I live in one. I kind of feel an obligation to stick up for them. What can I say?
They're actually good places to live if you can find a way to extract money from the city where all the people went. And you don't have all those people around to be annoying all the time.
I've had to try to explain this on any number of occassions. People take a look at Linux for one reason or another and what they see is KDE or Gnome, and believe that Linux, and perhaps, by extension Unix, is buggy and lacking fit and finish.
KDE has its legitimate place. It is overtly a generic GUI, intended to be as vaguely similar to other such interfaces as possible. When I move my mom from her Apple OS8 box to Linux KDE is what she'll get, and she'll be happy with it right off the bat. ( In fact the move is going to take place because she likes it better).
However, for those that can appreciate it, the old command line, C based, tools have been so finely polished by generations of hands running over them that they gleam in the sun.
This is not to say that the core system of Unix couldn't be improved or replaced, but it has certainly at least reached the point where the last ten percent of the job takes ninety percent of the work.
If you go back and read my post again you might be surprised to find out I agree with you entirely and that I never said that Unix was optimal ( and that I never said that a steering wheel was the optimal way to direct a car either).
In fact, you'll find I explictly stated that its very orginators had improved it (in their opinion) multiple generations of development ago and implied that Unix had only been optimized to the point where it *sufficed* for the typical user of *Unix.*
Please bear in mind that the *topic* under discussion wasn't whether Unix was optimal, clearly it is not, but whether it had *exceeded expectaions*, which it clearly has, and my argument was directed at *that* premise.
As for your last sentence one of the reasons I like and use Linux, as opposed to even some other Unix variant, is that it allows *me* to provide myself with optimizations of the system, irrespective of others opinions or investments.
While this does not drive the optimization of systems *in general* it certainly drives the optimiztion of Unix like systems.
Also, I would advise not falling into the trap of confusing the *shell* with the system. Even under propriatary Unices the shell is ridiculously easy to dick around with to one's heart's content, even for programing novices with only a copy of C for Dummies and Running (Blank) at their disposal.
If, for some reason, you prefer the syntax of DOS to Unix, Unix allows you to use the DOS syntax quite easily. "External" commands, being individual files rather than bundled up in a single metafile, are easily added or modified by the user.
This is one of the reasons for Unix exceeding expectations. It gives power to the individual user/administrator, conversely taking it away from outside vested interests. Some people like this, in fact some people like this so much that "intertia" will keep them from moving to "better" systems (Like BeOS) that remove this capability from them.
And it's the *shell* that people actually interact with, not the system.
that *with* the DMCA in place, as she is writ, the easiest way for me to play a DVD on my Linux install, or to have a backup copy, is to avail myself of the pirate market, thus driving that very market which the act was ostensibly intended to forstall.
Go figure.
This is always a good sign that a bad law was written for the wrong reasons. The Lexmark case is a real life example of a reductio ad absurdum argument agains the DMCA. I believe the correct Latin term of legalese for this is "doofey."
Another irony is that the very existence of the DMCA serves to retain VHS as the major consumer media. People like to copy shit. They will continue to use whatever medium is available to them to do so freely. Thus, VHS will also remain a valid market for pirates.
But think of this. I have a DVD legally purchased. I have a legal DVD player as well. I am thus licensed to output the content *without any violation of the DMCA.*
So, I use this to pump output to a VHS recorder and BINGO! I'm in the VHS pirate business, each VHS tape a first generation copy of the digital source, with perferctly legitimate licenses for everything but the final VHS.
The DMCA isn't an antipiracy tool. It *enhances* the output of analog piracy. Legally.
What's wrong with this picture? As you so eloquently show, the DMCA is *not* an antipiracy measure. It is a control of the legitimate licensee measure, and one step on the road to pay per view/read/listen.
I keep buying books, on paper. I advise you do the same. It beats the hell out of trying to memorize them on a pay per read basis.
I would like to apologize to you on behalf of all of us who have occassion to belong to the moderator class of/. user.
Clearly one of us has been ignoring his doctor's advice to stop sniffing glue.
Had your post been moderated down as "Overrated" or perhaps even "troll," I wouldn't have agreed, but I would have let it slide without comment, even in metamoderation.
Not being one to care overmuch about protecting my karma, however, I feel it behooves me to make this gesture in your behalf and beg your indulgence in not holding the single act against an entire class.
