. .."twice as good"? "good" is 100% subjective in this situation.
I'm an engineer. I can quantify my opinion. So can the courts. That's why I very specifically said in my post, "Here's why." If you like I can easily demonstrate my opinion by making your brakes what I think are half as "good," but I could not recommend that you take me up on my offer, because. . .
Brakes can likely save your life, if your brakes fail you may harm/kill yourself and/or others.
Well, gee. Seems like you don't really believe that "good" is 100% subjective in this situation at all; and one of the very reasons I will insist on providing my opinion to my customers. They tend to use vehicles that can be dangerous enough in the first place. They race them.
If windows crashes, or you can't figure out how to run something you've just downloaded it's really not a big deal.
And you've never done work that's actually important.
By the way, I fully agree with you that a live CD is one of the best generic ways to promote OSS, but I'll also note that the article poster is dealing with people at the point of install and offering them an alternative.
College courses are a work-for-hire, and the copyright of course content belongs with the institution, not with the individual instructor.
Only true by contract, not by law, although such contracts are now common, because of the colleges viewing research work as a revenue source. It didn't used to be that way and there are still limits on the work for provisions. Professional academics aren't prone to just "give" their work away these days, because, well, there's money in it.
Anyway, claiming copyright on course content while making a living in academe is hypocritical, anyway.
I'll note, however, that I wasn't shy about stating in that thread that I thought preparing class materials was what I was paid to do.
Why shouldn't students who are downloading music and movies assert copyright over their papers? After all, they stand to lose a lot if sued by one of the fascist *AA organizations. Shouldn't turnabout be fair play?
The only reason I would use a CC license, rather than just release into the public domain. If my CC licensing friends want to record one of my songs, sell a thousand copies, and not pay me, I'll be . ..flattered. If Sony wants to release one of my songs they're going to pay me, even if they only sell one copy. . .
. ..and let me root their corporate servers. The bastards.
I really don't like the idea of trying to convert people.
And yet isn't that exactly what an ad for a product is trying to do? At the very least people need to be informed of their options to even know they have them.
I don't like the use of his word "pressure," but I have no problem with proseltizing things I like, particularly if I am the one being called upon to support them, but don't otherwise have a direct profit motive (which just make the issue "sales," and I've been willing to sell stuff in my life).
"Are you sure you want those brakes? They're junk. Here's why. Here are brakes that are twice as good for half the price. You're welcome."
What's wrong with that, especially given that I am not the one selling and profiting from the brakes? I only try to make 'em work right. Brakes that work right in the first place are easier to make work right.
Ever try to make Windows work right? Isn't one of the biggest impediments to OSS getting someone knowledgable to get it working right for you?
And he must be doing something right. A 25% "closing" percentage is phenomenal.
... because so many people want infinite protection for their own ideas even though it's obvious that society functions better with a less restricted idea flow.
The precise reason that, once upon a time, to obtain a copyright you needed to solicit the government for monopoly protection. Prior to 1988 these students would have had no legal legs to stand on.
In their defense I might note that the same would be true of the teachers. There actually is a bit of legitimate tit for tat going here. The very last time this subject came up, not too many days ago, we had a college teacher saying that he didn't post material online or even allow tape recorders in his classes, because his lectures were his intellectual property. Might not the very school/teachers in question have similar issues with students posting school/teacher materials without permission?
Ya think?
At the moment I don't have anything popular enough to make a point with, but the creative projects I have worked on I've made freely available. I'd like to think that if I ever had a big hit song or movie that I'd release it into the public domain after a few years, maybe 14 like the founders allowed. Maybe sooner if I could do so financially.
Pretty much my own plan of attack, or with a CC noncommerical use license, with a liberal ceiling on what I considered commercial use. Under pre 1988 law almost all of my work would already be considered in the public domain, since I have performed them publicly without filing for protection.
Curious, what's the difference between the written essay and the recorded song?
There are no such thing as mechanical royalties for a written work. You do not need explicit persmission to reproduce a song, you only need to inform the rights holder that you have done so and profer a fee whose maximum is set by law. That's why radio stations keep play lists.
Reproduction of an essay must be explicitly negotiated with the rights holder, who has the right to demand a price set by him.
Although both cases are issues of copyright, there is a bit of an apples and oranges thing going on here, since each case is covered by code unique to the media.
I think the problem here is that the company is permenantly keeping it, and I'd be pretty smarted about that as well, but then on the flip side of the coin for the company and the school, the more copies they have, the more likely (in their view) it is that they will catch those who for example, are using their older brothers essays to go through or using work taken from old pupils.
Well yes, that's just the point. Without retaining the papers their database of papers would be empty. What good would FDDB be if they automatically purged every entry?
