Well you have to have some kind of leadership, else there would be anarchy (no leadership; no government). Are you implying you want to eliminate the nobility/leadership and have anarchy instead? I suppose that would be one way to achieve maximum individual liberty..... until someone comes along and kills you (since there would be no laws to outlaw murder).
>>>then republic is one wolf representing two sheep and deciding on what to have for dinner - for public good, of course.
I can not lay my hand on any part of the US or State Constitution which gives the wolf that power. Can you? No. That power is therefore reserved to the People - the leaders/representatives have no say in the matter.
The US founders actually chose Tyranny of the individual (a minority of one), where each person is a tyrant over exactly ONE person - himself. That's how you achieve maximum freedom. Each person has the right to do whatever he wants to himself and with his own life, so long as he does not physically harm another's body or property, or rights.
Oh really? (he says with a malevolent grin). I torrented Glenn Beck/Judge Napalitano's "concert" just a month after they did it. Saved myself about $150 in ticket/hotel expenses. I've also torrented or downloaded bits-and-pieces of the Lilith Fair concert so that I decided I've already "seen it" and don't need to go. Another $100 saved.
Now if you go to concerts for the fun of the crowd, then no you can't torrent that experience, but if you're just looking for the music then a video download works fine.
Here's my budget, which I followed not only as a student but also as an adult:
- Don't Spend
Simple as that and over the years I've watched my bank account grow to almost half-a-million. Pretty soon (age 45 or so) I'll be able to retire and just live off the interest, plus an occasional contract job. Personally I think all Americans should follow my budget, but I know most would rather carry ~$10,000 in credit card debt plus ~$120,000 in mortgage debt, rather than sacrifice and save.
SIG (from other forum)
- My internet cost == $15/month. My cellphone cost == $5/month. My television cost = Free!
>>>I don't know many people who don't spend ANY money on entertainment.
That's true. Why just yesterday I decided I would splurge and buy Baltimore Otakon tickets. So that brings my grand total of cash spent on entertainment this year to..... oh, about $60. - POINT: Even if I could not download movies, doesn't mean I would run out and buy the DVD. 1 download == 1 lost sale is a very poor assumption. A lot of us don't spend. And the record/movie companies know thier numbers on "lost sales" are bogus but they don't care so long as they can convince 51% of congressmen that it's true.
ACTA will pass.
It will be shoved through the same way NAFTA, DMCA, Pelosicare, and the EU Lisbon Treaty were shoved through even though 60-80% were against all of those bills/treaties. Alex Jones claims it's because governments are being run by a banking elite and megacorporations, but I don't think it's anything so complicated. I believe our leaders in the EU, US, and elsewhere have simply decided they are the new nobility, and they are blessed by god/time/fate/whatever to rule over the serfs (us). i.e. Democracy is dead; the People are ignored.
ACTA will pass. It might change names (like the EU Constitution was renamed Lisbon Treaty) but eventually it will pass in direct opposition to our wishes.
>>>Maybe a better way to phrase it is rural is ideal for wireless.
Spoken like someone who has never driven across the country. In order to provide wireless across this whole rural continent (including farmers in the middle of noplace) you would have to erect a billion towers. Maybe more. That's simply impossible.
It makes a LOT more sense (as I said before) to use the existing phone or cable tv wires that run into most rural residents homes, and upgrade them to DSL or Cable internet.
Detroit is not saying anything of the kind. Detroit is reading the MICHIGAN constitution and saying it gives Detroit exclusive power to make contracts with Comcast and other utilities inside the city.
But if the schools are already wired (phones, cable) then it's easy. Just upgrade the wires to DSL and Cable internet. It's faster and cheaper.
Besides wireless isn't really a free market either. It's not a solution like the 100-fiber bundle I had proposed that provides Real choice (between 100 different wired internet/tv providers).
Like when a Mall Developer goes to government, bribes politicians to take people's homes, smash the homes to rubble, and then the developer builds that new shopping center. Yeah. Eminent domain is grrrrreeeeaaaat.
Detroit sounds like Rome circa 450 AD. The city of Rome had depopulated from 2 million to just 100,000 and was literally falling apart due to lack of funds. .
>>>a company would be nuts to put any significant money into infrastructure in that environment.
Even in its decrepit condition Detroit is still bigger than the city where I live, and companies have installed both Cable TV and DSL here. So I think Central Detroit could still be a worthwhile investment for a Google or other company.
>>>It was not about freedom, it was not about anything but greed and power.
I see the Government Monopoly school system has brainwashed you very effectively, in order to make you reject freedom and more trusting of government control of your life. There are all kinds of things wrong with your statement, but I'll just pick one:
The US Founders were not rich.
