I see no utility in running an obsolete Win2000 on your tablet or netbook. That's why I was originally discussing Win7 and what it could do (256 MB min).
As for third party applications, they do use a lot of RAM, but it's possible to find one that does not. The IE8 on my laptop only uses 30 MB. Word2003 only uses 10 MB. SeaMonkey Suite has been trimmed to just 100 MB.
Okay well..... the PS1 games I bought in the 90s still work too. You think any downloaded games would still work ~15 years later? Doubt it.
The other comments about dropping CDs in cars is irrelevant to the topic about gaming on the home PS2. Also note CDs in cars last a lot longer than records in cars did (all scratched to hell). CDs were an improvement. And CDs/DVDs can be converted back to cash when you're done with them. Can't do that with a fucking download.
So? It won't kill you to buy two of those 90MPG Lupo cars. Hell the gas you save by not driving your Ford Living Room SUV by yourself will probably pay for car #2.
Bob Yannes also deserves credit for SID, yes, but Jay Miner created those high-color chips in 1977 and 1985 when PCs were still doing just 2 or 16 colors. He had enough vision to realize more colors would be better. And of course he created the overall beauty that was the Amiga (68000 + independent processors == preemptive multiprocessing). To dismiss Miner as a "hack" is piss poor on your part.
Also Nolan Bushnell. Most people have never heard of these guys, due to MS and Apple becoming dominant and rewriting history, but these guys were the True pioneers. Nolan Bushnell created the first successful videogames company. Atari was dominant from circa 1972 to 1984.
Commodore's Jack Tramiel had a "business is war" philosophy that put 30 million ~$200 computers in people's homes, and forced the competitors to drop their prices too (from the previous ~$3000 standard).
And Jay Miner practically invented the multimedia computer. First with the 128 color Atari video chip, then the more-advanced 128 color ANTIC used in the 400/800 computers, and eventually the 4000+ color GPU inside the Amiga. He also pioneered music-quality sound with his Paula device, and multitaking for home computers. It took the Mac/PC world ten years to catch-up.
It has already been shown Win7 can run on as little as 256 megabytes. Microsoft just needs to strip-out a few more functions to get it down to Tablets and Netbooks.
I like my posts to be VISIBLE, and when my score drops to (0) then said post become INvisible. i.e. Censored. I will not sit by idly and watch myself be censored. ----- Besides the second post gave me a chance to fix my previous "haver" error.
That cartoon reminds me of an ad I saw on TV.
- It was for ATT mobile devices to watch movies/hear music while on the go, and showed a family sitting in a living room, watching their Pads or phones, and nobody was talking to anyone else. Yeah that's an exciting future. Sign me up!
I consider people who scratch discs to be lazy/careless. Ever since I bought my first CD player in 1989, I've never scratched a single disc. Not one. (And even the ones I bought used, they still worked despite the scratches.) Sure accidents happen - drop the disc; it breaks or gets scrathed; but if it happens to you habitually then I suspect You are the problem.
And you say "Steam" is the answer. Yeah steam and other online sites are great - until they go out of business and your ~$5,000 game collection stops working. I'll stick with the physical discs that I OWN forever, rather than just borrow. Ya know those Atari games I bought in the 70s? They still work. The Atari online game service? Not so much (it went bankrupt).
Yes I think online app games will eventually overtake physical DVD/bluray sales. I also think it sucks. You can't trade-in your used app for cash. You do save ~$3 for gasoline or postage, but that doesn't make-up for the overall loss of not being able to sell your game for ~$20 on the ebay.
>>>I should damn well be able to make vids without having to pay a dime
You already have the ability to pay *nothing* so long as your Revenue from that MPEG4/h.264 video is less than $500,000. And if you make more than $500K... well... you can afford to pay the dime for the patent. Just as you pay higher taxes when you pass the 500K threshold.
The idea that MPEG should develop this stuff, and yet collect zero income, is as illogical as saying the Automobile Club should exist without collecting dues. You need people, and people demand wages, so MPEG/AAA needs to charge money. And it isn't some onerous fee..... it's only a dime and only if your earn >$500,000. WE USERS pay nothing for our little homemade video projects.
>>>But its not like the OS is providing the drivers directly, you'll haver to go get them from somewhere. As WebM is free, codecs for it will be freely available for all OSs.
MPEG4's h.264 and AAC codecs are also free to users. (Or companies with less than $500,000 revenue.)
>>haver
Yes I'll be havering after you too. (starts singing) And I would walk 500 miles, and I would walk 500 more, just to be the one who walked a thousand miles to be at your door.....;-)
There's no real threat of cyberwar. And there's no real threat of me being blown by an airplane terrorist. But that's completely irrelevant for government leaders desiring to control everything within their sight.
So enjoy your slef-portrait porn, scanner-induced skin cancer, your breast/penis fondling by the SA, and the eventual limitations placed upon the internet/free speech. It's inevitable.
