"Nope, Avitec is Motorola tech, it is IBM who are dragging their feet on it. Apple's next gen. machines will contain Motorola G4's w/Avitec."
I'm well aware that AltiVec is Motorola's baby. I'm also well aware of the fact that this technology was promised to be shipping two years ago, and we still don't see it. Color me impatient, but this "MMX killer" is two generations behind MMX, and Motorola has done diddly-squat as far as hyping it to the press. Sure they've got whitepapers, but where are the dancing bunny suits?
Rob should have a poll. AltiVec is: 0-I've never heard of it. 0-The magic bullet that will kill Intel. 0-more vaporous and behind schedule than Merced.
I'm sure the stats would be something like: 99%.0001%.9999%
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months." -jafac's law
Okay, so I'm being a little overly dramatic on this issue. But the limitations of PCI would have better been addressed by a better multi-purpose PCI bus, not a specialized AGP bus built by intel to give it an edge in trying to take over a new market. Thank goodness it didn't work, and good riddance to intel from the video chip market. I can't wait until they exit the CPU market too! (I can dream).
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months." -jafac's law
"It's out when it's ready" is the answer of the engineer.
"It's shipping in x-1 weeks" (x=competitor's ship-date), is the answer of the ignorant marketroid, who then proudly presents his budget to the board, who then comes down on R&D with whips and chains to get them to rush the schedule, which causes them to produce a crappy product, which overburdens support even more. . .
See what I'm getting at. Vapor=bad Honesty=good
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months." -jafac's law
PC with 3 PCI slots = A video card, a SCSI card, an ethernet card, or two video cards, and a SCSI card, or use onboard video, and two SCSI cards and an ethernet card, or two ethernet cards and a SCSI card. Versitility, a graphics workstation, a file server with heavy storage, or more network capacity.
PC with 2 PCI slots and 1 AGP slot = Less choices in the above!!! = a market where vidboard manufacturers running scared from Intel make AGP cards instead of PCI cards, so the latest board isn't avail. for your legacy hardware with PCI only.
Make a better PCI bus, chuck AGP in the trash.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months." -jafac's law
I don't know, as far as PPC support from Moto is concerned, they've already shot themselves in both feet, both kneecaps, and are sharpening the straightrazor as we speak.
Moto relies on Apple alone to make ads about how cool the PPC is. Moto priced their clones higher than Apple's boxes. Moto chickened out when MS wanted to play hardball with NT-PPC. Moto didn't release CHRP specs so folks could build Linux boxes. Moto switched internally to Dell machines. Moto drags its feet on the one technology that might save PPC (AltiVec - where are you?!).
All of these things contributed to the slow adoption, and stunted growth of the PPC platform. With friends like that, who needs enemies. I hate intel as much as any person, and for that, I've had high hopes for Alpha and PPC, but now that Alpha is owned by intel, and Motorola seems to be doing more for PPC's demise than intel, I'm starting to wonder.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months." -jafac's law
Actualy, for those guys that says Tom's out to crush and bash the other sites, Tom is the one who first referred me to anandtech.com as another excellent hardware resource, so y'all are full of guano.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months." -jafac's law
Coke/Pepsi? Nobody gives a shit about fizzy, buzzy sugar water. We all get our caffeine high from Jolt anyway. But this is CPUs. The lifeblood of computers, the heart of the geek, and this is important dammit!
or maybe I need to switch to decaf.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months." -jafac's law
I hope this is a message to all you lassez-faire assholes out there. Here we have a CLEAR CUT case of a BETTER product, getting trounced by a larger, competitor that just happens to have more cash and influence.
Sure, Intel is a business, and their business is to make themselves and their stockholders rich. But it's at the expense of a better world for the rest of us, so if all you're interested in is money, then go to www.forbesdot.org, and post your libertarian nonsense there. For the rest of us, who are interested in technology, and advancing the state of the art, we'll keep bashing intel here.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months." -jafac's law
"All the groups and divisions in Motorola are almost like seperate companies."