Now *this* post, in the limited sense, is offtopic. Of course that's only if you take the limited view and don't see the validity of comments on the topic as being on topic. Personally I believe a certain amount of metatopical discussion only adds to the depth and intelligence of the overall base, but clearly there are those who differ.
One might point out that the steering wheel is a technology that hasn't moved much in 100 years.
Technology isn't supposed to change. It's supposed to *optimize.*
I would suggest that since it hasn't changed significantly for decades is an indication that its users, at least, consider it something near optimum.
It is the *fact* that it hasn't changed much, and your objections to this, that combined serve to prove it has exceeded expectations.
Further proof that it has exceeded expectaions can be found in the fact that your premise is essentially flawed. The developers of UNIX have since gone multiple generations beyond in development, i.e. it *has* changed over time, but the users see no particular reason to make any switch.
About the absolute worst you can say about the 30 year old technology of Unix is that "it suffices."
The claim is that SCO had technology that allowed a UNIX workalike to run on commodity consumer class Intel CPUs.
In other words, this isn't about UnixWare per se, ( which they got from Novell), it's about *Xenix* (which they got from Microsoft) and we all know how technologically advanced Xenix is/was.
And that's without even getting into the fact that they also sell Linux (which they got off the internet for free. Do these people do *anything* on their own?).
So, lets see what we've got here. Their claim seems to be that they *purchased* failed technology, or just plain downloaded the successful bits of it, and this is proof that the R&D might of Linus, GNU, Damned near everyone who programs and has internet access AND IBM combined couldn't have possibly matched their failed technology in only 10 years?
The difference is that if you own land where the railroad decided not to go you lose the one big killing, but the land is still useful, to everybody.
You can still farm it, graze cattle on it, build your own private spur line to the main to get your tomatoes and beef to market, etc. All of which is being a good and productive member of the community while making an ongoing, and decent, profit.
Caldera/SCO is, at least in part, suing because the railroad built its line without them (because they proved themselves without value as partners) and won't carry the third party tainted beef that no one was buying anyway.
I've had largely the same experience with my local public library system.
Ten years ago I could dialup and logon directly to their Unix server and get a compact listing for every search performed.
Since then they have "gone net," not only for remotely connected services but in the main library system itself. To look up a book *in the library* I have to use their web based system. ..
Which displays two or three books per page, and is slow as friggen hell. I tear my hair out everytime I have to use the thing. It's often faster and easier to *walk* the half mile to the library and just browse the shelves for what I want than to use the catalog system from home.
Lists are simple and easy to view and understand at a glance, picking out the relevant information you're looking for in seconds at most.
Paginating lists is like writing a book with two or three words on each page, and even when I was five years old I knew how much that approach sucked.
Pr0n on the internet doesn't harm children at all. The way *adults* react when they notice a kid seeing a naked tit ( an object he may well have been sucking on just a few years before) is what does the harm.
In other words, it's the *censorship* itself that causes the harm. Do away with it and nudity becomes harmless to one and all.
I have a shocking revelation for some of you. Most of your ancestors ran around completely or mostly naked most of their lives and as adults had sex like weasels in heat *right in front of their children.*
If such behaviour were "harmful" to children you yourself would necessarily have been harmed by generations of such behaviour, and you turned out all right, didn't you?
Look at every new law to "protect the rights of children" passed in the past 20 years and you'll discover what it *really* does is remove a right (or rights) from those under 18, or even 21 ( for which, in America, there is no Constitutional justification).
In the 60's and 70's many people fought many a legal war to increase the rights and legal protections enjoyed by children, including such things as lowering the age of majority so one could not be drafted before reaching voting age. Since then the whole thing has gotten turned on its head and "kids" are in many ways worse off now than they were then.
Perhaps "for the children" would be less a phrase of ironic black humor among the populace if the very laws to "proctect their rights" weren't only just a club against adults, but a club used against the very children they are supposed to "protect."
For many companies, including Microsoft item 3 on your list has been filled in with "Sell a shitload of games."
You are perhaps mistaking missing some sales with being unprofitable. Many people make this mistake, and thus fail to profit. Half a fresh pie you can eat is better than a whole pie rotting in a safe.
Apogee actually managed to make a profit *giving* fully functional games away and only selling additional content.
Go figure.
I'm not at all sure that wouldn't make a viable commercial model today. Sell what amounts to a "super demo" for a nominal fee to cover costs, say ten bucks, and get as many copies out there as you could, and then sell extended content for twenty five bucks to those who found the game worth it.
