I heard about the movie, and didn't go see it (as I suspect many people also did not).
I was making the point that the astroturf hype surrounding the first movie was a case of "fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me"
IOW - it's not the kind of thing that's going to work as a long term marketing strategy, and that this phenomenon will likely fade away. It's 15 minutes are already up.
Did flightless creatures slowly develop functionless stubs on their backs, and generation after generation, these functionless stubs got bigger and bigger, even though they may not have offered any advantage, even though they may have offered severe survival disadvantage? Then at some point, they developed to where they were functional?
Or did the first flying lizard hatch from non-flying lizard parents' eggs, with fully developed wings, and behaviors to effectively utilize those wings, with at least enough usefullness to improve it's survival?
Well, there are basically two camps in the Christian world, and a third, loosely wedged inbetween.
There are the "bible believers", who insist that the Bible is 100% accurate and true - word for word, the Perfect result of God's Will. In that case one cannot believe otherwise, that the Earth is around 6000 years old, and you need to fabricate some kind of delusional architecture to rationalize this and scientific evidence. There's the passage that states that Pi is 3. That's enough for me. I can prove that's wrong on a sheet of paper right in front of me. One can also look at the various widely divergent groups that have splintered off from Catholicism; all claiming to be "bible-believing"; all disagreeing on many major points.
Then there are the "fallibists", who believe that the Bible is flawed, either by error or translation and reproduction, or purposefully, for nefarious purposes.
fallibists have to believe that some part of the Bible is true, but who is to decide what parts? The reader? The Holy Spirit? it's a big mess.
Wedged inbetween are the ones who try to rationalize it by saying that parts of scripture should not be interpreted literally, and that the story of creation talks about days, but days to God are really millions of years. There is even a little bit of Biblical scholarship I believe, that backs this up (language of the period was a bit sketchy when it came to talking about numbers, especially magnitudes). But at some point, these folks have to admit that they are fallibists, because you must accept that the words, as written, do not adequately communicate the message, because everyone who reads it, gets a different meaning. That runs counter to the whole purpose of language, and you'd think that a Perfect Being with Omnipotent Will would be able to ensure that things went smoothly in the translation and dissemination, in order to prevent a corruption of His message.
So, if we accept that the Bible is flawed (whether one believes or not), we can throw out this childish concept that Darwinism and Science are evil lies spread by Satan.
The theological problem this creates though, is that Christians have no solid basis for rituals, or laws. And therefore, all religious authority is basically folly.
I've read the Bible, and some of the quotes from that Jesus guy seem to agree on THAT point.
Whichever school of thought on Biblical authenticity is correct, you still cannot escape the fact that even "strict" interpretations vary and differ widely. So accepting fallibism doesn't really threaten anything. When the Bible becomes more important than the God, you should re-think your relationship with said God.
zeitlow wrote:
The pay wasn't very good it was only $8 starting out and if you were super lucky and had your 8 minute call time average, among other things. Hurry up get them off the phone, we don't care if it is fixed, as long as you have an 8 minute call time, you would get a whole $.50 raise
This is pretty standard throughout the tech support industry. At my company, we flirted with policies like that for many years, and there's definately that emphasis for first line support, but in the end, we all realized, and 2nd line had to make this point to management, that quantity of calls does not equal quality, and in some cases, using bandaids to mask problems will make the situation worse, because if it doesn't get into more capable hands, and get some time spent, a bug can end up costing the company a lot of money in answering repeated calls on the same problem. Once the more experienced techs can point to some problem like this; "we get X calls a day on this issue, costing us Y. The method of dealing with this problem is a reinstall, but we never get the troubleshooting info because nobody wants us to spend the time working on it. All it will take is one 2nd line tech working on this case, and we can reduce the call time for this issue to the time it takes to get the customer to download the patch. Tech bulletins can eliminate some of those calls, and the next release will eliminate all of them if we can get the bugfix worked into the next release (which happens a lot less often than you'd think)."
