>>>you want the same line to carry the same traffic, plus internet traffic, plus ip headers, plus voip/tcp/udp/whateverp headers. And you think you'll get something decent? Good luck with that.
Yes. The analog phone line is limited from 0 to 4000 hertz bandwidth. It's worse quality than AM radio (~10,000 hertz). If you do VOIP over a dialup modem, you can use digital compression equal to 48k AAC+SBR and achieve FM quality (0-to-15,000 hertz). So yes it's more efficient and it also sounds better.
A "true" POTS line cannot carry DSL. It is bandwidth limited from 0 to 4000 hertz, and travels over many many miles. It's also why a dialup modem maxes-out at 56k - it's trying to squeeze all the information into a narrow bandwidth.
A DSL line has no upper bound, but it's limited to 1-2 miles maximum distance.
So a POTS line and DSL line are not the same, just like a Mac floppy and PC floppy are not the same.
I have broadband but I oppose disconnecting the old phone system for the following reasons:
- When my DSL stopped working a few weeks ago (DSLAM needed replacement) I then used dialup to access the internet. 50k is slow but still useful for emailing, listening to online radio, or even watching youtube.
- Dialup is portable. I can use it any place and any hotel that has a phone line. No need to pay the outrageous $5-10/night the hotel charges for wireless or wired access.
- If a three strike law happens, my DSL or Cable ISP might pull the plug, but my dialup will still be there for backup.
- This morning when the electricity died, the wired phone was the only thing that still worked. Good to have for emergency.
It's possible to have a "no winner" situation if MS can show prior art existed before the patent was issued, and then the judge will nullify the patent.
I just tried to install security update 2009-005, and after I rebooted my Mac, that was it. Dead. It refuses to reload the OS and just sits there with that puissant spinning wheel. And when I called Apple they refused to help unless I spent ~$200 on their recovery service. Burn in hell, Apple! ! I am never, never, never going to buy another one of your products.
And don't tell me I don't have a right to be angry. That's almost $2000 down the drain. Piece of shit Macintosh
It was just a typo. I was thinking Montana in my head (the big sky country), but for some reason my fingers typed something else. Like when Pac-Man mysteriously runs through a ghost without dying, even though the program code shouldn't allow that. It happens sometimes. (shrug)
Ironically many of the "may I see the data" and other FOIA requests were turned-down because the CRU claimed copyright over the data. How convenient. Of course now the data is leaked, and we can see why they refused to share it. It had nothing to do with copyright - the leaked data reveals the published papers were fudging the numbers.
Oh and yes there are big dollars in favor of global warming
- like GE (owner of NBC, USA, Syfy, NBC Europe, NBC Asia, and so on). They would lose billions of dollars they've invested in green technology.
It certainly sounds like cause for a reverse lawsuit. After all they never told him he CAN'T install SETI@home or CANCER@home or any other background crunching program
On the other hand, his contract never said he wasn't able to run these types of background calculation programs. Even superintendent Denise Birdwell admitted, "We support educational research and certainly would have supported cancer research." So the issue is not the installation of the program, which would have been okay if the technician had installed Cancer@Home instead.
Furthermore Birdwell said the massive software cost the district more than $1 million in added utility fees and computer replacement parts. How did he arrive at this 1 million dollar figure? Can he produce actual calculations derived from collected data, or did he just pull the number from his nether region?
I would not resign.
I'd tell them, "Sorry I'll uninstall everything," and if they chose to fire me then I'd drag Mr. Birdwell into court to provide proof before a judge that I actually cost the school 1 million in damages. If they can't then it would be unjustified dismissal, and in violation of multiple employee-protection laws that exist when you work for a state government.
It's like that in the UK. You have a right to remain silent and not self-incriminate yourself, but if you refuse to give the Key to decrypt your computer's drive so the police can examine it, then you committed a crime and can spend upto 2 years in jail. So you still have the right to remain silent; you'll just be doing it from a jail cell.
Likewise you have the right to backup your copy of Star Wars from DVD, but because you cracked DRM to do it, you will be watching your backup while sitting in jail.
Yes. Kinda like Ken Kutaragi who was disgraced, and then shoved into a Sony office where he still collects a fat paycheck, but has no power to influence anything. It's the Japanese method of forced retirement. Mann and the other heavy-hitting scientists are headed to the same fate - They have their titles, but no power.