That would help explain Motorola's schizophrenic behavior: spend tens of millions to co-develop the hottest CPU west of the Pecos, then load up on NT-runnin' x86 boxes from Dell. . .
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months." -jafac's law
This is very bad news. The end of all things pure and good.
Motorola, the biggest manufacturer of the PPC, and the platform's greatest enemy, will now force Metrowerks to go x86-only. What a shame. (no it doesn't make any sense, but this is Motorola we're talking about, the company that, on a temper tantrum, unloaded it's desktops based on it's own CPU, and went and played suck-up to WinIntDell.)
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months." -jafac's law
Wow, go figure. And now there's nothing left of this evil legacy other than AGP, which is just a faster but much, much less versitile PCI bus. I thought the whole point of PCs was versitility. Oops, wrong, the whole point of PCs was cornering markets, and sucking money from consumers. I hope this AGP crap disappears and is replaced by a better, multi-purpose bus, or at least an updated PCI.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months." -jafac's law
So why doesn't someone do a web page, that lists all the products out there, and their original announced ship dates, then all the amendments to that ship date.
I think an unsettling pattern would emerge on such a page. Such a page would probably by word of mouth, end up being a hit magnet of some sort. And perhaps, over the span of a year or three, folks in the cathedral would be less likely to spew vapor.
Just a thought.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months." -jafac's law
I figure it took a good 30-40 years for the bulk of the plutonium dust to settle out of the atmosphere, and wash off the topsoil into the ocean, where we're exposed to much less of it. Unless that is, you eat lots of fish.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months." -jafac's law
Or look at it this way, if he hadn't broken Enigma, we might all be speaking German now, which wouldn't be all that bad in of itself, nor would having German beer available worldwide, nor most German food (a few exceptions), nor German cars, but damn, ever try to go to the drugstore in Germany on a Sunday? They're all closed by law. Now THAT'S a world I don't want to live in. . .
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months." -jafac's law
"3.Send information, not people. This one requires lots of electronics and/or nanotechnology. Why ship people to Tau Ceti ?? Build them on-site. Alternately, clone and in-vitro them, then teach the resultant kids via robotics and advanced AI (Note: James Hogan suggested this idea in a novel, 10-15 years ago...). This is a one-way, colonization-trip concept. .."
This, I believe, was the underlying concept behind The Andromeda Strain (Michael Criton?). The aliens send out a buzillion little plastic pellets, with a genetically engineered organism that survived on the pellet material and gamma rays, as a message to other life, unfortunately, the organism had a nasty habit of mutating into something that caused all the blood in the human body to spontaneously, and instantly coagulate.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months." -jafac's law
"That means that some 9,000 pounds of metallic plutonium has been circulating in our atmosphere for some decades now. We apparently survived, although how well is a matter of debate."
If you've ever looked at the curve of overall cancer rates around the world, how there was a steep climb in the 60's, 70's, it kind of levelled off in the 80's, and kind of declined in the 90's, perhaps there was a relationship there somewhere afterall. ..
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months." -jafac's law
Re:But what's the benefit for science and humanity
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Cassini visits Earth
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All I know, is for the money I spent, the fucker better damn well WORK when it gets there.
I think for every probe that goes out and fails due to a programming glitch or defective anntenna, should be insured, and that insurance money should be paid to ME in the form a of a TAX REFUND. Same for expensive military contractors that run projects grossly overbudget and behind schedule. (Like THAAD, and F-22).
Otherwise, I'm all for sending chunks of plutonium into space. Park that sucker in my garage for all I care.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months." -jafac's law
Slashdot Mirror
Well, with the coming of Mac OS X, soon, the most popular Mac OS IDE might very well be GCC.
(surely I jest)
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
-jafac's law
"Nope, Avitec is Motorola tech, it is IBM who are dragging their feet on it. Apple's next gen.
.0001% .9999%
machines will contain Motorola G4's w/Avitec."
I'm well aware that AltiVec is Motorola's baby. I'm also well aware of the fact that this technology was promised to be shipping two years ago, and we still don't see it. Color me impatient, but this "MMX killer" is two generations behind MMX, and Motorola has done diddly-squat as far as hyping it to the press. Sure they've got whitepapers, but where are the dancing bunny suits?
