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Win2k delay claimed to be helping spread of Linux
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article about Windows 2000 delay. Apparently Linux has grown from negligible in the '97 poll to 13% today. This is the latest results from IDC, the pre-eminent measuring company. They were measuring business usage. They also talk about the fact that many major organizations are not interested in rolling out Win2k right away, because of being burned before.Update: 08/19 02:08 by H :I've also been informed by a number of people that DevX is currently running a poll along much the same lines.
On a related note, there is a very win-centric developer rag conducting a poll right now about whether W2K delays have influenced your Linux IT decisions. Go to www.devx.com and vote for Linux! Also, I know people that work there trying to introduce Linux content subversively, so if this generates a substantial number of hits, they may broaden there content offerings. jmwalker35 - 'cuz I can't remember my friggin' password
Seriously, you just buy 100 computers, one with the correct version of one of the distros of Linux preinstalled and configured. Then you mirror it to all the others.
Gee, that was so hard.
Oh, and you get StarOffice on it, while popping StarOffice onto all your old Windows PCs, so that everyone has it available.
;-)
Will in Seattle
I heartily agree.
The ship sank. Get over it. (This sig was cut out from another's shirt and painstakingly hand-posted)
An unfounded, uneducated, narrow-minded comment based on the fact that Microsoft is currently in quality freefall and is so totally disorganized and fragmented that half the company doesn't know what the other half is doing.
Yes, it's a stupid comment, but it does reflect how many of us who use NT feel. NT 3.51 was pretty much rock solid, NT 4 started out pretty solid. Nowadays just getting Microsoft software installed can be a nightmare...
Win2K will probably do OK despite all its problems, the U.S. Government will continue blundering along doing a few things well and a lot of things poorly. Network TV will continue to suck (mostly). Life goes on.
But many of use who use Microsoft know how things _could_ be and it makes us bitter.
You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike.
One vote for Jar Jar
Windows 2000 won?t ship by the end of the year.
While you're eradicating stupidity, why not eradicate your SmartQuotes too?
Anyway, it's be nice if Windows 2000 actually shipped in 2000, not 1999 or 2001 - it'd mean that, unlike car manufacturers, software companies actually do know what year it is.
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Perhaps. Still, Linux is a better service pack. ;-)
Time is Nature's way of keeping everything from happening at once... the bitch.
Is koffice and such ready to run VBA?
:(
VBA is dead. even m$ is jumping over to perl..
Will my intranet application still be able to integrate with the spreadsheet?
after a number of inevitable large scale crackes on companys because of the word/excel/vb security problems people will look differently at all this stuff...
The OSS applications are still stuck in the 1990 timeframe in terms of functionality.
having the source to the applications (and of course some scripting capabilites as well) will ultimatly give companys more power for their office automation then anything from m$..
believe me 2001 is the year where linux invades the corporate desktops..
greetings from vienna, austria.
mond.
Linux lib's are worse, some people have glibc 2.0 some have 2.1, there is ever some distros using old ones(hmm slackware). I have also seen people have trouble with GTK. IMHO DLL's are much better. PS: I have never had an over inflated Registry and never will. And yes I do use linux too.
Its all screwed now.
Are you by chance running a Dell desktop? Random keyboard "locking" is a known problem with that hardware, even under Windows.
My favorite newsreader is Agent, but I can't run it on linux w/o a reverse-engineered compatibility layer that doesn't work correctly (WINE)
Have you tried the 073199 version of Wine? Much improved. My Wine works pretty well, except for displaying images, etc. Not sure if there are any settings I can change to fix that.
My long-term hope is for Mozilla's news reader to provide the same functionality. Communicator's definitely needs work, joining of binaries in particular.
Ooh, a sarcasm detector. Oh, that's a real useful invention.
Wow! You actually got to within 9.7 days of the Microsoft Epoch Error! It's too bad you kicked that power cable, you could have told us how spectacularly it crashed on day 49.7.
Has anyone ever had enough uptime to get to this error? If not: "To boldly crash where no computer has crashed before."
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Win dain a lotica, en vai tu ri silota
Bzzzt! Nope :) Again, at my workplace, that's what the 24/7 phone monkeys are for (password resets, etc.). It's a pathetic place -- people get paged to come in at 2:30am when parts of the network go down. One NT box must be rebooted *nightly* to keep it running, and it keeps all the garbage helpdesk software going. >The servers die on a consistent basis. It brings >a bit of stability to my day knowing I don't have to deal with them (my dumb little P120 notebook running Linux keeps on chugging (yes, it's attached to the network and using it) while all the 'doze boxes around it panic and die because suddenly they can't spot their precious domain controller :) *************** I think the problems are with your admins, not NT. Your company would be well served by firing you and the rest of the lot and get some knowledgeable admins in there.
I think many (not all) Windows enthusiasts are like sadomasochistic slaves who like being thourougly raped and beaten all day. Microsoft is basically in the business of taking away freedom from the enduser. People hate the idea of divx, and other closed rent only technology, but this is where Microsoft is going (if not there already). Many companies even my school is forced to use MS software because of their enslavement contracts. As IT department managers start learning about the power of free software operating systems like linux, and netbsd (the most secure free OS on earth) they will force out the NT boxes from there LANs. I broke out of my chains last year and freedom is sweeet.
Slavery is a terrible thing but it is even worst when you don't even know you are in bondage. My advice, take a deep breath and look at your OS, if you have to comprise your standards or sanity to get what you want get done try free software you might be suprised.
Bzzzt! Nope :) Again, at my workplace, that's what the 24/7 phone monkeys are for (password resets, etc.). It's a pathetic place -- people get paged to come in at 2:30am when parts of the network go down. One NT box must be rebooted *nightly* to keep it running, and it keeps all the garbage helpdesk software going.
:)
>The servers die on a consistent basis. It brings >a bit of stability to my day knowing I don't have to deal with them (my dumb little P120 notebook running Linux keeps on chugging (yes, it's attached to the network and using it) while all the 'doze boxes around it panic and die because suddenly they can't spot their precious domain controller
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I think the problems are with your admins, not NT. Your company would be well served by firing you and the rest of the lot and get some knowledgeable admins in there.
I remember those days... My friend had Win95 Beta on his computer, and I remember saying "Wow! You can play TWO .avi files at the SAME TIME? Without the computer crashing?! Amazing!"
I bet this time around (this friend is still a Windows nut) it'll be, "Wow, you can do (thing that crashed Win9x) without the computer crashing? *yawn* So can Linux."
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Win dain a lotica, en vai tu ri silota
you can try out http://www.linuxkb.com/ (not up yet, coming soon) and http://linuxkb.cheek.com/ which are two Linux Knowledge Base projects.
