause induction effects on earth surface. This is the only thing that affects terrestrial equipment. The radiation does not penetrate the ~10 metric tons of atmosphere per m^2. However the shifting magnetic field could lead to locally higher levels of background radiation, this would be more prevalent around the poles where its higher anyway. Also note that much of the little stuff blamed on the 1989 event is dubious. Even the wiki citation about "microchips" leads to a story where 3 hard drives failed (This happened to our raid system last year, we didn't blame CME).
The earth magnetic field is quite weak so the induction only affects very large "loops", like a telegram network or a electrical grid. Small "loops" like microelectronics, Aluminum buildings, ungrounded "metal" etc don't notice anything. It is nothing like lightning. Long range communications is now done with fiber for the most part, so the "large loops" are only city wide now days, and are unlikely to be badly affected. But electrical grids are somewhat susceptible, there are massive loops 100 even 1000 of km across. The voltage induced is still quite low, but this can still produce a very large current. This current is typically DC compared to the normal AC load power. This can have a detrimental effect on transformers by pushing the magnetic core into saturation. This typically disrupts wave forms and causes a "short circuit" and breakers should trip in at that point without serious damage being done. This was the case for march 1998 event, power was restored within 9 hours. However one large transformer was damaged. But this kind of redundancy is built into most grids and this did not seriously affect electrical supply in Canada outside the immediate affects.
Just to get a feel for the kind of "volts" we are talking about. Even if the full magnetic flux "swing" at the north pole (about 60uT/m2) in 1sec will induce just 18mV on a 10m radius *wire* loop. In practice this is very unrealistic and true swings is orders of magnitude less. From your links a swing of only 1.6uT for the 1859 event or 37 times less and over longer time intervals, ie a loop need to have an area of 625000m2 to induce 1V if that swing takes 1 sec (typically it takes *much* longer). Note you can't "ground" this emf, this is not how induction works, so you can't be a grounding strap it you touch the loop.
Nothing. Really. Even a really big CME will have an effect on the electrical grid and perhaps some local communication loops. But most will trip overloads and be able to be reset in short order (hours). The odd hard to replace transformer may pop and cause more serious disruptions. But we are talking about no electricity in restricted areas for a few days sort of thing.
Some people watch too many movies or read too much 2012 crap.
Well it really wouldn't matter. No one could afford to buy the howitzer and ammo (you need more than one to be effective). Modern artillery is a lot more than a metal tube these days. And if you don't have self propelled guns (for shoot and scoot), good luck with the counter battery fire....
Not to mention that sooner or later the "government" is going to roll in the tanks...
The key idea that a public armed can compete with a armed government doesn't work anymore.
People see the success of others and forget the hard work and risk taking that went into that success. If they recognize it at all, they write it off as simple luck.
They also forget about the other 100s of folk that didn't make it big. After all failing in business is hardly news.
1. I started the company hoping that I will be able to be financially secure after a while. That did not pan out, and I am in the same state financially as I was before I started the company.
That's great. Seriously. No chapter 11 is a good thing! Your no worse off for having tried.
That's my rule when i do the entrepreneur thing. Even if it goes tits up. I am not bankrupted.
By the way. We still consider some(well one) of those guys quite insane today. A few good ideas, does not sanity make. The rest were not really considered insane by science folk, perhaps influential business people. A few were considered "outsiders". the "your not a true climatologist/Scotsman" problem.
I have to agree. I work a lot in java, and i often see large amounts of classes that can be replaced by just doing the "procedural thing" rather than the OO thing. Even worse is when people insist on using a databases for small datasets that are "live" ie its a new dataset every 10mins. 2 hash tables and all that database bridge code, and the data base is gone, and its often faster. Much of the grunt work i do is not just with scripts, but bash/zsh one liners with heavy use of cut, sort, sed, tr etc. Admittedly this is data analysis that generally does not need to be repeated.
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And how exactly, do you know its only people taken from the battlefield? Because your glorious holy leaders told you so? At least one German citizen was taken from Germany to a "camp" in Afghanistan. Last i checked Germany was not a battle field.
