There are always those few perceptives minds that can see through the illusion to the underlying form.
I think the "crippling" effect of BASIC is nothing more than confusing causality with correlation.
On the other hand, I haven't actually seen your code.:)
By the way, have you read Danny Dunn and the Homework Machine? If not you might want to give it a look even though it's a "juvvie," you might be particularly suited to appreciating it.
So I was right and my computer science teacher was wrong?!
Most of them are these days. The inmates have not only taken over the asylum, they've murdered the staff, danced on their graves and erected monuments to themselves.
Sure you might like to play the song a lot but if a song just went on forever it would get pretty repetitive don't you think?
Exactly my point. You see, there is more than one song. There's even more than one type of song. Heck, I can even. . . invent my own!
An unscripted RTS can be varied in thousands of different ways to give a different experience every time, just as a flute can be played differently.
Myst was dead for me in one evening.
But even with just one song it need not ever get boring, because there is always some available goal within the performance of the song that one has not yet reached. Perfection can be chased, but it cannot be caught.
Lap times are never 0.
Please do not get the impression that because I favor a different sort of game that I am criticising your preference and thus you personally. To each his own. I am merely standing for a point of view that appears to be foreign to the article author. There is a tendency for gamers to think of their prefered sort of game as "gaming."
This is an error.
There are comparitively few really good open ended games on the market though. Publishers don't like them for a very simple reason; they cannot be effectively used to rape your boredom for profit. You buy 'em once and play 'em forever.
On the whole, if a game can be "finished," I'm not interested in it at all. Give me open ended, skill based games with infinate replaybility every time.
If I could "finish" playing the flute, why would I even start?
Because Djkstra was right. With whatever apologies might be due to the author, his early exposure to BASIC has damaged his mind so beyond repair that he cannot concieve of a good learning language as being anything other than line oriented.
Python and Squeek, each in their own way, are probably the best learning languages ever devised. They are both "real" languages that can be used for "real" work after you learn them, but also serve as good stepping stones to other languages, without instilling you with a line oriented mind.
Programming students don't need to learn line numbers, they need to learn number; mathematics; and logical structure. Line numbers do nothing other than give the illusion that a program has structure, whether it actually has any or not.
. ..someone might have to look back to see what the turn-ons of Miss May 1985 were.
I first learned about the idea of the space elevator in . ..Playboy. It's where Clarke first published Fountains of Paradise. It isn't all about pictures of women. . .
. ..although I'm a bit partial to January 1967 and October 1979 myself.
The 'bible-haters' here aren't exactly a majority. ..
There are many haters of particular versions of The Bible.
I was walking across a bridge one day, and I saw a man standing on the edge, about to jump off. So I ran over and said "Stop! don't do it!" "Why shouldn't I?" he said. I said, "Well, there's so much to live for!" He said, "Like what?" I said, "Well...are you religious or atheist?" He said, "Religious." I said, "Me too! Are you christian or buddhist?" He said, "Christian." I said, "Me too! Are you catholic or protestant?" He said, "Protestant." I said, "Me too! Are you episcopalian or baptist?" He said, "Baptist!" I said,"Wow! Me too! Are you baptist church of god or baptist church of the lord?" He said, "Baptist church of god!" I said, "Me too! Are you original baptist church of god, or are you reformed baptist church of god?" He said,"Reformed Baptist church of god!" I said, "Me too! Are you reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1879, or reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1915?" He said, "Reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1915!" I said, "Die, heretic scum", and pushed him off. -- Emo Phillips
this lists sounds more like a list of required-reading books than banned books.
Why do you think there are people who would like to see them banned?
I've got a friend who was raised a JW who was turned from the path of rightousness by the simple act of reading Have Spacesuit Will Travel. His parents weren't happy (and have been shunning him for decades). He wasn't even allowed to visit a library, but obtained the book by the simple invention of placing a library in a bus; the Bookmobile.
The book came to him while his parents weren't looking.
. ..you don't need to hype them by saying that they have been banned or censored by "the man."
It's a big world and books may be banned on a local basis. These are books that have been, either successfully or not, the subject of attempts to remove them from shelves of stores/libraries/schools; not merely books that libraries have chosen for one reason or another not to stock ( and I don't know a library worth a damn that wouldn't stock everything available if they had the space/funds. Playboy is not only stocked in many libraries, but has the distinction of the being the most stolen item, the main reason for not stocking it).