For more info see the Linux Documentation Project. I personally like to access the LDP through http://howto.linuxberg.com/ because I find it easier to navigate.
But NT admins make more than you because they know what they are doing... Ohwell, next flunky please.
BO2K is a trojan. I'm working on a linux version. You look like the perfect candidate gullible enough to run it.
VBA is a perfect tool for small office integration. Without it MS Office would be much much worse product ...
Agreed. But the end users are also savy enough to read the trade press. They go out and buy Office 2000 at home and find the new features. They then want to use the new features at work, and demand that IS installs it. As far as stability. Recent upgrades from Microsoft have been resulted in increased stability and quality. On top of that, it's not like it used to be where they would release a product (Office 4.0) and then the only way you received any bug fixes was to upgrade to the new version. Office97 has had two service packs and several small patches over the past 3 years. I agree that that Linux should do that. Unfortunately the development community is still arrogant and of the opinion that breaking older binaries is an acceptable risk to getting new Kool features. Linux still has a lot of maturity problems, even worse than Microsofts.
but on the money.
Your sig quote was verrrry interesting... Do you remember what M$ promo the first bit was and is it still around anywhere?
I just keep thinking back to when Windows 95 was released and all the polls saying "Oh we're not going to upgrade, we're waiting for NT4"
And then when NT4 was released and all the polls saying "Oh we're not going ot upgrade, we're waiting for NT 5"
And how OS/2 did so well in the meantime waiting for Win95/NT and then how it died out suddenly after NT was released, and...
Don't pay too much attention to these polls, they're pretty meaningless. Right now everybody is saying "We're going to wait." But the day Windows 2000 is released things change... RAPIDLY!
A rollout to a new OS takes about a year for planning and final deployment, so no you aren't going to see many customers upgrading right away. But by 2001 a good chunk of the market will be Win2K with everybody else making plans.
There is no such final ship date.
RC2 is to be released here the end of August.
There will be an RC3 shipped to Microsoft's primary customers(Compaq et al) and if everything is good to go on that, it is going to be declared Golden and ship to production.
Otherwise, they have a RC4, and so on.
The last I've heard... ship date may be late October.
The thing you are missing is MS has never been to the RC stage and delayed a product greatly. RC2 of Windows 2000 will be out in days. Ms posted a new public build last night, which can be considered RC 1.9.
At this point they are even out of the beta stages. There is no way Windows 2000 won't ship by the end of the year.
Companies who run WinNT networks usually need a whole IS department to keep their computers running. These people carry beepers that go off at 2:00 in the morning because the servers crash.
Companies who run Linux/UNIX networks will have an outside consulting firm to set it up, and sometimes a sysadmin person to check on it once in a while. He never loses sleep because the servers don't crash.
This is where the true savings lie. It's not just the fact that Linux is free and WinNT costs a lot. It's that you don't have to hire an entire department to keep the servers online and reboot them at 2:00 in the morning.
"Microsoft realized that the released of Windows 95 and NT 4 were premature, and thus see the need to improved quality control. This is the reason for the delays of Windows 2000. Linux users are scared shitness that Microsoft is maturing as an industry leader."
"Linux is gaining ground while Windows 2000 sputters along, according to a market research firm. Companies are increasing their use of the upstart operating system while delaying deployment of Microsoft's latest operating system for businesses, according to International Data Corporation (IDC)." Of course people are delaying deployment of Win2K. ITS NOT RELEASED YET! Of course Win2k is sputtering along compared to Linux. ITS NOT RELEASED YET! Only Microsoft could create a product with so much hype that, even though it's not even out, it's being referred to as "Microsoft's latest operating system."
At this point they are even out of the beta stages. There is no way Windows 2000 won?t ship by the end of the year.
:)
And now, as any follower of Ifni (or the laws of Murphy) knows, because you've said this, Windows 2000 won't be coming out until Jan 2000 at the earliest
Good luck getting W2K upgrade for $100. Win 98 SE upgrade is selling at $132.98CDN which is about $90USD. That's $90USD for a product that amounted to little more than a few bug fixes, and made an existing Win 95 system even _less_ stable. For what is a major change in a proprietary, closed Operating System, you can expect to pay a lot more than that.
Or Win97? Didn't think so.
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FC Closer
linux.com has a way for you to search for lugs (Linux Users Groups) in your area
Try ordering a book or two, that helps loads.
Check out the ones listed on Alan Cox's website
(http://www.linux.org.uk) he's got a few good recommendations. Especially "Running Linux" is nice.
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Win 32 API is open. Interface is fully published.
... Linux
Turn over ?? And then we all end up with fricking programs that have disclaimer - runs on Windows X, if you install Z runs also on Windows Y, and it doesn't run on Windows S ( and you just happen to have this version of Windows).
You know what this scenarion remainds me of ??
You guessed
At my high school, we have windows systems on a novell network for normal use, i.e. word processing and other simple tasks. These are also used for some of the computer science classes, up to the AP level.
Beyond the AP level, for courses like Artificial Intelligence, Computer Architecture, Supercomputer Applications, as well as Computational Physics (mostly college level courses) we have a lab with something like 40 linux boxes. From what I hear, almost all students in those classes wind up putting linux on their home systems at least in a dual boot situation, and many eventually dump windows completely.
Unfortunately we probably won't be switching the rest of the computers to linux any time soon, but there is some hope, as I spoke to the windows sysadmin and he personally is a linux user and several of our servers already run linux. But he said the school board would need to approve linux before we could install it system-wide, and he didn't see that happening any time soon. But at least there is hope, and I think within 5 years we could be seeing linux as the standard OS in our school system, or at least in my particular school.
It's hard to guess, but I have a feeling that if we deployed linux school-wide, there would be similar (but probably smaller) amounts of students deciding to use linux at home.
Anyone else have experiences like this?
It's rather typical. Linux zealots have gone the direction of the Amiga zealots and the OS/2 zealots.
And we know what happened to them...
Well besides turning into Linux zealots, the OS died because the media became afraid to mention it, and it died out.
Remember Win95? They almost didn't get it out that year... :)
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Unfortunately .. You can't play two avi files on Linux at the same time. Why not ?? Crappy XFree can't handle this load ... ( and on top of that animplayer does not support this codec .. there is however URL to something that supports that, but it is in source code so you have to compile it yourself, which in turn gives you message that you need library X to compile this stuff which ... ... this is a joke.
You know what ?? Fuck that
Until there are commercial apps for Linux forget it.
And I think you do!
Most of them haven't tried Linux either ... ...
Let's see how many of them will be "burned" by that experience
And theh we will talk
I just went to wonko.com. I tried to be post a response to a posting from two days ago. (No one had responded yet.) I got some kind of MS jet/asp error.
Hey Wonk0, Your using the wrong tools for you site.
you need mysql, or Postgres, BSD or linux.