>>>Those big money scientists are faking the whole global warming thing so they can rake in the big bucks.
You were modded funny, but this sentence is insightful.
As my professor was just telling me a few months ago: For every 3 physicists, there's only enough grants to keep 1 employed. That's a lot of pressure to produce the desired results so you can keep getting handed "big bucks" aka grants. If I was in that position, rather than lose my job or research grant, I might fudge the data too and keep the dollars rolling in. Apparently these people managed to do it for ~15 years before finally getting caught. That's billions of dollars they would not have been given, if they had not fudged the data.
Meanwhile those who are honest, and didn't hide the temperature decline, well they are "paupers" in comparison since nobody wants to fund them. They were also shut-out from publishing papers or reviewing data. Go read "The Structure of Scientific Revolutions", aka Paradigm Shifts, by Thomas S. Kuhn
And there was a giant lake in Missoula Missouri, which periodically broke-through the glacier/ice dam and flooded Washington State (hence the weirdly-carved landscape).
And before you mark me troll, remember scientists are fallible. They once thought space was filled with "ether" so lightwaves could travel from the sun to the earth. They believed that vehemently for ~100 years, until it was proved light could travel through a vacuum. If they were wrong then (and many many other times), they can certainly be wrong now.
If global warming actually exists, why do the scientists feel it necessary to fudge their numbers? They ought to be able to use the clean data without need for obfuscation, as these climatologists were caught doing.
I wonder if my Pentium 4/ 3000 with XP installed will last until 2012.
Probably not.
I just don't trust Windows 7. It's simply Vista + 0.1 incremented version number, which is why I'm still hanging on to my old machine. In my memory the first decade of the 2000s is going to become known as the "XP decade" similar to how the 80s was the "Commodore 64/Amiga" decade and the 90s was the "System 7" decade for Macs, and the 00s was the "OS 10" decade for Macs.
The install disc trick didn't work, and I don't know how to do any of the other things you suggested.
What pisses ME off is that Apple fans say, "Apple never gets screwed up like Microsoft/PC products," and yet here we are. A Mac should not become frakked-up by a simple security download. Furthermore Apple's refusal to help me (other than offer to sell me ~$200 recovery service) makes them worse than MS in my books.
>>>You are aware that there have been well over 200 years of case law between the ratification of the Constitution and now, right?
Constitutional Law still trumps mere opinions of a few judges. A judge may say, "You have no right to free speech," but his opinion is null-and-void in the face of the Law which states otherwise.
As the founder of the Democratic Party observed: "To consider the judges as the ultimate arbiters of all constitutional questions [is] a very dangerous doctrine indeed, and one which would place us under the despotism of an oligarchy. Our judges are as honest as other men and not more so. They have with others the same passions for party, for power, and the privilege of their corps. Their maxim is boni judicis est ampliare jurisdictionem [good justice is broad jurisdiction], and their power the more dangerous as they are in office for life and not responsible, as the other functionaries are, to the elective control. The Constitution has erected no such single tribunal, knowing that to whatever hands confided, with the corruptions of time and party, its members would become despots. It has more wisely made all the departments co-equal and co-sovereign within themselves." --Thomas Jefferson to William C. Jarvis, 1820. ME 15:277
And: "The Constitution on this hypothesis is a mere thing of wax in the hands of the judiciary, which they may twist and shape into any form they please."
Has it not occurred to either of you to just *pay cash* for your birth control stuff? Ultimately it would probably be cheaper (no ~5000 per year free).
But of course you'll probably disagree. Like my niece who told me she pays $200/month for cable television, internet, and cellphone. She believes that's a "great deal" but when I told her I get television for free, internet for $15, and cellphone for $5 per month, her mouth dropped open.
People who invade my house without my permission DO have constitutional rights - but ultimately they will still be found guilty by the jury for breaking-and-entering. Likewise people who invade a country without permission also have rights, but nevertheless still deserve to be deported.
>>>If you're worried about you non-identifiable information then a lot of researchers can get a hold of that data. However I'd argue that data is doing more good than harm by being released.
Yeah but that decision should be MY decision. Your opinion is irrelevant in matters that concern MY body. That's the same argument that defends abortion.
Single payer takes away freedom of choice, and replaces it with the evil of a monopoly.