Rob should have a poll.
AltiVec is:
0-I've never heard of it.
0-The magic bullet that will kill Intel.
0-more vaporous and behind schedule than Merced.
I'm sure the stats would be something like:
99%
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
-jafac's law
Okay, so I'm being a little overly dramatic on this issue. But the limitations of PCI would have better been addressed by a better multi-purpose PCI bus, not a specialized AGP bus built by intel to give it an edge in trying to take over a new market. Thank goodness it didn't work, and good riddance to intel from the video chip market. I can't wait until they exit the CPU market too! (I can dream).
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
-jafac's law
The boards were hypothetical examples.
in 99% of the cases, PCI isn't the bottleneck anyway.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
-jafac's law
"It's out when it's ready" is the answer of the engineer.
"It's shipping in x-1 weeks" (x=competitor's ship-date), is the answer of the ignorant marketroid, who then proudly presents his budget to the board, who then comes down on R&D with whips and chains to get them to rush the schedule, which causes them to produce a crappy product, which overburdens support even more. . .
See what I'm getting at.
Vapor=bad
Honesty=good
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
-jafac's law
PC with 3 PCI slots =
A video card, a SCSI card, an ethernet card, or two video cards, and a SCSI card, or use onboard video, and two SCSI cards and an ethernet card, or two ethernet cards and a SCSI card.
Versitility, a graphics workstation, a file server with heavy storage, or more network capacity.
PC with 2 PCI slots and 1 AGP slot = Less choices in the above!!!
= a market where vidboard manufacturers running scared from Intel make AGP cards instead of PCI cards, so the latest board isn't avail. for your legacy hardware with PCI only.
Make a better PCI bus, chuck AGP in the trash.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
-jafac's law
I don't know, as far as PPC support from Moto is concerned, they've already shot themselves in both feet, both kneecaps, and are sharpening the straightrazor as we speak.
Moto relies on Apple alone to make ads about how cool the PPC is. Moto priced their clones higher than Apple's boxes. Moto chickened out when MS wanted to play hardball with NT-PPC. Moto didn't release CHRP specs so folks could build Linux boxes. Moto switched internally to Dell machines. Moto drags its feet on the one technology that might save PPC (AltiVec - where are you?!).
All of these things contributed to the slow adoption, and stunted growth of the PPC platform. With friends like that, who needs enemies. I hate intel as much as any person, and for that, I've had high hopes for Alpha and PPC, but now that Alpha is owned by intel, and Motorola seems to be doing more for PPC's demise than intel, I'm starting to wonder.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
-jafac's law
Actualy, for those guys that says Tom's out to crush and bash the other sites, Tom is the one who first referred me to anandtech.com as another excellent hardware resource, so y'all are full of guano.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
-jafac's law
Coke/Pepsi? Nobody gives a shit about fizzy, buzzy sugar water. We all get our caffeine high from Jolt anyway.
But this is CPUs. The lifeblood of computers, the heart of the geek, and this is important dammit!
or maybe I need to switch to decaf.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
-jafac's law
I hope this is a message to all you lassez-faire assholes out there. Here we have a CLEAR CUT case of a BETTER product, getting trounced by a larger, competitor that just happens to have more cash and influence.
Sure, Intel is a business, and their business is to make themselves and their stockholders rich. But it's at the expense of a better world for the rest of us, so if all you're interested in is money, then go to www.forbesdot.org, and post your libertarian nonsense there. For the rest of us, who are interested in technology, and advancing the state of the art, we'll keep bashing intel here.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
-jafac's law
Oh hadn't you heard? Those benchmarks were FAKE.
0 08
http://www.techweb.com/wire/story/TWB19990819S0
Lies, Damn Lies, Statistics, Benchmarks. . . political party platforms.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
-jafac's law
"All the groups and divisions in Motorola are almost like seperate
companies."
That would help explain Motorola's schizophrenic behavior:
spend tens of millions to co-develop the hottest CPU west of the Pecos, then load up on NT-runnin' x86 boxes from Dell. . .
