FCC: We see Mr. Representative of Google, Microsoft, Apple, etc, that your TV Band technology takes data and dumps into the television channels.
G,MS,A,etc: Yes, that's correct. My patented device broadcasts over top the 6 megahertz channels currently used by television.
FCC: And you've tested to make sure that this doesn't block people's television.
G,MS,A: Oh my, yes. Our research shows that the human television will be unaffected within 30 miles, and only 1/3 of viewers will lose television beyond 30 miles, but they can buy cable if that happens. I have a degree in nothing, but the engineers assure me this is fact. Trust me.
FCC: Well I'm overawed by your colorful business suit and your clearly laid out plans. I see no reason that you can't begin installing the Tv Band devices as soon as possible. Would you like a free antenna?
G,MS,A: Hahahahaha. Heck no. Antenna TV will be unusable after we release our iGadgets... oops I mean..... sure!
>>>>>"The only channels "freed up" when US NTSC ended was 52-69 and they've already been designated for Cellular and Emergency Radio usage." >> >>Excuse me? I'm getting 53 DTV and 59 DTV on my antenna. Better re-check what did or did not get taken out *AND* in which areas, pal.
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Well "pal" those are virtual channels. I too get channels 57 and 61 and 65 and 69 on my DTV, but the *actual* channels are inside the 2-51 limits imposed by the FCC's post-transition standard. Also you'll note I said *US* NTSC. - "(Score: Flamebait)" For once the mods applied a score I agree with.
>>>I'm curious when the FCC is going to figure out that hardly any broadcasters remained on their former analog channels 2 through 6
The FCC knows it. They were the ones who *recommended* stations avoid 2-6. Most listened to the FCC but some (like 6 in Philly) did not.
>>>Broadcasters apparently figured few people would be willing to put up big tv antennas with the longer elements needed for those low channels.
They were right unfortunately. I've heard engineers saying their viewers *refuse* to give-up their UHF antennas and buy a larger combo VHF/UHF. They hear things like, "We used to get channel 8 & 6 but now we don't." They don't understand that these stations were on 58 and 56, and now they moved to their original allocation, so they need to get a new antenna. One station boosted their power so high, you could use a coat hanger and see them. The other station installed a secondary UHF repeater, simply because their viewers refuse to buy the needed VHF antenna to see the real channel.
Over in Europe they don't use VHF at all. The digital television is confined to channels 14 and up.
I have some older PS1 games that start with "Ford" or "Chevy" in the title. And then if you go waaaay back in time, you can find Atari 2600/VCS games (late 70s/early 80s) sponsored by various companies. Example: One of the games is about that giant Punch Bowl blasting through walls and saying "Oh yeah!"
>>>There are more than 51 channels, there are 68 (2-69).
Judas Priest. Can't you read? Quote: "When US NTSC ended was 52-69 and they've already been designated for Cellular and Emergency Radio usage." At one time there USED to be 82 channels (2-83) but everything from 52 up has been deprecated and no longer exist as channels.
>>>Colleges just exist as a nice aggregator of folks who do this, thus leading to a higher concentration of porn streaming per capita.
But college boys have college girls to play with. What do they need porn for? ;-) I can see how this situation might not be realistic though, considering colleges ban torrenting. Just imagine: A 1 million K line and you can't use it for its main purpose. Disappointing.
. . . if this is good or bad. It sounds "good" in theory but in execution we might all end-up with boxes tied to our lines that monitor everything we do.
>>>hosing everyone else's use of those frequencies.
Given recent FCC decisions, I suspect they don't care. After all this agency approved TV Band/whitespace Devices even though they will interfere/block usage of wireless microphones and other A/V equipment. I wouldn't be surprised if they read about this new Florida Experimental cellphone and say, "Approved."
>>>commodore64_fuck >>>This isn't a white-space device running in "unused" TV channels
Speaking of not being able to read. From the article: "The system could augment emerging networks that operate in the unlicensed 'white spaces' recently freed up by the end of analog TV broadcasts."
