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Vista RC1 Build 5728 Publicly Released
ClausValca writes "Doing some late-night surfing last night and came across a post over at Cybernet News: Limited Time Only: Vista 5728 Available To The Public. Although apparently intended for the TAP and Technical Beta Testers....it is available for download to the public via this Microsoft public download page for Vista 5728. There is a link on that page as well for direct download of the latest 64-bit flavor of that version as well. An Ars Technica post also has some background info on the new release. Techweb is reporting that Microsoft is specifically asking for feedback on this release, so make sure and let them know what you think."
Wasn't there a time when "RC" literally meant release canadidate as in if this works we're burning this exact image on the retail CDs? Nowadays release candidates are really betas, and betas -- which are supposed to be feature complete, almost 100% apps that are only being tested for technical faults, are really alphas, with endless new feature additions and changes.
How long are people allowed to use this version? Will it up and die after a lockout one day?
For the lazy ones like me http://download.windowsvista.com/preview/rc1/en/x6 4/iso/vista_5728.16387.060917-1430_x64fre_client-L RMCxFRE_EN_DVD.iso
Never learn by your mistakes, if you do you may never dare to try again
This build is not RC1, it's part of the RTM tree. They're currently up to 5731, and this build is about a week old.
http://download.windowsvista.com/preview/rc1/en/x8 6/iso/vista_5728.16387.060917-1430_x86fre_client-l rmcfre_en_dvd.iso
e _en_dvd.iso
X86 version.
File size: 2622MB
Type: 32-bit
Name: vista_5728.16387.060917-1430_x86fre_client-lrmcfr
Build Number: 5728.16387
Note: Your Beta 2/RC1 product keys will still be valid for this version.
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Wincopy
Techweb is reporting that Microsoft is specifically asking for feedback on this release, so make sure and let them know what you think.
Probably a bit too late to ask for POSIX interoperability, eh?
Does one needs to buy a Product Key for testing this release candidate?
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Over here: http://ctrinity.wordpress.com/2006/09/14/how-to-ge t-your-vista-rc1-product-key/
Are Microsoft still nuking everything in their path, or do they play nice with the MBR now?
I think we're beyond blaming incompetence if they don't play nice...
Belief is the currency of delusion.
I think I don't need it. I would have to buy new computers to use it and I don't see any benefit to justify the expense. In past, I've upgraded when there was some benefit to be gained. For instance, I went to Windows (3.1) in the first place so I could run CorelDraw. I could do stuff that previously had been available only to Mac users. The choice was clear cut and I was delighted to switch.
Microsoft alienated me with the first commercial release of XP. You couldn't change anything about your computer without calling them for a new authorization number. There were also the rumors that XP was 'calling home' with information about what was on your hard drive. I vowed that XP would never enter my house and never sully my work computer. I switched to Linux. It does everything I need done. Why would I switch.
My wife's computer runs Win98. If it weren't for OpenOffice, she would have to switch to be able to read files that her customers send her. As it is, OpenOffice reads all those files just fine, so she doesn't have to switch either.
Microsoft is going to have trouble selling Vista. They are also having legal trouble in Europe. Their response is to say that the economy will be boosted if everyone switches to Vista. http://www.linuxjournal.com/node/1000097 They're nothing if not creative. But no thanks anyway Bill.
So what's your point? :p
Send email from the afterlife! Write your e-will at Dead Man's Switch.
I wish they wrote A ChangeLog.txt like most of the people in the biz.
Has anybody been able to get this to install in VMware yet? (I have tried a few of the previous builds, but alas it wouldn't boot in VMWare.)
"The price good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." ~Plato (427-347 BC)
And just so everyone is clear, 'Replace this steaming pile with Ubuntu" is probably *not* the kind of feedback Microsoft is looking for ;)
Wincopy
Good god man,
If you give up that quickly on Windows, an OS that often takes the approach of insulating users from functionality through a very fine-tuned UI aimed for maximum user friendliness, then I hate to think what must have happened when you tried an OS that takes a "more power to the user" ideology, like say, "Linux"?
Step 1: Install Linux
Step 2: Try to compile something
Step 3: It breaks, throw-away Linux in absolute disgust
Step 4: Return to pre-configured Microsoft Bob, where it's safe.
To further add to the absurdity of the previous post, the code you are using is _NOT_ finished. I'm not defending Windows, just preaching common sense. It's quite possible it could have been a bug specific to the users setup.
It's uninformative, ridiculous comments like the former that harm Slashdot, offering a stereotypical Windows bashing with no real merit, contributing nothing.
...or is the image Slashdot uses for Windows-related articles made up of cracked/broken glass?
I know everyone despises Windows, but the obvious bias doesn't look particularly professional for a top tech site.
(no, I'm not new here)
what I think about it?
As the island of our knowledge grows, so does the shore of our ignorance.
