>>>Is the massive short term pain of a full blown depression better or worse than mitigating that pain for a longer period at lower levels.
Hmmmm. 3-4 years (how long the recession lasted in europe) versus 20 years (how long it lasted in the US). I'd rather rip the bandaid off and/or jump in the cold pool immediately, rather than do it slowly centimeter by centimeter. I'd rather follow europe's policies that ended the recession circa 1933-34
There's also a great deal of DISagreement about the US Depression.
Ever year more and more economists are saying the government stimulus (by Hoover first, then FDR) did nothing to pull us out, actually made it worse, and the depression never really ended until the early 1950s, when government spending was CUT and industries were free to spend money on innovation rather than IRS taxes. They also point to the rest of the world which suffered a shock, but did not use government stimulus, and quickly recovered by 1933 or 34.
>>>their price might fall to the point where even not-so-rich could afford a nice one
Yeah heaven forbid a poor person be able to afford a McMansion. Gotta keep the brother down. Demolish those suckers so the poor can't move in. (God I hate politicians and their stupidity.)
All the windows in my newly-built area are just over 20 years old, and of the triple-pane variety.
There would be zero benefit gained by breaking them, and then replacing them. You would use MORE energy (in manufacture) not less. And yet the way the Cash for Clunkers law was written, they would have qualified (exceeded the age requirement).
Ahhh but in the US a lot of the cars which qualified as "clunkers" were already clean (low emission vehicles). Greenercars.org did a study, and found the energy used to build the new 2010 cars was MORE than the energy (and pollution) if the owner had kept his older 2005, or 2000, or 1990s models.
So the program actually produced MORE dirt, not less.
I never had any "braindead" problem with AOL's Netscape ISP. You dial the number, it connects, and loads your homepage. The end. It even lets me stay connected upto 10 days, so I can bittorrent television episodes or movies.
I don't see how any other dialup provider would be an improvement upon that kind of simplicity?
Opera innovates (tab browsing, remembering open tabs when shutting down, Opera Turbo, Opera Link/sync)
Firefox Sync copies.
I'm surprised the folks at Opera don't just decide to give up, out of frustration that people keep copying their ideas. (shrug) I wonder if Mozilla seaMonkey will also get a sync function.
If I ever found one of these things on my car (which I probably won't), I'd sell it to the highest bidder on ebay.
Then I'd go to jail.
Where I'd write my version of Mein Kampf. And sell it to become a millionaire when I get out. BTW I think it's horrible the US Government was using racial profiling to track this arab student. Apparently it's wrong when the AZ government does it, but it's okay for the US? They should be required to get search warrant FIRST before wire-tapping..... I mean GPS-tapping a car.
Yes SOME of that is okay (not the slavery bits) if that is what the people who live there desire. Haven't you ever watched Trek? Haven't you noticed what happens when the Federation tries to impose its values on other cultures?
BTW the US is not a perfect society either. Women can't go topless (suppression), adults aged 18,19,20 can't drink (more suppression), you can't choose not to buy health insurance (preferring to pay cash instead), you can't grow a plant called cannibis and smoke it, you can't show nudity or use the seven dirty words on broadcast television, you can't decide not to participate in the SSI retirement program (unless you're Amish - they got a special exemption), and on and on and on.
How you would like it if some external organization, say the EU, imposed its values on the US and required nudity, and swearing, and legalized toplessness, and alcohol legal at age 18, and so on? Well Libyans don't like it either, when we do it to them.
AOL is only dead for geeks, who naturally migrate to the latest Shiny Gadget (tm). Lots of average ordinary people still use either AOL or some other dialup service. In fact it's climbed over the last decade:
Dialup (2000) - 19 million Dialup (2010) - 28 million
And you know dialup has that same "cool" factor as playing a record or listening to AM radio. Old school tech man!;-)
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Consider a country with ten people, one making $1M and nine making $1k.
The one making the $1M also happens to be an entrepreneur who likes to create businesses and hires the lower-income persons. If the first guy's income tax is increased to 90%, then he can't create those new businesses. Now you have a man who USED to make 1 million but had to close-up shop because the heavy taxation made it impossible to survive, plus 9 laid-off people living off government welfare.
But the government has no money due to poor fiscal policy (overspending), so it has to borrow the Welfare from China. That's the situation in the USA today. Not quite that bad, but trending in that direction with current policies.
>>>It would be much more irresponsible to *not* have done the stimulus
Well let's see where that stimulus was spent:
- Besides the Slashdot story about sending the money over to Africa (to teach men to wash their penises), the money has also been sent to places like China, India, and Korea for various projects. Now many I'm just a dummy, but I don't see how spending money in OTHER economies is supposed to help stimulate the US economy. Let's spend that "anti-AIDS" dick washing here in our own cities. Link:
Unless a miracle occurs and I find a job in November, I'm going to earn a third degree in Public Policy. Or possibly Business Administration. Haven't really decided which is the best course yet but I know hardware/digital design has reached a dead end. The stuff is getting outsourced to low-cost Indians (and I don't blame the managers; I'd do the same).