I don't think, however, that the average Joe-Citizen is able to launch a criminal case against anyone.
The vast majority of criminal cases are launched not by police action, but on the complaint of an average Joe-Citizen. In fact, most cases cannot even go forward without such a complaint, even in the clear presence of a crime, since prosecution requires a faceable accusser.
Now, while I suspect as a matter of pure legalism this motion has a good chance of success, I don't think many people would seriously argue that the person being accused here wasn't illegally sharing files based on this evidence.
You are not arguing to the point of the RIAA's claim. The reason for claiming the largest number of files possible is to claim larger damages. Larger damages, with the cocommitant criminal activity that comes with them, are more likely to result in an out of court settlement, for a larger amount of money.
It's an intimidation tactic. The accused is choosing to put up the best fight rather than be intimidated; and everyone here understands that despite their claims, the RIAA has not actually identified an individual who did the sharing, but merely the individual whose name the account is in?
He was probalby being lazy and didn't metion the car could do electrolysis when plugged in.
Requiring your car to be able to deal with low density gaseous hydrogen, doubling the size of the car if you want any range and obviating the whole point of having a reformer in the first place.
Of course the damn government will have to come in and spoil our fun by requiring our vodka trees to output denatured vodka syrup.
I fooled them, Grandma, I switched to biodiesel. For purely asthetic reasons I prefer my long hydrocarbon chains capped by an oxygen finial. The particular formulation of biodiesel I'm partial to is refered to colloquially as "Gouda." In order to assemble the long chains from the plant matter you will require a processing device known colloquially as a "cow."
Yet in a large majority of the cases you'd never actually need to fill up at the gas station assuming you recharged your fuel cells overnight.
Fuel cells are "recharged" with. ..hydrogen, not electricity. The electricity is stored in. ..the hydrogen. When the hyrdrogen is gone, so is the electricity. That's the way it works.
If you want to recharge your electric car overnight without going to a filling station you'll need a battery. Perhaps you can use it to make it back to the filling station.
Ahhhhhhhhhh, haven't been there in quite a while. Maybe I should add it to the next year's wandering list. There's people I'd like to see again, but I'm a "suspicious" looking charecter and I understand that US Customs can be real jerks these days. I hate that.
USians are constontantly trying to renegotiate the English language to everyone's despair.
It's a nasty habit we picked up from the British. Myself I like to read people like Chaucer, Shakespeare, Kipling, Carroll and Milne. You wouldn't believe the crap they pull on a perfectly good language.
Ah, well, there's the rub. At the moment you kinda don't. I've already laid in for a winter of intense practice and a bit of composing in contemplation of doing some actual recording, not all of it my own projects.
There are some local clubs where I go to see the musician type friends and test out material and such on a semiregular basis, but they're all within 25 miles of Albany, NY. Come spring I'll probably start wandering around the Adirondacks, Green Mountains, NYC and Boston again. I've been sticking to the Northeast lately.
You'll note also that I don't do any online promotion at all as yet. I walk softly and carry a big stick; with holes in it. If clubs I play at happen to drop my name online there's nothing I can do about that but stop doing gigs entirely, which I'm not entirely prepared to do. I enjoy it too much.
So I'm not quite ready to hide in a cave, but if you're not the sort of person who already comes to my gigs, you aren't likely to come to one of my gigs, because you aren't likely to find them. It's almost all word of mouth. Maybe I'll get over that someday, but not today.
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Here's the way it'll work. He'll stop doing his bosses job. His boss will fire him. He'll go get a new job.
In the meantime, his boss can no longer get his job done without someone to do it for him, so upper management fires him.
His boss get a new job, as his new boss.
Life has a cruel sense of humor.
KFG
The one downside would be the inability to prove that a match isn't a false positive...
A chain is as strong as its weakest link.
KFG
There's the problem and the problem with the analogy in the article of downloaded music. The problem in both cases is that Turnitin is
* profiting
Substitute CDDB for FDDB in my post. There were a few people more than a bit bent out of shape by their going commercial; and justifiably so.
And what happens when Turnitin starts viewing the content of their database as a commodity?
KFG
I'd say if he works for a public school and is paid by the public it would be in the public domain.
Tell it to the judge.
KFG
. . ."twice as good"? "good" is 100% subjective in this situation.
I'm an engineer. I can quantify my opinion. So can the courts. That's why I very specifically said in my post, "Here's why." If you like I can easily demonstrate my opinion by making your brakes what I think are half as "good," but I could not recommend that you take me up on my offer, because. . .
Brakes can likely save your life, if your brakes fail you may harm/kill yourself and/or others.