Very bad UI optimized for newbies, with non-meaningful error messages and options hidden in Advanced -> Advanced -> Advanced.
I have Linux installed on my second HDD and it works well. /etc.
When some stupid wizard doesn't work, I can edit the configuration files in
In Linux (Fedora Core 5) my PPPoE connection works, in Vista it doesn't.
It's a Release Candidate, which should be 99.9% finished. Not being able to connect to the internet is a major bug.
Nothing on linux comes close to the windows desktop imo.
But having tried vista i seriously think its a step backwards for windows.
more worryingly its starts to make ubutu or sticking with windows 2000/xp look like a serious alternative.
MS havnt really innovated in gui design since windows 95.
Vista is like XP but with even more pointless visual effects to turn off, not to meantion it runs alot slower.
that you think is perfectly fine? OK by me..
dis microsoft windows, you have a problem with
dis chief architecht, you don't mention at all?
every day http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Random
Not troll, PPPoE in Vista really doesn't work and I won't use an operating system which can't connect to the internet.
Vista RC1 b5728
Has anyone tried downloading by the bittorrent yet?
I just pooped your party.
It's a Release Candidate, which should be 99.9% finished. Not being able to connect to the internet is a major bug.
In his drivers or in the OS?
Beware: In C++, your friends can see your privates!
Microsquish should be happy to dump all that nasty DRM in response to customer wishes, too, right?
One thing that is keeping me from letting Vista any where near my computer is the fear of excess DRM and lack of OpenGL support. Can anyone, who has used the new system, tell me how founded those fears are? Is the DRM in enough quantitities to cause issue and are you able to run any programs that run OpenGL? I am only interested in reports from people who have tried, not from a friend of a friend of a reporter of some company.
Jumpstart the tartan drive.
I have no desire whatsoever to spend my time and resources to download and test software from Microsoft, to help them make it better. First I don't want Vista to be any good. Let them release it and then crash and burn. Second, if they want it to be good, let them test it themselves. They have enough money, and they keep stealing enough money by leveraging their monopoly; they should be able to afford good testers. Maybe I'm just too cynical, but I really don't see the point in helping Microsoft for free. The earlier they get Vista out the of the door the sooner you'll hurt, for example by more DRM, more 'trusted computing' which means you pay more but can do less. So can anyone explain why, other than reasons cult members typically use, I should help Microsoft in getting Vista ready?
I'm puzzled as to why MS would be offering a RC for public download from a site that is not part of microsoft.com. Surely MS isn't short on server capacity or bandwidth :)
Seriously though, why is this not part of the microsoft.com domain?
Government's idea of a balanced budget: take money from the right pocket to balance...oh who am I kidding?
Get a Mac
Thank you.
Business isn't willing to pay for products, innovation and careers, so we get brands, mortgage commercials and layoffs.
Don't voice an opinion unless you can back it up in facts. The Linux desktop has improved extensively over the years. I frankly don't see what more could possibly be done to get people to finally admit that Linux is truely ready for the desktop. It has everything I want; OpenOffice, a good non-DRM media player, and a GUI that I can customize in ways Windows can't. WINE cna run a number of Windows programs including World of Warcraft. Yes, I need to keep Windows around for Final Fantasy XI because it still doesn't work right under Linux but that will change as WINE improves.
Michael "TheZorch" Haney
thezorch@gmail.com
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Well, it is more stable and a bit faster than the pre-RC1.
It's still pretty.
Explorer likes to hang when transfering files.
IAC is still annoying, and over done.
If Vista doesn't specifically recognize that you own a file, it's read only. This means you have to either download a file, or have it in your directory. Deleting or moving something on any secondary drives (I have 3 other hard drives) is a serious pain. This means usually manually changing ownership, changing read writes, and then repeating this process a couple of times since it doesn't always save the new settings.
Oh, and google's desktop bar is better than the new-built-in-hard-to-disable M$ desktop bar.
And anyone looking for the nifty 3-d desktop should look elsewhere for something to install on XP. Windows are stacked in slightly more than 2-d space, and you have to click a button to view that. Don't worry, you can use that feature to flip through buttons. What happened to rotating windows with side title bars? Hell, don't ask me. I dunno.
Last, and probably least, the "Ultimate Edition Extras", a new windows update category, doesn't even have a sample download. Ultimate edition just gives you all of those fancy (cough, cough) graphic features I mentioned.
PS: That is what part of the alphabet would look like if the letters "Q" and "R" were removed.
Here is another link: http://bink.nu/Article8359.bink
Since when are there programs that don't need to be compiled on Windows but do need to be compiled on Linux?
For your information, my copy of Ubuntu came pre-compiled...
It doesn't recognize the hard drive for Vmware 29996.
Vmware support for Vista is "experimental"
I have been able to run all Vistas up to and including 5600.