I have Lubuntu (lightweight ubuntu)(runs on 128k) and have not had problems either, except I still can't AOL Web Accelerator to work. So I use Opera's web accelerator instead.
>>>What do you mean by "they won't pay for TV"?.....the ability to view a show the day after it first aired, commercial free, for a buck.
You just answered your own question. And a buck an hour may not sound like much to you or I but they are living off SSI.
>>>The television set already has a TV tuner, why do they need to access it through the web
Free TV offers about 40 channels with various shows. Hulu.com offers millions, including shows that never air on television anymore like the Odd Couple, I Love Lucy, the Old Battlestar Galactica, and so on. Plus cable shows (my parents don't have cable). Yeah hulu.com have commercials but so what?
>>>not sure if the dongle quoted by parent has down-scaling
An HDMI-to-composite adapter converts to NTSC analog, which is 480i by default. Of course I would prefer HDMI-to-S-video instead, if such a thing exists. .
>>>The content will be highly compressed or highly buffered which are both annoying trade-offs.
My line is only 750k and it can handle 480p from hulu.com. It looks about the same as a store-bought DVD. Even the lower-quality 240p looks alright (just slightly less than a VHS tape).
>>>If they can manage an iPod they can probably manage AppleTV. If not, then don't buy them one.....Let me guess, and a gentoo media server connected to an openfiler box with iSCSI drives?
Smartass.
>>>>>over 1000 kbit/s? >> >>80 years old, can't figure out how to operate a cable box, but they have gigabit internet access...?
Slashdot Mirror
You make it sound so easy.
I've had 4 interviews this past month, and they all had the same thing in common: ~50 engineers competing for 1 position.
>>>Is the massive short term pain of a full blown depression better or worse than mitigating that pain for a longer period at lower levels.
Hmmmm. 3-4 years (how long the recession lasted in europe) versus 20 years (how long it lasted in the US).
I'd rather rip the bandaid off and/or jump in the cold pool immediately, rather than do it slowly centimeter by centimeter.
I'd rather follow europe's policies that ended the recession circa 1933-34
There's also a great deal of DISagreement about the US Depression.
Ever year more and more economists are saying the government stimulus (by Hoover first, then FDR) did nothing to pull us out, actually made it worse, and the depression never really ended until the early 1950s, when government spending was CUT and industries were free to spend money on innovation rather than IRS taxes. They also point to the rest of the world which suffered a shock, but did not use government stimulus, and quickly recovered by 1933 or 34.
Link to hundreds of college/university professors:
http://www.cato.org/special/stimulus09/alternate_version.html
>>>their price might fall to the point where even not-so-rich could afford a nice one
Yeah heaven forbid a poor person be able to afford a McMansion. Gotta keep the brother down. Demolish those suckers so the poor can't move in. (God I hate politicians and their stupidity.)
All the windows in my newly-built area are just over 20 years old, and of the triple-pane variety.
There would be zero benefit gained by breaking them, and then replacing them. You would use MORE energy (in manufacture) not less. And yet the way the Cash for Clunkers law was written, they would have qualified (exceeded the age requirement).
>>>newer, greener cars on the road.
Ahhh but in the US a lot of the cars which qualified as "clunkers" were already clean (low emission vehicles). Greenercars.org did a study, and found the energy used to build the new 2010 cars was MORE than the energy (and pollution) if the owner had kept his older 2005, or 2000, or 1990s models.
So the program actually produced MORE dirt, not less.
I never had any "braindead" problem with AOL's Netscape ISP. You dial the number, it connects, and loads your homepage. The end. It even lets me stay connected upto 10 days, so I can bittorrent television episodes or movies.
I don't see how any other dialup provider would be an improvement upon that kind of simplicity?
Opera innovates (tab browsing, remembering open tabs when shutting down, Opera Turbo, Opera Link/sync)
Firefox Sync copies.
I'm surprised the folks at Opera don't just decide to give up, out of frustration that people keep copying their ideas. (shrug) I wonder if Mozilla seaMonkey will also get a sync function.
If I ever found one of these things on my car (which I probably won't), I'd sell it to the highest bidder on ebay.
Then I'd go to jail.
Where I'd write my version of Mein Kampf. And sell it to become a millionaire when I get out. BTW I think it's horrible the US Government was using racial profiling to track this arab student. Apparently it's wrong when the AZ government does it, but it's okay for the US? They should be required to get search warrant FIRST before wire-tapping..... I mean GPS-tapping a car.