Sincerly,
a wonker
P.S. Is the term wonker coined yet?
P.S.S. How come most of the postings on you site had no responses? Must be alot of excitement for w2k.
Uhh, I'm a little slow. Why exactly is this hilarious? I don't get it. Some inside Linux nerd joke or something?
I'm sure MS hasn't learned anything about customer service from their other numerous fiascos so they'll undoubtedly release Win2000 on December 31, 2000 so the name is right and then patch the hell out of it (I'm sorry, Service Pack the hell out of it) until Win2005 or whatever comes out. I just hope the bosses of the world will really get it into their heads that they don't have to always upgrade to the newest gift from the House of Gates.
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It may not be just what you need, but it may help.
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No. Then companies would just resort to "It'll be out when its out, damnit. Stop asking." I'm not sure which approach is worse.
"Old man yells at systemd"
May I say http://www.netcraft.com and there was even a test with ZDNet that had both MS and RHAT people there.
LOL. So true
"It's out when it's ready" is the answer of the engineer.
"It's shipping in x-1 weeks" (x=competitor's ship-date), is the answer of the ignorant marketroid, who then proudly presents his budget to the board, who then comes down on R&D with whips and chains to get them to rush the schedule, which causes them to produce a crappy product, which overburdens support even more. . .
See what I'm getting at.
Vapor=bad
Honesty=good
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
-jafac's law
These are my friends, See how they glisten. See this one shine, how he smiles in the light.
IDG is reporting that 13% of people surveyed are using Linux. So somebody with 40 Windows NT servers and 1 Linux server in the corner (doing the same work, heh!).
spurting your gooey jizz all over your brand new 19" monitor. it costs nothing, and you can order the secretary to lick it off. fun!
* Quarter 4 1999 (that's September to December, for the slower people)
* 1st Half 2000
* Second Half 2000
* Never - the world will explode on 1/1/00
* Never - Microsoft will explode on 1/1/00 or sooner
* I already have a copy of the gold release, I am eleet.
* Jar Jar Sucks
- A.P.
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"One World, One Web, One Program" - Microsoft Promotional Ad
"Remember when the U.S. had a drug problem, and then we declared a War On Drugs, and now you can't buy drugs anymore?"
First, I love this quote: "Past issues with first-release operating systems from Microsoft have caused organizations to rein in their Windows 2000 deployment plans."
I guess you can't fool all of the people all of the time.
Now the clarification: Linux didn't go from 0 to 13% since 1997, at least not the way you are probably thinking.
In 1997 IDC did a survey of business computing users (presumably CTOs and CIOs). 0% of them said they used Linux. At the time this was probably false because they (the CTOs and CIOs) didn't know about it. Furthermore, this only counts business use, clearly there were millions of installations in other settings.
Now they've done another study and 13% of the respondents said they use Linux. It doesn't say they use it exclusively and this isn't a weighted number. That is, it could be that it was the top 13 companies in the world (ranked by size of IT dept) that said they used Linux 100% each OR it could be the smallest 13% that said they had "one test Linux box".
My basic point is that this survey tells us nothing about the real marketshare (measured in number of machines weighted by their purpose) of Linux, but a lot about the mindshare among CIOs.
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"An armed society is a polite society" -- Robert Heinlein
Linux MAPI Server!
http://www.openone.com/software/MailOne/
(Exchange Migration HOWTO coming soon)
Something like a jaw agape Gates with a ton of stuffed penguins on his lawn or his painings in his house replaced with customizable Linux/BSD CD covers.
The ship sank. Get over it. (This sig was cut out from another's shirt and painstakingly hand-posted)
It has been talked about. But does anyone know whether there is any cite(s) that I can find about the progress on Linux on PDA? Thanks in advance.
quite possibly right but the performance of the www.windows2000test.com server is not exactly a positive advertisment for it when it does ship.
- A.P.
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"Remember when the U.S. had a drug problem, and then we declared a War On Drugs, and now you can't buy drugs anymore?"
From what I heard a few minutes ago, you are right about the Release Candidates. RC1 aka beta 4 will be available in the next few weeks. There might possibly be several RCs, just to fix embarassing cosmetic bugs or show-stopping fuckups. Only the most trusted people will be getting the RCs to test.
But the guy from micro~1 swears on the Oct 7 date, and I've got 6 weeks to be ready for it. Bleh.
the AC
Hemos is like...sci-fi fans;he thinks technology is cool, but he hasn't bothered to understand the science it's based on
It's true that people are happy with the workstation aspects of Win2000, but apparently the server stuff (Intellimirror, Active Directory) is still having some issues in a larger environment.
One possiblity is that Win2000 Workstation will be out soon, but the server version will be delayed by a couple months, and the "Datacenter" server (which supposedly supports 32-way SMP), much later.
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Yeah, used to get that fault reported quite a bit where I used to work (large UK construction company). The opinion there was to blame WordPerfect 8, however the solution was quite simple and didn't involve reboots -> simply unplug and then re-plug the keyboard lead!
I wouldn't bet money on it. I work for a Fortune 50 company that has been brainwashed by Microsoft. They have standardised on Windows 95/98/NT, Office 97 and MS Mail. They are currently rolling out Exchange to replace MS Mail. The Mac users were shipped off to political reeducation camps several years ago.
The company appears to be happy to pay inflated prices for Microsoft bugware. I can understand Windows and Office on the desktops, but why use Microsoft's junk on the servers?
Mea navis aericumbens anguillis abundat
Just in case anyone is still reading this thread...
I'm not a windoze type, I normally just work on networks, and anything above layer 4 is ignored.
The last couple of days I was sitting in a microsoft building listening to marketing droids spew about Active Directory, and announcing as a fact that win2k would have a big kickoff on October 7th. Of course, they were so uncertain as to what was in AD, I doubt these low-level serfs actually know what redmond will do any more than an outsider. Just because they are badge wearing certifiable microserfs doesn't give them any more insight than the press reports they read.
If you want to know where the next big round of security holes on networks will come from, look to active directory. Closed source bloatware security for micro~1 networks where its own security was added as an afterthought.
the AC
Hemos is like...sci-fi fans;he thinks technology is cool, but he hasn't bothered to understand the science it's based on
Doubt it. People are really stuck with Windows - documents, Excel tables, many many applications.. Upgrading is so much easier then moving to a complete new system... That's the whole point of MS monopoly..
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Why cant you just say "It's not for me, it's too technically oriented and too much of a hassle." This is a description of linux that applies to 90% of computer users. And you know what... we dont want you! Use Windows9x and have a fucking blast! Why the fuck are you bitching about something that's free and that you INSTALLED YOURSELF!!