When I go to install 57XX I get a prompt to install a disk driver.
Microsoft had to go out of it's way to delete the driver or prevent it from
working with vmware.
Perhaps they want real error reports from bare metal installs.
Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Haven't downloaded anything from MS for years. Now I thought to try the forbidden fruit. And what I get is .......... 0% 883.15 B/s .......... 0% 711.69 B/s .......... 0% 615.87 B/s
0K
50K
100K
on a 8Mbit/s pipe.
Where's the mirror ??
Or is this the cautious handling by my OpenBSD server to which I download ?
But it's a great way to keep Vista worm/virus free :)
Space for rent, inquire within
The installer is on a DVD .iso and weighs in at 2.5GB
Using FireFox MS requires you to allow a Java download utility to maintain the download. Prepair for screen resizings.
Looks like Microsoft is using Akamai for distribution, so it should be fast globaly.
Everything I needed to know about life, I learnt from Blake's Seven
Microsoft is specifically asking for feedback on this release, so make sure and let them know what you think.
So they want the benefits of OSS without having to use the OSS model... They just want to use us.
So, I'm half way there downloading Vista's RC1, and a new release gets, um... released?!
Nope - using Firefox v 1.5.0.7. I used Akamai to d/l RC1 though. In my area, the ISP tends to reset routers randomly - so I could still get burned. Up to 52% now.
"Let us raise a standard to which the wise and honest can repair" - George Washington
This means, it is a true candidate for release to the world. "If all goes well, ship THIS build".
I seriously doubt Microsoft internally really believes this is a release candidate, and they know it.
Modesty is one of life's greatest attributes
It works with VMWare, but there's a trick to it. As others have noted the ISO for 5728 doesn't play nice with VMWare and can't see where to install to. But RC1 will install. So I did the following: Download RC1 (build 5600), create a virtual machine with about 20 GB of harddrive space (minimum) set the 5600 ISO as the VMWare CD-drive. Install 5600 to the VM's harddrive and configure. I installed some stuff at this point (VMWare Tools & Firefox) but I'm pretty sure you don't need tools yet. Get the 5728 ISO set it as the CD-drive. DO NOT boot from the CD, just from harddrive. Run the CDs autorun from inside 5600, choose upgrade - this is why you need a big HD, for some reason it needs/thinks it needs 10GB or more free to upgrade - go through the whole process. Reboot several times in the process, finally boot into 5728 working in VMWare.
The option to disable driver signing protection permanently will not be in the final version of Vista. The only option to disable it will be pressing F8 every time you boot the system and select that option.
There is something called "test signing", but this is a pain to enable. Also, if either test signing is enabled or driver signature checking is disabled, Windows Media Player refuses to play protected songs and movies. Protection against rootkits my ass.
Melissa
"Screw Sun, cross-platform will never work. Let's move on and steal the Java language." - Visual J++ Product Manager
I forgot to mention I used an IDE hard-drive in VMWare, not a SCSI one. Not sure if that matters though. And since I actually made mine too small (defaulted to 16GB) I simply added a second to provide extra space during the upgrade.
It offers nothing, is closed and DRM-infested. The user experience is no better than before.
'Once scientists, even the dim-witted social scientists, get muzzled, the Western Civilization is finished.' - oldhack
I'm not sure if this feature is in build 5728, but figured the /. community would want to know anyway given the heated discussion on this topic a month or so back.
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After much feedback, and many arguments, the Vista startup sound is finally getting a toggle! Yes, you read that right, someone finally yelled loud enough that marketing/upper mgmt realized that users in fact do want to be able to control their own computer!
The regular sound control panel has a new checkbox to control the startup chime as described here: http://blogs.technet.com/windowsvista/archive/200
The guy who fixed our computers experimented with the authorization thing. The list of components you acknowledged needed authorization missed only the hard drive to be everything in the computer. AFAK, changing the hard drive also required a phone call. What was reported to me was quite bad. I'm sorry but nobody would put up with having to phone Ford every time they changed a tire. I don't see why computers are any different. I don't appreciate being treated like a criminal especially when the one doing it is a convicted monopolist (and therefore a criminal).
Note that my comments about the phoning home thing referred to rumors I had heard and I referred to them as such. OK so part of my decision to drop Windows was based on a rumor. Mea culpa.
You basically called me a liar. I think most people know what to call you.
So can anyone explain why, other than reasons cult members typically use, I should help Microsoft in getting Vista ready?
Perhaps if you were less arrogant you'd realize that these releases are intended for the Beta test community and the fact that people figure out how to get keys and download them to play around is not the original intent. These release are for individuals on the beta new groups who are part of the ongoing team that has been testing it for some time now. Go away, no one cares if you test it. There IS a group of MS testers and this is for them not you.