Just imagine if Comcast ran your healthcare, and they'd simply suck the monthly bill direct from your paycheck, and triple it from $100/month to $300/month whenever they felt like it. That's essentially what you're asking for. That's simply another form of serfdom
>>>I don't understand why so many conservatives trust health insurance companies more than the government.
- Because insurers don't hold a monopoly (i.e. if Microsoft Insurance sucks, I can switch to Apple Insurance, or Linux Insurance, or no insurance at all (pay cash as expenses happen)). - Because insurers can't suck money from my wallet without my permission. - Because insurers can't dump me in jail, or randomly search my house whenever they feel like it. - Because insurers can't draft me and send me to die in a hellhole like Korea or Nam or Afghanistan
It's not about trusting insurers, because I don't. It's about fearing my government more. The government is the greater evil.
Yes. After all you can move. Or you an petition your State government to break the entrepreneur's monopoly. Or you can run for office yourself - even if you lose you still bring attention to the issue.
>>>The true 1984 will come, when all your health records will be known to the Federal Government so that it can monitor both the health care you are getting and whether you are complying with the unconstitutional mandate to carry health insurance. >>>
Unconstitutional is right. I'm not paying any damn ~$2500 fine just because I don't have health insurance. So if I suddenly disappear during 2010, first you can party, and then second you can come visit me in jail. The Constitution gives to the U.S. no power to fine people for not buying a product. What's next? I'll be fined because I bought a conventional Civic instead of the "green" hybrid version? Any such power has been reserved to the STATES or the people.
The U.S. can take its unconstitutional fines and shove them up its marble ass.
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>>>If fact it does not take 56kbs to transmit analogue voice but something closer to 28k will get reasonable quality
You can get voice quality as low as 8 kbit/s using a cellphone voice codec
Or if you're looking for music-quality reproduction then AAC+SBR will get you as low as 16k. Try it - http://classic.shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=220024&file=filename.pls or- http://classic.shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=327466&file=filename.pls Or- http://classic.shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=435962&file=filename.pls Or- http://classic.shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=403869&file=filename.pls
Or 12k for AM Radio quality - http://classic.shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=459250&file=filename.pls (Radio Jackie London) http://classic.shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=225101&file=filename.pls
>>>you want the same line to carry the same traffic, plus internet traffic, plus ip headers, plus voip/tcp/udp/whateverp headers. And you think you'll get something decent? Good luck with that.
Yes. The analog phone line is limited from 0 to 4000 hertz bandwidth. It's worse quality than AM radio (~10,000 hertz). If you do VOIP over a dialup modem, you can use digital compression equal to 48k AAC+SBR and achieve FM quality (0-to-15,000 hertz). So yes it's more efficient and it also sounds better.
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Yes 48k AAC+SBR can sound as good as FM radio - http://yp.shoutcast.com/sbin/tunein-station.pls?id=520194
A "true" POTS line cannot carry DSL. It is bandwidth limited from 0 to 4000 hertz, and travels over many many miles. It's also why a dialup modem maxes-out at 56k - it's trying to squeeze all the information into a narrow bandwidth.
A DSL line has no upper bound, but it's limited to 1-2 miles maximum distance.
So a POTS line and DSL line are not the same, just like a Mac floppy and PC floppy are not the same.
I have broadband but I oppose disconnecting the old phone system for the following reasons:
- When my DSL stopped working a few weeks ago (DSLAM needed replacement) I then used dialup to access the internet. 50k is slow but still useful for emailing, listening to online radio, or even watching youtube.
- Dialup is portable. I can use it any place and any hotel that has a phone line. No need to pay the outrageous $5-10/night the hotel charges for wireless or wired access.
- If a three strike law happens, my DSL or Cable ISP might pull the plug, but my dialup will still be there for backup.
- This morning when the electricity died, the wired phone was the only thing that still worked. Good to have for emergency.
It's possible to have a "no winner" situation if MS can show prior art existed before the patent was issued, and then the judge will nullify the patent.
APPLE'S NOT ANY BETTER!!! THEY KILLED MY MAC!
I just tried to install security update 2009-005, and after I rebooted my Mac, that was it. Dead. It refuses to reload the OS and just sits there with that puissant spinning wheel. And when I called Apple they refused to help unless I spent ~$200 on their recovery service. Burn in hell, Apple! ! I am never, never, never going to buy another one of your products.