Nobody is cramming Linux down your throat. If you don't like, DONT USE IT. And, BTW, although MS products are largely crammed down our throats, I think Linux users should take the same approach with them. Accurate discussions of technical problems and limitations are one thing.. but bullshit whining (such as in this post) and moaning does nothing but waste time and bandwidth.
Actually, I'm using Linux... I was just quoting the previous poster verbatim.
I have never had problems with GTK, at all, ever.
You can put libraries anywhere all you have to do is edit ld.so.conf. Any problematic binaries you have all you have to do is type in ldd and you will see what libraries they use. You can even see what if any functions you may be missing so you can find a better version of the library. Any glibc problems you may see is a result of bad coding. Libraries are pretty well organized and you can easily see the name and version number of the libraries. (Not that there is no room for improvement though). I run slackware and have no problems with my libraries.
With the inflated registry problem when I used to run windows the registry grew larger and larger. I actually had to use a registry cleaner because it got so bad. Programming for registries is equally horrid. Please if you program for Windows use INI files. Dot files are sweet in unix and can easy be backed up and compressed. Delete your registry and what happens your system? It dies a complete death. DLLs in windows and DLLs in ELF serve very similar purposes, while I don't question the idea of DLLs I question the placement and management of DLLs. To make a long story short, installing new linux programs does not alter your DLL structure, you must independently get your DLLs your self in most cases. That to me is secure. Why have almost every program you install overwrite your DLLs or have many copies of the same DLLs lying around. That to me is not very secure or very rational.
Maybe. The windows registry isn't all that hard to figure out. There are a couple of good programs that track changes to it so that you can learn how to use it. (ConfigSafe comes to mind [yes it does cost money] [argh I hate windows])
I never used to fool around in the registry, and my machine _rarely_ crashed. I started fooling around in the registry and my machine _rarely_ crashed.
As I see it, people view the registry as a kind of mystical magical place that once "virginal" after a fresh install can become "corrupted" with more and more installations. It's a plain old database. Easy to manipulate, easy to figure out. Easy to screw up, yes, but who hasn't left a ; off of a line of Perl? You know what you changed, go back and undo it.
Whining about corrupted registries is lame.
It takes a real hacker to make windows stable. Go play with Linux you wannabees.
Since Windows is going AD, which is compatable with LDAP, Maybe we should be starting to use LDAP more in linux.
I've used LDAP in the past, but it was pretty lame but promising then.
What about Samba? And news on it's compatibility with Win2000?
That's what keeps us all honest, eh?
So why doesn't someone do a web page, that lists all the products out there, and their original announced ship dates, then all the amendments to that ship date.
I think an unsettling pattern would emerge on such a page. Such a page would probably by word of mouth, end up being a hit magnet of some sort. And perhaps, over the span of a year or three, folks in the cathedral would be less likely to spew vapor.
Just a thought.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
-jafac's law
These are my friends, See how they glisten. See this one shine, how he smiles in the light.
RC3 is due by Oct 7, I doubt that the release code will be ready on Oct 7 timeline. RC2 is Aug 25. I'm feeling for a November RTM, meaning in the shops for Christmas. We'll know more once RC2 is out and happening. I have a number of bugs I need chased up before I'd personally be happy with the release.
Andrew van der Stock
heh.
in my experience, the Win2k DNS server still has some issues.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
-jafac's law
These are my friends, See how they glisten. See this one shine, how he smiles in the light.
Um, okay....
"If our customers say, 'ship it,' then this is the one," he said. "But if we still have work to do,
we'll work on the product until we get it right."
-Craig Beilinson, Microsoft's lead product manager for Windows 2000
Does this sound like quality control?
"Shucks! Nun of our bayta tasters komplained real loud. And that 'crak our box' went good - only krashin haf da time. It must be dun! Put away the pointed sticks boys!"
I think what people are "afraid" of of is that M$ will continue to rule the world with horrible products. NT was their one product that didn't suck so bad and if they could build an empire on Win3.1 and 95 people are "afraid" that with one decent product and an ad budget bigger that the money generated from Redhat's IPO M$ will continue to rule unjustly.
Take from Apple - building a better system isn't enough against M$ you also have to fight the hard fight.
If Linux, Apple and other Unixii (and maybe BeOS) can get together and carve the overall percentage of M$'s market/mind share down and make M$ compete on the quality of code issues rather than brand names then we'll be getting somewhere near a more level playing field.
My $.02,
=tkk
Bill Gates - Creationist?!?
fwiw, IDC tends to be a hair more reliable than Gartner Group.
I trust neither, but IDC doesn't deserve to be put quite on the level of GG.
"The number of suckers born each minute doubles every 18 months."
-jafac's law
These are my friends, See how they glisten. See this one shine, how he smiles in the light.
I'm not sure that the delay of w2k has anything to do with the increased number of Linux users. I have to believe that with the media circus Linux seems to be mired in we would be seeing that number grow regardless. OTOH I think that Linux might cause some people from making the jump to w2k because they have had a chance to see how well Linux works and they have to love the $$$ they are gonna save.
... er uh..I mean release cadidate number 2 coming out they will have to test it pretty well and you can be confident that changes will have to be made. They would be insane to rush it any more than they aleady are.
I think MS would be hard pressed to ship that monster this year anyways, with beta
I'll bet my right foot that they area still introducing new "features" into the latest beta..er uh..I mean RC. There is no way that's gonna be bug free.
Okay.
I've been trying to get into *nix for a while now. First tried FreeBSD, didn't get it, dabbling with RH 6 now... still don't get it.
Maybe if it was easier to get into *nix it would spread much farther. And I'm not some clueless newbie, just brainwashed by Micros~1. I do tech support for Windows (hell) and I know how much it sucks, but I'm still completely lost in Linux. About the only commands I know are ls, cd, and pwd...
Anyone have any pointers to some good Linux newbie sites?
Jonathan Wang
I don't know what Muth is refering to, but the service packs were a total Pain in the ASS to install. In fact, sp5 makes the whole system unstable compared to sp4. Sheesh.
I remember those days... My friend had Win95 Beta on his computer, and I remember saying "Wow! You can play TWO .avi files at the SAME TIME? Without the computer crashing?! Amazing!"
I could play 3 AVI's simultanously on a 486-66 before win95 was even released. I used os/2 at the time. And that was 320x200 AVI's, not those stamp-sized things windows had. Crashing the machine was never an issue. The reason for not playing 4 avi's was merely skipping.
Y' know, I've had an interesting time learning about some of the undocumented specs of the win32 api. IN fact, if you know anything about programming for win32, you'll find that it is common practice to try to sneak in some of these things to get your code to work. As far as what is published, heh, good luck.
Today my keyboard stopped working. I think it was because I left top on for too long.
I was barely using the keyboard, just watching network monitoring stuff.
Everything else was working fine except the keyboard would not work.
