You would have to be gratefull that he is on our side. He clearly has a great track record and the ability to get the focus on the issues that are important. All in all, _yeah_!
First of all, I am a great believer in piracy as promotion. Freshmeat had an editorial about it recently. It goes like this, the more anti piracy "features" you build into the product, the fewer people try your product, the less of your product you sell.
Secondly, I don't beleive in piracy. I beleive it is a term that big software companies have dreamed up to corrupt the term "Fair Use"
So, I recently evaluated SCO unix and I just _couldn't_ get past their copy protection. I just _choked_ on their install.
After installing RedHat, Caldera, Mandrake et al I just couldn't deal with the restrictions they put on there install screens. Not even Microsoft was this bad (piracy as promotion, right).
Well its their choice, if they want to go the way of Lotus 123.... Anyone with a clue can reasonably forsee the consequenses of having excessivly difficult installs.
In a not entirely fair jab at SCO, I have rung up support people (not SCO) three (3) times to get a SCO boxes default gateway set on their machine. Every time it reboots, they lose their gateway. What is so hard about setting a default gateway in SCO land????
I have often wondered why people who buy a lot of computers, eg universities, GMH, banks etc, don't buy a rolling cluster.
That is all new pcs spend the first three months of their lives as a cluster member. After the three month period the go to their rightfull owner for normal use. I have set up a ltsp X windows terminals useing pcs at work, and getting machines to boot linux without installing linux is trivial. You just put a kernel image on floppy, they boot up, mount the root filesystem via nfs and off they go.
In my opinion all pcs shipped today are way too fast for general business use. Certainly current pcs are much faster than is needed to run office applications and a browser. So in other words the user would not be severly inconvenienced, the entity would always have a kick-arse cluster for only the cost of delaying all new pcs installs for users by 3 months!
So my question is "Have you considered a continuous rolling upgrade of your cluster and if not why?"
>It does strange things, things that never happen on intel
Wont ping properly doesn't seem to route just like intel won't shut down(may be non-supported) strange, strange smp errors (unknown hz value 2048) wouldnt compile recent versions of squid
BTW I am a _average_ bloke, I make no claims to being a god! I have receive very helpfull and detailed help with the alpha. Look I had a surplus alpha (unsupported), I installed linux on it, it worked, I am not complaining. I just don't recommend it, or any alternative architecture, for everyone.
Look your are going to cane me for this, but I did the install on an unsupported alpha. It works, and has worked for the past year and is working right now, providing me with squid proxy and ip masquarading but...
It does strange things, things that never happen on intel, it doesn't have the support infrastructure of intel. When you have a problem on a X86 machine you get onto deja.com and you find the answer, alphas are much more rare and it just takes longer to get answers - particularly as I live in Australia and most of the world is asleep when I am trying to do stuff (especially on unsupported variants).
Please understand that this is one of several alphas that we own, we run VMS and TruUnix and the alphas are _outstanding_ pieces of equipment. It is just more difficult to do linux on alpha than it is to on x86
My point (if I had one) was that ia64 is not for a casual user. There are significant differences and difficulties once you step outside of the most commonly installed base of equipment. If you install linux on a ia64, you will have a greater degree of difficulty compared to a ia32.
I _love_ linux cross platform capabilities, I use that ability, now if only all apps were cross-platform as well!
It amuses me when I write ia32. This name implicitly assumes there was a architectural basis for its design. This is of course entirely false.
I tried linux on a Digital Alpha and this _cured_ me of most of my desire to try alternative platforms. The trouble is that a whole lot of things just dont work on other than the X86 platform. Unless you can get a particular benefit from the chipset, for example the alphas fpu, I would suggest you stick with ia32.
Don't get me wrong, I like the multi-platform ability of linux and I think that the S390 and StrongARM ports are especially cool, I just wonder how sucessfull ia64 is going to be. Particularly against established platforms such as alpha and sparc
It will proberbly be huge, just to spite me, but let me just say that I wont be a early adopter!!
However, if you were on a properly run NT workstation (with NTFS permissions set, etc) with the files stored on an NT server with proper permissions
NOT TRUE: We tried this when testing out NT Workstation, setting decent permissions broke just about every application we tried. While notionally this _should_ work, many windows programs are so used to having no security they demand that there be no security or they just refuse to work.
Now had Microsoft put decent permissions on workstation to start with, then it would have forced third parties to deal with it.
But when has MS _ever_ chosen security over ease of use? This is a case of the lowest common demonator. You are forced through MS laxity to be insecure - if you choose windows!
Seriously, its not cross platform by default, doesn't run on vms, doesn't run on s390 doesnt run on etc etc etc.
Just because you use NT today doesn't mean that you will be running it in two years time. You have to think ahead and limiting yourself to one platform and one processor architecture is just plain dumb.
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You would have to be gratefull that he is on our side. He clearly has a great track record and the ability to get the focus on the issues that are important. All in all, _yeah_!
