Nope, you can't share filters because chances are that your mom and my mom use vastly different vocabularies.
The fact that they have different names and email addresses probably has some relevance as well.
The only reason spam-filter sharing works is that spam tends to:
1. Be in english (or engrish at least)
You get different spam than I do.
But doing initial setup and categorizing a few documents is hardly an insurmountable task.
Particularly as you can do it better for your needs than any automated system is ever going to, because you reason abstractly. Or, at least, I think you do.
Your voice is another piss in the wind. Opinions are a lot like assholes, like that.
And this why so many people think so many Open Source projects have really shitty interfaces, because their developers think that being able to code makes them interface experts, and that if you can't code you can't be an interface expert.
You don't have to be an upholsterer to know that the spring sticking up out of the chair hurts your ass.
Do you not have to make the initial decision on how mail should be catagorized, i.e., create the heirarchy, before you can train the filter to it?
Mail is also fairly easy. First off, you know it's mail. You don't even have to train the filter to it. Secondly, we're dealing with a very limited range of possibilities really. Stuff from mom. Ok, that goes right to dev/null. "HOT TEENAGED SLUTS!!!!". Ok, that goes right to the important-respond right away folder. And we can all easily agree on those catagorizations too so we can share filters.
Mail also comes in huge batches which is really the only reason you need a filter to handle it for you anyway, because of the sheer labor involved.
Three different text files named "Little_Fugue_in_G" containing all the same keywords/phrases is a bit stickier. Your human mind can instantly differentiate each one and decide where it belongs. Your filter is going to barf and never have another shot it for training purposes. Outside of mail the variety of files is nearly infinate with few clues as to where you might want it to go.
You're also going to need to run your filter in reverse to retrieve files, querying it for everything. Or you could just click on "Lyrics" then "STYX" then "Little_Fugue_in_G".
You organize it based on its contents such that the number of choices required to find the data is minimal and optimal.
This would be on my desktop accessable in a single click.
by finding the words best suited to sub-divide the given files. . ./i>
And how does one do this?
KFG
Re:After all this time, it's only 24 hours away...
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A real quick and dirty gives me about 12,000 miles/second. A pretty good clip, but not yet really boogying. Give it another five years before you have to worry about the intergalactic traffic cops handing out a ticket.
Are they not, in the article in question, telling you how to do your job?
Writing Gnome may be their job, and none of your business. If you don't like it you can go elsewhere.
But telling you how to keep your files and what interface you should use is not their job.
We're not discussing coding issues here. We're discussing whether their interface sucks or not, and you are the only acceptable expert on that issue when it comes to using your computer, because that is your job, not theirs.
I'm going to try to go easy on the GNOME developers here for the simple fact that I can't do a better job, largely because I don't code.
You'll have to provide me with an argument as to why coding ablility might qualify or disqualify one's opinion as to how your files should be organized if you want me to understand this point of view.
Perhaps when we get some really smart database file systems there will be some automation. ..
Someone still has to inform the database just what is considered "smart" behavior.
This "smart" behavior may well end up being pretty stupid behavior for any particular user. The construction of business rules cannot be fully automated, as they are abstract constructions from particular real world situations.
You have to decide for yourself which drawer is appropriate to store your socks in, or even whether storing them in a drawer is appropriate at all.
"Don't worry if you don't know what to do with your life. The most interesting people I know didn't know at 20 what they wanted to do with their lives either. Some of them most interesting 40 year olds still don't." -- Utah Phillips
"Make sure your heroes are dead, that way they can't fuck it up."
I miss Bruce. They don't let him out of Nevada City much anymore and I'm on the other coast, part of the old Caffe Lena crowd. I'm going to have to try to make a pilgramage before he kicks off to give him one last chance to fuck it up.
He walked me across a folkie "scab line" once. Weird situation a scab line comprised of old time reds and union people. Didn't faze him a bit, he just threw his arm around me and said, "Come with me, you belong here," and waltzed me in. No one dared say anything about it to him.
