As I recall the question was whether or not NBC sometimes acts like FOX (editing video to twist the meaning or just flat-out lying).
Answer: YES. And we've provided 3-4 links showing NBC guilty of the practice. So to sit there and pretend FOX is evil, while NBC is golden, is hypocritical, illogical, and worst of all: inconsistent. You should apply your standard Equally to all the news organizations, not say or imply it's wrong for FOX but okay for NBC.
>>>Has another TV channel cut around a speech to make a conservative look like they're saying something that was the exact opposite of the point of the speech?
Well there was that creative editing job done by the DNC-NBC was discussing a "white racist" who was "carrying a gun" and possibly planning to assassinate a black president. FLAW: The protester carrying the gun was a *black* man and therefore not a racist, but MSNBC used creative editing to hide the man's face.
NBC twisted the story from a black gun-toting protester to a white gun-toting protester, because "protesters are racists" is the propaganda they desired to push.
And that's just one example. I could go on and on about MSNBC's creative editing techniques. They are guilty of the same practices that FOX does, but nobody talks about it.
Honestly? I'm just tired of the anti-FOX bashing. All of the other TV channels are pro-"we need more government", and it's nice to have at least one channel that is pro-"smaller government is better". As government grows individual freedom shrinks... or worse: becomes chained.
So what is Konquerer? I've never even heard of it, and I've tried a lot of different browsers including text-only and "low memory" browsers.
(searches wikipeida) - "Konqueror came with the version 2 of KDE, released on October 23, 2000. It replaces its predecessor, KFM (KDE file manager). With the release of KDE4, Konqueror was replaced as a file manager by Dolphin..... The name "Konqueror" is a reference to the two primary competitors at the time of the browser's first release: "first comes the Navigator, then Explorer, and then the Konqueror."
A throughput of 300k to 600k/s is only 40-70 KB/s. In contrast with DSL I pay only half what you pay but I get a consistent 90 KB/s on downloads and torrents.
>>>>>That's okay. I've still got my DVD copies of the original unaltered trilogy >> >>Wow, that's pretty amazing. You have a version of SW on DVD which they stopped selling well before DVD's were invented.
Dear smart-assed anonymous coward:
Sometime around 2004 Lucas released the Special Edition on DVD, and he included the original, unaltered movies as bonus DVDs. I sold the SE on ebay and kept the bonus discs for myself. THAT's what I was talking about when I said, "Well at least I still got my DVD copies of the original".
>>>comparing the first trilogy to the second and saying that they're equally bad is just stupid.
I didn't say that. I said "the original is not really any better than the new trilogy". In some aspects it's better, but in others it makes you want to press the fast forward button. I think most of the first hour (desert) is dull. The first "Wars" movie I ever saw the whole way through was Empire Strikes Back, because on the first one I kept falling asleep. (I was a kid - it was shown late - I got bored and slept.)
IMHO there are only two things wrong with the Prequel Trilogy is length:
(1) Lucas put too many scenes into these movies..... he did the same thing with the original trilogy with all those extra scenes in the special editions. They slow down the plot to a snail's pace and ruin the OT. Length kills audience attention. IMHO if the prequels were all shortened to the same length as the original films (i.e. subtract 20 minutes of scenes), they'd play a lot better.
(2) The prequel shows a civilized society much like ours. It's about as interesting as watching the president discuss his Afghan strategy. Or the first season of Star Trek TNG (zzzz). That civilized routine naturally makes it less interesting to watch, and that's not really Lucas' fault. Even if you got a brilliant writer in there, i doubt he could make that sterile Republic society interesting.
Give them your credit card number, with automatic topup, and that pretax price drops to $15. I do this for both myself and my brother..... and as you mentioned any unused minutes just rollover. Right now I have about $100 of unused minutes that will quickly disappear during my next long-distance trip.
I actually don't use any Commodore more advanced than Amiga 500 (for classic gaming), and the only browser it can run is the ancient Mosaic 2.0 - precursor to Netscape. So I would never have heard of the Webkit Origyn variant, which probably needs 68020 to work.
I switched to Mac Quadra rather than stick with the Amiga line. Then I bought a Windows 98 machine, and my soul died a little.
>>>Been there, done that. And I don't buy it. I enjoy those first three movies still today. Part of it is, admitedly, nostalgia. But I do like the movies themselves.