And don't tell me I don't have a right to be angry. That's almost $2000 down the drain. Piece of shit Macintosh
>>>And you, my friend, need to look at a map
SLAP!
Thanks for slapping me.
It was just a typo. I was thinking Montana in my head (the big sky country), but for some reason my fingers typed something else. Like when Pac-Man mysteriously runs through a ghost without dying, even though the program code shouldn't allow that. It happens sometimes. (shrug)
Ironically many of the "may I see the data" and other FOIA requests were turned-down because the CRU claimed copyright over the data. How convenient. Of course now the data is leaked, and we can see why they refused to share it. It had nothing to do with copyright - the leaked data reveals the published papers were fudging the numbers.
Oh and yes there are big dollars in favor of global warming
- like GE (owner of NBC, USA, Syfy, NBC Europe, NBC Asia, and so on). They would lose billions of dollars they've invested in green technology.
It certainly sounds like cause for a reverse lawsuit. After all they never told him he CAN'T install SETI@home or CANCER@home or any other background crunching program
On the other hand, his contract never said he wasn't able to run these types of background calculation programs. Even superintendent Denise Birdwell admitted, "We support educational research and certainly would have supported cancer research." So the issue is not the installation of the program, which would have been okay if the technician had installed Cancer@Home instead.
Furthermore Birdwell said the massive software cost the district more than $1 million in added utility fees and computer replacement parts. How did he arrive at this 1 million dollar figure? Can he produce actual calculations derived from collected data, or did he just pull the number from his nether region?
I would not resign.
I'd tell them, "Sorry I'll uninstall everything," and if they chose to fire me then I'd drag Mr. Birdwell into court to provide proof before a judge that I actually cost the school 1 million in damages. If they can't then it would be unjustified dismissal, and in violation of multiple employee-protection laws that exist when you work for a state government.
Good point.
It's like that in the UK. You have a right to remain silent and not self-incriminate yourself, but if you refuse to give the Key to decrypt your computer's drive so the police can examine it, then you committed a crime and can spend upto 2 years in jail. So you still have the right to remain silent; you'll just be doing it from a jail cell.
Likewise you have the right to backup your copy of Star Wars from DVD, but because you cracked DRM to do it, you will be watching your backup while sitting in jail.
Yes. Kinda like Ken Kutaragi who was disgraced, and then shoved into a Sony office where he still collects a fat paycheck, but has no power to influence anything. It's the Japanese method of forced retirement. Mann and the other heavy-hitting scientists are headed to the same fate - They have their titles, but no power.
>>>Those big money scientists are faking the whole global warming thing so they can rake in the big bucks.
You were modded funny, but this sentence is insightful.
As my professor was just telling me a few months ago: For every 3 physicists, there's only enough grants to keep 1 employed. That's a lot of pressure to produce the desired results so you can keep getting handed "big bucks" aka grants. If I was in that position, rather than lose my job or research grant, I might fudge the data too and keep the dollars rolling in. Apparently these people managed to do it for ~15 years before finally getting caught. That's billions of dollars they would not have been given, if they had not fudged the data.
Meanwhile those who are honest, and didn't hide the temperature decline, well they are "paupers" in comparison since nobody wants to fund them. They were also shut-out from publishing papers or reviewing data. Go read "The Structure of Scientific Revolutions", aka Paradigm Shifts, by Thomas S. Kuhn
And there was a giant lake in Missoula Missouri, which periodically broke-through the glacier/ice dam and flooded Washington State (hence the weirdly-carved landscape).
And before you mark me troll, remember scientists are fallible. They once thought space was filled with "ether" so lightwaves could travel from the sun to the earth. They believed that vehemently for ~100 years, until it was proved light could travel through a vacuum. If they were wrong then (and many many other times), they can certainly be wrong now.
If global warming actually exists, why do the scientists feel it necessary to fudge their numbers? They ought to be able to use the clean data without need for obfuscation, as these climatologists were caught doing.
CPUs exist with 128 bit instructions?
I wonder if my Pentium 4/ 3000 with XP installed will last until 2012.
Probably not.