It's just a matter of explaining the costs to the bean counters.
The security just wasn't about losing his or her job.
If you give out another customer's personal information for any reason other than the strict guidelines, if the situation isn't as it was represented, you could be giving the info of a target TO the child molester. You could not only open AOL up to a lawsuit, but yourself, personally as well. $7/hr is one thing, but being held financially responsible for a death or molestation is another. Stick to the plan, follow orders.
"Another example to think about here is the impressive number of young nekkid chicks all over the Web -- how many of them actually understand that those pictures will never, ever go away? "
I often wonder this myself. I think that this will be somewhat mitigated by the fact that there are SO SO many of them. Just like all the people who smoked pot or snorted coke in the 70's. "everybody does it" diminishes the badness of it until we have a US President who was a blow monkey.
I just can't wait until the nudie teenage anal sex pics of the US President in 2020 are posted.
about all the bible says about fair use, is that you can (and should) copy the bible, and spread His word, but if you change one bit of it, add to it, or subtract from it, you're fucked.
I guess the council of nicea is probably looking at some hard time in the hot room.
This is data from slide shows at meetings at the Chicago Adler Planetarium, like 20 years ago. (we were the Chicago Society for Space Settlement, then we kind of merged with L5) Haven't seen much on the technology since then.
The plan was to establish a permanent moon base, mine silicon dioxide from the surface, use solar furnaces on the moon to forge photovoltaics, use a mass driver to launch the stuff back towards earth. Assemble huge arrays of solar panels in earth orbit (I think, geosynchronous). Beam energy back to earth using microwaves to huge areas of land purposed to home gigantic (multi square) mile receivers.
They suggested the receivers could even be mounted on a mesh suspended above the ground on telephone poles, and that farming could take place underneath the receivers.
Birds or aircraft flying through the beam would be "adversely affected". Bad weather would interfere with the beam, reducing efficiency of transmission, but not eliminating it altogether.
Spread of the beam would mean surrounding countryside would be subject to lower amounts of microwave radiation, and it was unknown whether the microwaves would do anything to the atmosphere. (like HAARP).
If that's the case, why didn't he say so? Instead of the denials and claiming, "I don't recall" etc.
If anything, Gore lost at least as many votes to Campaign Financing FUD than he did to Nader. (in fact, many of the votes that went to Nader were BECAUSE of the campaign financing FUD).
So if he didn't do anything wrong, why didn't he stand up and say something? He could have at least pulled an Oliver North. Damn, what Gore DID say and do just made him look like a spineless liar.
No, I *DO* care what my employee, the president of the united states does, on MY time. I pay lots of taxes, he is MY employee, and if he's running around his office, chasing skirts instead of attending to the business of not getting the whole world blown up, or how about, keeping the economy running.
I can't say that I'm happy about illegally selling arms or some of the bad things that #40 and #41 were accused of doing. I think that these men should be held to VERY high moral and ethical standards. Not because they are personally benefitting by having their names recorded in the history books, or getting million dollar checks for giving speeches or writing books, but because, if they fuck up, a whole lot of people could potentially suffer. As far as I'm concerned, every second of the clock that ticks by from one inaugural speech to the next, that fucker better be doing nothing other than running the country. I don't even believe that the president should be allowed vacations.
I mean, I've worked sucky jobs where I didn't get to take vacations for years. Many people go decades without taking vacations. I think that if a person wants the job of president, they ought to be prepared to go 4 lousy years without a vacation. I mean, we pay them enough. THey ought to be ready for the awesome responsibility.
I also think that a lot of the elitism is coming from people who believe that wealth and privilege count more in this country than individual worth and effort.
Clearly Mr. Bush, and Mr. Gore are a perfect example of the "wealth and privilege" deal.
