I really think you should talk to a laywer about matters like this and not rely on the advice of people at Slashdot that begin their posts with IANAL....
Now what does that mean? Aren't most Macintoshes personal computers as well? Some of us have Linux or another unix running on an x86 PC. Saying "PC == x86/windows" is not far from "computers and IT == x86/windows".
Beyond that, fast food franchises obliterated a sense of geographical and cultural differences among different regions of the United States. The appeal of fast food -- that people would know just what to expect no matter where they bought their Whoppers or Taco Bell burritos -- was also one of its most devastating consequences.
So what's the problem with that? It's obvious more people want it this way than the old way, so get off your academic high horse.
Joe average consumer doesn't give a damn about your local cultural differences when he's passing through. He wants to eat, and he'd prefer to have something he knows he likes and doesn't accidentally eat something made out of worms or dog.
A rogue perl script would not be able to delete system files, alter global configuration files or screw with other users files. Where as in Win 95/98/ME a VB script can do all of these things.
Win 95, 98, and ME are single user operating systems (though the shell may support multiple "users"), designed with functionality and legacy support in mind first, and security considerations second. They're not on the same level on Unix, nor do they pretend to be. Any amount of system protection that requires specific user interaction to bypass, say when they install new hardware and need to install drivers for it, would be completely unacceptable to a Windows 9x/ME user.
Take Windows 2000, which is by design a protected OS. Scripting doesn't present any more of a security breach than it does for Linux.
I do not consider the ability to "Script the OS" to be an advantage, I consider it an extreme and uneccessary security risk
Better delete your copies of bash, Perl, and Python then.
The only reason you've been hearing about VBScript viruses instead of more Linux based script viruses is because (many) more people use Windows than use Linux. And most of those people are idiots. They'd be just as likely to spread trouble around if they were all running any current Linux distribution.
Are we just tilting at everyone, or is there a DSL provider where the general consensus is that it "doesn't suck"?
Remember, any monkey can set up a -sucks.com domain name. And any large business has problems keeping the left hand aware of what the right hand is doing. That doesn't mean you should necessarily avoid that particular ISP at all costs becuase they're obviously out to screw over their customers as much as possible.
It's a fascinating story of the risks of going with a closed source vendor
Sorry, but no, it's not. All software has bugs. Open Source or Closed Source.
"Whine whine, but if it was open source, they'd have found the bug and fixed it!"
Uh huh. Someone tell me again how long that root compromise was in BIND before it was discovered?
Is someone going to tell me with a straight face that there's a community of developers just salivating to pour over the source code to standardized testing software? The benefits of Open Source become less prevalent as the number of developers with an interest in the code goes down.
I find it interesting that Mr Mundie suggests that there is yet to be a company with a succesful business model that releases most of their products under GPL or similar licence. There seems to me to be numerous companies that have such a business model, two that jump to mind particularly are RedHat and the Apache group.
When Jane Dobson cleans house she simply turns the hose on everything. Why not? Furniture (upholstery included), rugs, draperies, unscratchable floors--all are made of synthetic fabric or waterproof plastic.
Obviously they thought the people of the future would have no desire for a warm environment they'd like to call home. The idea of living in an entirely plastic, safe-and-waterproof home sickens me.
At least they didn't mention silver jumpsuits in the article.
But this line is my favorite:
Discarded paper table "linen" and rayon underwear are bought by chemical factories to be converted into candy.
Every developer that agrees to it is now "tainted" when it comes to working on an open source software project.
Funny, it seems the GPL does the same thing, just s/open/closed/. I guess we should live in fear of RMS storming into our offices and auditing our code?
I guess space junkets by geriatric senators must count as research.
Of course it does. In a few years we'll be overrun with too many Baby Boomer Senior Citizens. We had to investigate to see if launching them into space was a viable plan to save the rest of humanity.
It's either that or suffer through a dark future where there's a worldwide shortage of Fixodent and the AARP manages to lobby Congress into making illegally parking in a handicapped parking space a capital offense.
Anyone know if they have violated the Perl artistic licence or not?