I just don't trust Windows 7. It's simply Vista + 0.1 incremented version number, which is why I'm still hanging on to my old machine. In my memory the first decade of the 2000s is going to become known as the "XP decade" similar to how the 80s was the "Commodore 64/Amiga" decade and the 90s was the "System 7" decade for Macs, and the 00s was the "OS 10" decade for Macs.
The install disc trick didn't work, and I don't know how to do any of the other things you suggested.
What pisses ME off is that Apple fans say, "Apple never gets screwed up like Microsoft/PC products," and yet here we are. A Mac should not become frakked-up by a simple security download. Furthermore Apple's refusal to help me (other than offer to sell me ~$200 recovery service) makes them worse than MS in my books.
>>>You are aware that there have been well over 200 years of case law between the ratification of the Constitution and now, right?
Constitutional Law still trumps mere opinions of a few judges. A judge may say, "You have no right to free speech," but his opinion is null-and-void in the face of the Law which states otherwise.
As the founder of the Democratic Party observed: "To consider the judges as the ultimate arbiters of all constitutional questions [is] a very dangerous doctrine indeed, and one which would place us under the despotism of an oligarchy. Our judges are as honest as other men and not more so. They have with others the same passions for party, for power, and the privilege of their corps. Their maxim is boni judicis est ampliare jurisdictionem [good justice is broad jurisdiction], and their power the more dangerous as they are in office for life and not responsible, as the other functionaries are, to the elective control. The Constitution has erected no such single tribunal, knowing that to whatever hands confided, with the corruptions of time and party, its members would become despots. It has more wisely made all the departments co-equal and co-sovereign within themselves." --Thomas Jefferson to William C. Jarvis, 1820. ME 15:277
And: "The Constitution on this hypothesis is a mere thing of wax in the hands of the judiciary, which they may twist and shape into any form they please."
Has it not occurred to either of you to just *pay cash* for your birth control stuff? Ultimately it would probably be cheaper (no ~5000 per year free).
But of course you'll probably disagree. Like my niece who told me she pays $200/month for cable television, internet, and cellphone. She believes that's a "great deal" but when I told her I get television for free, internet for $15, and cellphone for $5 per month, her mouth dropped open.
People who invade my house without my permission DO have constitutional rights - but ultimately they will still be found guilty by the jury for breaking-and-entering. Likewise people who invade a country without permission also have rights, but nevertheless still deserve to be deported.
>>>If you're worried about you non-identifiable information then a lot of researchers can get a hold of that data. However I'd argue that data is doing more good than harm by being released.
Yeah but that decision should be MY decision.
Your opinion is irrelevant in matters that concern MY body.
That's the same argument that defends abortion.
Single payer takes away freedom of choice, and replaces it with the evil of a monopoly.
Just imagine if Comcast ran your healthcare, and they'd simply suck the monthly bill direct from your paycheck, and triple it from $100/month to $300/month whenever they felt like it. That's essentially what you're asking for. That's simply another form of serfdom
>>>I don't understand why so many conservatives trust health insurance companies more than the government.
- Because insurers don't hold a monopoly (i.e. if Microsoft Insurance sucks, I can switch to Apple Insurance, or Linux Insurance, or no insurance at all (pay cash as expenses happen)).
- Because insurers can't suck money from my wallet without my permission.
- Because insurers can't dump me in jail, or randomly search my house whenever they feel like it.
- Because insurers can't draft me and send me to die in a hellhole like Korea or Nam or Afghanistan
It's not about trusting insurers, because I don't. It's about fearing my government more. The government is the greater evil.
Yes. After all you can move. Or you an petition your State government to break the entrepreneur's monopoly. Or you can run for office yourself - even if you lose you still bring attention to the issue.
>>>The true 1984 will come, when all your health records will be known to the Federal Government so that it can monitor both the health care you are getting and whether you are complying with the unconstitutional mandate to carry health insurance.
>>>
Unconstitutional is right. I'm not paying any damn ~$2500 fine just because I don't have health insurance. So if I suddenly disappear during 2010, first you can party, and then second you can come visit me in jail. The Constitution gives to the U.S. no power to fine people for not buying a product. What's next? I'll be fined because I bought a conventional Civic instead of the "green" hybrid version? Any such power has been reserved to the STATES or the people.
The U.S. can take its unconstitutional fines and shove them up its marble ass.