Not me. Empire Strikes Back is still decent, but the first one has an incredibly slow pace with poor dialogue, while the third one is too long with poor dialogue. There are lots of other sci-fi stories I'd sooner watch like the original Trek episodes (first season) or Deep Space Nine or Babylon 5 or Stargate SG1. They often have a level of intelligence in their stories that is lacking in the Star Wars pulp.
As for the claims that the original trilogy attracted adults, I did a quick google for the old 1977 crowds and they all look 30 or younger. The films appealed mainly to the young people, just like today's movie do. (The favored demo is 35 or younger.)
That's okay. I've still got my DVD copies of the original unaltered trilogy. And the digital quality is certainly better than my old analog laserdiscs. BTW is that Harlan Ellison on stage? I thought he considered Star Wars to be "brainless pap" unworthy of being called science fiction, so I'm surprised to see him there. (shrug) .
>>>>>only three Star Wars films were ever made.
No come on! I thought the one where Anakin Skywalker catches fire was pretty awesome.;-) But seriously I like what an anonymous coward said further below:
Episode 4 & 1 - rather dull and boring with a whiney guy. Episode 5 & 2 - a bit better written with some motivation thrown in for the chars this time. Episode 6 & 3 - a giant effects fest.
"It was truly a rinse and repeat." - AC. Also the first 70s-era trilogy is not really any better than the new trilogy when you look at it critically, instead of through rose-colored glasses.
I've never eve heard of it, and I've tried a lot of different browsers including text-only and "low memory" browsers.
"Konqueror came with the version 2 of KDE, released on October 23, 2000.[5] It replaces its predecessor, KFM (KDE file manager).[6] With the release of KDE4, Konqueror was replaced as a file manager by Dolphin..... The name "Konqueror" is a reference to the two primary competitors at the time of the browser's first release: "first comes the Navigator, then Explorer, and then the Konqueror."
>>>subscription model, regardless of how poorly this is doomed to work on the Internet.
Just as Record Companies were forced to break-up CDs into individual singles for sale online, maybe Newspapers will be forced to do the same thing. You don't buy the whole paper - you just buy individual articles. Maybe they'll let you read the first paragraph to entice you, but if you want the whole thing then you need to cough-up a dime.
I think the biggest obstacle Murdoch and magazines/newspapers has reaching young people: They don't want to read their news. They'd rather hear it (radio) or see it (TV, streaming videos). Young people also don't want to pay when they can it for free from ad-supported services like cnn.com or google.com
I honestly can't remember the last time I read a newspaper. Maybe back in college, before the web existed on home computers.
I was also rather surprised to see Web of Trust (WOT) flag foxnews.com with tons of red marks. I installed this add-on to protect me from spyware and vicious scripts, not to block sites that some people don't like.:-( Meanwhile MSNBC which spews just as much propaganda as FOX had no red marks.:-|
Why is it that you assume only FOX News spews propaganda? The other channels do as well (especially MSNBC which has been caught doing it).
re:
I think the biggest obstacle Murdoch has it that young people don't want to read their news. They'd rather hear it (radio) or see it (TV, streaming videos). Young people also don't want to pay when they can it for free from ad-supported services like cnn.com or google.com
>>>>> It was designed for and needs a dedicated line where 64k is guaranteed. >> >>Actually -- G.711 is what the PSTN uses.
Yep. Dedicated line with guaranteed 64k throughput.
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>>>When you think about it you can compress voice quite a bit. For example, GSM compresses voice down to 6.4Kbps if you make it aggressive enough. But there is overhead in the RTP header, whatever is framing your dialup (SLIP/PPP), the fact that a 50k modem isn't always 50k, etc. >>>
That's true. I regularly listen to a voice-only talk station that's only 10k streaming, and a London music station (Radio Jackie) at 12k. And yet still have enough room to pull-up a webpage. Dialup really isn't not that bad if you have an accelerated service that uses image compression. My laptop's Dialup loads webpages almost as fast as my DSL at home (i.e. less than 10 seconds).
No I'm talking about the case Paypal already lost sometime around 2004 (which was before Ebay acquired them). The court set-up three tiers of award: ~$75 for class 1 which included everyone, ~$250 for class 2 that had documentation showing Paypal stole the client's money, and class 3 for people who lost thousands. Their claims would be reviewed individually by the court.
Hopefully I'm remembering the details correctly. I fell into class 1 and had about 75 dollars deposited to my paypal account, which I then withdrew to my bank account.