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
-jafac's law
This is very bad news. The end of all things pure and good.
Motorola, the biggest manufacturer of the PPC, and the platform's greatest enemy, will now force Metrowerks to go x86-only. What a shame. (no it doesn't make any sense, but this is Motorola we're talking about, the company that, on a temper tantrum, unloaded it's desktops based on it's own CPU, and went and played suck-up to WinIntDell.)
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
-jafac's law
Wow, go figure. And now there's nothing left of this evil legacy other than AGP, which is just a faster but much, much less versitile PCI bus. I thought the whole point of PCs was versitility. Oops, wrong, the whole point of PCs was cornering markets, and sucking money from consumers. I hope this AGP crap disappears and is replaced by a better, multi-purpose bus, or at least an updated PCI.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
-jafac's law
fwiw, IDC tends to be a hair more reliable than Gartner Group.
I trust neither, but IDC doesn't deserve to be put quite on the level of GG.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
-jafac's law
heh.
in my experience, the Win2k DNS server still has some issues.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
-jafac's law
That's what keeps us all honest, eh?
So why doesn't someone do a web page, that lists all the products out there, and their original announced ship dates, then all the amendments to that ship date.
I think an unsettling pattern would emerge on such a page. Such a page would probably by word of mouth, end up being a hit magnet of some sort. And perhaps, over the span of a year or three, folks in the cathedral would be less likely to spew vapor.
Just a thought.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
-jafac's law
I figure it took a good 30-40 years for the bulk of the plutonium dust to settle out of the atmosphere, and wash off the topsoil into the ocean, where we're exposed to much less of it. Unless that is, you eat lots of fish.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
-jafac's law
Or look at it this way, if he hadn't broken Enigma, we might all be speaking German now, which wouldn't be all that bad in of itself, nor would having German beer available worldwide, nor most German food (a few exceptions), nor German cars, but damn, ever try to go to the drugstore in Germany on a Sunday? They're all closed by law. Now THAT'S a world I don't want to live in. . .
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
-jafac's law
Or, go all the way to another star, and use it's solar wind to decelerate, slingshot around the star, then use it's solar wind to come back home.
We need to do this.
As someone else said, this could return a probe from Alpha Centuri within my lifetime.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
-jafac's law
"3.Send information, not people. This one requires lots of electronics and/or nanotechnology. Why ."
ship people to Tau Ceti ?? Build them on-site. Alternately, clone and in-vitro them, then teach the
resultant kids via robotics and advanced AI (Note: James Hogan suggested this idea in a novel,
10-15 years ago...). This is a one-way, colonization-trip concept. .
This, I believe, was the underlying concept behind The Andromeda Strain (Michael Criton?). The aliens send out a buzillion little plastic pellets, with a genetically engineered organism that survived on the pellet material and gamma rays, as a message to other life, unfortunately, the organism had a nasty habit of mutating into something that caused all the blood in the human body to spontaneously, and instantly coagulate.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
-jafac's law
. . . Mars mapping probe. . . that wouldn't be - um Mars Surveyor now would it?
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
-jafac's law
"That means that some 9,000 pounds of metallic plutonium has been circulating in our atmosphere for
.
some decades now. We apparently survived, although how well is a matter of debate."
If you've ever looked at the curve of overall cancer rates around the world, how there was a steep climb in the 60's, 70's, it kind of levelled off in the 80's, and kind of declined in the 90's, perhaps there was a relationship there somewhere afterall. .
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
-jafac's law
All I know, is for the money I spent, the fucker better damn well WORK when it gets there.
I think for every probe that goes out and fails due to a programming glitch or defective anntenna, should be insured, and that insurance money should be paid to ME in the form a of a TAX REFUND. Same for expensive military contractors that run projects grossly overbudget and behind schedule. (Like THAAD, and F-22).
Otherwise, I'm all for sending chunks of plutonium into space. Park that sucker in my garage for all I care.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
-jafac's law
There is still a direct cause-effect relationship between power-lines and plummeting property values.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
-jafac's law