I keep a quarter I "won" from him in a bet. I was pretty insistent that I was right and he said, "Oh, yep, you're right, here ya go" and gave me the quarter. Later research informed me that I had been dead wrong. He's that sort of guy.
I'll definately have to get out to California if he can't make it to the east again. I owe him a quarter.
Yeah, I think that pretty much sums up this bit of research. As Vonnegut put it, "The trouble with really stupid people is that they're too stupid to realize there's such a thing as smart."
The key, as mentioned in the quote, is metacognition. Smart people think about thinking.
My first bit of advice is to ignore nearly every response to your question, particularly the ones that contain the words "get over yourself." People here aren't necessarily very bright, but are often a bit full of themselves themselves, as you can see by the fact that most of them don't have the cognitive ability to comprehend your concerns or questions and simply think you're "putting on airs."
However, if you are rather bright you should realize that you just asked for a book length dissertation on the subject, which is entirely unreasonable for a forum of this sort.
Find yourself a home schooling support group in your area and through them an older person who's been through it and talk to them for few hours. You need an honest to God, flesh and bone mentor. You're in the wrong place.
Took me three trys to get through it the first time. Now it's the one book I couldn't live without.
"There is a wisdom that is woe; but there is a woe that is madness. And there is a Catskill eagle in some souls that can alike dive down into the deepest gorges, and soar out of them again and become invisible in the sunny spaces. And even if he forever flies withing the gorge, that gorge is in the mountains, so that even in his lowest swoop the mountain eagle is still higher than other birds upon the plain, even though they soar."
Great stuff.
It really helps to know your Bible though. The whole book, right from the three famous opening words, is packed with Biblical allusions. "Call me Ishmael" sets up the entire tenor of the book, but only if you understand the reference.
In my case it probably doesn't hurt that I have an interest in whaling though. My mother grew up in New Bedford, I grew up with paintings of the Charles W. Morgan about the house, and one of its ship laterns is just across the room from me right now (it was partially stripped before being sent off to the Mystic Seaport and my Grandfather picked up a few bits of it).
If you don't have that interest I can see where it might drag in a few places.
And as I said, it did me three tries to get through it the first time myself, and I'm the sort that doesn't understand why most people these days have trouble reading works from the sixteen and seventeen hundreds.
Sorry, but I've never met a dog (even an extremely smart dog) that could follow instructions like a 21-month-old child.
This is true. A dog will actually follow instructions.
"Did I tell you not to do that?"
"Uh-huh."
"So why did you?
"Iiiiiii dooooon't Knoooooow."
Brain damage!
On the other hand, by the time my daughter was three, while she still wasn't much for taking instruction, she could converse, reason and had enough abstract thinking to laugh at Shel Silverstein in the right places.
This isn't to say that I don't, and haven't for a long time, considered any number of animals being capable of far more cognition than they typically get credit for, but I'm still waiting for evidence that a dog can understand a joke, although I've always suspected my cat of laughing behind my back at what she's able to get me to do at no benefit to myself whatsoever.
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I knew you'd take the bait.
If you're gonna bite (and it was a tempting little tidbit, I admit) bite the bit you agree with.
KFG
"All those who believe in telekinesis, raise my hand."
Exactly.
KFG
Nope, you can't share filters because chances are that your mom and my mom use vastly different vocabularies.
The fact that they have different names and email addresses probably has some relevance as well.
The only reason spam-filter sharing works is that spam tends to:
1. Be in english (or engrish at least)
You get different spam than I do.
But doing initial setup and categorizing a few documents is hardly an insurmountable task.
Particularly as you can do it better for your needs than any automated system is ever going to, because you reason abstractly. Or, at least, I think you do.
KFG
Your voice is another piss in the wind. Opinions are a lot like assholes, like that.
And this why so many people think so many Open Source projects have really shitty interfaces, because their developers think that being able to code makes them interface experts, and that if you can't code you can't be an interface expert.