>>>I do make it a point to keep it on the "AirCard (3G)"
What other settings does the MagicJack have? If the quality really is that poor, then I'll just stick with my calling card. It's only 5 cents a minute.
(looks up G.711) - "G.711 is an ITU-T standard for audio companding. The standard was released for usage in 1972..... G.711 uses a Pulse code modulation (PCM) sampling rate of 8,000 samples per second, with the tolerance on that rate 50 parts per million (ppm). Non-uniform quantization (logarithmic) with 8 bits is used to represent each sample, resulting in a 64 kbit/s bit rate." ----- Yeah that certainly wouldn't work over the internet. It was designed for and needs a dedicated line where 64k is guaranteed.
Does MagicJack, Skype, or any other VOIP work over 50k dialup?
the article: MagicJack, a cheapie $20-a-year internet phone service, comes with a shriveled and shaking devil EULA: "Any claims, legal proceeding or litigation arising in connection with the magicJack device or Software will be resolved by binding arbitration... in Palm Beach, Florida."
These kinds of clauses are nullified by law. Paypal discovered that during their litigation, when huge sections of their EULA were struck by the court as being over-ruled by consumer protection laws.
"We have the likes of Skype and other VoIP companies competing against the wireless carriers still selling over-priced voice calls."
I didn't realize these were wireless services. I thought they required a computer to work. I currently pay $0/month and 18 cents per minute (VirginMobile) - is Skype really cheaper than that, once you include the cost of the bits used?
Wireless internet costs me about 7 cents per megabyte streamed. How many megabytes does the Skype use per minute? 1/2? So about 3.5 cents per minute of Skyping, plus 2.1 cents charged directly be Skype == 5.6 cents.
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As I recall the question was whether or not NBC sometimes acts like FOX (editing video to twist the meaning or just flat-out lying).
Answer: YES. And we've provided 3-4 links showing NBC guilty of the practice. So to sit there and pretend FOX is evil, while NBC is golden, is hypocritical, illogical, and worst of all: inconsistent. You should apply your standard Equally to all the news organizations, not say or imply it's wrong for FOX but okay for NBC.
>>>Has another TV channel cut around a speech to make a conservative look like they're saying something that was the exact opposite of the point of the speech?
Well there was that creative editing job done by the DNC-NBC was discussing a "white racist" who was "carrying a gun" and possibly planning to assassinate a black president. FLAW: The protester carrying the gun was a *black* man and therefore not a racist, but MSNBC used creative editing to hide the man's face.
NBC twisted the story from a black gun-toting protester to a white gun-toting protester, because "protesters are racists" is the propaganda they desired to push.
And that's just one example. I could go on and on about MSNBC's creative editing techniques. They are guilty of the same practices that FOX does, but nobody talks about it.
Honestly? I'm just tired of the anti-FOX bashing. All of the other TV channels are pro-"we need more government", and it's nice to have at least one channel that is pro-"smaller government is better". As government grows individual freedom shrinks... or worse: becomes chained.
So what is Konquerer? I've never even heard of it, and I've tried a lot of different browsers including text-only and "low memory" browsers.
(searches wikipeida) - "Konqueror came with the version 2 of KDE, released on October 23, 2000. It replaces its predecessor, KFM (KDE file manager). With the release of KDE4, Konqueror was replaced as a file manager by Dolphin..... The name "Konqueror" is a reference to the two primary competitors at the time of the browser's first release: "first comes the Navigator, then Explorer, and then the Konqueror."
Maybe you should switch to DSL?
A throughput of 300k to 600k/s is only 40-70 KB/s. In contrast with DSL I pay only half what you pay but I get a consistent 90 KB/s on downloads and torrents.
>>>>>That's okay. I've still got my DVD copies of the original unaltered trilogy
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>>Wow, that's pretty amazing. You have a version of SW on DVD which they stopped selling well before DVD's were invented.
Dear smart-assed anonymous coward:
Sometime around 2004 Lucas released the Special Edition on DVD, and he included the original, unaltered movies as bonus DVDs. I sold the SE on ebay and kept the bonus discs for myself. THAT's what I was talking about when I said, "Well at least I still got my DVD copies of the original".
>>>comparing the first trilogy to the second and saying that they're equally bad is just stupid.