First of all, I am a great believer in piracy as promotion. Freshmeat had an editorial about it recently. It goes like this, the more anti piracy "features" you build into the product, the fewer people try your product, the less of your product you sell.
Secondly, I don't beleive in piracy. I beleive it is a term that big software companies have dreamed up to corrupt the term "Fair Use"
So, I recently evaluated SCO unix and I just _couldn't_ get past their copy protection. I just _choked_ on their install.
After installing RedHat, Caldera, Mandrake et al I just couldn't deal with the restrictions they put on there install screens. Not even Microsoft was this bad (piracy as promotion, right).
Well its their choice, if they want to go the way of Lotus 123.... Anyone with a clue can reasonably forsee the consequenses of having excessivly difficult installs.
In a not entirely fair jab at SCO, I have rung up support people (not SCO) three (3) times to get a SCO boxes default gateway set on their machine. Every time it reboots, they lose their gateway. What is so hard about setting a default gateway in SCO land????
I have often wondered why people who buy a lot of computers, eg universities, GMH, banks etc, don't buy a rolling cluster.
That is all new pcs spend the first three months of their lives as a cluster member. After the three month period the go to their rightfull owner for normal use. I have set up a ltsp X windows terminals useing pcs at work, and getting machines to boot linux without installing linux is trivial. You just put a kernel image on floppy, they boot up, mount the root filesystem via nfs and off they go.
In my opinion all pcs shipped today are way too fast for general business use. Certainly current pcs are much faster than is needed to run office applications and a browser. So in other words the user would not be severly inconvenienced, the entity would always have a kick-arse cluster for only the cost of delaying all new pcs installs for users by 3 months!
So my question is "Have you considered a continuous rolling upgrade of your cluster and if not why?"
>It does strange things, things that never happen on intel
Wont ping properly
doesn't seem to route just like intel
won't shut down(may be non-supported)
strange, strange smp errors (unknown hz value 2048)
wouldnt compile recent versions of squid
BTW I am a _average_ bloke, I make no claims to being a god! I have receive very helpfull and detailed help with the alpha. Look I had a surplus alpha (unsupported), I installed linux on it, it worked, I am not complaining. I just don't recommend it, or any alternative architecture, for everyone.
Look your are going to cane me for this, but I did the install on an unsupported alpha. It works, and has worked for the past year and is working right now, providing me with squid proxy and ip masquarading but...
It does strange things, things that never happen on intel, it doesn't have the support infrastructure of intel. When you have a problem on a X86 machine you get onto deja.com and you find the answer, alphas are much more rare and it just takes longer to get answers - particularly as I live in Australia and most of the world is asleep when I am trying to do stuff (especially on unsupported variants).
Please understand that this is one of several alphas that we own, we run VMS and TruUnix and the alphas are _outstanding_ pieces of equipment. It is just more difficult to do linux on alpha than it is to on x86
My point (if I had one) was that ia64 is not for a casual user. There are significant differences and difficulties once you step outside of the most commonly installed base of equipment. If you install linux on a ia64, you will have a greater degree of difficulty compared to a ia32.
I _love_ linux cross platform capabilities, I use that ability, now if only all apps were cross-platform as well!
It amuses me when I write ia32. This name implicitly assumes there was a architectural basis for its design. This is of course entirely false.
I tried linux on a Digital Alpha and this _cured_ me of most of my desire to try alternative platforms. The trouble is that a whole lot of things just dont work on other than the X86 platform. Unless you can get a particular benefit from the chipset, for example the alphas fpu, I would suggest you stick with ia32.
Don't get me wrong, I like the multi-platform ability of linux and I think that the S390 and StrongARM ports are especially cool, I just wonder how sucessfull ia64 is going to be. Particularly against established platforms such as alpha and sparc
It will proberbly be huge, just to spite me, but let me just say that I wont be a early adopter!!
However, if you were on a properly run NT workstation (with NTFS permissions set, etc) with the files stored on an NT server with proper permissions
NOT TRUE:
We tried this when testing out NT Workstation, setting decent permissions broke just about every application we tried. While notionally this _should_ work, many windows programs are so used to having no security they demand that there be no security or they just refuse to work.
Now had Microsoft put decent permissions on workstation to start with, then it would have forced third parties to deal with it.
But when has MS _ever_ chosen security over ease of use? This is a case of the lowest common demonator. You are forced through MS laxity to be insecure - if you choose windows!
Prime problem - doesn't run on unix.
Seriously, its not cross platform by default, doesn't run on vms, doesn't run on s390 doesnt run on etc etc etc.
Just because you use NT today doesn't mean that you will be running it in two years time. You have to think ahead and limiting yourself to one platform and one processor architecture is just plain dumb.
Yeah, icewm is my favourite WM. Have a look at sourceforge and see which WM has the most downloads. Lets get it in for 7