Of course this would only work if you were putting forward a really *good* game.
If you're putting forward a crappy game, yeah, you're right, the only way to profit is copy protect the hell out of it, and make sure you've got the buyer's money well tucked away up front.
Hey, maybe that's why so many games are a pain to play these days. If you can't even get authorized to play a game you've actually paid for you'll never get to find out what a piece of crap it is while you can still return the bugger.
Good games, at a fair price that can simply be copied to a HD and played from there without a key have never failed to be appreciated, and to sell quite well.
In the begining cars designs were not very simple, but their construction was fairly crude, and venture capitalists were coming out of the woodwork to pour money into "the next big thing," and thus literally hundreds of car manufacturers sprang up virtually overnight and IP wars ravaged the land and stunted development for years because whatever one of these hundreds of manufacturers made the other could duplicate in matter of days.
You are falling into the false premise that the way things are today is the way things were back then, when cars weren't made in factories but by a few skilled men in barns. Kind of like Apple was in the early days.
For the most part things take millions to develop and thousands of man hours these days not because it actually takes that, but because the men and dollars are available, so they get spent. If these men and dollars were *not* available pretty much the same work would get done. The main difference is that it would get done faster and cheaper by a few skilled men instead of the hundreds of mediocre ones, and the attendent layer upon layer of middle managment sucking out most of the dollars of any project.
Eli Whitney's cotton gin was "stolen" and in production by copycat companies before Eli had even gotten it out of the demo phase.
Eli never patented anything again in his life, believing that some ideas were simply "to valuable to be owned."
No, that's covered in the chapter "Machiavelli in the Digital Age" which also covers how SCO acquired its UNIX technology from Microsoft in the first place, another failed product, and how one can thus suck scum in a triple recursion.
Real discs are made out of lacquer. For what it's worth my parents tell me that real "discs" are actually cylinders. Go figure.
You're certainly right about the spelling though. I blame a combination of my wireless keyboard needing new batteries and my dyslexia for that glitch. The "t" kept repeating, and I backed up too far without realizing it. Preview don't do a damned bit of good if you can't see what you're looking at properly I'm afraid.
"How your failing company can buy other failing companies"
"How to change your name so when you suck scum a lot of people wont know it's you"
"How to turn on your former friends, customers and associates claiming the product you tried to sell before and couldn't hurts your business now because of one of those other failed companies you bought that couldn't sell its product either"
But wait, don't order now! This offer includes a copy of Ass Reaming for Idiots *at no extra charge!*
Put it on your credit card and we'll bill you in easy installments of only $19.95 million a month.
That's almost free if you think about it, and information wants to be almost free, so long as we make a bundle without actually doing a fricken thing.
Ah, well, I must say I'm with you on that, but at the last meeting of Weights and Measures the revisionists won out and the hogshead ( much to the delight of the hogs) has been officially superseded by the "drum." This really sucks because the minor difference between the two is already creating havoc.
They're still arguing over how many gym bags there are in a drum though.
Really? Man, that's pretty cool. I'll have to go look up the experiment I performed one evening in the dining hall on the ballistic properties of Jell-O cubes.
The lighting fixures were made out of 2x8's with florescent tubes between them and faced on the underside with pebbled plastic, but open on the top.
I got some rather interesting data on particle scattering *and* created a nice "stained glass" effect, all at the same time.
I thought I could gather some interesting data ( and a more interesting "stained glass effect) on the entropic properties of the Jell-O cubes as they melted, but they didn't, they just sorta "mummified."
Well, you have to understand that for those who value simply being able to play with the toys before anyone else, and publicly declare that they have done so, yes, what you describe is a form of payola.
A very minor form of payola, perhaps, but still one that can be used to leverage favorable reviews from many. Which is the issue.
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I live in one. I kind of feel an obligation to stick up for them. What can I say?
They're actually good places to live if you can find a way to extract money from the city where all the people went. And you don't have all those people around to be annoying all the time.
KFG
I've had to try to explain this on any number of occassions. People take a look at Linux for one reason or another and what they see is KDE or Gnome, and believe that Linux, and perhaps, by extension Unix, is buggy and lacking fit and finish.
KDE has its legitimate place. It is overtly a generic GUI, intended to be as vaguely similar to other such interfaces as possible. When I move my mom from her Apple OS8 box to Linux KDE is what she'll get, and she'll be happy with it right off the bat. ( In fact the move is going to take place because she likes it better).