Ben Franklin was but all the rest were poor and deep, deep into debt (kinda like us today). They were commoners who rose to the level of politicians, but they still remained poor in their personal lives. Hell when Thomas Jefferson died (July 4, 1826) his estate was immediately partitioned by the British bankers, because he owed them the equivalent of $200,000. His slaves were sold-off, his possessions confiscated, and there was nothing left for his children to inherit.
That story was true for virtually all of the Founders. They didn't do it for wealth - they didn't have any. They did it because they were tired of UK police entering their homes for warrantless searches (to enforce the Stamp Act), tired of soldiers stripping their farms for food, tired of government-granted Monopolies that took-away freedom of choice, and tired of regulations that stole what little income they earned as fishermen, traders, doctors, and so on.
>>>Uhhhh... That's NOT what the written contract says.
Yeah but it probably includes a clause that says XYZ Company can change the terms any time they feel like it. Your only recourse is to either accept the new terms, or terminate the service.
>>>It will be more complicated than that. FCC rules have the force of federal law, so trump the Michigan state constitution.
Yeah but the National Constitution trumps federal law and nullifies it. See the recent case where the Supreme Court said the Constitution gives the FCC no power to regulate Comcast's Net Neutrality. The National Constitution grants no power to the national government to regulate cable lines *inside* a state, or inside a city (Detroit), so the Feds have no power in this matter.
All the power to regulate inside a state (per the 10th amendment) is reserved to the Michigan State Constitution. And the MI constitution reserves the power of establishing utility contracts to the cities.
This matter is purely between Detroit City and Comcast Cable, and whether or not the contract was breached. It appears it was.
>>>He listens to other people, he respectfully responds, I'm not denying that...but in the end, if you don't agree with him, there is absolutely no way he would ever change his way... rigid...
Ooops. I thought we were discussing Congressman Paul, not President Obama. Sorry about that.
You merely demonstrate that left and right are not adequate to describe political philosophies.
For example Democrats are "left" liberal when it comes to sex, but right authoritarian when it comes to sucking money out of your wallet (and fining you for not buying hospitalization, or hybrid cars, or solar panels, or whatever). I would never vote for them because I don't like Authoritarian parties. Their policies remind me of Mussolini ("corporatist" by his own self description). Now maybe that idea could work in the real world, but it strikes me as being very anti-choice.
As for EU Socialism, this is how I define it:
- You work your ass off earning money. - I sit here and take it from you (weekly handout), while watching TV or the internet - Thanks sucker.
>>>He listens to other people, he respectfully responds, I'm not denying that...but in the end, if you don't agree with him, there is absolutely no way he would ever change his way. Someone that rigid...
Oh wait. I thought we were discussing Congressman Paul, not President Obama. Sorry about that.
>>>Ron Paul promotes and cares only about his own agenda, other people's opinions be damned.
And that makes him different from the rest of us, in what way? We ALL do that - following our own agenda/beliefs. Besides I happen to agree with his agenda (downsize government, pay off the debt, restore freedom in a Pro-Choice fashion, end all wars), so I'm just fine to continue supporting him and others like him. PLUS he keeps getting reelected so apparently his home town likes him too. They are satisfied with how he does his job.
Did you know he's the only Congressman who *returns* money at the end of each year? Rather than spend the annual congressional allowance on himself or new office furniture, he sends almost all of it back to the People's treasury. We need more representatives like that.
Yeah that's great, but if they continue following this path of disobeying Chinese law, then by 2020 Baidu will be the world's #1 company with 1.5 billion users while Google is just a has-been (like Atari or Amiga today). Baidu might even gain enough power to come to the US and dominate our market too.
Good thing we have multiple outlets then. If you don't like what DNC-NBC is saying you can switch to FOX. If you don't like FOX News you can switch to CNN or PBS. If you don't like them, there's conservative or progressive talk radio. Or the internet which has websites for everything from Communism to Anarchism
Now is better than some imagined future where government hands-out money (controls) the media.
- You could vote for Libertarian-republicans (like Ron Paul) who would end all wars, bring all soldiers home, and end the military-government hegemony.
- You could also join the "Free State" project to take-over New Hampshire, kickout the R's and D's, and turn into a Libertarian stronghold.
Detroit could hire someone, like Google, to do the job for them. In exchange google would administer the leasing of the 100-fiber network to other companies over the next ten years. It would be a government-regulated private corporation, and then Detroit would take over that corporation in 2021.
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Well you have to have some kind of leadership, else there would be anarchy (no leadership; no government). Are you implying you want to eliminate the nobility/leadership and have anarchy instead? I suppose that would be one way to achieve maximum individual liberty..... until someone comes along and kills you (since there would be no laws to outlaw murder).
>>>then republic is one wolf representing two sheep and deciding on what to have for dinner - for public good, of course.