I had to log in via ssh from my laptop and reboot. That's not the first time that has happened either.
I love using linux much more than I ever enjoyed using Windows. Windows 9x was always a lot more unstable. All kinds of things went wrong all the time.
However, that is not to say that linux is impervious. It isn't. I have had freezes and crashes. It' not my hardware either. I have a very solid and high quality system.
./ers tend to treat linux like some kind of holy grail. It's just a tool, and it's not a perfect one either. It's just the best one for the money as far as I'm concerned.
I'm still waiting for my Crystal sound chip to work on my laptop, and for my Hauppauge TV card to start working. It will at some point. At some point I will want a new computer too.
Damn, do I have to spend more money upgrading to W2k? Are there gonna be some damn W2k-only games/apps out there that will force me to pay $100+ just so I can use them? Is this gonna happen every 5 years or what? MS is really pushing it with customers. Windows 95 was good because it was a big step from Win 3.1. Windows 98 was ok, because it had some added features and stuff, but strangely, the update costed the same as the Windows 95 update. Windows 98 Special Edition? Windows 2000 shortly after? What the hell is going on here!
And Win96(erm...97, wait no... 98) was going to be released in 1996. Just because Microsoft's Vapourware Announcement Department says something doesn't make it so.
Like many people, you're confusing press speculation with actual Microsoft announcements. MS never announced a Windows 96 or a Windows 97.
Despite it's problems, NT4 is the "NetWare 3" of the late 90s LAN - the entrenched market leader. (Before anyone makes any comparison, NetWare 3 wins in many respects, but I remember quite a few abends and configuration nightmares.)
Windows 2000 probably will be a compelling workstation for shops struggling with crappy Win9x, but the server version includes a number of complex and difficult to understand network services aimed at the enterprise market.
This poses a big problem: Larger shops won't want to move to Active Directory (etc) for a while until they've tested the hell out of it. Upgrading is no longer a tactical decision (like NT3.51 to NT4 or NT4 to Linux/Samba), and more of a strategic one which will involve considerable planning and budget and the typical interminable big-IS project BS.
(I don't see much good information from MS about how an Domain to AD transition is really supposed to work. They probably don't know themselves. Furthermore, they've magnified the problem by unifying the Exchange and NOS directories, which makes the prominence of fucking up an order of magnitude greater. Maybe I'm missing something, but I also don't see a way to run Win2000 server in 'Domain-emulation' mode.)
Smaller shops (which by-in-large are running NT with loosely pieced together WINS systems and broadcasts) don't want or need Active Directory, et al, and will have considerable fear and uncertainty over an upgrade. Everything is kinda-sorta working -- why break it.
All of this adds up to a lot of fear and confusion for NT shops. Add in an economic downturn, and IT budget cuts will probably stagante any new project or make cheaper alternatives (ahem) look more appealing.
So, NT5/Win2000 has a big chance at being the "NetWare 4" of the early 00s LAN -- A good portion of the installed base might just skip the upgrade or switch to a less complex and cheaper alternative.
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Business. Numbers. Money. People. Computer World.
Actually, Windows 95 (which was delayed over a year) was suprisingly non-buggy, considering it was built on top of the horrific Windows 3.1. It was no NT/OS2/Unix, but it wasn't intended to be either.
Of course, 4 years of accumulated crap has pretty much got Windows 9x back to the stability level of Win3.1. Time to start over again!
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Business. Numbers. Money. People. Computer World.
But by 2001 a good chunk of the market will be Win2K with everybody else making plans.
by 2001 i expect that koffice, gnumeric, abiword
etc.. are mature enought that most companys will seriously consider to switch typical desktops.. with the knowledge that the switch might be a little bit painful first but afterwards they will never have to pay the m$ tax again..
when planed right, the transition on the desktop could be rather smooth.. those people who still need legacy m$ apps would run X on windoze (e.g. exceed) slowly more and more dektops will be pure linux..
greetings from vienna, austria
mond.
Did you use gimp scripts for the title images?
What if we (consumers) say "Shove it!", will they?
When, oh when will they? That day will not come soon enough....
Insert mind here.
... as soon as they release it, even MORE people will turn to linux.
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I wonder if it will be debugged by 1901.
Your contact (or maybe just you) is full of sh*t. I've been running RC1 for about 1 month now. RC2 is due any day now. Given past shipping schedules RC3 would show up 6 to 8 weeks later.
Wishful thinking i know, but that should give _ a small head start.
LINUX stands for: Linux Inux Nux Ux X
FRA: STFU GTFO
It _was_ (and still is, actually) known as Microsoft Windows 4.0. However, the marketroids at MS wanted to try and get away from their terrible product, Windows 3.1, and gave it a misleading name to fool people. And it has worked, wonderfully...nobody realizes that their beloved Win95 is actually Windows 3.1 with a different look. (Try pulling up a DOS box, and typing VER) Win98 is MS-Windows 4.1.
I'm curently working on a kernel patch that saves your company if your building burns down. It swiches the entire buisness process over to sofware to keep it from halting while the bosses an sales people burn.
About the net card: When a net card dies you plug the cable in the other one(you have a backup pluged in right?) and run ifconfig and stuff(no reboot!). Replace the broken card @ your next sceduled kernel upgrade.
LINUX stands for: Linux Inux Nux Ux X
FRA: STFU GTFO
I make a living working on Linux (and other UNIX's) and Windows. Typically I work on integration issues.
What I have seen from Windows 2000 is quite incredible. Stability is very high. I can hiberate my notebook for weeks. The server never needs to be rebooted, etc. I can mess up the Active Directory and mess up applications and the damm thing keeps on chugging. It is quite incredible.
So why am I saying this? Simple, Folks we have our work cut out for us. Instead of mocking Microsoft look at Windows 2000 and see how Linux can be influenced (or not) by it.
On a sidenote, I hope everyone around the world, especially Linux users, support a FREE and DEMOCRATIC Taiwan.
Red China is planning an attack on Taiwan. If this occurs, the motherboard industry will be severely affected. Please, write to your politicians and tell them to support Taiwan and to fight the Communists Chinese agressors who are planning the destruction of this country.
Any sampling method which allows the population to select itself is utter bullshit anyway. No such thing as a valid result from one of these.
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In a shocking article, Njus.kom claims that bad coffee is indirectly helping spread of good coffee.
"It is really strange.." a spokesperson for Good Coffee Inc. said. ".. but because Bad Coffee Inc. is so bad, people buy our coffee instead. We are unable to understand why, but we have our top market analysts working on it as we speak."
A spokesperson for Bad Coffee Inc. said "Yes, we are experiencing some difficulties with our coffee, but they should be fixed by the end of next year, when we relase a new version of our coffee, Bad Coffee 2000[TM] (the Bad Coffee[TM] and the [TM][TM] is a trademark of Bad Coffee Inc.) the bugs will have been taken out, and our coffee wil be the best."