However, for those that can appreciate it, the old command line, C based, tools have been so finely polished by generations of hands running over them that they gleam in the sun.
This is not to say that the core system of Unix couldn't be improved or replaced, but it has certainly at least reached the point where the last ten percent of the job takes ninety percent of the work.
KFG
Dear Sir/Madam,
If you go back and read my post again you might be surprised to find out I agree with you entirely and that I never said that Unix was optimal ( and that I never said that a steering wheel was the optimal way to direct a car either).
In fact, you'll find I explictly stated that its very orginators had improved it (in their opinion) multiple generations of development ago and implied that Unix had only been optimized to the point where it *sufficed* for the typical user of *Unix.*
Please bear in mind that the *topic* under discussion wasn't whether Unix was optimal, clearly it is not, but whether it had *exceeded expectaions*, which it clearly has, and my argument was directed at *that* premise.
As for your last sentence one of the reasons I like and use Linux, as opposed to even some other Unix variant, is that it allows *me* to provide myself with optimizations of the system, irrespective of others opinions or investments.
While this does not drive the optimization of systems *in general* it certainly drives the optimiztion of Unix like systems.
Also, I would advise not falling into the trap of confusing the *shell* with the system. Even under propriatary Unices the shell is ridiculously easy to dick around with to one's heart's content, even for programing novices with only a copy of C for Dummies and Running (Blank) at their disposal.
If, for some reason, you prefer the syntax of DOS to Unix, Unix allows you to use the DOS syntax quite easily. "External" commands, being individual files rather than bundled up in a single metafile, are easily added or modified by the user.
This is one of the reasons for Unix exceeding expectations. It gives power to the individual user/administrator, conversely taking it away from outside vested interests. Some people like this, in fact some people like this so much that "intertia" will keep them from moving to "better" systems (Like BeOS) that remove this capability from them.
And it's the *shell* that people actually interact with, not the system.
KFG
that *with* the DMCA in place, as she is writ, the easiest way for me to play a DVD on my Linux install, or to have a backup copy, is to avail myself of the pirate market, thus driving that very market which the act was ostensibly intended to forstall.
Go figure.
This is always a good sign that a bad law was written for the wrong reasons. The Lexmark case is a real life example of a reductio ad absurdum argument agains the DMCA. I believe the correct Latin term of legalese for this is "doofey."
Another irony is that the very existence of the DMCA serves to retain VHS as the major consumer media. People like to copy shit. They will continue to use whatever medium is available to them to do so freely. Thus, VHS will also remain a valid market for pirates.
But think of this. I have a DVD legally purchased. I have a legal DVD player as well. I am thus licensed to output the content *without any violation of the DMCA.*
So, I use this to pump output to a VHS recorder and BINGO! I'm in the VHS pirate business, each VHS tape a first generation copy of the digital source, with perferctly legitimate licenses for everything but the final VHS.
The DMCA isn't an antipiracy tool. It *enhances* the output of analog piracy. Legally.
What's wrong with this picture? As you so eloquently show, the DMCA is *not* an antipiracy measure. It is a control of the legitimate licensee measure, and one step on the road to pay per view/read/listen.
I keep buying books, on paper. I advise you do the same. It beats the hell out of trying to memorize them on a pay per read basis.
KFG
I would like to apologize to you on behalf of all of us who have occassion to belong to the moderator class of /. user.
Clearly one of us has been ignoring his doctor's advice to stop sniffing glue.
Had your post been moderated down as "Overrated" or perhaps even "troll," I wouldn't have agreed, but I would have let it slide without comment, even in metamoderation.
Not being one to care overmuch about protecting my karma, however, I feel it behooves me to make this gesture in your behalf and beg your indulgence in not holding the single act against an entire class.
Now *this* post, in the limited sense, is offtopic. Of course that's only if you take the limited view and don't see the validity of comments on the topic as being on topic. Personally I believe a certain amount of metatopical discussion only adds to the depth and intelligence of the overall base, but clearly there are those who differ.
Or sniff glue.
Yours,
KFG
Q.E.D.
KFG
One might point out that the steering wheel is a technology that hasn't moved much in 100 years.
Technology isn't supposed to change. It's supposed to *optimize.*
I would suggest that since it hasn't changed significantly for decades is an indication that its users, at least, consider it something near optimum.