And what if the scientist IS committing fraud? It's not as if it never happened before:
http://www.the-scientist.com/news/display/55383/
(humor)
Yes SOME of that is okay (not the slavery bits) if that is what the people who live there desire. Haven't you ever watched Trek? Haven't you noticed what happens when the Federation tries to impose its values on other cultures?
BTW the US is not a perfect society either. Women can't go topless (suppression), adults aged 18,19,20 can't drink (more suppression), you can't choose not to buy health insurance (preferring to pay cash instead), you can't grow a plant called cannibis and smoke it, you can't show nudity or use the seven dirty words on broadcast television, you can't decide not to participate in the SSI retirement program (unless you're Amish - they got a special exemption), and on and on and on.
How you would like it if some external organization, say the EU, imposed its values on the US and required nudity, and swearing, and legalized toplessness, and alcohol legal at age 18, and so on? Well Libyans don't like it either, when we do it to them.
>>>One less company to hate.
"Arrogance and stupidity all in the same package. How efficient of you."
AOL is only dead for geeks, who naturally migrate to the latest Shiny Gadget (tm). Lots of average ordinary people still use either AOL or some other dialup service. In fact it's climbed over the last decade:
Dialup (2000) - 19 million
Dialup (2010) - 28 million
And you know dialup has that same "cool" factor as playing a record or listening to AM radio. Old school tech man! ;-)
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I think this photograph is appropriate. And I'm happy to say: No I can't read it.
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Consider a country with ten people, one making $1M and nine making $1k.
The one making the $1M also happens to be an entrepreneur who likes to create businesses and hires the lower-income persons. If the first guy's income tax is increased to 90%, then he can't create those new businesses. Now you have a man who USED to make 1 million but had to close-up shop because the heavy taxation made it impossible to survive, plus 9 laid-off people living off government welfare.
But the government has no money due to poor fiscal policy (overspending), so it has to borrow the Welfare from China.
That's the situation in the USA today. Not quite that bad, but trending in that direction with current policies.
>>>cash for clunkers
Can I get some cash if I go-round breaking windows? Just as demolishing cars made work for assemblyline men, my activity will make work for glaziers.
(Note: Both these ideas are economically flawed. Cash for clunkers/cash for window-breaking are equally stupid.)
>>>It would be much more irresponsible to *not* have done the stimulus
Well let's see where that stimulus was spent:
- Besides the Slashdot story about sending the money over to Africa (to teach men to wash their penises), the money has also been sent to places like China, India, and Korea for various projects. Now many I'm just a dummy, but I don't see how spending money in OTHER economies is supposed to help stimulate the US economy. Let's spend that "anti-AIDS" dick washing here in our own cities. Link:
http://www.bankruptingamerica.org/spending-fail-map/
Ooops and here comes the -1 mod patrol. Sorry but I'm only the messenger. Go attack the website if you disagree with them.
I know I gave up.
Unless a miracle occurs and I find a job in November, I'm going to earn a third degree in Public Policy. Or possibly Business Administration. Haven't really decided which is the best course yet but I know hardware/digital design has reached a dead end. The stuff is getting outsourced to low-cost Indians (and I don't blame the managers; I'd do the same).
I have Lubuntu (lightweight ubuntu)(runs on 128k) and have not had problems either, except I still can't AOL Web Accelerator to work. So I use Opera's web accelerator instead.
Bribe them to promote Ubuntu (and linux in general)? No sense throwing away skilled laborers.
>>>What do you mean by "they won't pay for TV"? .....the ability to view a show the day after it first aired, commercial free, for a buck.
You just answered your own question.
And a buck an hour may not sound like much
to you or I but they are living off SSI.
>>>The television set already has a TV tuner, why do they need to access it through the web
Free TV offers about 40 channels with various shows. Hulu.com offers millions, including shows that never air on television anymore like the Odd Couple, I Love Lucy, the Old Battlestar Galactica, and so on. Plus cable shows (my parents don't have cable). Yeah hulu.com have commercials but so what?
Thnx
They definitely won't pay for TV. If I could give them access to the free hulu.com, then it would be worth buying, but definitely not for money.
>>>not sure if the dongle quoted by parent has down-scaling
An HDMI-to-composite adapter converts to NTSC analog, which is 480i by default. Of course I would prefer HDMI-to-S-video instead, if such a thing exists.
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>>>The content will be highly compressed or highly buffered which are both annoying trade-offs.
My line is only 750k and it can handle 480p from hulu.com. It looks about the same as a store-bought DVD. Even the lower-quality 240p looks alright (just slightly less than a VHS tape).
>>>If they can manage an iPod they can probably manage AppleTV. If not, then don't buy them one.....Let me guess, and a gentoo media server connected to an openfiler box with iSCSI drives?
Smartass.
>>>>>over 1000 kbit/s?
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>>80 years old, can't figure out how to operate a cable box, but they have gigabit internet access...?
And dumb too.
Wow you made that so easy.
Microsoft disabled my X360. No more online streaming.