I didn't say that. I said "the original is not really any better than the new trilogy". In some aspects it's better, but in others it makes you want to press the fast forward button. I think most of the first hour (desert) is dull. The first "Wars" movie I ever saw the whole way through was Empire Strikes Back, because on the first one I kept falling asleep. (I was a kid - it was shown late - I got bored and slept.)
IMHO there are only two things wrong with the Prequel Trilogy is length:
(1) Lucas put too many scenes into these movies..... he did the same thing with the original trilogy with all those extra scenes in the special editions. They slow down the plot to a snail's pace and ruin the OT. Length kills audience attention. IMHO if the prequels were all shortened to the same length as the original films (i.e. subtract 20 minutes of scenes), they'd play a lot better.
(2) The prequel shows a civilized society much like ours. It's about as interesting as watching the president discuss his Afghan strategy. Or the first season of Star Trek TNG (zzzz). That civilized routine naturally makes it less interesting to watch, and that's not really Lucas' fault. Even if you got a brilliant writer in there, i doubt he could make that sterile Republic society interesting.
But.....
I only got a 200 on my English SAT. I's got no writin' skills. That's why I became a computer geek instead.
>>>I pay Virgin Mobile $20 every three months
Give them your credit card number, with automatic topup, and that pretax price drops to $15. I do this for both myself and my brother..... and as you mentioned any unused minutes just rollover. Right now I have about $100 of unused minutes that will quickly disappear during my next long-distance trip.
I actually don't use any Commodore more advanced than Amiga 500 (for classic gaming), and the only browser it can run is the ancient Mosaic 2.0 - precursor to Netscape. So I would never have heard of the Webkit Origyn variant, which probably needs 68020 to work.
I switched to Mac Quadra rather than stick with the Amiga line.
Then I bought a Windows 98 machine, and my soul died a little.
>>>Been there, done that. And I don't buy it. I enjoy those first three movies still today. Part of it is, admitedly, nostalgia. But I do like the movies themselves.
Not me. Empire Strikes Back is still decent, but the first one has an incredibly slow pace with poor dialogue, while the third one is too long with poor dialogue. There are lots of other sci-fi stories I'd sooner watch like the original Trek episodes (first season) or Deep Space Nine or Babylon 5 or Stargate SG1. They often have a level of intelligence in their stories that is lacking in the Star Wars pulp.
As for the claims that the original trilogy attracted adults, I did a quick google for the old 1977 crowds and they all look 30 or younger. The films appealed mainly to the young people, just like today's movie do. (The favored demo is 35 or younger.)
That's okay. I've still got my DVD copies of the original unaltered trilogy. And the digital quality is certainly better than my old analog laserdiscs. BTW is that Harlan Ellison on stage? I thought he considered Star Wars to be "brainless pap" unworthy of being called science fiction, so I'm surprised to see him there. (shrug)
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>>>>>only three Star Wars films were ever made.
No come on! I thought the one where Anakin Skywalker catches fire was pretty awesome. ;-) But seriously I like what an anonymous coward said further below:
Episode 4 & 1 - rather dull and boring with a whiney guy.
Episode 5 & 2 - a bit better written with some motivation thrown in for the chars this time.
Episode 6 & 3 - a giant effects fest.
"It was truly a rinse and repeat." - AC. Also the first 70s-era trilogy is not really any better than the new trilogy when you look at it critically, instead of through rose-colored glasses.
I've never eve heard of it, and I've tried a lot of different browsers including text-only and "low memory" browsers.
"Konqueror came with the version 2 of KDE, released on October 23, 2000.[5] It replaces its predecessor, KFM (KDE file manager).[6] With the release of KDE4, Konqueror was replaced as a file manager by Dolphin..... The name "Konqueror" is a reference to the two primary competitors at the time of the browser's first release: "first comes the Navigator, then Explorer, and then the Konqueror."
>>>Why do you assume that he assumes only FOX News spews propaganda?
Because 99% of the people who are skewering FOX News, when I ask them, "Do you think FOX is the only channel on TV guilty of propaganda?" say yes.
>>>I didn't see that anywhere in his message.
Look closer at the links he provided us with:
- A google search he did for "Murdoch's Propaganda Machine")
- An anti-FOX News site called outfoxed
>>>subscription model, regardless of how poorly this is doomed to work on the Internet.
Just as Record Companies were forced to break-up CDs into individual singles for sale online, maybe Newspapers will be forced to do the same thing. You don't buy the whole paper - you just buy individual articles. Maybe they'll let you read the first paragraph to entice you, but if you want the whole thing then you need to cough-up a dime.