As I was raised to "believe in democracy", that it's the best form of government, because people are given the opportunity to lead based on their ability to prove to voters their worth. I and many others feel that the system is obviously broken because people of no worth are consistently elected to lead. And in the case of Bush, it's is eminently evident that it's his family name, and privileges and connections that got him where he was today, rather than intelligence.
Obviously, connections and wealth and influence are good traits for a president to have. But that does not result in a fair system of government for those who are not from a wealthy, politically connected family.
I think this is the root of #43's perception problem. And it will be unsurmountable, unless #43 does something to prove his actual worth as a human being.
I was once asked by a marketing guy in my company to come up with some items for a FAQ he wanted to put on the web.
Towards the end, I was running out of material, and on the item about performance statistics I put, in parenthesis, (just put in whatever numbers you guys can pull out of your asses).
The moron just cut and pasted the whole thing to the web page. Two months later, we got a complaint from a VP who read it. Who got in trouble, me? or the moron who didn't bother to proofread, or edit material that was to be posted publicly? I did.
Since then I've learned to be VERY careful. In fact, someone who has known me for 8 years, recently remarked that I've become very spineless in my emails recently. Well, now y'all know why.
Franklin wrote that the reason why he didn't want to patent the idea was to encourage demand for the iron parts his buddy was making.
We have a different situation here in the 21st century; manufacturing is no longer profitable, competition cuts margins, unless you have a monopoly. It's information that's in demand - and the patent system as it stands today, gives companies a monopoly on the information. RAM manufacturers are fucked as it is, competing for razon thin margins. Then RAMBUS comes along, and decides to strap on the extra LARGE toy. . . What's more valuable? A $3 billion fab? or a patent on SDRAM?
yeah, the only time I ever finished a lego project was when I physically ran out of legos. I would build stuff, and when I was done building it, I would find places to put all those other legos that I had left over - whether they belonged or not.
Yeah, well the native population brought the dogs with them when they originally settled the islands. Specifically as a source of food. Along with pigs, and chickens. Instead of domesticating them, they realized, hey, we're on an island, where are they going to run to? So they let them run wild.
Actually, it's kind of strange, because the dogs do not attack people, not even children. The people beat them, so the dogs stay away from them. About the only annoyance they pose is getting into the garbage. (just like my dogs). But the strange thing is, you look at these dogs, and they look like they're well taken care of. Clean coats, no obvious parasites, they don't look like they're starving. The only clue that they're not someone's pet is that there's no collar.
I remember when I was young, and wanted to be an astronaut, and I studied space exploration. Alan Shepard was the man. The book said that the USSR also sent a man into space (unnamed), before that.
I got books out of the library, and found out that Alan Shepard was not the first man in space, and didn't even really go into space - a suborbital flight. Now, I had been told that the USSR was evil, and that the commies wanted to nuke us all, but I made it a point to memorize that strange name, Yuri Gagarin, because HE was the first man in space. I don't think I trusted anything I was taught in school after that point in time.
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what would the world be like today if the Russians hadn't stopped, and had the cash and the will to go to Mars (to REALLY make it the red planet)?
The US Govt would have decided it would have been cheaper to nuke them rather than to beat them to Mars.
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As a former member of the L5 society, beaming power back to Earth via microwaves has it's own rather nasty environmental problems. It may be the only sustainable industrial power source long-term if a fusion solution isn't found, though.
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We will not wait. We will dual-boot to classic for those functions until the patch is ready. It's not THAT big of a deal.
For all the other stuff, no crashing is a big change compared to what we Mac OS users are used to.
I think you will be disappointed in the performance of OS X on an iMac.
OS X relies a lot on AltiVec, which is only found in G4s, which is *not* available in any system for $900.
I was raised Lutheran,
:(
Then I read the Bible.
Then I became a heretic.
I now attend non-denominational services, and I keep my head down and my mouth shut.
I was joking.
I heard about the movie, and didn't go see it (as I suspect many people also did not).