The MPEG has bettered society over the last 20 years. Multiple times. Otherwise we'd have a bunch of different competing codecs from Microsoft, Apple, Commodore, Atari, Adobe, and so on - none of which would work with one another. The open development and shared standards produced by the MPEG has eliminated that confusion.
Are Apple/Microsoft doing the right thing because it's the "right thing", or because they fear an independent web browser with builtin Video support, might make their OSes obsolete? (i.e. Don't install either OS X or Windows- just install Seamonkey, or Opera, or a spinoff of those like Splashtop, and you're done. The browser does everything.)
>>>I should damn well be able to do that without having to pay a dime
You already have that ability to pay *nothing* so long as your Revenue from that MPEG4/h.264 video is less than $500,000. And if you make more than $500K... well... you can afford to pay the dime for the encoding software. Just as you pay higher taxes when you pass the 500K threshold.
>>>But its not like the OS is providing the drivers directly, you'll haver to go get them from somewhere. As WebM is free, codecs for it will be freely available for all OSs.
MPEG4's h.264 and AAC codecs are also free to users. (Or companies with >>haver
Yes I'll be havering after you too. And I would walk 500 miles, and I would walk 500 more.....;-)
I honestly don't understand the opposition to MPEG. Do you show equal opposition to standards coming from the IEEE or ITU working groups? Like v.90/v.92 56k modems and such?
Well I learned something new. Perhaps "liberated" would be a better term since the software, like Seamonkey, Songbird, OpenOffice.org, have been liberated from the clutches of single companies (i.e. Microsoft).
Google also has a WebP standard based on VP8, to replace GIFs/JPEGs, but it seems like it's reached a deadend. So WebM is the container. --- VP8 is the video --- Vorbis is the audio Versus h.264: --- MPEG4 AVC for video --- plus some audio codec, like MP3 or AAC or HE-AAC
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I see no utility in running an obsolete Win2000 on your tablet or netbook.
That's why I was originally discussing Win7 and what it could do (256 MB min).
As for third party applications, they do use a lot of RAM, but it's possible to find one that does not. The IE8 on my laptop only uses 30 MB. Word2003 only uses 10 MB. SeaMonkey Suite has been trimmed to just 100 MB.
Okay well..... the PS1 games I bought in the 90s still work too. You think any downloaded games would still work ~15 years later? Doubt it.
The other comments about dropping CDs in cars is irrelevant to the topic about gaming on the home PS2.
Also note CDs in cars last a lot longer than records in cars did (all scratched to hell).
CDs were an improvement.
And CDs/DVDs can be converted back to cash when you're done with them. Can't do that with a fucking download.
>>>So you are left buying 2 cars.
So? It won't kill you to buy two of those 90MPG Lupo cars. Hell the gas you save by not driving your Ford Living Room SUV by yourself will probably pay for car #2.
Bob Yannes also deserves credit for SID, yes, but Jay Miner created those high-color chips in 1977 and 1985 when PCs were still doing just 2 or 16 colors. He had enough vision to realize more colors would be better. And of course he created the overall beauty that was the Amiga (68000 + independent processors == preemptive multiprocessing). To dismiss Miner as a "hack" is piss poor on your part.
Also Nolan Bushnell. Most people have never heard of these guys, due to MS and Apple becoming dominant and rewriting history, but these guys were the True pioneers. Nolan Bushnell created the first successful videogames company. Atari was dominant from circa 1972 to 1984.
Commodore's Jack Tramiel had a "business is war" philosophy that put 30 million ~$200 computers in people's homes, and forced the competitors to drop their prices too (from the previous ~$3000 standard).
And Jay Miner practically invented the multimedia computer. First with the 128 color Atari video chip, then the more-advanced 128 color ANTIC used in the 400/800 computers, and eventually the 4000+ color GPU inside the Amiga. He also pioneered music-quality sound with his Paula device, and multitaking for home computers. It took the Mac/PC world ten years to catch-up.
Not really about what WE want. It's about what the other 99% of "how do I turn this on?" computer users want. And they are most familiar with Windows.
It has already been shown Win7 can run on as little as 256 megabytes. Microsoft just needs to strip-out a few more functions to get it down to Tablets and Netbooks.
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Really? Which part?
>>>would appreciate it if you would not condemn me for it.
Strawman argument. I did nothing of the sort. I expressed MY opinion one what I would do with MY child, and said not one word about yours. Dumbass.
I like my posts to be VISIBLE, and when my score drops to (0) then said post become INvisible. i.e. Censored. I will not sit by idly and watch myself be censored. ----- Besides the second post gave me a chance to fix my previous "haver" error.
AAY? Are you the Fonz? ;-)
>>>the daily commute is annoying and tedious
Listen to books on tape/ipod.
>>>Especially with high traffic and traffic jams
I leave at 6am. No traffic jams. As for emissions I think if everyone drove one of these as their commuter car, the CO2 emissions would drop ~85%. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_1-litre_car Or one of these: -60% less CO2: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Lupo You don't need a Ford Living Room SUV just to drive to the office/factory.
That cartoon reminds me of an ad I saw on TV.