I can not lay my hand on any part of the US or State Constitution which gives the wolf that power. Can you? No. That power is therefore reserved to the People - the leaders/representatives have no say in the matter.
Close.
The US founders actually chose Tyranny of the individual (a minority of one), where each person is a tyrant over exactly ONE person - himself. That's how you achieve maximum freedom. Each person has the right to do whatever he wants to himself and with his own life, so long as he does not physically harm another's body or property, or rights.
>>>cannot torrent a concert
Oh really? (he says with a malevolent grin). I torrented Glenn Beck/Judge Napalitano's "concert" just a month after they did it. Saved myself about $150 in ticket/hotel expenses. I've also torrented or downloaded bits-and-pieces of the Lilith Fair concert so that I decided I've already "seen it" and don't need to go. Another $100 saved.
Now if you go to concerts for the fun of the crowd, then no you can't torrent that experience, but if you're just looking for the music then a video download works fine.
Here's my budget, which I followed not only as a student but also as an adult:
- Don't Spend
Simple as that and over the years I've watched my bank account grow to almost half-a-million. Pretty soon (age 45 or so) I'll be able to retire and just live off the interest, plus an occasional contract job. Personally I think all Americans should follow my budget, but I know most would rather carry ~$10,000 in credit card debt plus ~$120,000 in mortgage debt, rather than sacrifice and save.
SIG (from other forum)
- My internet cost == $15/month. My cellphone cost == $5/month. My television cost = Free!
>>>I don't know many people who don't spend ANY money on entertainment.
That's true. Why just yesterday I decided I would splurge and buy Baltimore Otakon tickets. So that brings my grand total of cash spent on entertainment this year to..... oh, about $60. - POINT: Even if I could not download movies, doesn't mean I would run out and buy the DVD. 1 download == 1 lost sale is a very poor assumption. A lot of us don't spend. And the record/movie companies know thier numbers on "lost sales" are bogus but they don't care so long as they can convince 51% of congressmen that it's true.
ACTA will pass.
It will be shoved through the same way NAFTA, DMCA, Pelosicare, and the EU Lisbon Treaty were shoved through even though 60-80% were against all of those bills/treaties. Alex Jones claims it's because governments are being run by a banking elite and megacorporations, but I don't think it's anything so complicated. I believe our leaders in the EU, US, and elsewhere have simply decided they are the new nobility, and they are blessed by god/time/fate/whatever to rule over the serfs (us). i.e. Democracy is dead; the People are ignored.
ACTA will pass. It might change names (like the EU Constitution was renamed Lisbon Treaty) but eventually it will pass in direct opposition to our wishes.
L8r.
>>>Maybe a better way to phrase it is rural is ideal for wireless.
Spoken like someone who has never driven across the country. In order to provide wireless across this whole rural continent (including farmers in the middle of noplace) you would have to erect a billion towers. Maybe more. That's simply impossible.
It makes a LOT more sense (as I said before) to use the existing phone or cable tv wires that run into most rural residents homes, and upgrade them to DSL or Cable internet.
Yet another person who didn't read the article.
Detroit is not saying anything of the kind. Detroit is reading the MICHIGAN constitution and saying it gives Detroit exclusive power to make contracts with Comcast and other utilities inside the city.
But if the schools are already wired (phones, cable) then it's easy. Just upgrade the wires to DSL and Cable internet. It's faster and cheaper.
Besides wireless isn't really a free market either. It's not a solution like the 100-fiber bundle I had proposed that provides Real choice (between 100 different wired internet/tv providers).
Like when a Mall Developer goes to government, bribes politicians to take people's homes, smash the homes to rubble, and then the developer builds that new shopping center. Yeah. Eminent domain is grrrrreeeeaaaat.
Detroit sounds like Rome circa 450 AD. The city of Rome had depopulated from 2 million to just 100,000 and was literally falling apart due to lack of funds.
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>>>a company would be nuts to put any significant money into infrastructure in that environment.
Even in its decrepit condition Detroit is still bigger than the city where I live, and companies have installed both Cable TV and DSL here. So I think Central Detroit could still be a worthwhile investment for a Google or other company.
>>>It was not about freedom, it was not about anything but greed and power.
I see the Government Monopoly school system has brainwashed you very effectively, in order to make you reject freedom and more trusting of government control of your life. There are all kinds of things wrong with your statement, but I'll just pick one:
The US Founders were not rich.
Ben Franklin was but all the rest were poor and deep, deep into debt (kinda like us today). They were commoners who rose to the level of politicians, but they still remained poor in their personal lives. Hell when Thomas Jefferson died (July 4, 1826) his estate was immediately partitioned by the British bankers, because he owed them the equivalent of $200,000. His slaves were sold-off, his possessions confiscated, and there was nothing left for his children to inherit.