I was making the point that the astroturf hype surrounding the first movie was a case of "fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me"
IOW - it's not the kind of thing that's going to work as a long term marketing strategy, and that this phenomenon will likely fade away. It's 15 minutes are already up.
Riddle me this, Batman (I'm not trolling here):
How did flight arise?
Did flightless creatures slowly develop functionless stubs on their backs, and generation after generation, these functionless stubs got bigger and bigger, even though they may not have offered any advantage, even though they may have offered severe survival disadvantage? Then at some point, they developed to where they were functional?
Or did the first flying lizard hatch from non-flying lizard parents' eggs, with fully developed wings, and behaviors to effectively utilize those wings, with at least enough usefullness to improve it's survival?
Well, there are basically two camps in the Christian world, and a third, loosely wedged inbetween.
There are the "bible believers", who insist that the Bible is 100% accurate and true - word for word, the Perfect result of God's Will. In that case one cannot believe otherwise, that the Earth is around 6000 years old, and you need to fabricate some kind of delusional architecture to rationalize this and scientific evidence. There's the passage that states that Pi is 3. That's enough for me. I can prove that's wrong on a sheet of paper right in front of me. One can also look at the various widely divergent groups that have splintered off from Catholicism; all claiming to be "bible-believing"; all disagreeing on many major points.
Then there are the "fallibists", who believe that the Bible is flawed, either by error or translation and reproduction, or purposefully, for nefarious purposes.
fallibists have to believe that some part of the Bible is true, but who is to decide what parts? The reader? The Holy Spirit? it's a big mess.
Wedged inbetween are the ones who try to rationalize it by saying that parts of scripture should not be interpreted literally, and that the story of creation talks about days, but days to God are really millions of years. There is even a little bit of Biblical scholarship I believe, that backs this up (language of the period was a bit sketchy when it came to talking about numbers, especially magnitudes). But at some point, these folks have to admit that they are fallibists, because you must accept that the words, as written, do not adequately communicate the message, because everyone who reads it, gets a different meaning. That runs counter to the whole purpose of language, and you'd think that a Perfect Being with Omnipotent Will would be able to ensure that things went smoothly in the translation and dissemination, in order to prevent a corruption of His message.
So, if we accept that the Bible is flawed (whether one believes or not), we can throw out this childish concept that Darwinism and Science are evil lies spread by Satan.
The theological problem this creates though, is that Christians have no solid basis for rituals, or laws. And therefore, all religious authority is basically folly.
I've read the Bible, and some of the quotes from that Jesus guy seem to agree on THAT point.
Whichever school of thought on Biblical authenticity is correct, you still cannot escape the fact that even "strict" interpretations vary and differ widely. So accepting fallibism doesn't really threaten anything. When the Bible becomes more important than the God, you should re-think your relationship with said God.
there was a BWP2?
zeitlow wrote:
The pay wasn't very good it was only $8 starting out and if you were super lucky and had your 8 minute call time average, among other things. Hurry up get them off the phone, we don't care if it is fixed, as long as you have an 8 minute call time, you would get a whole $.50 raise
This is pretty standard throughout the tech support industry. At my company, we flirted with policies like that for many years, and there's definately that emphasis for first line support, but in the end, we all realized, and 2nd line had to make this point to management, that quantity of calls does not equal quality, and in some cases, using bandaids to mask problems will make the situation worse, because if it doesn't get into more capable hands, and get some time spent, a bug can end up costing the company a lot of money in answering repeated calls on the same problem. Once the more experienced techs can point to some problem like this; "we get X calls a day on this issue, costing us Y. The method of dealing with this problem is a reinstall, but we never get the troubleshooting info because nobody wants us to spend the time working on it. All it will take is one 2nd line tech working on this case, and we can reduce the call time for this issue to the time it takes to get the customer to download the patch. Tech bulletins can eliminate some of those calls, and the next release will eliminate all of them if we can get the bugfix worked into the next release (which happens a lot less often than you'd think)."