You don't have to be an upholsterer to know that the spring sticking up out of the chair hurts your ass.
KFG
This is, of course, left as an excercise for the reader.
:)
Of course.
KFG
It isn't hard to devise a fitness function for how well a term serves to identify a given group of documents
And how is this done?
KFG
Because unless you are willing to do the work, you don't get a say.
I take it your car is black?
KFG
Do you not have to make the initial decision on how mail should be catagorized, i.e., create the heirarchy, before you can train the filter to it?
Mail is also fairly easy. First off, you know it's mail. You don't even have to train the filter to it. Secondly, we're dealing with a very limited range of possibilities really. Stuff from mom. Ok, that goes right to dev/null. "HOT TEENAGED SLUTS!!!!". Ok, that goes right to the important-respond right away folder. And we can all easily agree on those catagorizations too so we can share filters.
Mail also comes in huge batches which is really the only reason you need a filter to handle it for you anyway, because of the sheer labor involved.
Three different text files named "Little_Fugue_in_G" containing all the same keywords/phrases is a bit stickier. Your human mind can instantly differentiate each one and decide where it belongs. Your filter is going to barf and never have another shot it for training purposes. Outside of mail the variety of files is nearly infinate with few clues as to where you might want it to go.
You're also going to need to run your filter in reverse to retrieve files, querying it for everything. Or you could just click on "Lyrics" then "STYX" then "Little_Fugue_in_G".
KFG
You organize it based on its contents such that the number of choices required to find the data is minimal and optimal.
/i>
This would be on my desktop accessable in a single click.
by finding the words best suited to sub-divide the given files. . .
And how does one do this?
KFG
A real quick and dirty gives me about 12,000 miles/second. A pretty good clip, but not yet really boogying. Give it another five years before you have to worry about the intergalactic traffic cops handing out a ticket.
Assuming the dust mote doesn't get it first.
KFG
I can't ever imagine what a super-intelligent race could do with it.
I think it would make a dandy TV tray.
KFG
Are they not, in the article in question, telling you how to do your job?
Writing Gnome may be their job, and none of your business. If you don't like it you can go elsewhere.
But telling you how to keep your files and what interface you should use is not their job.
We're not discussing coding issues here. We're discussing whether their interface sucks or not, and you are the only acceptable expert on that issue when it comes to using your computer, because that is your job, not theirs.
Your voice is valid.
KFG
Because the last time we did this story it was 20 years ago today.
Happy New Pioneer 10 Year everybody. Whoooooooooo!
KFG
I'm going to try to go easy on the GNOME developers here for the simple fact that I can't do a better job, largely because I don't code.
You'll have to provide me with an argument as to why coding ablility might qualify or disqualify one's opinion as to how your files should be organized if you want me to understand this point of view.
KFG
Perhaps when we get some really smart database file systems there will be some automation. . .
Someone still has to inform the database just what is considered "smart" behavior.
This "smart" behavior may well end up being pretty stupid behavior for any particular user. The construction of business rules cannot be fully automated, as they are abstract constructions from particular real world situations.
You have to decide for yourself which drawer is appropriate to store your socks in, or even whether storing them in a drawer is appropriate at all.
KFG
You've just made a friend, my friend.
:)
Yeah, but I'm just going to post again and fuck it up.
KFG
I am sure that at 40 I will feel the same way .....
I'm sure you will. I look back at it rather fondly myself.
KFG
Scriptometer survey is practical
Well, for my money, I'm more inclined to start a flamewar over just how they go about defining "practical."
KFG
"Don't worry if you don't know what to do with your life. The most interesting people I know didn't know at 20 what they wanted to do with their lives either. Some of them most interesting 40 year olds still don't." -- Utah Phillips
"Make sure your heroes are dead, that way they can't fuck it up."
I miss Bruce. They don't let him out of Nevada City much anymore and I'm on the other coast, part of the old Caffe Lena crowd. I'm going to have to try to make a pilgramage before he kicks off to give him one last chance to fuck it up.