The nvidia driver bug still exists... so you need to hack the install to get some nvidia cards to work. Microsoft - do you even test this crap? http://forums.hexus.net/showthread.php?t=85252
No matter how much visual ice cream they put on it, it's still a turd underneath: a fundamentally insecure system with flaws that run right to its very core. Very impressive, but there is no long-term future for the OS.
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I have a 15" MacBook Pro with Parallels Desktop for Mac buid 1848. After I boot off of the ISO image, Windows Boot Manager tells me that "Windows failed to load because the firmware (BIOS) is not ACPI compatible". Bummer...
"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -
It's just that we never use the word "compile" on Windows. Those "installer wizards" keep words like that off the page. I did recompile the kernel on my Linux box once--because I have a dual core processor and wanted to set it up to make better use of that. I'd rather do that once than have to manually mandate which program goes where on a dual core in Windows.
look! it's a bird, it's a plane, it's....a girl? yes, a girl browsing Slashdot on Linux
is only 2.56 Gigs. So your figures are off. My connection to the net must be faster than the parent to this thread. That's all. I have it. He gave up. I don't like quibbling about speed - does it really matter?
Speed Nazi Rant off.
"Let us raise a standard to which the wise and honest can repair" - George Washington
I finally got the install to start clean with 5782. Initially, I kept getting the "A required cd/dvd drive driver" message. I tried using VMWare's ISO mounting and D-Tools, and tried the legacy option on both. Finally I just physically burned the disc, and suddenly it worked fine. WTF.
"No one likes working in a hamster wheel, and your shop smells of cedar shavings from here." - TaleSpinner
Techweb is reporting that Microsoft is specifically asking for feedback on this release, so make sure and let them know what you think.
User feedback is among the most valuable and hard to get pieces of information for a commercial company. Why the hell would you give this to Microsoft for free and then pay for the end product?
If you want to go through the trouble of giving useful feedback on UI matters, give it to the Gnome project: they'll collect your feedback and use it to improve the next version of Gnome, which you can then use for free.
I read up on XP activation. If things had gone the way Microsoft said they should then our computer fixer would not have had the problems he did. I've watched him in action and he does know what he's doing. So, as far as listening to someone who knows what they're talking about, I did. If he says things happened, then they probably did.
t prob.html Not everything went the way Microsoft said it should.
If you google on XP activation problems you get more than two million hits. Here's an example: http://www.mikeshardware.com/reports/report_winac
In what way doesn't it work??? I am sitting on vista 5731 and connected to the internet via PPPoE.
How can this also be RC1? Reminds me of my companies recent pre-beta3 release...?!?!?? Maybe they are just as unclear on the concept as we are.
That argument would fly the same if WIndows was still stuck on the Windows 3.1 interface, but who would want that? I don't think the world had a problem adapting to Windows 95, which was like finally a breath of fresh air, and I don't think the confusion was that great for newcomers from Win31. However there is such a thing as something becoming a mature technology, and you can only innovate so much. The latin alphabet superceded the greek and the egyptian hieroglyphs, which were all great inventions in their time, or even equivalent to the latin alphabet just different, but not much has changed for like 2 millenia now. Will that be the same with the 2d computer interfaces, in 2 millenia will we still have a Start button? Yeah, ok, you still have cyrillic alphabets, arabic, chinese, etc, but I don't think they represent such a tremenduous technological improvement over the latin one. If they'd be an improvement, we'd be using them, just like around the 1500's people switched from roman numerals to "arabic" numerals developed by the indians, because they were better, but we've been stuck with the same symbols for 500 years now.
If I had a DVD Burner, I would download it.
finally get my hands on vista and i'm downloading the iso in firefox.. just anxious when this piece of crap browser crashes,the download says 13 hours remaining on a 5 meg connection.. oh yippy!
Bleh. That's what I think.
.. not ever actually getting to play (unless you count 3 steps in spawn as playing before the game crashes).
I understand that everything is still in flux right now, but COME ON!!
Install Vista - clean install no upgrades here. 2.8ghz P4 . 1g ram . 250g SATA drive. How much faster do you want? nVidia 6600 PCI-X video card.
Download / install the drivers from nVidia. Install Steam ( steampowered.com ) and try to play DOD / Counter Strike or any of the source games.
Watch in amazement as Vista wigs out
This is a RELEASE CANDIDATE?!?!
Feels more like a Beta1..
= Grow a brain...
Burn the ISO to a DVD then tell VMWare to boot from that. For some reason it doesn't like booting straight from the ISO.
Microsoft called build 5600 of Vista RC1, not build 5728. The headline is misleading. The cited article correctly states that build 5728 is an update to RC1.
if either test signing is enabled or driver signature checking is disabled, Windows Media Player refuses to play protected songs and movies. Protection against rootkits my ass.
No further comment necessary.
Windows Vista doesn't even ship with telnet.exe.
'telnet' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file.
:wq