>>>The idea of normal people running a mobile network has been pretty much suppressed everywhere else
What do other regions (like EU) use the 900 MHz band for? According to wikipedia the US allocation is only 5 TV channels wide, so not a huge amount of room for data usage.
If someone in your neighborhood turns-on their portable phone or baby monitor, this experimental device is supposed to instantly "jump" to another free frequency. Due to digital buffering you won't hear any kind of interruption.
I'd like to see the FCC sell-off channels 1-13, which are basically worthless for DTV (too much noise), and use them for cellular internet (which has better error-handling). There's also a large chunk of old analog CB radio that could be reclaimed between channels 6 and 7.
Yeah I *finally* got it fixed by unchecking "dynamic" in the Discussion menu. Jeez. It should not have defaulted to being turned on. Or else make it more obvious how to disable it.
the system could augment emerging networks that operate in the unlicensed "white spaces" recently freed up by the end of analog TV broadcasts
The only channels "freed up" when US NTSC ended was 52-69 and they've already been designated for Cellular and Emergency Radio usage. These gadgets are verboten from broadcasting in that area.
A recent study by University of California-Berkeley academics revealed how the density of TV stations in metropolitan areas could reduce the availability of white spaces in such areas.
That's true. The "whitespace" idea only works in rural regions, not heavily-populated areas like the North, northeast, or mid-atlantic which use every channel from 1-51 (including the FM band).
Goodbye football game. I can easily imagine this device broadcasting directly over long-distance channel 17 while I'm trying to watch the game (or movie or Glee or whatever). The device will think the channel is "free" because it cannot detect it, and start broadcasting on 17, but in reality it will be occupied. .
>>>Feedback on this comment system?
Yeah it sucks. And it's slow (CPU intensive). And I can't get back to the classic (plain text) index even though I've un-checked and checked it multiple times.
I don't object to taxes that are used for the COMMON welfare (like to build a police force to protect everybody). I object to taxes that serve no purpose but to move wealth from one neighbor to another.
California did a really lousy job of "Deregulating" their electrical markets - mainly because they didn't deregulate. Other states (MD, PA, NJ) have transitioned to Consumer Choice for electricity & natural gas without any problems.
That's reason number one. That's the last place I'd want to build an industry, not just because of me but also my workers would have to deal with the heavy tax burden.
Better someplace that has few taxes & doesn't steal (much) money from the workers' paychecks. Like one of the Carolinas. .
>>>Feedback on this comment system?
Yeah it sucks. And it's slow (CPU intensive). And I can't get back to the classic (plain text) index even though I've un-checked and checked it multiple times.
>>>Your Aspire One with no SSD, smaller screen, lower resolution...
Oh here we go. You remind me of when I visited a car lot a few years ago. I told the salesman, "I told you all I wanted was a basic car for around $15,000. Why are you trying to sell me a $30,000 luxury model with a lot of ____ I don't need? Good bye." - Same applies to your Aspire v. 11" Macbook comparison. Some people don't want to spend almost $1000 on a machine. Some people are perfectly happy with $200 PC or $300 aspire.
Another thing: 768p screen? Really? Mine has 1024p and it's a few years old. I'm not sure I understand why Apple is going backwards? (Uh oh... here come the Applefanboys to mark me "troll") (Not even allowed to give an opinion anymore... like dealing with damn Bible-thumpers.) .
That comment about NiCad is simply not true. I still have some NiCads and they work just fine, even though I only discharge them to about half each time.
But BDSM porn doesn't involve real violence. It's just actors faking it, the same way Jack Bauer fakes slitting open someone's throat.
Furthermore what Australians do in the privacy of their bedrooms (chains, leather, whatever) should be none of the government's business. They are not the damn Catholic church. They are not suppsoed to be imposing christian morality like the pope.
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Translation for those who are confused:
FCC: We see Mr. Representative of Google, Microsoft, Apple, etc, that your TV Band technology takes data and dumps into the television channels.
G,MS,A,etc: Yes, that's correct. My patented device broadcasts over top the 6 megahertz channels currently used by television.
FCC: And you've tested to make sure that this doesn't block people's television.