That story was true for virtually all of the Founders. They didn't do it for wealth - they didn't have any. They did it because they were tired of UK police entering their homes for warrantless searches (to enforce the Stamp Act), tired of soldiers stripping their farms for food, tired of government-granted Monopolies that took-away freedom of choice, and tired of regulations that stole what little income they earned as fishermen, traders, doctors, and so on.
>>>Comcast can charge $999 a month or whatever the market will bare
What market? Comcast was given a government-granted monopoly inside Detroit. No other company can provide cable TV. No choice == no free market
>>>Uhhhh... That's NOT what the written contract says.
Yeah but it probably includes a clause that says XYZ Company can change the terms any time they feel like it. Your only recourse is to either accept the new terms, or terminate the service.
>>>It will be more complicated than that. FCC rules have the force of federal law, so trump the Michigan state constitution.
Yeah but the National Constitution trumps federal law and nullifies it. See the recent case where the Supreme Court said the Constitution gives the FCC no power to regulate Comcast's Net Neutrality. The National Constitution grants no power to the national government to regulate cable lines *inside* a state, or inside a city (Detroit), so the Feds have no power in this matter.
All the power to regulate inside a state (per the 10th amendment) is reserved to the Michigan State Constitution. And the MI constitution reserves the power of establishing utility contracts to the cities.
This matter is purely between Detroit City and Comcast Cable, and whether or not the contract was breached. It appears it was.
>>>He listens to other people, he respectfully responds, I'm not denying that...but in the end, if you don't agree with him, there is absolutely no way he would ever change his way... rigid...
Ooops. I thought we were discussing Congressman Paul, not President Obama. Sorry about that.
You merely demonstrate that left and right are not adequate to describe political philosophies.
For example Democrats are "left" liberal when it comes to sex, but right authoritarian when it comes to sucking money out of your wallet (and fining you for not buying hospitalization, or hybrid cars, or solar panels, or whatever). I would never vote for them because I don't like Authoritarian parties. Their policies remind me of Mussolini ("corporatist" by his own self description). Now maybe that idea could work in the real world, but it strikes me as being very anti-choice.
As for EU Socialism, this is how I define it:
- You work your ass off earning money.
- I sit here and take it from you (weekly handout), while watching TV or the internet
- Thanks sucker.
>>>He listens to other people, he respectfully responds, I'm not denying that...but in the end, if you don't agree with him, there is absolutely no way he would ever change his way. Someone that rigid... Oh wait. I thought we were discussing Congressman Paul, not President Obama. Sorry about that.
;-)
>>>Ron Paul promotes and cares only about his own agenda, other people's opinions be damned.
And that makes him different from the rest of us, in what way? We ALL do that - following our own agenda/beliefs. Besides I happen to agree with his agenda (downsize government, pay off the debt, restore freedom in a Pro-Choice fashion, end all wars), so I'm just fine to continue supporting him and others like him. PLUS he keeps getting reelected so apparently his home town likes him too. They are satisfied with how he does his job.
Did you know he's the only Congressman who *returns* money at the end of each year? Rather than spend the annual congressional allowance on himself or new office furniture, he sends almost all of it back to the People's treasury. We need more representatives like that.
And less like this dude (Congressman assaults citizen)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v60oNUoHBYM
Here lies ______. He never got married, never had kids, and his genes/family name stops here. But hey at least he was a "nice guy"
Yeah that's great, but if they continue following this path of disobeying Chinese law, then by 2020 Baidu will be the world's #1 company with 1.5 billion users while Google is just a has-been (like Atari or Amiga today). Baidu might even gain enough power to come to the US and dominate our market too.
Good thing we have multiple outlets then. If you don't like what DNC-NBC is saying you can switch to FOX. If you don't like FOX News you can switch to CNN or PBS. If you don't like them, there's conservative or progressive talk radio. Or the internet which has websites for everything from Communism to Anarchism
Now is better than some imagined future where government hands-out money (controls) the media.
- You could vote for Libertarian-republicans (like Ron Paul) who would end all wars, bring all soldiers home, and end the military-government hegemony.
- You could also join the "Free State" project to take-over New Hampshire, kickout the R's and D's, and turn into a Libertarian stronghold.
- Or you could just keep doing nothing.
Your choice. :-)
Rather than lose China, I'd comply with the government's wishes and obey the law (i.e. filter). Nice guys who "do no evil" ultimately finish last.
Detroit could hire someone, like Google, to do the job for them. In exchange google would administer the leasing of the 100-fiber network to other companies over the next ten years. It would be a government-regulated private corporation, and then Detroit would take over that corporation in 2021.
And what if AppleTV comes along and wants to offer Fiber-based video & internet to Ohio residents? Are the blocked from entering?