I think the biggest obstacle Murdoch and magazines/newspapers has reaching young people: They don't want to read their news. They'd rather hear it (radio) or see it (TV, streaming videos). Young people also don't want to pay when they can it for free from ad-supported services like cnn.com or google.com
I honestly can't remember the last time I read a newspaper.
Maybe back in college, before the web existed on home computers.
P.S.
I was also rather surprised to see Web of Trust (WOT) flag foxnews.com with tons of red marks. I installed this add-on to protect me from spyware and vicious scripts, not to block sites that some people don't like. :-( Meanwhile MSNBC which spews just as much propaganda as FOX had no red marks. :-|
Why is it that you assume only FOX News spews propaganda? The other channels do as well (especially MSNBC which has been caught doing it).
re:
I think the biggest obstacle Murdoch has it that young people don't want to read their news. They'd rather hear it (radio) or see it (TV, streaming videos). Young people also don't want to pay when they can it for free from ad-supported services like cnn.com or google.com
>>>>> It was designed for and needs a dedicated line where 64k is guaranteed.
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>>Actually -- G.711 is what the PSTN uses.
Yep. Dedicated line with guaranteed 64k throughput.
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>>>When you think about it you can compress voice quite a bit. For example, GSM compresses voice down to 6.4Kbps if you make it aggressive enough. But there is overhead in the RTP header, whatever is framing your dialup (SLIP/PPP), the fact that a 50k modem isn't always 50k, etc.
>>>
That's true. I regularly listen to a voice-only talk station that's only 10k streaming, and a London music station (Radio Jackie) at 12k. And yet still have enough room to pull-up a webpage. Dialup really isn't not that bad if you have an accelerated service that uses image compression. My laptop's Dialup loads webpages almost as fast as my DSL at home (i.e. less than 10 seconds).
VirginMobile sells pure data plans for phones or computers (via a USB antenna). $20 for 300 megabytes or $40 for 5 gigabytes
Cricket Broadband - their plan is $40 for 5 gigabytes of high speed, and unlimited dialup speed
No I'm talking about the case Paypal already lost sometime around 2004 (which was before Ebay acquired them). The court set-up three tiers of award: ~$75 for class 1 which included everyone, ~$250 for class 2 that had documentation showing Paypal stole the client's money, and class 3 for people who lost thousands. Their claims would be reviewed individually by the court.
Hopefully I'm remembering the details correctly. I fell into class 1 and had about 75 dollars deposited to my paypal account, which I then withdrew to my bank account.
>>>I do make it a point to keep it on the "AirCard (3G)"
What other settings does the MagicJack have? If the quality really is that poor, then I'll just stick with my calling card. It's only 5 cents a minute.
(looks up G.711) - "G.711 is an ITU-T standard for audio companding. The standard was released for usage in 1972..... G.711 uses a Pulse code modulation (PCM) sampling rate of 8,000 samples per second, with the tolerance on that rate 50 parts per million (ppm). Non-uniform quantization (logarithmic) with 8 bits is used to represent each sample, resulting in a 64 kbit/s bit rate." ----- Yeah that certainly wouldn't work over the internet. It was designed for and needs a dedicated line where 64k is guaranteed.
Does MagicJack, Skype, or any other VOIP work over 50k dialup?
>>>You chose a cheapskate version, so you pay the true price for your service, and probably save money.
Anonymous Coward is correct! :-o
Well that's it. Time to close down the office and head home.
the article: ... in Palm Beach, Florida."
MagicJack, a cheapie $20-a-year internet phone service, comes with a shriveled and shaking devil EULA: "Any claims, legal proceeding or litigation arising in connection with the magicJack device or Software will be resolved by binding arbitration
These kinds of clauses are nullified by law. Paypal discovered that during their litigation, when huge sections of their EULA were struck by the court as being over-ruled by consumer protection laws.
"We have the likes of Skype and other VoIP companies competing against the wireless carriers still selling over-priced voice calls."
I didn't realize these were wireless services. I thought they required a computer to work. I currently pay $0/month and 18 cents per minute (VirginMobile) - is Skype really cheaper than that, once you include the cost of the bits used?
Wireless internet costs me about 7 cents per megabyte streamed. How many megabytes does the Skype use per minute? 1/2? So about 3.5 cents per minute of Skyping, plus 2.1 cents charged directly be Skype == 5.6 cents.
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