Interestingly the list does not include the most banned book in the world: The Bible.
I was wondering how long it would take for another CPU company to make the argument that their CPU is better for reasons other than speed.
It's fat free as well, and vegetarians will be happy to learn that it contains no meat. Its Yin and Yang are in balance as well, so long as you use a quantum flux aligned power cord to the box.
Under certain conditions its phlogiston might be released into the atmosphere, but the smoke that goes along with it is magic, so no worries.
Ahhhhhhhhh, the hand me down computer problem. My boxes are useful because I set them up to be used, for things I found useful, many years ago. Beyond a certain point software becomes unobtainium. Bummer for her that she doesn't have an installed word processor. As a dedicated text machine is that way many an old box fades out more or less gracefully.
I'm afraid I don't have any better answer than the possibility of Linux. You can take away my geek badge, because I've never tried to install Linux on my Macs either, so I'll be useless for advice there as well. Perhaps learning something about that is how my Macs will fade out, more or less gracefully.
Yeah, me too. But you really only get the benefits of streaming over vinyl tubes when you solve the last mile problem. My cable modem doesn't even have the right sort of connector.
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WineX is now Cedega [wikipedia.org]? why was i not informed?
You didn't give them money?
KFG
There are always those few perceptives minds that can see through the illusion to the underlying form.
:)
I think the "crippling" effect of BASIC is nothing more than confusing causality with correlation.
On the other hand, I haven't actually seen your code.
By the way, have you read Danny Dunn and the Homework Machine? If not you might want to give it a look even though it's a "juvvie," you might be particularly suited to appreciating it.
KFG
So I was right and my computer science teacher was wrong?!
Most of them are these days. The inmates have not only taken over the asylum, they've murdered the staff, danced on their graves and erected monuments to themselves.
KFG
There is more than one game.
There is more than one musical instrument.
KFG
Stick a fork in the Republic, it's done.
Ave Caesar!
KFG
Sure you might like to play the song a lot but if a song just went on forever it would get pretty repetitive don't you think?
Exactly my point. You see, there is more than one song. There's even more than one type of song. Heck, I can even. . . invent my own!
An unscripted RTS can be varied in thousands of different ways to give a different experience every time, just as a flute can be played differently.
Myst was dead for me in one evening.
But even with just one song it need not ever get boring, because there is always some available goal within the performance of the song that one has not yet reached. Perfection can be chased, but it cannot be caught.
Lap times are never 0.
Please do not get the impression that because I favor a different sort of game that I am criticising your preference and thus you personally. To each his own. I am merely standing for a point of view that appears to be foreign to the article author. There is a tendency for gamers to think of their prefered sort of game as "gaming."
This is an error.
There are comparitively few really good open ended games on the market though. Publishers don't like them for a very simple reason; they cannot be effectively used to rape your boredom for profit. You buy 'em once and play 'em forever.
KFG
If it's good, I might finish it.
On the whole, if a game can be "finished," I'm not interested in it at all. Give me open ended, skill based games with infinate replaybility every time.
If I could "finish" playing the flute, why would I even start?
KFG
for putting his "i" out.
KFG
Why line-oriented?
Because Djkstra was right. With whatever apologies might be due to the author, his early exposure to BASIC has damaged his mind so beyond repair that he cannot concieve of a good learning language as being anything other than line oriented.
Python and Squeek, each in their own way, are probably the best learning languages ever devised. They are both "real" languages that can be used for "real" work after you learn them, but also serve as good stepping stones to other languages, without instilling you with a line oriented mind.
Programming students don't need to learn line numbers, they need to learn number; mathematics; and logical structure. Line numbers do nothing other than give the illusion that a program has structure, whether it actually has any or not.
KFG
You clearly have never taught anything.
.preparing lectures and course materials takes a fair amount of time and effort.
I have taught.
. .
However, I always had the impression that that's what I got paid for. My students are clients.
KFG
So you're saying you actually read Playboy for the articles?
I like reading.
KFG
This guy is definetely screwed up in the head.
This is why in a free society the military must always be kept under civilian control.
Now if we could only do something about the damned civilians.