It's just a matter of explaining the costs to the bean counters.
The security just wasn't about losing his or her job.
If you give out another customer's personal information for any reason other than the strict guidelines, if the situation isn't as it was represented, you could be giving the info of a target TO the child molester. You could not only open AOL up to a lawsuit, but yourself, personally as well. $7/hr is one thing, but being held financially responsible for a death or molestation is another. Stick to the plan, follow orders.
vulg4r_m0nk wrote:
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"Another example to think about here is the impressive number of young nekkid chicks all over the Web -- how many of them actually understand that those pictures will never, ever go away? "
I often wonder this myself. I think that this will be somewhat mitigated by the fact that there are SO SO many of them. Just like all the people who smoked pot or snorted coke in the 70's. "everybody does it" diminishes the badness of it until we have a US President who was a blow monkey.
I just can't wait until the nudie teenage anal sex pics of the US President in 2020 are posted.
"I didn't ejaculate. .
yeah, right.
about all the bible says about fair use, is that you can (and should) copy the bible, and spread His word, but if you change one bit of it, add to it, or subtract from it, you're fucked.
I guess the council of nicea is probably looking at some hard time in the hot room.
"A single bullet placed right where it needs to be is much, much more valuable than 50 sprayed in the general area."
- apparently, you've never heard of "supressive fire".
. . . in other words, he's mad as hell, and he's not going to take it anymore.
This is data from slide shows at meetings at the Chicago Adler Planetarium, like 20 years ago. (we were the Chicago Society for Space Settlement, then we kind of merged with L5) Haven't seen much on the technology since then.
The plan was to establish a permanent moon base, mine silicon dioxide from the surface, use solar furnaces on the moon to forge photovoltaics, use a mass driver to launch the stuff back towards earth. Assemble huge arrays of solar panels in earth orbit (I think, geosynchronous). Beam energy back to earth using microwaves to huge areas of land purposed to home gigantic (multi square) mile receivers.
They suggested the receivers could even be mounted on a mesh suspended above the ground on telephone poles, and that farming could take place underneath the receivers.
Birds or aircraft flying through the beam would be "adversely affected". Bad weather would interfere with the beam, reducing efficiency of transmission, but not eliminating it altogether.
Spread of the beam would mean surrounding countryside would be subject to lower amounts of microwave radiation, and it was unknown whether the microwaves would do anything to the atmosphere. (like HAARP).
When a person lands on mars, they'll be able to go to the probe and -- it, and THEN it will work.
It's just in a blue-funk.
Obviously he's not related to Hilary Rosen (head of the RIAA).
If that's the case, why didn't he say so? Instead of the denials and claiming, "I don't recall" etc.
If anything, Gore lost at least as many votes to Campaign Financing FUD than he did to Nader. (in fact, many of the votes that went to Nader were BECAUSE of the campaign financing FUD).
So if he didn't do anything wrong, why didn't he stand up and say something? He could have at least pulled an Oliver North. Damn, what Gore DID say and do just made him look like a spineless liar.
Just because he knows about the constitution doesn't mean he wants it upheld. Secret agendas and all.
No, I *DO* care what my employee, the president of the united states does, on MY time. I pay lots of taxes, he is MY employee, and if he's running around his office, chasing skirts instead of attending to the business of not getting the whole world blown up, or how about, keeping the economy running.
I can't say that I'm happy about illegally selling arms or some of the bad things that #40 and #41 were accused of doing. I think that these men should be held to VERY high moral and ethical standards. Not because they are personally benefitting by having their names recorded in the history books, or getting million dollar checks for giving speeches or writing books, but because, if they fuck up, a whole lot of people could potentially suffer. As far as I'm concerned, every second of the clock that ticks by from one inaugural speech to the next, that fucker better be doing nothing other than running the country. I don't even believe that the president should be allowed vacations.