G,MS,A: Oh my, yes. Our research shows that the human television will be unaffected within 30 miles, and only 1/3 of viewers will lose television beyond 30 miles, but they can buy cable if that happens. I have a degree in nothing, but the engineers assure me this is fact. Trust me.
FCC: Well I'm overawed by your colorful business suit and your clearly laid out plans. I see no reason that you can't begin installing the Tv Band devices as soon as possible. Would you like a free antenna?
G,MS,A: Hahahahaha. Heck no. Antenna TV will be unusable after we release our iGadgets... oops I mean..... sure!
>>>>>"The only channels "freed up" when US NTSC ended was 52-69 and they've already been designated for Cellular and Emergency Radio usage."
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>>Excuse me? I'm getting 53 DTV and 59 DTV on my antenna. Better re-check what did or did not get taken out *AND* in which areas, pal.
(sigh)
Well "pal" those are virtual channels. I too get channels 57 and 61 and 65 and 69 on my DTV, but the *actual* channels are inside the 2-51 limits imposed by the FCC's post-transition standard. Also you'll note I said *US* NTSC. - "(Score: Flamebait)" For once the mods applied a score I agree with.
>>>I'm curious when the FCC is going to figure out that hardly any broadcasters remained on their former analog channels 2 through 6
The FCC knows it.
They were the ones who *recommended* stations avoid 2-6.
Most listened to the FCC but some (like 6 in Philly) did not.
>>>Broadcasters apparently figured few people would be willing to put up big tv antennas with the longer elements needed for those low channels.
They were right unfortunately. I've heard engineers saying their viewers *refuse* to give-up their UHF antennas and buy a larger combo VHF/UHF. They hear things like, "We used to get channel 8 & 6 but now we don't." They don't understand that these stations were on 58 and 56, and now they moved to their original allocation, so they need to get a new antenna. One station boosted their power so high, you could use a coat hanger and see them. The other station installed a secondary UHF repeater, simply because their viewers refuse to buy the needed VHF antenna to see the real channel.
Over in Europe they don't use VHF at all. The digital television is confined to channels 14 and up.
>>>It clearly implies that these networks *ARE* running in unused TV channel-space
Yes I know.
The AC said 'These devices won't be used in TV band'.
I was refuting that; clearly he's wrong.
>>>made this default so they could serve up more advertisement stuff on the fly.
Like Google's instant search. ;-)
I have some older PS1 games that start with "Ford" or "Chevy" in the title. And then if you go waaaay back in time, you can find Atari 2600/VCS games (late 70s/early 80s) sponsored by various companies. Example: One of the games is about that giant Punch Bowl blasting through walls and saying "Oh yeah!"
>>>There are more than 51 channels, there are 68 (2-69).
Judas Priest. Can't you read? Quote: "When US NTSC ended was 52-69 and they've already been designated for Cellular and Emergency Radio usage." At one time there USED to be 82 channels (2-83) but everything from 52 up has been deprecated and no longer exist as channels.
Fone Bone
Or possibly Thorn if you need a female connection.
>>>Colleges just exist as a nice aggregator of folks who do this, thus leading to a higher concentration of porn streaming per capita.
But college boys have college girls to play with.
;-)
What do they need porn for?
I can see how this situation might not be realistic though, considering colleges ban torrenting. Just imagine: A 1 million K line and you can't use it for its main purpose. Disappointing.
. . . if this is good or bad. It sounds "good" in theory but in execution we might all end-up with boxes tied to our lines that monitor everything we do.
>>>hosing everyone else's use of those frequencies.
Given recent FCC decisions, I suspect they don't care. After all this agency approved TV Band/whitespace Devices even though they will interfere/block usage of wireless microphones and other A/V equipment. I wouldn't be surprised if they read about this new Florida Experimental cellphone and say, "Approved."
>>>commodore64_fuck
>>>This isn't a white-space device running in "unused" TV channels
Speaking of not being able to read. From the article: "The system could augment emerging networks that operate in the unlicensed 'white spaces' recently freed up by the end of analog TV broadcasts."
>>>The idea of normal people running a mobile network has been pretty much suppressed everywhere else
What do other regions (like EU) use the 900 MHz band for? According to wikipedia the US allocation is only 5 TV channels wide, so not a huge amount of room for data usage.