Well, gee. Seems like you don't really believe that "good" is 100% subjective in this situation at all; and one of the very reasons I will insist on providing my opinion to my customers. They tend to use vehicles that can be dangerous enough in the first place. They race them.
If windows crashes, or you can't figure out how to run something you've just downloaded it's really not a big deal.
And you've never done work that's actually important.
By the way, I fully agree with you that a live CD is one of the best generic ways to promote OSS, but I'll also note that the article poster is dealing with people at the point of install and offering them an alternative.
KFG
College courses are a work-for-hire, and the copyright of course content belongs with the institution, not with the individual instructor.
.flattered. If Sony wants to release one of my songs they're going to pay me, even if they only sell one copy. . .
.and let me root their corporate servers. The bastards.
Only true by contract, not by law, although such contracts are now common, because of the colleges viewing research work as a revenue source. It didn't used to be that way and there are still limits on the work for provisions. Professional academics aren't prone to just "give" their work away these days, because, well, there's money in it.
Anyway, claiming copyright on course content while making a living in academe is hypocritical, anyway.
I'll note, however, that I wasn't shy about stating in that thread that I thought preparing class materials was what I was paid to do.
Why shouldn't students who are downloading music and movies assert copyright over their papers? After all, they stand to lose a lot if sued by one of the fascist *AA organizations. Shouldn't turnabout be fair play?
The only reason I would use a CC license, rather than just release into the public domain. If my CC licensing friends want to record one of my songs, sell a thousand copies, and not pay me, I'll be . .
. .
KFG
I really don't like the idea of trying to convert people.
And yet isn't that exactly what an ad for a product is trying to do? At the very least people need to be informed of their options to even know they have them.
I don't like the use of his word "pressure," but I have no problem with proseltizing things I like, particularly if I am the one being called upon to support them, but don't otherwise have a direct profit motive (which just make the issue "sales," and I've been willing to sell stuff in my life).
"Are you sure you want those brakes? They're junk. Here's why. Here are brakes that are twice as good for half the price. You're welcome."
What's wrong with that, especially given that I am not the one selling and profiting from the brakes? I only try to make 'em work right. Brakes that work right in the first place are easier to make work right.
Ever try to make Windows work right? Isn't one of the biggest impediments to OSS getting someone knowledgable to get it working right for you?
And he must be doing something right. A 25% "closing" percentage is phenomenal.
KFG
... because so many people want infinite protection for their own ideas even though it's obvious that society functions better with a less restricted idea flow.
The precise reason that, once upon a time, to obtain a copyright you needed to solicit the government for monopoly protection. Prior to 1988 these students would have had no legal legs to stand on.
In their defense I might note that the same would be true of the teachers. There actually is a bit of legitimate tit for tat going here. The very last time this subject came up, not too many days ago, we had a college teacher saying that he didn't post material online or even allow tape recorders in his classes, because his lectures were his intellectual property. Might not the very school/teachers in question have similar issues with students posting school/teacher materials without permission?
Ya think?
At the moment I don't have anything popular enough to make a point with, but the creative projects I have worked on I've made freely available. I'd like to think that if I ever had a big hit song or movie that I'd release it into the public domain after a few years, maybe 14 like the founders allowed. Maybe sooner if I could do so financially.
Pretty much my own plan of attack, or with a CC noncommerical use license, with a liberal ceiling on what I considered commercial use. Under pre 1988 law almost all of my work would already be considered in the public domain, since I have performed them publicly without filing for protection.
KFG
Curious, what's the difference between the written essay and the recorded song?
There are no such thing as mechanical royalties for a written work. You do not need explicit persmission to reproduce a song, you only need to inform the rights holder that you have done so and profer a fee whose maximum is set by law. That's why radio stations keep play lists.
Reproduction of an essay must be explicitly negotiated with the rights holder, who has the right to demand a price set by him.
Although both cases are issues of copyright, there is a bit of an apples and oranges thing going on here, since each case is covered by code unique to the media.
KFG
You'd almost start to think that once you'd read a handful of high school papers you'd pretty much read 'em all.
You might also start to wonder if the kids weren't starting to catch on to the pure bullshit factor of most assignments these days.
KFG
I think the problem here is that the company is permenantly keeping it, and I'd be pretty smarted about that as well, but then on the flip side of the coin for the company and the school, the more copies they have, the more likely (in their view) it is that they will catch those who for example, are using their older brothers essays to go through or using work taken from old pupils.
Well yes, that's just the point. Without retaining the papers their database of papers would be empty. What good would FDDB be if they automatically purged every entry?
KFG
I don't think, however, that the average Joe-Citizen is able to launch a criminal case against anyone.