I mean, I've worked sucky jobs where I didn't get to take vacations for years. Many people go decades without taking vacations. I think that if a person wants the job of president, they ought to be prepared to go 4 lousy years without a vacation. I mean, we pay them enough. THey ought to be ready for the awesome responsibility.
I also think that a lot of the elitism is coming from people who believe that wealth and privilege count more in this country than individual worth and effort.
Clearly Mr. Bush, and Mr. Gore are a perfect example of the "wealth and privilege" deal.
As I was raised to "believe in democracy", that it's the best form of government, because people are given the opportunity to lead based on their ability to prove to voters their worth. I and many others feel that the system is obviously broken because people of no worth are consistently elected to lead. And in the case of Bush, it's is eminently evident that it's his family name, and privileges and connections that got him where he was today, rather than intelligence.
Obviously, connections and wealth and influence are good traits for a president to have. But that does not result in a fair system of government for those who are not from a wealthy, politically connected family.
I think this is the root of #43's perception problem. And it will be unsurmountable, unless #43 does something to prove his actual worth as a human being.
I was once asked by a marketing guy in my company to come up with some items for a FAQ he wanted to put on the web.
Towards the end, I was running out of material, and on the item about performance statistics I put, in parenthesis, (just put in whatever numbers you guys can pull out of your asses).
The moron just cut and pasted the whole thing to the web page. Two months later, we got a complaint from a VP who read it. Who got in trouble, me? or the moron who didn't bother to proofread, or edit material that was to be posted publicly? I did.
Since then I've learned to be VERY careful. In fact, someone who has known me for 8 years, recently remarked that I've become very spineless in my emails recently. Well, now y'all know why.
Franklin wrote that the reason why he didn't want to patent the idea was to encourage demand for the iron parts his buddy was making.
We have a different situation here in the 21st century; manufacturing is no longer profitable, competition cuts margins, unless you have a monopoly. It's information that's in demand - and the patent system as it stands today, gives companies a monopoly on the information. RAM manufacturers are fucked as it is, competing for razon thin margins. Then RAMBUS comes along, and decides to strap on the extra LARGE toy. . . What's more valuable? A $3 billion fab? or a patent on SDRAM?
yeah, the only time I ever finished a lego project was when I physically ran out of legos. I would build stuff, and when I was done building it, I would find places to put all those other legos that I had left over - whether they belonged or not.
.
Maybe I was a little obsessive/compulsive. .
Yeah, well the native population brought the dogs with them when they originally settled the islands. Specifically as a source of food. Along with pigs, and chickens. Instead of domesticating them, they realized, hey, we're on an island, where are they going to run to? So they let them run wild.
Actually, it's kind of strange, because the dogs do not attack people, not even children. The people beat them, so the dogs stay away from them. About the only annoyance they pose is getting into the garbage. (just like my dogs). But the strange thing is, you look at these dogs, and they look like they're well taken care of. Clean coats, no obvious parasites, they don't look like they're starving. The only clue that they're not someone's pet is that there's no collar.
I remember when I was young, and wanted to be an astronaut, and I studied space exploration. Alan Shepard was the man. The book said that the USSR also sent a man into space (unnamed), before that.
I got books out of the library, and found out that Alan Shepard was not the first man in space, and didn't even really go into space - a suborbital flight. Now, I had been told that the USSR was evil, and that the commies wanted to nuke us all, but I made it a point to memorize that strange name, Yuri Gagarin, because HE was the first man in space. I don't think I trusted anything I was taught in school after that point in time.
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what would the world be like today if the Russians hadn't stopped, and had the cash and the will to go to Mars (to REALLY make it the red planet)?
The US Govt would have decided it would have been cheaper to nuke them rather than to beat them to Mars.
- - -
As a former member of the L5 society, beaming power back to Earth via microwaves has it's own rather nasty environmental problems. It may be the only sustainable industrial power source long-term if a fusion solution isn't found, though.