But that too is a good way for losing part of your installed base. If you force people to do an upgrade/immigration, they will look for their options too.
--Flam
Computers are useless. They can only give you answers - Pablo Picasso
W2K, what ever end with 2K is played out. 2k everywhere, I don't know what MS Marketing dept thinking.
Alas, I can't truthfully answer "Never - Microsof will explode on 1/1/00 or sooner" as much as I'd like to see that happen.
I have yet to have good experiences with their software; I'm sorry, after the www.windows2000test.com ordeal, I see nothing that says this release will be any better than anything they've released before.
I have donned my asbestos suit. Flame on.
"I'll bet my right foot that they area still introducing new "features" into the latest beta..er uh..I mean RC. There is no way that's gonna be bug free." Since I've run B1, B2, B3, and RC1 extensivly, I feel I can call in your bet and would like to clain your right foot as payment. How do you want to ship? btw, first year CS reminder. There is no such thing as 100% bug free software.
You wrote:
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"If our customers say, 'ship it,' then this is the one," he said. "But if we still have work to do,
we'll work on the product until we get it right."
-Craig Beilinson, Microsoft's lead product manager for Windows 2000
Does this sound like quality control?
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That's called User Acceptance testing, it's one of the final stages of Quality Assurance.
Of course you wouldn't know that as a Linux(i.e. QC what's that?) user.
... errr.... Netware 5 ? :)
.. once service packs for 4.0 stop appearing - for every new security hole MS will have one answer - "Upgrade to 2000"... Same goes for a lot of popular applications - that were forced into 2000 compliance..
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I think Micorsoft has obfuscated (or obfucsated) what's going on by having beta versions installed on shipping machines and using the term "release candidate" where other people would say "beta release".
So sure, on the magic day they'll say the "real thang" is shipping, whatever that turns out to be, just for PR purposes. It will hardly be the first time Micorsoft has practiced doublespeak.
But if it still acts like a beta they won't be doing themselves a favor -- bad news travels fast, and they may end up instilling legitimate fear, uncertainty, and doubt in their own customer base.
Which is, I suppose, what IDG was referring to in the first place.
Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
I use and enjoy Linux every day, but I don't care what IDC says, they are still full of crap.
So you don't care what they say but they're full of crap? No matter what they say they are wrong? Nice logic.
It's funny because the MS employee meant to say that they will ship no product until it is good enough for the customers, but the quote could be read as, "Hey, we'll ship any piece of crap if the customers ask for it, but if the market isn't ready, we'll work to improve the product."
It's like a recommendation letter which reads "You'll be lucky to get John Smith to work for you." If you're expecting a positive statement, then you want to hire this guy, but if you read it the other way, then you'll be lucky if you can get this guy to do any work.
Go to http://wonko.com and vote! There's a poll! Vote for Linux!
* 3rd Half 2000
I can't comment on the keyboard thingie but How can you not get a Hauppauge tv card working. I've gotten several different models working all with different chipsets. Admittedly it took a little effort but then again effort is too much to ask some people.
"Fighting the underpants gnomes since 1998!" "Bruce Schneier knows the state of schroedinger's cat"
I run both libc5 and libc6. What's your point? It's a major turning point. The stable stuff runs libc5 and the new stuff runs libc6. When libc6 is as tested as libc5 I will probably get rid of it.
At least I can query programs relatively easily to ask what libs they use and come up with a list which haven't been accessed in a while and get rid of 'em without worrying about it killing me in the future.
And the registry... what idiot came up with THAT idea? IF it was enforced, IF it was used properly, IF, IF IF... THEN it might have been useful. But it's not. It's just a place to get corrupted and incorrect data.
... and don't jump to over-optimistic conclusions.
1) There was a companion article in which IDC stated that corporate W2K rollouts will probably be delayed 6 - 18 months due to customers' wariness about MS' "bad record with the stability of initial releases" (paraphrased).
- This is not a pro-Linux statement, it's just a realistic statement about MS' track record. Good, people are starting to see.
2) Linux has gained a visible installed base. This means people are using it where it's useful. It may (or may not) have anything to do about W2K. It's far more likely that Unix literate IS staff and other techies have managed to use Linux is areas where "big Unix" is overkill and MS is acknowledged crap.
- This is not anti-MS. It's just a statement that people are using Linux and, by extension, OSS. This is a good thing.
3) Even if W2K wary and NT4 weary sites move to Linux as the only viable alternative, the larger process of migration away from MS server platforms, let alone desktops, will take some time. It took years for Unix to muscle upwards from 70's & 80's geek OS into its current midrange stronghold. It will take time for its 90's offspring to push downward into PC land.
This may not be a victory. It's just a confirmation that things are moving the way many of us suspect it is (and want it to).
We can see "open" win. We just have to be patient. Let's also not overly gloat when we do make headway.
-M
Whenever ther is a posting containing the word "win", the following happens:
L: uptime!
W: hype!
L: registry!
W: glibc!
L: dll!
W: SP5!
L: what are you on?
You all make slashdot an uninteresting place.
Did you try killing top via ssh? I believe something may have been wrong with your keyboard. I do the same as you (top) and never have had that trouble on any of my systems.
:-)
Hauppage WinTV cards (BT878) work great. I use mine every day to watch Simpsons when I'm working at home and record 5 minutes of a radio station twice a day.
Crystal sound cards I had thought worked, but I could be mistaken. I want my PCI Maestro chip to work on my laptop.
What kind of unfounded, uneducated, narrow-minded comment is that?
Hey, what are you smoking? I want some.
This thing is going to be the biggest disaster in the history of software. They ought to put a sign in each box that says, "Kick Me Hard".
Who ever decides to roll this product out into their organization is putting their career in jeopardy.
I take classes at a ``Vocational Technical Center" in high school currently, and all the courses are pretty much WIN95/Mac-centric, so you're (undoubtedly) right. It beats traditional school, though -- and hey, they taught me Windows 95 no longer depends on DOS! (Hmm.)
RC1 is out. It's been gathering dust on my shelf for almost 2 weeks. One of the many benefits of being a (*cough*) MCSE. Of course, it hasn't seen the inside of my CD-ROM drive yet, that will have to wait for a new hard drive. No way I'd take a chance on hosing my Linux install.