The vast majority of criminal cases are launched not by police action, but on the complaint of an average Joe-Citizen. In fact, most cases cannot even go forward without such a complaint, even in the clear presence of a crime, since prosecution requires a faceable accusser.
KFG
I know everyone despises Windows, but the obvious bias doesn't look particularly professional for a top tech site.
Even The Big Blue Brother is beginning acknowledge that "professional" is not synonymous with "assimilated into the machine."
Lighten up and wear wider pinstripes.
KFG
Now, while I suspect as a matter of pure legalism this motion has a good chance of success, I don't think many people would seriously argue that the person being accused here wasn't illegally sharing files based on this evidence.
You are not arguing to the point of the RIAA's claim. The reason for claiming the largest number of files possible is to claim larger damages. Larger damages, with the cocommitant criminal activity that comes with them, are more likely to result in an out of court settlement, for a larger amount of money.
It's an intimidation tactic. The accused is choosing to put up the best fight rather than be intimidated; and everyone here understands that despite their claims, the RIAA has not actually identified an individual who did the sharing, but merely the individual whose name the account is in?
KFG
He was probalby being lazy and didn't metion the car could do electrolysis when plugged in.
Requiring your car to be able to deal with low density gaseous hydrogen, doubling the size of the car if you want any range and obviating the whole point of having a reformer in the first place.
http://www.navc.org/storage.html
KFG
Of course the damn government will have to come in and spoil our fun by requiring our vodka trees to output denatured vodka syrup.
I fooled them, Grandma, I switched to biodiesel. For purely asthetic reasons I prefer my long hydrocarbon chains capped by an oxygen finial. The particular formulation of biodiesel I'm partial to is refered to colloquially as "Gouda." In order to assemble the long chains from the plant matter you will require a processing device known colloquially as a "cow."
KFG
Quality English writing? Shit, I just read it for dick and fart jokes.
KFG
Had a girlfriend in college whose gynocologist's name was Dr. Lecher. You can't make this stuff up.
KFG
Turning hydrogen into fossil fuels. Now THAT would be something to see.
They're called "plants" and "fungi." Perhaps you've heard of them? The hydrocarbon compound they produce is often refered to colloquially as "vodka."
KFG
Yet in a large majority of the cases you'd never actually need to fill up at the gas station assuming you recharged your fuel cells overnight.
.hydrogen, not electricity. The electricity is stored in. . .the hydrogen. When the hyrdrogen is gone, so is the electricity. That's the way it works.
Fuel cells are "recharged" with. .
If you want to recharge your electric car overnight without going to a filling station you'll need a battery. Perhaps you can use it to make it back to the filling station.
http://www.howstuffworks.com/fuel-cell.htm
KFG
Like a Wiffle Bat?
Keyless flute. It's a Zen Irish thing.
If I was still in Montreal I'd look you up.
Ahhhhhhhhhh, haven't been there in quite a while. Maybe I should add it to the next year's wandering list. There's people I'd like to see again, but I'm a "suspicious" looking charecter and I understand that US Customs can be real jerks these days. I hate that.
KFG
USians are constontantly trying to renegotiate the English language to everyone's despair.
It's a nasty habit we picked up from the British. Myself I like to read people like Chaucer, Shakespeare, Kipling, Carroll and Milne. You wouldn't believe the crap they pull on a perfectly good language.
They've been a terrible influence on me.
KFG
They may write themselves, but it helps if you remember to perform the necessary editing before you hit "Submit."
Mea Culpa.
KFG
Ah, well, there's the rub. At the moment you kinda don't. I've already laid in for a winter of intense practice and a bit of composing in contemplation of doing some actual recording, not all of it my own projects.
There are some local clubs where I go to see the musician type friends and test out material and such on a semiregular basis, but they're all within 25 miles of Albany, NY. Come spring I'll probably start wandering around the Adirondacks, Green Mountains, NYC and Boston again. I've been sticking to the Northeast lately.
You'll note also that I don't do any online promotion at all as yet. I walk softly and carry a big stick; with holes in it. If clubs I play at happen to drop my name online there's nothing I can do about that but stop doing gigs entirely, which I'm not entirely prepared to do. I enjoy it too much.
So I'm not quite ready to hide in a cave, but if you're not the sort of person who already comes to my gigs, you aren't likely to come to one of my gigs, because you aren't likely to find them. It's almost all word of mouth. Maybe I'll get over that someday, but not today.
KFG
. . .setting a precedent whereby all information publicly available on the internet would be entered into the public domain . . .
That'll solve the problem alright, by eliminating publication to the web, so they'll be no news to search for. Go buy a paper.
KFG