It is the *fact* that it hasn't changed much, and your objections to this, that combined serve to prove it has exceeded expectations.
Further proof that it has exceeded expectaions can be found in the fact that your premise is essentially flawed. The developers of UNIX have since gone multiple generations beyond in development, i.e. it *has* changed over time, but the users see no particular reason to make any switch.
About the absolute worst you can say about the 30 year old technology of Unix is that "it suffices."
KFG
The claim is that SCO had technology that allowed a UNIX workalike to run on commodity consumer class Intel CPUs.
In other words, this isn't about UnixWare per se, ( which they got from Novell), it's about *Xenix* (which they got from Microsoft) and we all know how technologically advanced Xenix is/was.
And that's without even getting into the fact that they also sell Linux (which they got off the internet for free. Do these people do *anything* on their own?).
So, lets see what we've got here. Their claim seems to be that they *purchased* failed technology, or just plain downloaded the successful bits of it, and this is proof that the R&D might of Linus, GNU, Damned near everyone who programs and has internet access AND IBM combined couldn't have possibly matched their failed technology in only 10 years?
Right Bob. Bite me.
KFG
The difference is that if you own land where the railroad decided not to go you lose the one big killing, but the land is still useful, to everybody.
You can still farm it, graze cattle on it, build your own private spur line to the main to get your tomatoes and beef to market, etc. All of which is being a good and productive member of the community while making an ongoing, and decent, profit.
Caldera/SCO is, at least in part, suing because the railroad built its line without them (because they proved themselves without value as partners) and won't carry the third party tainted beef that no one was buying anyway.
KFG
I've had largely the same experience with my local public library system.
.
Ten years ago I could dialup and logon directly to their Unix server and get a compact listing for every search performed.
Since then they have "gone net," not only for remotely connected services but in the main library system itself. To look up a book *in the library* I have to use their web based system. .
Which displays two or three books per page, and is slow as friggen hell. I tear my hair out everytime I have to use the thing. It's often faster and easier to *walk* the half mile to the library and just browse the shelves for what I want than to use the catalog system from home.
Lists are simple and easy to view and understand at a glance, picking out the relevant information you're looking for in seconds at most.
Paginating lists is like writing a book with two or three words on each page, and even when I was five years old I knew how much that approach sucked.
KFG
Pr0n on the internet doesn't harm children at all. The way *adults* react when they notice a kid seeing a naked tit ( an object he may well have been sucking on just a few years before) is what does the harm.
In other words, it's the *censorship* itself that causes the harm. Do away with it and nudity becomes harmless to one and all.
I have a shocking revelation for some of you. Most of your ancestors ran around completely or mostly naked most of their lives and as adults had sex like weasels in heat *right in front of their children.*
If such behaviour were "harmful" to children you yourself would necessarily have been harmed by generations of such behaviour, and you turned out all right, didn't you?
Oh, wait. Bad example.
KFG
Look at every new law to "protect the rights of children" passed in the past 20 years and you'll discover what it *really* does is remove a right (or rights) from those under 18, or even 21 ( for which, in America, there is no Constitutional justification).
In the 60's and 70's many people fought many a legal war to increase the rights and legal protections enjoyed by children, including such things as lowering the age of majority so one could not be drafted before reaching voting age. Since then the whole thing has gotten turned on its head and "kids" are in many ways worse off now than they were then.
Perhaps "for the children" would be less a phrase of ironic black humor among the populace if the very laws to "proctect their rights" weren't only just a club against adults, but a club used against the very children they are supposed to "protect."
KFG
For many companies, including Microsoft item 3 on your list has been filled in with "Sell a shitload of games."
You are perhaps mistaking missing some sales with being unprofitable. Many people make this mistake, and thus fail to profit. Half a fresh pie you can eat is better than a whole pie rotting in a safe.
Apogee actually managed to make a profit *giving* fully functional games away and only selling additional content.
Go figure.
I'm not at all sure that wouldn't make a viable commercial model today. Sell what amounts to a "super demo" for a nominal fee to cover costs, say ten bucks, and get as many copies out there as you could, and then sell extended content for twenty five bucks to those who found the game worth it.
Of course this would only work if you were putting forward a really *good* game.
If you're putting forward a crappy game, yeah, you're right, the only way to profit is copy protect the hell out of it, and make sure you've got the buyer's money well tucked away up front.