Steve Sheldon wrote: /*"Microsoft realized that the released of Windows 95 and NT 4 were premature, and thus see the need to improved quality control. This is the reason for the delays of Windows 2000. Linux users are scared shitness that Microsoft is maturing as an industry leader." */ I hope that this is MS's attitude. If it's not I think that they are in more trouble than people realize. There has been a pronounced shift in the way that they are being perceived. I think that if they fail badly on W2K then they are itching to be done in. If it's not solid it will be replaced and it doesn't have to be by Linux. I've seen the cost of good HPPA boxes dropping below 10K... If it's a resource hog it's going to run many many boxes out of the office. Which is unneccesary - I shouldn't need a PII450 to run a word processor (our office staff was recently upgraded to 450's since a reasonable amount of security was required (NT)). Finally what is the business plan on the low end? I wonder how these $300 boxes run on the cheap machines. I would wager that ease of use is still an issue with many users even on 98 (maybe this is were wince fits in??) Looks like trouble to me. I'm not sure that Linux is the answer but I think that if W2K doesn't deliver businesses will be more willing than ever to look at alternative solutions (more so than in recent years).
Think again....
Any certified developer who has submitted a bug for beta 3...
So, MS really is opening up their code base now. Beta testers can submit bugs of their choice... they aren't limited to the bugs provided by MS alone.
(Yes, I know AC meant "bug REPORTS", but it was *SO* much fun to take the statement literally.)
For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong. -- H L Mencken
Now companies are getting more and more dependent on computers. Any downtime is not tolerated and is in fact reason for sensational press reporting(e.g., eBay). The tolerance level for any type of computer failure has shrunk. For instance, I remember a time when the central mainframe computer would fry it's core memory (literally). No computer, no problem. We would do other things.
Now? Failure is not an option. CIO's know this. CIO's who make big bucks and cannot screw up know this. The "old" way of instantly upgrading then fighting the bugs is becoming ancient history. Upper management who decide upgrading decisions are very cognizant of when one of their bretheren gets burned by an unproven upgrade. Before, the mode of operation was keeping up with the Jones. Perhaps, now the stakes are much higher; this leads to more caution.
It is important for linux to maintains "stable" kernel version. Relatively incremental improvements in an OS usually leads to stability.
I dont trust there pradictions...They are going where the money is. If the money was with DOS they would probably say in 1999 the percent of DOS's markey is 0% but in 2099 its 50%!!!!! Whooo look at are crazy numbers! Do these guys ever prove were they get these......
I am taking an operating systems course. For the first 3/4 of the book they talk about theory behind OS's and different techniques. The last 1/4 of the class is spent studying specific OSs and how they implement the theory. We look at UNIX, Linux and NT. The first paragraph pretty much sums it up in the NT section, they say something to the extent of -NT moved some critical portions of the OS into the kernel, while the lead to enormous speed increases over NT3.1, it caused for a serious lack of stability issues in NT4. (end semi quote)
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I wish I had that verbatum, if I find it I will post it later on (always cite your sources boys and girls).
Anyways, as I was saying, you wil find that when you get to college you will play with Linux more. Not because it is better and blah blah blah, but because it is open source. You wouldn't become a doctor by looking at screen shots of the inside of a human body would you? I certainly hope not. Personally I think that it is better and more educational to have an open source OS, so that we can dabble on the inside of the OS and learn from the mistakes of our predecessors (yes even Linux is not perfect....it is close though)
I am getting off topic now, but....
If itterrations of M$ OSs are getting faster, but less reliable, then how does M$ expect to move up in the server market? Win2k demonstrated that it is not the answer. Linux definately has a place, and it is getting a lot more press lately than in past months (it is OK to give Red Hat some credit on this one - they made the first big step towards funding their ad campaign). It is only a matter of time before the mindshare changes, and with win2k faltering and (dare I say it) on the ropes, it is time for someone to step up and give the knockout blow.
sometimes I sound a little too much like Katz...weird.
Eric
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Please give your mod points to others, Im at the cap. They will appreciate it more
I can attest to this. Sometimes where Solaris would prevail, Linux and FreeBSD sneak in the back door via recycling of servers and other noble subterfuge. No askee manager, no spendee money. Server workee, happee happee.
Especially where web applications and tools are involved. Why beg to get another NT license and loads of M$ software when you can get it done, "no questions asked."? Ya know?
sorry for the coolee talk. sometimes an idiotic attitude helps you avoid negative attention from your superiors ;-)
Expanding a vast wasteland since 1996.
Wrong spelling
I wont
>Of course you wouldn't know that as a Linux(i.e. QC what's that?) user.
(Normally I don't bother with ACs because they're exactly that, but...)
Um, except that I'm NOT a Linux user. Ooops!
I AM a programmer and a part time developer and M$s claims sound an awful lot like, "We think it's good enough... If people don't complain we'll ship it."
Call me cynical but almost having to make Access work once leads me to believe that M$ WILL ship a product that out and out sucks. I find that statement much more likely to mean, "Eh, it seems good enough." rather than "It's passed rigorous Quality testing and we're confident it will stand up to everyone's scrutiny."
And to state the obvious - QC? How long does it take M$ to offer a patch to an obvious system wide flaw (like the Ping of Death) vs Linux. Linux was 2 ro 3 days as I remember.
People (other than me) CHOOSE to play with alpha/beta builds between announced kernels - because they actually exist rather than being stuck with beta (Win95) software for 3 years between updates.
=tkk
Bill Gates - Creationist?!?
Here's a hilarious quote from a related article on C|NET:
"If our customers say, 'ship it,' then this is the one. But if we still have work to do, we'll work on the product until we get it right."
That was said by Craig Beilinson, Microsoft's lead product manager for Windows 2000.
~ Give me 101 plastic soldiers, and I will conquer the world.
"Past issues with first-release operating systems from Microsoft have caused organizations to rein in their Windows 2000 deployment plans," said William Peterson, research manager for IDC's Client Infrastructure Software programs. "This is not to say Windows 2000 will not be a success...IDC believes Windows 2000 will succeed--over time."
TRANSLATION: "The releases of Windows 95 and 98 were late and extremely buggy. Companies are scared to deploy Win2000 immediately, because Micrsoft will surely rush it out the door with serious flaws, just to compete with Linux. However, Windows 2000 will win in the end because of Microsoft's monopolistic power."
Invidia fortunum ovit.
Move them to Linux and we're home free.
I mean what's the point of disproving the Microsoft theorem when kids continue to be taught
Microsoft?
The ship sank. Get over it. (This sig was cut out from another's shirt and painstakingly hand-posted)
Was just told today the ship date has been fixed for Oct 7th, and the media machines are to be unleashed immediately.
:-)
Any certified developer who has submitted a bug for beta 3 will be allowed to order a CD with beta 4, which is the final candidate. Beta 4 is timebombed, and won't be DLable from micr~1.com.
This was from a M$ drone, so I'll believe it on Oct 7th, not a day before
the AC
Hemos is like...sci-fi fans;he thinks technology is cool, but he hasn't bothered to understand the science it's based on
mmmm, coffee. I think I'll go get some right now.