And don't give me that crap about the last administration. If this administration gave a crap they would have done more than nothing about it. They are as culpable as the last.
I never once mentioned what I think the deal is or what result I want. Not once.
And yes i have read the IPCC reports. I know a few people who helped pen them.
Since when has the government used the courts for these cases? Ask anyone in gito who there has as a defense lawyer.
Many of the anti wiki posts have been modded up.--also many of them simply tow the party line. "endangering lives", "illegal", "anti American", etc. Nothing that Fox hasn't already covered.
Assassination is pretty much ineffective. It works in movies. Not so much in real life. You think wikileaks is run by just one person do you?
Character assassination on the other hand.....
Yea, who gives a f**k about the rest of world. We aren't real people anyway. As long as Americans aren't at risk. It's OK.
Well since when has that stopped the US? I mean water boarding is OK, shipping people off to gito is no problem. Trial? We just declared you a terrorist, you don't get one if we don't want you to have one.
We have met the enemy and He is Us.
Labeling someone a terrorist shouldn't make any difference. The most amazing part of all this is how many in the US are like, "oh yea, we know we kidnap people from there home country, ship them off to another one and torture them for a while. Ops, you only have the same name as the suspected terrorist, sorry about, we will just dump you in the middle of the desert..". They know and don't care. Don't start with the government is not us.
There should be a call for "political assassinations" (aka resignations). Hell, since when are you suppose to *publicly* call for assassinations? That should cost you your job in politics in western "civilized/enlightened" world.
I have a rock to sell you.
Seriously, I wouldn't worry about it. There won't be anything but jelly fish left by the time it matters anyway. I am only partly joking by the way.
Of course airplanes are wind tunnel tested to the tune of millions of dollars after the simulations to check the results. Then prototypes are built and tested to the tune of millions of dollars. If the models were soo good this wouldn't be needed. But it is. Also the scale of the "climate simulation problem" makes them somewhat incomparable really.
Fact is that these climate models have a *lot* more uncertainty over decades and centuries that is presented in the media. Its presented as fact, a simulation result is *not* a fact, its a prediction with assumptions. These models don't even make clear prediction about whats going to happen really, yet we are all going to get flooded and turned into desert at the same time. Negative feedback loops are just not mentioned, and if you do someone shouts "denier" and feels they just won an argument.
Yes the models we have are as good as it gets, but the confidence is way over sold, and any correction ends up being so politically charged that it *does* discredit the science in the public eye.
They are also not true Scotsmen.
Thing is that loosing power for a few hours or even days is not the end of the world (weeks and months get interesting.. but hardly the end of the world). Sure we are kinda dependent on it unlike 100 years ago, but in a cold climate people aren't just going to sit in there house and wait to freeze to death. Most people don't live in climates that cold anyway. Its unlikely to be as bad as a hurricane or flood in the bigger scheme of things.
Well a lot of the mine fields left behind by the US are not what folks think of as "responsible with its landmines". And well then there is the agent orange thing.
The US is a lot of things. Responsible in warfare is not one of them.
The air pressure is equal to the weight of air above it. Sea level pressure is ~100000Pa or 100 000N/m^2. If you use g~10m/s^2 then the mass of air per m^2 is 10000kg/m^2. The value is a little higher with g=9.81 and the fact that gravity very slightly weaker as you get higher. Hence the amount of mass of air per m^2 is a bit higher than 10 metric tons per m^2.
Remember that at sea level 1m^3 of air is slightly more than 1kg in mass.
So even if you live in Denver it won't be that much different.
Now, the US is pretty responsible with its landmines,...
Tell that to the Vietnamese.
I really don't know where you get your "intel", but for the most part your very mislead into the effects.
CME and flares have 3 main effects.
In space the plasma(high energy charged particles) is effectively a very high dose of radiation to satellites. This can cause temporary, or even in extreme cases, permanent failure. The radiation damages microelectronics, and cause little currents that cause parasitic transistors to "latch on".
The radiation also affects the ionosphere. This can have a dramatic effect on radio wave propagation through and off this layer of the atmosphere and will strongly affect communications that depend on this layer. It can in fact improve performance of some long wave bands.