Do you think the Samba team violated the Windows license? Why is it alright for Open Source developers to reimplement Closed Source stuff, but if Closed Source developers reimplement Open Source stuff, it's bad?
So now, almost a year after the P2P bandwagon got started, and only a few weeks after Sun removed any doubts that it was, in fact, a bandwagon by jumping on and promptly falling off
Just think about the possibilities! This could be as big as Push technology and Portal sites!
Although Frist Psot is ususally moderated as troll or offtopic, is is also technically redundant, since it has been posted hundreds of times before. A comment about Microsoft is evil, or Apple is dying, or about free beer is redundant, even if its the frist psot.
Crap. I guess I better stop saying how good Linux is, else I may lose my precious karma to Redundancy.
Does anyone have a program that will exploit the hole and run code to automatically remove the.printer ISAPI mapping, then crash IIS so it will automatically restart with the new, safer configuration?
In 1989, a random of
the journalistic persuasion asked hacker Paul Boutin "What do you
think will be the biggest problem in computing in the 90s?"
Paul's straight-faced response: "There are only seventeen thousand
3-letter acronyms."
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I really think you should talk to a laywer about matters like this and not rely on the advice of people at Slashdot that begin their posts with IANAL....
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..oh wait.. nevermind, carry on.
Now what does that mean? Aren't most Macintoshes personal computers as well? Some of us have Linux or another unix running on an x86 PC. Saying "PC == x86/windows" is not far from "computers and IT == x86/windows".
Think different, man.
Beyond that, fast food franchises obliterated a sense of geographical and cultural differences among different regions of the United States. The appeal of fast food -- that people would know just what to expect no matter where they bought their Whoppers or Taco Bell burritos -- was also one of its most devastating consequences.
So what's the problem with that? It's obvious more people want it this way than the old way, so get off your academic high horse.
Joe average consumer doesn't give a damn about your local cultural differences when he's passing through. He wants to eat, and he'd prefer to have something he knows he likes and doesn't accidentally eat something made out of worms or dog.
A rogue perl script would not be able to delete system files, alter global configuration files or screw with other users files. Where as in Win 95/98/ME a VB script can do all of these things.
Win 95, 98, and ME are single user operating systems (though the shell may support multiple "users"), designed with functionality and legacy support in mind first, and security considerations second. They're not on the same level on Unix, nor do they pretend to be. Any amount of system protection that requires specific user interaction to bypass, say when they install new hardware and need to install drivers for it, would be completely unacceptable to a Windows 9x/ME user.
Take Windows 2000, which is by design a protected OS. Scripting doesn't present any more of a security breach than it does for Linux.
I do not consider the ability to "Script the OS" to be an advantage, I consider it an extreme and uneccessary security risk
Better delete your copies of bash, Perl, and Python then.
The only reason you've been hearing about VBScript viruses instead of more Linux based script viruses is because (many) more people use Windows than use Linux. And most of those people are idiots. They'd be just as likely to spread trouble around if they were all running any current Linux distribution.
Ever hear of someone choosing to switch to windows?
People that tried Linux and decided they like to get things done with their system, not spend all their time mucking around in configuration files?
My grandmother hates Linux. As long as that fact is true, Microsoft owns the marketplace.
that its running on a Mac where ever MS IE crashes every couple of hours I think that speaks volumes for its stability.
;)
I think the fact that you're using a Mac speaks volumes for your stability.
Are we just tilting at everyone, or is there a DSL provider where the general consensus is that it "doesn't suck"?
Remember, any monkey can set up a -sucks.com domain name. And any large business has problems keeping the left hand aware of what the right hand is doing. That doesn't mean you should necessarily avoid that particular ISP at all costs becuase they're obviously out to screw over their customers as much as possible.
It's a fascinating story of the risks of going with a closed source vendor
Sorry, but no, it's not. All software has bugs. Open Source or Closed Source.
"Whine whine, but if it was open source, they'd have found the bug and fixed it!"
Uh huh. Someone tell me again how long that root compromise was in BIND before it was discovered?