Hey, maybe that's why so many games are a pain to play these days. If you can't even get authorized to play a game you've actually paid for you'll never get to find out what a piece of crap it is while you can still return the bugger.
Good games, at a fair price that can simply be copied to a HD and played from there without a key have never failed to be appreciated, and to sell quite well.
KFG
In the begining cars designs were not very simple, but their construction was fairly crude, and venture capitalists were coming out of the woodwork to pour money into "the next big thing," and thus literally hundreds of car manufacturers sprang up virtually overnight and IP wars ravaged the land and stunted development for years because whatever one of these hundreds of manufacturers made the other could duplicate in matter of days.
You are falling into the false premise that the way things are today is the way things were back then, when cars weren't made in factories but by a few skilled men in barns. Kind of like Apple was in the early days.
For the most part things take millions to develop and thousands of man hours these days not because it actually takes that, but because the men and dollars are available, so they get spent. If these men and dollars were *not* available pretty much the same work would get done. The main difference is that it would get done faster and cheaper by a few skilled men instead of the hundreds of mediocre ones, and the attendent layer upon layer of middle managment sucking out most of the dollars of any project.
Eli Whitney's cotton gin was "stolen" and in production by copycat companies before Eli had even gotten it out of the demo phase.
Eli never patented anything again in his life, believing that some ideas were simply "to valuable to be owned."
He was right.
KFG
I'd tell you, but I keep getting blank pages and server errors, so I guess you've got to figure it out on your own.
KFG
No, that's covered in the chapter "Machiavelli in the Digital Age" which also covers how SCO acquired its UNIX technology from Microsoft in the first place, another failed product, and how one can thus suck scum in a triple recursion.
KFG
Vinyl? Is that some new fangled thingamajig?
Real discs are made out of lacquer. For what it's worth my parents tell me that real "discs" are actually cylinders. Go figure.
You're certainly right about the spelling though. I blame a combination of my wireless keyboard needing new batteries and my dyslexia for that glitch. The "t" kept repeating, and I backed up too far without realizing it. Preview don't do a damned bit of good if you can't see what you're looking at properly I'm afraid.
KFG
Available now for no less than 1 billion dollars.
Chapters include such topics as:
"How your failing company can buy other failing companies"
"How to change your name so when you suck scum a lot of people wont know it's you"
"How to turn on your former friends, customers and associates claiming the product you tried to sell before and couldn't hurts your business now because of one of those other failed companies you bought that couldn't sell its product either"
But wait, don't order now! This offer includes a copy of Ass Reaming for Idiots *at no extra charge!*
Put it on your credit card and we'll bill you in easy installments of only $19.95 million a month.
That's almost free if you think about it, and information wants to be almost free, so long as we make a bundle without actually doing a fricken thing.
KFG
with 78 rpm. If it was good enough for Sachmo it's good enough for me.
KFG
Ah, well, I must say I'm with you on that, but at the last meeting of Weights and Measures the revisionists won out and the hogshead ( much to the delight of the hogs) has been officially superseded by the "drum." This really sucks because the minor difference between the two is already creating havoc.
They're still arguing over how many gym bags there are in a drum though.
KFG
Don't be silly, LOC's aren't measured by length or breadth or area.
They're clearly measured in fluid ounces. Any 12 year old should know that. What *are* they teaching kids in schools these days?
KFG
Really? Man, that's pretty cool. I'll have to go look up the experiment I performed one evening in the dining hall on the ballistic properties of Jell-O cubes.
The lighting fixures were made out of 2x8's with florescent tubes between them and faced on the underside with pebbled plastic, but open on the top.
I got some rather interesting data on particle scattering *and* created a nice "stained glass" effect, all at the same time.
I thought I could gather some interesting data ( and a more interesting "stained glass effect) on the entropic properties of the Jell-O cubes as they melted, but they didn't, they just sorta "mummified."
I stopped eating the "Jell-O" cubes after that.
KFG
Hell, my car goes faster than that just sitting in the garage. I know, I timed it, from Apollo 11.
KFG
I believe that's a whole olympic sized swimming pool full.
KFG
Well, you have to understand that for those who value simply being able to play with the toys before anyone else, and publicly declare that they have done so, yes, what you describe is a form of payola.
A very minor form of payola, perhaps, but still one that can be used to leverage favorable reviews from many. Which is the issue.
KFG
KFG