He walked me across a folkie "scab line" once. Weird situation a scab line comprised of old time reds and union people. Didn't faze him a bit, he just threw his arm around me and said, "Come with me, you belong here," and waltzed me in. No one dared say anything about it to him.
I keep a quarter I "won" from him in a bet. I was pretty insistent that I was right and he said, "Oh, yep, you're right, here ya go" and gave me the quarter. Later research informed me that I had been dead wrong. He's that sort of guy.
I'll definately have to get out to California if he can't make it to the east again. I owe him a quarter.
KFG
ahh...so dumb people are bad at estimating
Yeah, I think that pretty much sums up this bit of research. As Vonnegut put it, "The trouble with really stupid people is that they're too stupid to realize there's such a thing as smart."
The key, as mentioned in the quote, is metacognition. Smart people think about thinking.
Dumb people just think they're smart.
KFG
My first bit of advice is to ignore nearly every response to your question, particularly the ones that contain the words "get over yourself." People here aren't necessarily very bright, but are often a bit full of themselves themselves, as you can see by the fact that most of them don't have the cognitive ability to comprehend your concerns or questions and simply think you're "putting on airs."
However, if you are rather bright you should realize that you just asked for a book length dissertation on the subject, which is entirely unreasonable for a forum of this sort.
Find yourself a home schooling support group in your area and through them an older person who's been through it and talk to them for few hours. You need an honest to God, flesh and bone mentor. You're in the wrong place.
KFG
Took me three trys to get through it the first time. Now it's the one book I couldn't live without.
"There is a wisdom that is woe; but there is a woe that is madness. And there is a Catskill eagle in some souls that can alike dive down into the deepest gorges, and soar out of them again and become invisible in the sunny spaces. And even if he forever flies withing the gorge, that gorge is in the mountains, so that even in his lowest swoop the mountain eagle is still higher than other birds upon the plain, even though they soar."
Great stuff.
It really helps to know your Bible though. The whole book, right from the three famous opening words, is packed with Biblical allusions. "Call me Ishmael" sets up the entire tenor of the book, but only if you understand the reference.
In my case it probably doesn't hurt that I have an interest in whaling though. My mother grew up in New Bedford, I grew up with paintings of the Charles W. Morgan about the house, and one of its ship laterns is just across the room from me right now (it was partially stripped before being sent off to the Mystic Seaport and my Grandfather picked up a few bits of it).
If you don't have that interest I can see where it might drag in a few places.
And as I said, it did me three tries to get through it the first time myself, and I'm the sort that doesn't understand why most people these days have trouble reading works from the sixteen and seventeen hundreds.
KFG
I've no idea who Shel is, if it matters. . .
Yes, it matters a good deal.
Academy of American Poets bio of Shel Silverstein
NYTBR "A Light in the Attic"
You might know him best as the author of the song "A Boy Named Sue".
KFG
I'm rather fond of the chocolate cake for breakfast too, but my heart still belongs to his earlier works. I do Cosby like most geeks do Monty Python.
Tonsils, Go Carts, Chicken Heart, Playground, I used to be able to do the Wonderfulness album start to finish, so it's best not to get me going.
Riiiiiiight!
KFG
Sorry, but I've never met a dog (even an extremely smart dog) that could follow instructions like a 21-month-old child.
This is true. A dog will actually follow instructions.
"Did I tell you not to do that?"
"Uh-huh."
"So why did you?
"Iiiiiii dooooon't Knoooooow."
Brain damage!
On the other hand, by the time my daughter was three, while she still wasn't much for taking instruction, she could converse, reason and had enough abstract thinking to laugh at Shel Silverstein in the right places.
This isn't to say that I don't, and haven't for a long time, considered any number of animals being capable of far more cognition than they typically get credit for, but I'm still waiting for evidence that a dog can understand a joke, although I've always suspected my cat of laughing behind my back at what she's able to get me to do at no benefit to myself whatsoever.
KFG