If someone in your neighborhood turns-on their portable phone or baby monitor, this experimental device is supposed to instantly "jump" to another free frequency. Due to digital buffering you won't hear any kind of interruption.
I'd like to see the FCC sell-off channels 1-13, which are basically worthless for DTV (too much noise), and use them for cellular internet (which has better error-handling). There's also a large chunk of old analog CB radio that could be reclaimed between channels 6 and 7.
Yeah I *finally* got it fixed by unchecking "dynamic" in the Discussion menu.
Jeez. It should not have defaulted to being turned on.
Or else make it more obvious how to disable it.
the system could augment emerging networks that operate in the unlicensed "white spaces" recently freed up by the end of analog TV broadcasts
The only channels "freed up" when US NTSC ended was 52-69 and they've already been designated for Cellular and Emergency Radio usage. These gadgets are verboten from broadcasting in that area.
A recent study by University of California-Berkeley academics revealed how the density of TV stations in metropolitan areas could reduce the availability of white spaces in such areas.
That's true. The "whitespace" idea only works in rural regions, not heavily-populated areas like the North, northeast, or mid-atlantic which use every channel from 1-51 (including the FM band).
(zap)
Goodbye football game. I can easily imagine this device broadcasting directly over long-distance channel 17 while I'm trying to watch the game (or movie or Glee or whatever). The device will think the channel is "free" because it cannot detect it, and start broadcasting on 17, but in reality it will be occupied.
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>>>Feedback on this comment system?
Yeah it sucks. And it's slow (CPU intensive). And I can't get back to the classic (plain text) index even though I've un-checked and checked it multiple times.
I don't object to taxes that are used for the COMMON welfare (like to build a police force to protect everybody).
I object to taxes that serve no purpose but to move wealth from one neighbor to another.
>>>Enron manipulating
California did a really lousy job of "Deregulating" their electrical markets - mainly because they didn't deregulate. Other states (MD, PA, NJ) have transitioned to Consumer Choice for electricity & natural gas without any problems.
>>>click on "Layout" under "Dynamic Index" and then select "Use Classic Index"
Yeah that's what I meant when I said, "can't get back to the classic (plain text) index even though I've un-checked and checked it multiple times."
That's reason number one. That's the last place I'd want to build an industry, not just because of me but also my workers would have to deal with the heavy tax burden.
Better someplace that has few taxes & doesn't steal (much) money from the workers' paychecks. Like one of the Carolinas.
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>>>Feedback on this comment system?
Yeah it sucks. And it's slow (CPU intensive). And I can't get back to the classic (plain text) index even though I've un-checked and checked it multiple times.
>>>Your Aspire One with no SSD, smaller screen, lower resolution...
Oh here we go. You remind me of when I visited a car lot a few years ago. I told the salesman, "I told you all I wanted was a basic car for around $15,000. Why are you trying to sell me a $30,000 luxury model with a lot of ____ I don't need? Good bye." - Same applies to your Aspire v. 11" Macbook comparison. Some people don't want to spend almost $1000 on a machine. Some people are perfectly happy with $200 PC or $300 aspire.
Another thing: 768p screen? Really? Mine has 1024p and it's a few years old. I'm not sure I understand why Apple is going backwards? (Uh oh... here come the Applefanboys to mark me "troll") (Not even allowed to give an opinion anymore... like dealing with damn Bible-thumpers.)
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>>>Feedback on this comment system?
It sucks. I hate this dynamic index.
That comment about NiCad is simply not true. I still have some NiCads and they work just fine, even though I only discharge them to about half each time.
Stable?
Google admitted the previous version (6) was full of bugs and not stable. I bet 7 is not terribly stable either.
But BDSM porn doesn't involve real violence. It's just actors faking it, the same way Jack Bauer fakes slitting open someone's throat.
Furthermore what Australians do in the privacy of their bedrooms (chains, leather, whatever) should be none of the government's business. They are not the damn Catholic church. They are not suppsoed to be imposing christian morality like the pope.