- It was for ATT mobile devices to watch movies/hear music while on the go, and showed a family sitting in a living room, watching their Pads or phones, and nobody was talking to anyone else. Yeah that's an exciting future. Sign me up!
>>>because the disc got scratched.
I consider people who scratch discs to be lazy/careless. Ever since I bought my first CD player in 1989, I've never scratched a single disc. Not one. (And even the ones I bought used, they still worked despite the scratches.) Sure accidents happen - drop the disc; it breaks or gets scrathed; but if it happens to you habitually then I suspect You are the problem.
And you say "Steam" is the answer. Yeah steam and other online sites are great - until they go out of business and your ~$5,000 game collection stops working. I'll stick with the physical discs that I OWN forever, rather than just borrow. Ya know those Atari games I bought in the 70s? They still work. The Atari online game service? Not so much (it went bankrupt).
Yes I think online app games will eventually overtake physical DVD/bluray sales.
I also think it sucks.
You can't trade-in your used app for cash. You do save ~$3 for gasoline or postage, but that doesn't make-up for the overall loss of not being able to sell your game for ~$20 on the ebay.
>>>I should damn well be able to make vids without having to pay a dime
You already have the ability to pay *nothing* so long as your Revenue from that MPEG4/h.264 video is less than $500,000. And if you make more than $500K... well... you can afford to pay the dime for the patent. Just as you pay higher taxes when you pass the 500K threshold.
The idea that MPEG should develop this stuff, and yet collect zero income, is as illogical as saying the Automobile Club should exist without collecting dues. You need people, and people demand wages, so MPEG/AAA needs to charge money. And it isn't some onerous fee..... it's only a dime and only if your earn >$500,000. WE USERS pay nothing for our little homemade video projects.
>>>But its not like the OS is providing the drivers directly, you'll haver to go get them from somewhere. As WebM is free, codecs for it will be freely available for all OSs.
MPEG4's h.264 and AAC codecs are also free to users.
(Or companies with less than $500,000 revenue.)
>>haver
Yes I'll be havering after you too. (starts singing) And I would walk 500 miles, and I would walk 500 more, just to be the one who walked a thousand miles to be at your door..... ;-)
>>>Just because the MPEG has done good, and it has, doesn't mean there isn't the opportunity for it to do better in the future.
I agree with your statement 100%.
Which is why I support sticking with
MPEG standards (1, 2, 4, MP3, AAC, etc).
There's no real threat of cyberwar. And there's no real threat of me being blown by an airplane terrorist. But that's completely irrelevant for government leaders desiring to control everything within their sight.
So enjoy your slef-portrait porn, scanner-induced skin cancer, your breast/penis fondling by the SA, and the eventual limitations placed upon the internet/free speech. It's inevitable.
The MPEG has bettered society over the last 20 years. Multiple times. Otherwise we'd have a bunch of different competing codecs from Microsoft, Apple, Commodore, Atari, Adobe, and so on - none of which would work with one another. The open development and shared standards produced by the MPEG has eliminated that confusion.
Are Apple/Microsoft doing the right thing because it's the "right thing", or because they fear an independent web browser with builtin Video support, might make their OSes obsolete? (i.e. Don't install either OS X or Windows- just install Seamonkey, or Opera, or a spinoff of those like Splashtop, and you're done. The browser does everything.)
>>>I should damn well be able to do that without having to pay a dime
You already have that ability to pay *nothing* so long as your Revenue from that MPEG4/h.264 video is less than $500,000. And if you make more than $500K... well... you can afford to pay the dime for the encoding software. Just as you pay higher taxes when you pass the 500K threshold.
>>>But its not like the OS is providing the drivers directly, you'll haver to go get them from somewhere. As WebM is free, codecs for it will be freely available for all OSs.
MPEG4's h.264 and AAC codecs are also free to users. (Or companies with >>haver
Yes I'll be havering after you too. And I would walk 500 miles, and I would walk 500 more..... ;-)
I honestly don't understand the opposition to MPEG. Do you show equal opposition to standards coming from the IEEE or ITU working groups? Like v.90/v.92 56k modems and such?
Well I learned something new. Perhaps "liberated" would be a better term since the software, like Seamonkey, Songbird, OpenOffice.org, have been liberated from the clutches of single companies (i.e. Microsoft).
Google also has a WebP standard based on VP8, to replace GIFs/JPEGs, but it seems like it's reached a deadend. So WebM is the container.
--- VP8 is the video
--- Vorbis is the audio
Versus h.264:
--- MPEG4 AVC for video
--- plus some audio codec, like MP3 or AAC or HE-AAC
MPEG4/h264 vs. VP8 comparison (h264 slightly better - specially on low bitrate connections):
- http://compression.ru/video/codec_comparison/h264_2010/vp8_vs_h264.html
HE-AACplus vs. Vorbis (HE-AAC wins):
- http://listening-tests.hydrogenaudio.org/sebastian/mf-48-1/results.htm
JPEG vs. WebP (WebP wins):
- http://englishhard.com/2010/10/01/real-world-analysis-of-googles-webp-versus-jpg/