KFG
They are all First Amendment restriction issues. Keep your eyes on the prize, hold on.
KFG
. . .someone might have to look back to see what the turn-ons of Miss May 1985 were.
.Playboy. It's where Clarke first published Fountains of Paradise. It isn't all about pictures of women. . .
.although I'm a bit partial to January 1967 and October 1979 myself.
I first learned about the idea of the space elevator in . .
. .
KFG
We'll have to set up some bogs and find some dinasours and wait a while before we can compare.
Might I suggest looking in our various legislative bodies?
KFG
The 'bible-haters' here aren't exactly a majority. . .
There are many haters of particular versions of The Bible.
I was walking across a bridge one day, and I saw a man standing on the edge, about to jump off. So I ran over and said "Stop! don't do it!" "Why shouldn't I?" he said. I said, "Well, there's so much to live for!" He said, "Like what?" I said, "Well...are you religious or atheist?" He said, "Religious." I said, "Me too! Are you christian or buddhist?" He said, "Christian." I said, "Me too! Are you catholic or protestant?" He said, "Protestant." I said, "Me too! Are you episcopalian or baptist?" He said, "Baptist!" I said,"Wow! Me too! Are you baptist church of god or baptist church of the lord?" He said, "Baptist church of god!" I said, "Me too! Are you original baptist church of god, or are you reformed baptist church of god?" He said,"Reformed Baptist church of god!" I said, "Me too! Are you reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1879, or reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1915?" He said, "Reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1915!" I said, "Die, heretic scum", and pushed him off. -- Emo Phillips
KFG
Care to restate your position now Einstein?
Care to take another crack at trying to figure out what my position is?
KFG
this lists sounds more like a list of required-reading books than banned books.
Why do you think there are people who would like to see them banned?
I've got a friend who was raised a JW who was turned from the path of rightousness by the simple act of reading Have Spacesuit Will Travel. His parents weren't happy (and have been shunning him for decades). He wasn't even allowed to visit a library, but obtained the book by the simple invention of placing a library in a bus; the Bookmobile.
The book came to him while his parents weren't looking.
KFG
. . .you don't need to hype them by saying that they have been banned or censored by "the man."
It's a big world and books may be banned on a local basis. These are books that have been, either successfully or not, the subject of attempts to remove them from shelves of stores/libraries/schools; not merely books that libraries have chosen for one reason or another not to stock ( and I don't know a library worth a damn that wouldn't stock everything available if they had the space/funds. Playboy is not only stocked in many libraries, but has the distinction of the being the most stolen item, the main reason for not stocking it).
Interestingly the list does not include the most banned book in the world: The Bible.
KFG
I was wondering how long it would take for another CPU company to make the argument that their CPU is better for reasons other than speed.
It's fat free as well, and vegetarians will be happy to learn that it contains no meat. Its Yin and Yang are in balance as well, so long as you use a quantum flux aligned power cord to the box.
Under certain conditions its phlogiston might be released into the atmosphere, but the smoke that goes along with it is magic, so no worries.
KFG
VIA will pay for the same amount to be generated by wind power. . .
Do they contribute to offset the carbon use of the windpower as well? Generator coils don't wind themselves.
KFG
Ahhhhhhhhh, the hand me down computer problem. My boxes are useful because I set them up to be used, for things I found useful, many years ago. Beyond a certain point software becomes unobtainium. Bummer for her that she doesn't have an installed word processor. As a dedicated text machine is that way many an old box fades out more or less gracefully.
I'm afraid I don't have any better answer than the possibility of Linux. You can take away my geek badge, because I've never tried to install Linux on my Macs either, so I'll be useless for advice there as well. Perhaps learning something about that is how my Macs will fade out, more or less gracefully.
KFG
I don't want to give them all my SSN. It's private, meant for government/tax purposes, but now everyone claims they need it.
This is what happens when the government sees itself as an interested party in all financial transactions.
KFG
i prefer the sounds of vinyl and tubes.
Yeah, me too. But you really only get the benefits of streaming over vinyl tubes when you solve the last mile problem. My cable modem doesn't even have the right sort of connector.
KFG
Could somebody explain wtf this is . . .
.reveal what a privacy nightmare it's going to be?
They want your money.
. .
Big. Really big. Huuuuuge.
KFG