Finally we come to the fact that the CME is a plasma and has a magnetic field with it. This pushes the earths magnetic field and can cause induction effects on earth surface. This is the only thing that affects terrestrial equipment. The radiation does not penetrate the ~10 metric tons of atmosphere per m^2. However the shifting magnetic field could lead to locally higher levels of background radiation, this would be more prevalent around the poles where its higher anyway. Also note that much of the little stuff blamed on the 1989 event is dubious. Even the wiki citation about "microchips" leads to a story where 3 hard drives failed (This happened to our raid system last year, we didn't blame CME).
The earth magnetic field is quite weak so the induction only affects very large "loops", like a telegram network or a electrical grid. Small "loops" like microelectronics, Aluminum buildings, ungrounded "metal" etc don't notice anything. It is nothing like lightning. Long range communications is now done with fiber for the most part, so the "large loops" are only city wide now days, and are unlikely to be badly affected. But electrical grids are somewhat susceptible, there are massive loops 100 even 1000 of km across. The voltage induced is still quite low, but this can still produce a very large current. This current is typically DC compared to the normal AC load power. This can have a detrimental effect on transformers by pushing the magnetic core into saturation. This typically disrupts wave forms and causes a "short circuit" and breakers should trip in at that point without serious damage being done. This was the case for march 1998 event, power was restored within 9 hours. However one large transformer was damaged. But this kind of redundancy is built into most grids and this did not seriously affect electrical supply in Canada outside the immediate affects.
Just to get a feel for the kind of "volts" we are talking about. Even if the full magnetic flux "swing" at the north pole (about 60uT/m2) in 1sec will induce just 18mV on a 10m radius *wire* loop. In practice this is very unrealistic and true swings is orders of magnitude less. From your links a swing of only 1.6uT for the 1859 event or 37 times less and over longer time intervals, ie a loop need to have an area of 625000m2 to induce 1V if that swing takes 1 sec (typically it takes *much* longer). Note you can't "ground" this emf, this is not how induction works, so you can't be a grounding strap it you touch the loop.
Nothing. Really. Even a really big CME will have an effect on the electrical grid and perhaps some local communication loops. But most will trip overloads and be able to be reset in short order (hours). The odd hard to replace transformer may pop and cause more serious disruptions. But we are talking about no electricity in restricted areas for a few days sort of thing.
Some people watch too many movies or read too much 2012 crap.
I'd mod you off topic if i had mod points >:
Well it really wouldn't matter. No one could afford to buy the howitzer and ammo (you need more than one to be effective). Modern artillery is a lot more than a metal tube these days. And if you don't have self propelled guns (for shoot and scoot), good luck with the counter battery fire....
Not to mention that sooner or later the "government" is going to roll in the tanks...
The key idea that a public armed can compete with a armed government doesn't work anymore.
People see the success of others and forget the hard work and risk taking that went into that success. If they recognize it at all, they write it off as simple luck.
They also forget about the other 100s of folk that didn't make it big. After all failing in business is hardly news.
1. I started the company hoping that I will be able to be financially secure after a while. That did not pan out, and I am in the same state financially as I was before I started the company.
That's great. Seriously. No chapter 11 is a good thing! Your no worse off for having tried.
That's my rule when i do the entrepreneur thing. Even if it goes tits up. I am not bankrupted.
Yea, its all a big conspiracy. /sarcasm.
By the way. We still consider some(well one) of those guys quite insane today. A few good ideas, does not sanity make. The rest were not really considered insane by science folk, perhaps influential business people. A few were considered "outsiders". the "your not a true climatologist/Scotsman" problem.
I have to agree. I work a lot in java, and i often see large amounts of classes that can be replaced by just doing the "procedural thing" rather than the OO thing. Even worse is when people insist on using a databases for small datasets that are "live" ie its a new dataset every 10mins. 2 hash tables and all that database bridge code, and the data base is gone, and its often faster. Much of the grunt work i do is not just with scripts, but bash/zsh one liners with heavy use of cut, sort, sed, tr etc. Admittedly this is data analysis that generally does not need to be repeated.