(bad coffee unfortunately, I'm at work)
Limux an OS that hasn't changed in the last 5 months?!?
:-)
So much has happened in the last 5 months I can't damn well keep track of it all, so what are you on?
Then you claim that it's YOUR fault the NT registry implamentation is so bad you have to reinstall every two months?
Well I have news for you...
When I want to uninstall something, I just delete the directory also, (or if I want to be extra sure, I type "make uninstall" first); and it's never caused me any problems!
Why not check Linux out anyway, you never know, you might even like it
--p.s. I am having a great day, ta very much
opps: oops pradictions: predictions there: their (in an ownership context) :)
The only thing that burned me about using linux is the idea that I could have installed it sooner!
First of all this is the opinion of a 14 year old whose been around computers all his short life and who is a proud dual booter. So take it how you want it.
I seriously don't think linux is going to flourish soon in the desktop market of home users. Because if you think about it most people who use computers at home are kids that is if tthe parents aren't technology specialists and the thing is lots of kids I know want to try linux but their parents think it's a dead end.So they do they're best to discourage them not to try it.
If you want to get more people running linux try getting schools (high schools etc) to run linux boxes. Convince the system administrator that you can do as much on a well configure Linux box then on a Win95 box for a lower price. Seriously at school the #1 thing we do is text editing and webbrowsing and this can all be done on linux machines while still supporting Office formats.
Get the Admins to believe in linux to get the kids to learn to show them theres something different then Microsoft windows.
I know this might sound as a marketing technique but it's the best we can do.
Educate kids today and they'll grow up not following microsoft but tryng different things.
Kids aren't stupid you know if they are showed something and given the opertunity most of them will try it. If they can play games they'll be happy.
So my point is don't only cater to big companies cater to teens showed them theres an allternative and in the future you never know.
Please send all mail inculding flame to this address
_Air98_@yahoo.com
The only thing that will help Linux more than the delay of Windows 2000 will be the release of Windows 2000.
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Wonko the Sane
a friend of mine tried out linux last spring. before that he used nothing but windows. although he spent a week trying to get X working, he was pleased with his results. and then he said something worth of a fortune file (i was amazed that something like that could come out of someone who has only run linux for a day).
"Before I tried linux I thought that the registry was a good idea... BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I crack myself up sometimes."
in short, you reinstall because you can't really modify your registry as easily as linux users can modify their config files (once you know how). and then your machine gets uglier and uglier. for example i can change routers gateways without rebooting, become a router without rebooting (provided i already have the second ethernet card inserted), unload a module, update the driver, and load it again without rebooting, etc, etc, etc.
p.s. i reinstall linux whenever a new version of debian comes out because i don't really care for the upgrade scripts much. plus it gives me the chance of reviewing the selected packages and figuring out what i need and what i am not likely to use anymore. i also love the smell of hard drives formating in the morning. the one bad thing about linux is that i don't get high it much. 8)
I was thinking of how to intentionally fail my drug test... It would make a good memoir story someday.
I agree. Sam PS: Im glad im not the only one that used IBM PC-DOS.
just like the double digit year was an oversight. 8) it truly is amazing though that someone actually got that error. what happened? did an error message pop up saying "Your machine has been running for too long?" that'd be hillarious.
what exactly qualifies a bug? or an oversight?
haha... oversight... 8) AC posts leave me laughing for hours sometimes.
I was thinking of how to intentionally fail my drug test... It would make a good memoir story someday.
The reason why you do so much deinstalling is because you notice that most of the stuff you are installing must be pure garbage. The other half of the software you have must be 30 day crippleware. You must belong to the group of people who believe that linux has little or no software, but i'm sorry but if your that ignorant I cannot help you.
I'm not trying to start a flame debate, but I want to point out some problems.
One major problem with Windows is that most of the DLLs are stuffed in a centralized directory while the program is installing. When you are uninistalling the program deletes all of data except for many of the DLLs in fear that other programs may need that DLL. This makes your DLL directory larger and larger degrading performance. The godforsaking registry does not help anything either. Many programs leave information in the registry when deinstalled so if reinstalled it convieniently remembers your data. This inflates your registry to epic proportions. That must be the true reason why you must reinstall windows every couple of months. If you are going to critisize linux with baseless claims don't stab yourself in the ass in the process.
at work i use NT4 on a p133 doorstop with 32 MB of memory (tell my boss to get decent hardware) which was installed by people who do this round the clock (and the box is SP4). i don't even have administrator priviliges on my desktop. anyways, the novell client crashes, yes. but what i've experienced much more frequently is that outlook cannot stay open for more than 2-3 hours. the machine gets progressively slow, and closing outlook doesn't really help. same goes for navigator 4.6 but that has bearable uptimes. I only have to close it when i leave.
i do not know what goes on in the kernel, but i do know that simply killing the application to rid of the memory leak does not help. my machine must be rebooted. not to mention the blue screens i get once a week when i call javac. but that is one is fishy, not quite reproducible on other machines.
I was thinking of how to intentionally fail my drug test... It would make a good memoir story someday.
But it's taken my mother about 6 years to be able to use AOL (with AiM) and Corel WordPerfect (I wouldn't let her buy Word:) So, tonight I get a call. Something screwy with WP. Basically, I think part of it got hosed when she had to use the three finger salute to restart the box.
I spent an hour (fruitlessly) on the phone trying to get things working for her again. She's probably po'ed now because I didn't call her to finish things up:) I was thinking how I wished she would just get RH6.0, put up Gnome and E (or KDE. I just switched from KDE myself). It's not like she plays any games.
Anyway, the funny question she asked: "what the hell do normal people do who don't have a son to call to bail them out?"
So, I'm thinking to myself: she can get WP for free. Somewhere, there's a copy of Gaim or TiK or something. What's left? That's right. AOL. No matter how I try, I can't get her to switch. Sooo... How does AOL 4.0 work with WINE? Guess it's time to find out. I'd like to be able to just dial in and fix her 'puter when it barfs (Oh, wait. Linux. Shouldn't be a problem...)
-George
Jesus was all right but his disciples were thick and ordinary. -John Lennon
That was bumb now that thing is wayyyy over hyped....
Are you crazy?
Let our children use Micros~1. Then when we tell them it sucks, they will know what we're talking about.
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"I already have all the latest software."
Linux is hot in the press right now so periodic reports on Linux will bag IDC a lot of sales of their $7000+ per copy "newsletters" which magazines and self-styled "IT experts" at big corp's buy.
Keep in mind that these are the same people predicting 4 years ago that Windows NT would decimate Unix and Novell Netware. Before that, it was "client server uber alles" and the "death of the mainframe". Once reality sets in, their forcasts are a hell of a lot less ecstatic. Look for the same thing when the Linux hype fizzles out in the press.