Is someone going to tell me with a straight face that there's a community of developers just salivating to pour over the source code to standardized testing software? The benefits of Open Source become less prevalent as the number of developers with an interest in the code goes down.
Any coincidence this happens right after the industry puts the breaks on SDMI?
You must mean brakes.
We break it, they brake it.
I'm sure the readers of my site will love this story.
I find it interesting that Mr Mundie suggests that there is yet to be a company with a succesful business model that releases most of their products under GPL or similar licence. There seems to me to be numerous companies that have such a business model, two that jump to mind particularly are RedHat and the Apache group.
You're missing two key points in the phrase "successful business". First, he said "successful", and according to their financial statement, RedHat is not. Second, he said "business", and I don't think he means not-for-profit corporations like The Apache Software Foundation.
Don't confuse having a business with having a good business model.
You sure it wasn't just an imposter? I didn't see user ID #3872 mentioned anywhere in the article.
When Jane Dobson cleans house she simply turns the hose on everything. Why not? Furniture (upholstery included), rugs, draperies, unscratchable floors--all are made of synthetic fabric or waterproof plastic.
Obviously they thought the people of the future would have no desire for a warm environment they'd like to call home. The idea of living in an entirely plastic, safe-and-waterproof home sickens me.
At least they didn't mention silver jumpsuits in the article.
But this line is my favorite:
Discarded paper table "linen" and rayon underwear are bought by chemical factories to be converted into candy.
Mmmmm... underwear candy.....
What's wrong with TCPoAC?
All your packets will start at Score: 0 and half of them will end up being links to goatse.cx.
Thanks, but no thanks.
Every developer that agrees to it is now "tainted" when it comes to working on an open source software project.
Funny, it seems the GPL does the same thing, just s/open/closed/. I guess we should live in fear of RMS storming into our offices and auditing our code?
I guess space junkets by geriatric senators must count as research.
Of course it does. In a few years we'll be overrun with too many Baby Boomer Senior Citizens. We had to investigate to see if launching them into space was a viable plan to save the rest of humanity.
It's either that or suffer through a dark future where there's a worldwide shortage of Fixodent and the AARP manages to lobby Congress into making illegally parking in a handicapped parking space a capital offense.
This sounds suspiciously like the people that watch The Wizard of Oz timed to music with Pink Floyd's The Wall.
Coincidence? Probably. You can find hidden meaning in anything, if you spend enough time looking for it. This post is no exception.
Not everything is a conspiracy.
$ ping Kyle
Kyle is alive.
$ ping Stan
Stan is alive.
$ ping Kenny
No response from Kenny.
I guess that's when it'd be time to call an ambulance.
Anyone know if they have violated the Perl artistic licence or not?
Do you think the Samba team violated the Windows license? Why is it alright for Open Source developers to reimplement Closed Source stuff, but if Closed Source developers reimplement Open Source stuff, it's bad?
So now, almost a year after the P2P bandwagon got started, and only a few weeks after Sun removed any doubts that it was, in fact, a bandwagon by jumping on and promptly falling off
Just think about the possibilities! This could be as big as Push technology and Portal sites!
Speaking of money, I forgot to pay the rent again! ;)
Pray you don't come home from work one day and find your apartment building is gone. Those damn repo men can do anything these days.
Although Frist Psot is ususally moderated as troll or offtopic, is is also technically redundant, since it has been posted hundreds of times before. A comment about Microsoft is evil, or Apple is dying, or about free beer is redundant, even if its the frist psot.
Crap. I guess I better stop saying how good Linux is, else I may lose my precious karma to Redundancy.
Does anyone have a program that will exploit the hole and run code to automatically remove the .printer ISAPI mapping, then crash IIS so it will automatically restart with the new, safer configuration?
That would be a White Hat job.
quick score card:
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SSH TLA AFU? LRS.
In 1989, a random of the journalistic persuasion asked hacker Paul Boutin "What do you think will be the biggest problem in computing in the 90s?" Paul's straight-faced response: "There are only seventeen thousand 3-letter acronyms."
Ok, so he was only a decade off. BFD.